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rage2
July 12th, 2004, 11:56 AM
Hey guys, hoping someone can recommend a shop to help my buddy out. The civic that was in our beyond booth at VUB is stuck in edmonton... drove through a semi deep puddle, sucked water thru the exhaust (we think) and is hydro'd. Everyone else made it through ok. It's a b18c motor in there...

Any shops up in edmonton willing to help out and get the car back on the road? He called pe tuning and they told him they were busy. He wants to get the thing running ASAP, see how much damage there is, and get it back into calgary.

Thanks.

Insomniac
July 12th, 2004, 12:09 PM
Sucked water through the exhaust? You mean intake??

rage2
July 12th, 2004, 12:14 PM
The intake was really high up, everyone else made it through fine (it wasn't that deep). So we're guessing it sucked water thru the exhaust. There's reversion, so the movement of the air actually goes back and forth both in the intake and exhaust... enough to suck water in backwards if water got where the header connects to the rest of the exhaust.

That's the guess anyways...

silverTEG
July 12th, 2004, 12:16 PM
pro drag :dunno:

limecorrado
July 12th, 2004, 12:20 PM
I have always had good success with Capilano muffler, they are'nt Honda specialist, but they are very good mechanics.Maybe try apex modified i know they have some good techs there too.

Sorry i don't know any honda places, i don't use them.

REDX2NV
July 12th, 2004, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by rage2
He called pe tuning and they told him they were busy.
Thanks.

You should have maybe called a shop that has certified mechanics and wont rip you off.

I suggest Pro drag, Blaine and the crew are good people to deal with.

rage2
July 12th, 2004, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by REDX2NV
You should have maybe called a shop that has certified mechanics and wont rip you off.

I suggest Pro drag, Blaine and the crew are good people to deal with.
Yea, I've seen pro drag's posts on here and they seem to know what's up. Thanks.

v8slayer
July 12th, 2004, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by silverTEG
pro drag :dunno:


PRODRAG
443-1553
They were the ones with the 11 second civic.

Kirill
July 12th, 2004, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by v8slayer
PRODRAG
443-1553
They were the ones with the 11 second civic.

Who's phone number are you trying to give him?

silverTEG
July 12th, 2004, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by v8slayer
PRODRAG
443-1553
They were the ones with the 11 second civic.

i meant try pro drag.

like "why not try pro drag" :dunno:

stealth
July 12th, 2004, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by REDX2NV
You should have maybe called a shop that has certified mechanics and wont rip you off.

I suggest Pro drag, Blaine and the crew are good people to deal with.

did they fuck u over with ur engine greg?

scooby_dooby
July 12th, 2004, 02:26 PM
I would really suggest Wilson's Auto-Tech, They are Honda and Toyota specialists and you can really trust them, I've had my car towed there twice and they've always taken excellent care of me. I gaurantee you won't be dissapointed.

There's a southside and westside location

v8slayer
July 12th, 2004, 02:37 PM
FUCK NEED COFFEE!
PRODRAG 443-3575

1_Bar
July 12th, 2004, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by REDX2NV
You should have maybe called a shop that has certified mechanics and wont rip you off.

I suggest Pro drag, Blaine and the crew are good people to deal with.

Please don't flame here.....were just here to help my buddy outta this mess that this storm left him with. Also, you don't know the whole story on why PET isn't doing the work....they are short staffed.

I reffered them to PET since they do a lot of hondas and might have a B18C perhaps if need be, or other parts laying around.....

1_Bar
July 12th, 2004, 03:21 PM
On a side note: When we removed the intake, there was a lot of water in the pipe, we also checked the TB and a lot more water was there too.....My guess it went through the intake and not the exhaust.....

scooby_dooby
July 12th, 2004, 03:42 PM
PE's mechanic left, i heard they're pretty busy with the dyno for now, so might just stick to that and smaller installs.

zippy's/pro drag is pricy for any labour stuff,

http://www.wilsonsautotech.com/ :bthumbup:

Praylewd powr
July 12th, 2004, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
PE's mechanic left, i heard they're pretty busy with the dyno for now, so might just stick to that and smaller installs.

zippy's/pro drag is pricy for any labour stuff,

http://www.wilsonsautotech.com/ :bthumbup:

did they ever have a mechanic on site?

Blaine B.
July 12th, 2004, 06:05 PM
Verdict is in:
Hydrolock is a bitch.:(
#1 Cylinder has a broken piston and the rod ventilated itself out the back of the block.:mad:

ManHunter
July 12th, 2004, 06:24 PM
ouch!

:blink:

MH

arabian_ryda
July 12th, 2004, 06:35 PM
f*^k that guys gonna need a whole new bottom end. oh man looks like hes gonna be in edmonton for a while.

REDX2NV
July 12th, 2004, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
PE's mechanic left, i heard they're pretty busy with the dyno for now, so might just stick to that and smaller installs.

zippy's/pro drag is pricy for any labour stuff,

http://www.wilsonsautotech.com/ :bthumbup:

PE never had a mechanic, certified or not, if you were ever wondering. Probably the reason why my engine blew.

redbaron303
July 12th, 2004, 07:17 PM
What's the deal w/ your motor Greg? Why'd you take it to them to begin with if they don't have certified techs working on it...?


Also Prodrag/Zippy's I found to be reasonable for labour rates and again their staff more than competent. Those guys are awesome!

sexualbanana
July 12th, 2004, 10:27 PM
You guys have any recommendations on wher eI can get a B20 block from?

scooby_dooby
July 12th, 2004, 10:29 PM
i'd love to know the answer to that question too,

sorry to hear what happened bro, it's like my biggest fear

Insomniac
July 13th, 2004, 07:41 AM
http://www.midtownauto.ca/ ????

Those guys drag race bunch of quick honda's.

VSMSIR
July 13th, 2004, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by REDX2NV
PE never had a mechanic, certified or not, if you were ever wondering. Probably the reason why my engine blew.

That's weird, I could have sworn your car was running for a while after it was built with no problems. I saw pics of your car at stratotech(JDM front end with Mugen kit right?) but it seemed to have disappeared after that, never saw it on the road again.

Did your car blow up on the street or the track???????

redbaron303
July 13th, 2004, 12:43 PM
Maybe go see the Midtown AutoGroups .... THey're just off like 119st or something like that.... 111ave ish?

REDX2NV
July 13th, 2004, 12:45 PM
/edited

redbaron303
July 13th, 2004, 12:51 PM
Should you not have asked if they were certified mechanics.... or is it just a common misconception that they are? (I've only heard good things about them for Honda's until now).

Sad to hear b/c I'm certain you've put too much money into that car for something like this to happen to you. What will your course of action be now that you're out another motor?

ALIAS81
July 13th, 2004, 01:09 PM
midtown is awesome for honda work. Talk to Allan. He is the owner of the place and ive dealt with him from bodywork to mechanical problems. Definately know their hondas.

ALIAS81

Praylewd powr
July 13th, 2004, 01:40 PM
Greg, what were your compression numbers after the build? Were you +/- 5 psi in all cylinders?



D

scooby_dooby
July 13th, 2004, 02:48 PM
jesus man, you have some terrible luck, what are you gonna do now? done with the honda game?

after goin through 2 Type-R motors, and all that money i think I'd be done with honda's for a long long time.

h22civic
July 13th, 2004, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by redbaron303
Should you not have asked if they were certified mechanics.... or is it just a common misconception that they are? (I've only heard good things about them for Honda's until now).

Sad to hear b/c I'm certain you've put too much money into that car for something like this to happen to you. What will your course of action be now that you're out another motor?

It's ON!!;)

Praylewd powr
July 13th, 2004, 04:16 PM
Wow.....ima gonna keep outta these talks!

h22civic
July 13th, 2004, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by Praylewd powr
Wow.....ima gonna keep outta these talks!

c'mon sucka......bring it!!!;)

REDX2NV
July 13th, 2004, 05:34 PM
/edited

scooby_dooby
July 13th, 2004, 06:00 PM
190-200 is very low for a high compression Type-R build isn't it?

My LS was making 215 beforeI put in the cams, I thought new type-R's and gsr's were normally like 280ish. And you're running higher CR than stock so shouldn't it be even higher?

anyways, i bet you're sick of thinking about it, can't wait to see what the enw build can do,

RX_AGENT
July 13th, 2004, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
190-200 is very low for a high compression Type-R build isn't it?

My LS was making 215 beforeI put in the cams, I thought new type-R's and gsr's were normally like 280ish. And you're running higher CR than stock so shouldn't it be even higher?

anyways, i bet you're sick of thinking about it, can't wait to see what the enw build can do,

Man those numbers are pretty fricken high for stock compression, 280?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Numbers don't really mean shit, I've seen compressions readings from 230 to 170 on type-R engines.....as long as they are fairly consistent it's all good.

tech_1
July 13th, 2004, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by REDX2NV
PE never had a mechanic, certified or not, if you were ever wondering. Probably the reason why my engine blew.




RedX, the reason why your engine blew is because you overrevved it at the stratotech. we all saw how hard you drove your car. please do not try to blame other people like you did before with your first engine. you have to take responsiblity for your own fault. if it is true that your 2nd engine never ran right why didn't you bring it to another shop to check the problem? you never took care of your car, so i don't think you should start badmouthing PE.

Praylewd powr
July 13th, 2004, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by tech_1
RedX, the reason why your engine blew is because you overrevved it at the stratotech. we all saw how hard you drove your car. please do not try to blame other people like you did before with your first engine. you have to take responsiblity for your own fault. if it is true that your 2nd engine never ran right why didn't you bring it to another shop to check the problem? you never took care of your car, so i don't think you should start badmouthing PE.



Wow.......next time you better keep the revs on that C5 down to 5 grand for safety sake. Maybe the inconsistent compression indicates a shotty valve adjustment/valve job???:dunno:


:drama: :drama:

RX_AGENT
July 13th, 2004, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by Praylewd powr
Maybe the inconsistent compression indicates a shotty valve adjustment/valve job???:dunno:

Wouldn't you just feel better knowing that your engine was built by someone who put pride in their work?

:drama: :drama:

Also I do not think anyone is entitled to such a comment without knowing ALL the facts.

scooby_dooby
July 13th, 2004, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by RX_AGENT
Man those numbers are pretty fricken high for stock compression, 280?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


according to the helms the stock cylinder compression for a GSR is 270, i'm not making this stuff up man

i would think if the engine is freshly rebuilt, and the static compression is raised, then 200 is very low, 200 is low even with stock CR.

i don't have any experience with these engines though so i'll leave it at that, maybe it wasn't broken in right, who knows

Praylewd powr
July 13th, 2004, 10:08 PM
I have just as much a right to rant about PET as Greg. If you want to know some facts, I will be glad to tell you some from my side. Perhaps I am not the one without the facts??


Can you say D A M A G E C O N T R O L ???

Quick someone put out the fire!!



and once again.......



:drama:

Praylewd powr
July 13th, 2004, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by RX_AGENT
Also I do not think anyone is entitled to such a comment without knowing ALL the facts.


I edited for you.

:cool:

tech_1
July 13th, 2004, 10:46 PM
prove us how can a bad vavle adjustment can differ the compression by THAT much? Do you know how to do a valve adjustment?

tech_1
July 13th, 2004, 11:30 PM
Judging by the looks of REDX2NV's motor, it looked very similar to his first blown ITR motor at Acura...didn't he try to deny the fact that he DIDN'T over revved it??? Then tried to sue Acura for not covering it....but simply could not PROVE with enough sufficient evidence? And then he lost the war??? And NOW, hes trying to pull ANOTHER stunt to prove PE wrong????
So hearing this from a kid like him, HOW can you let him grab your attention simply by saying PE blew up his motor? Acrua fought back and won EASILY with the evidence that they had in their hands and with their great knowledge in automobiles. He simply over revved his previous motor and the was the end of it. So is he trying to start a useless war again???
The power of knowledge will continue to haunt this young mans life UNTIL he proves PE wrong...

redbaron303
July 14th, 2004, 12:48 AM
Perhaps you should tell us who you are tech_1 and what your involvement with Greg's motors has been, along with your involvement with PE Tunning so we can judge whether your opinion of what happened to Greg's motor is biased or not? I would like to know a little something about you as you're new to our community and haven't had much to say (at least on this acct) yet. I think this is a fair question needing an answer as it will help with your case for or against the motor build, quality of labour, owners mistakes, whatever....

As I said, I've only heard good things about the boys from PE and their Honda knowledge. This is the first time I've heard a serious complaint about them, usually it's only prone to "they're to busy for me today" and that's it, but IMO this is a little more of a problem. If AMVIC is stating they are missing key components to being a certified repair shop maybe the public needs to know. Again I have yet to have a bad experience with this group and personally have nothing but praise for them.

Now that this topic is open wide up on the net, it would be nice to see "stories" or "facts" from both sides so we (the consumer) can make our decisions about whose good enough to service our vehicles in the future.

IDTrav
July 14th, 2004, 12:48 AM
P.E Tuning is going to do my big project this winter (B16 swap into '86 carbed lude). I realize there is some difficult work involved (custom mounts, reprogram ECU for F/I, etc.) but from what i've heard about them and making a few visits to the shop, i am quite comfortable having them do it.

REDX2NV
July 14th, 2004, 01:59 AM
Ok, the first motor in my car was burning oil, and lots of it ever since i got it(more so the last two months i had it). Halfway through the oil burning report(yes, i sent it in to acura canada) i mishifted 5th to 2nd. The only damage actually done was the valves themselves, none dropped and i have the original pistons to prove it. It was sketcy becuase i tired to get them to cover the rings, and i pay the top end. Unfortunately, i know i wasnt going to go win that because of the unfinished report, and since the engine was already apart i might aswell do the bottom end again.

On the lapping day on the last session since i was leaving right after, i took it real easy the car because it was on the "cooldown lap", you know after your session you take one last lap to cool down the engine to prevent any damage. It blew on the straight between the last two turns of the last lap(4500rpms 2nd gear,-not even in vtec) and it coasted all the way into the pits, there was 3 cars behind me at the time(close). If i ovvereved it, how come none of my other valves are bent at all? I even compared belts to see if it stretched at all, but it was still in mint shape. A stretched belt is usually associated with a misshift.

Pe's excuse for my car blowing up, is "bad tuning". Geez, i wonder who tuned it :dunno:

But i think i said too much, ill let the officials decide who was at fault.

h22civic
July 14th, 2004, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by redbaron303
Perhaps you should tell us who you are tech_1 and what your involvement with Greg's motors has been, along with your involvement with PE Tunning so we can judge whether your opinion of what happened to Greg's motor is biased or not? I would like to know a little something about you as you're new to our community and haven't had much to say (at least on this acct) yet. I think this is a fair question needing an answer as it will help with your case for or against the motor build, quality of labour, owners mistakes, whatever....

As I said, I've only heard good things about the boys from PE and their Honda knowledge. This is the first time I've heard a serious complaint about them, usually it's only prone to "they're to busy for me today" and that's it, but IMO this is a little more of a problem. If AMVIC is stating they are missing key components to being a certified repair shop maybe the public needs to know. Again I have yet to have a bad experience with this group and personally have nothing but praise for them.

Now that this topic is open wide up on the net, it would be nice to see "stories" or "facts" from both sides so we (the consumer) can make our decisions about whose good enough to service our vehicles in the future.

Exactly....well said:bthumbup:

KAOS41
July 14th, 2004, 08:31 AM
On the lapping day on the last session since i was leaving right after, i took it real easy the car because it was on the "cooldown lap", you know after your session you take one last lap to cool down the engine to prevent any damage. It blew on the straight between the last two turns of the last lap(4500rpms 2nd gear,-not even in vtec) and it coasted all the way into the pits,


I am not getting in the middle of this but everyone seems to be looking for facts...Well it was good that you took a cool down lap but you forgot to tell everyone how many hard laps you put in....You drove that car hard and took as many extra sessions as I offered to you...Even the track owner commented to me on more then one occasions about your aggresive driving technique...I tell ya I felt guilty leaving the track and you were still sitting there I even gave you money out of my pocket to help pay your tow bill ($20 cause that was all I had) But what everyone has to relize that if you are going to play the game you need to accept the outcome of every sitiuation

REDX2NV
July 14th, 2004, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by KAOS41
On the lapping day on the last session since i was leaving right after, i took it real easy the car because it was on the "cooldown lap", you know after your session you take one last lap to cool down the engine to prevent any damage. It blew on the straight between the last two turns of the last lap(4500rpms 2nd gear,-not even in vtec) and it coasted all the way into the pits,


I am not getting in the middle of this but everyone seems to be looking for facts...Well it was good that you took a cool down lap but you forgot to tell everyone how many hard laps you put in....You drove that car hard and took as many extra sessions as I offered to you...Even the track owner commented to me on more then one occasions about your aggresive driving technique...I tell ya I felt guilty leaving the track and you were still sitting there I even gave you money out of my pocket to help pay your tow bill ($20 cause that was all I had) But what everyone has to relize that if you are going to play the game you need to accept the outcome of every sitiuation

Thats agreeable Scott, but i dont feel like i was pusing it harder than anyone else at the track. A motor of that build should take a good day of lapping without a sweat, which was took into consideration when the motor was built. The engine in my car was the newest out of any there(although, properly broken in), and it was proved to be the weakest. The tempature didnt even go to the halfway mark the whole day.

I dont know if anyone realizes this, but im out alot of money, And i cant just fork over money for the new motor. When Pe said they were going to compensate, i was releived. What really chokes me up is when they agreed to pay for half of some parts for the new swap, only to find out after i paid my half i called the distributors(a month later after they supposedly ordered) to see if the order went through and they didnt even make a payment on it. I even had to pay a restocking fee to get the rest of my deposit back, even though the part didnt even leave the distributor.

h22civic
July 14th, 2004, 10:17 AM
I think the real issue here is

"Should a tuner shop that does not have licenced mechanics
be doing complex engine rebuilds and swaps? And if they
are doing it should they not be responsible for problems
or failures resulting from their work?"

:dunno:

Insomniac
July 14th, 2004, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by h22civic
I think the real issue here is

"Should a tuner shop that does not have licenced mechanics
be doing complex engine rebuilds and swaps? And if they
are doing it should they not be responsible for problems
or failures resulting from their work?"

:dunno:

But that implies the failure was caused by their work, which has not been proven.

redbaron303
July 14th, 2004, 11:45 AM
Whose to say the resulting fail isn't a result of them not having a certified tech on site while construction of said motor was being done? Isn't that proof enough that whomever worked on the engine could have done a poor job as a result of them not being a certified mechanic?

According to what AMVIC says through the wire... I'd see a large lawsuit coming and being won b/c certain standard criteria was not met... I hope the matter is solved in a calm and professional manner though and it doesn't go south as it seemingly is.

And to H22civic's Q I don't think a shop w/ out certified technicians, mechanics, etc should be doing complicated swaps, rebuilds, etc on ANYTHING... there is a whole swack of liability that comes with it and frankly how do I know the person who is working on my car has the skills to have my project running the way I want if they aren't certified? I know this isn't always the case but it's a nice reminder that the person working on the car when certified should be competent to do any work required.

h22civic
July 14th, 2004, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by redbaron303
Whose to say the resulting fail isn't a result of them not having a certified tech on site while construction of said motor was being done? Isn't that proof enough that whomever worked on the engine could have done a poor job as a result of them not being a certified mechanic?

According to what AMVIC says through the wire... I'd see a large lawsuit coming and being won b/c certain standard criteria was not met... I hope the matter is solved in a calm and professional manner though and it doesn't go south as it seemingly is.

And to H22civic's Q I don't think a shop w/ out certified technicians, mechanics, etc should be doing complicated swaps, rebuilds, etc on ANYTHING... there is a whole swack of liability that comes with it and frankly how do I know the person who is working on my car has the skills to have my project running the way I want if they aren't certified? I know this isn't always the case but it's a nice reminder that the person working on the car when certified should be competent to do any work required.

:bthumbup:

Insomniac
July 14th, 2004, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by redbaron303
Whose to say the resulting fail isn't a result of them not having a certified tech on site while construction of said motor was being done? Isn't that proof enough that whomever worked on the engine could have done a poor job as a result of them not being a certified mechanic?



Not at all. Just because they don't have a certified mechanic doesn't mean they built the motor wrong. BTW, who's building the motor for your next car, and did you see his licence#?

scooby_dooby
July 14th, 2004, 12:58 PM
for the record PE turned down my cam install because they did not have a certified mechanic,

h22civic
July 14th, 2004, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Insomniac
Not at all. Just because they don't have a certified mechanic doesn't mean they built the motor wrong. BTW, who's building the motor for your next car, and did you see his licence#?

But it sure puts a cloud of doubt on anything they do now doesn't it. I would rather see a frame on the wall that shows the installer has put in the hours to gain the knowledge to do the job right....not from just reading how-to tech articles in a magazine.

h22civic
July 14th, 2004, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
for the record PE turned down my cam install because they did not have a certified mechanic,

I am sure they won't be doing many more mechanical mods until this saga is resolved.

Praylewd powr
July 14th, 2004, 03:24 PM
I would love to chime in here......but I don't want to get in too deep. All I can say is that I am going the proper route in terms of handling my complaint with PET. I may consider other options available but until then, I will be following this thread very closely.
I was not compensated either in my case and was VERY dissapointed with their lack of regard for my situation. They agreed that the fuel tuning destroyed my engine....agreed that some of the work done there was illegal....but were unwilling to do anything about the problem caused by their lack of understanding. I think if I were in their shoes back then, I would do whatever it took to rectify the problem........if you don't satisfy your customer base, you will not last long in this business.

Of course PET turned down your cam install. They are liscensed to "specialty repair/tuning" only and such work should not include any "mechanical repairs" as per their AMVIC liscence. Why would they risk customer backlash if they did mechanical repairs illegally????

:lol:


I would really love to hear what the PET crew has to say in response to this apparent customer dissatisfaction.

redbaron303
July 14th, 2004, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Insomniac
Not at all. Just because they don't have a certified mechanic doesn't mean they built the motor wrong. BTW, who's building the motor for your next car, and did you see his licence#?


I knew someone would mention this with me commenting here. I'm involved with the install and build process and don't feel like paying "shop" fees to cobuild my motor. The setup that I've got is reasonable and I am prepared to take the chance that it may not work out. I won't be placing blame on my builder if something goes wrong... we'll pull the engine apart, diagnos it, and see if we can come to a mutual understanding as to what it's going to cost me to put it back together... we all take our own risks but then again my engine won't be costing me NEARLY as much as Greg's has cost him so I'm not taking a HUGE risk. I would also assume that anyone getting work done by an unlicensed backyard mechanic/shop "mechanic" would assume that things can go wrong. If you make the conscious choice to have your vehicle worked on by someone who isn't licensed then maybe you should accept the fact/idea that things can go wrong and its your fault for not having the vehicle worked on by a professional?! I think it's a little bit of a different story if you're having work done on your vehicle at a shop and it's been made evident that they "have" a certified mechanic/tech working on your car and it turns out a blatant lie, that I would be pissed off with.... Then again, buyer beware right?

Not every unlicensed person is incapable of working on cars properlly, certified or not right? It's more of an assurance thing and granted most people like that little bit of assurance that the person working on their car is deemed competent by more than word of mouth.

Every now and then I think there is the catch 22 of wanting a certified tech work on your car or not... Can you trust your unlicensed friend in his garage, but can you trust joe blow w/ certification in their facility? There is lots that needs to be considered, but for the most part if I'm paying someone for work to be done on my car I want them to be able to live up to fixing it when a problem results because of their shody work (general statement, not relating to current situation). I don't want to be left on the hook for someone else major fuck up when it's costing me a fortune in parts, motors, whatever.

REDX2NV
July 16th, 2004, 06:09 PM
/edited

BLK_LBL
July 18th, 2004, 05:27 PM
Some of you guys really need to keep your mouths shut if you dont know all the facts.... and most of you dont know shit about redx's situation.

There are TWO people that own/operate PEtuning. Out of these two people, zero are certified mechanics.

maybe they "know-their-hondas" but how can they charge someone ten grand to build up a super honda engine, and then not stand by their work?

I've cruised around with greg a lot in that car. i can honestly say it was broken in 100% properly. as tempting as it was to bag it when it was all put together, he didnt.

shortly after it was broken in, I recall a race between a bone stock RSX and redx's "Built" ITR... out of 3 or 4 races, the RSX pulled on the ITR every race.
I was THERE.


some of you are saying "well why didnt u check out if they were certified before u got the work done".... uhh usualy when you walk into a shop like that with a DYNO and whatnot, u just assume the guys are certified mechanics. who the fuck owns and operates a shop like that without certification?

point of the story is, P.E.Tuning is and was only certified to do oil changes, and things like baseline runs on their chassis dyno. Any business that is operating without the required certification is clearly going to have to be held accountable for the work they have performed, which they were not supposed to be doing in the first place.

Bottom line:
-That engine sucked donkey balls.
-A shop is doing work they are not supposed to be doing.
-Payback's a Bitch.

redbaron303
July 18th, 2004, 05:35 PM
Regardless, assumptions should not be made when playing with that MUCH money or type of work.... KNOW and if you don't , research, answers to questions like "are they certified" "should they be doing my work?" and shit like that.... ASSUMING is not an excuse IMO, but neither is a shop not informing an individual that they are doing work they're not supposed to do an excuse.... I think two parties are at fault for the choices they both made.... but I guess we'll see what "the law" says in the end and hopefully everything works out in a somewhat alright situation....

Praylewd powr
July 18th, 2004, 06:37 PM
This forum just keeps getting more and more interesting!:eek:

Even if they only stick to oil changes, dyno runs, and hondata tuning.....I don't think they will maintain the slight level of success that they may have had until now.

If you wanna screw over your customers, you are going to pay for it in the end.

Blaine B.
July 19th, 2004, 12:17 AM
I posted this thread a long time ago about liscenced shops. (http://forums.780tuners.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8443&highlight=AMVIC)

E-Z Motorsports
July 19th, 2004, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by Pro Drag
I posted this thread a long time ago about liscenced shops. (http://forums.780tuners.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8443&highlight=AMVIC)


We are AMVIC Licensed



The Team ;)

Bucktown
July 20th, 2004, 09:11 AM
haha blaine this sound familiar to you? i wonder how much redx's ashtrays cost him :) trust the midas touch! (totally joking)

Praylewd powr
July 20th, 2004, 11:00 AM
Shit, don't even talk about Midas......that thread could go on for pages and pages.

REDX2NV
July 20th, 2004, 12:55 PM
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Xx D-MAN xX
July 20th, 2004, 01:32 PM
I'm not going to comment on the current situation that is being discussed here but all I have to say is that it's been very interesting reading.

BLK_LBL
July 20th, 2004, 03:49 PM
^ yeah... this is proof that speed costs

Blaine B.
July 20th, 2004, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by REDX2NV
At least they covered their work wehn someones engine blew.

Tell that to Bucktown.

Bucktown
July 20th, 2004, 10:17 PM
ya, tell that to me!

i just wish that shops that arent able to do the work you want done COMPETENTLY would just own up to it, and say "sorry, we dont have the knowledge/experience to do that" . if something does fuck up, and its obviously their fault, they should own up to it. then situations like this wouldnt happen. sorry to hear about your ride, ive sure been there before. it fuckin suks.....

stealth
July 20th, 2004, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by Bucktown
ya, tell that to me!

i just wish that shops that arent able to do the work you want done COMPETENTLY would just own up to it, and say "sorry, we dont have the knowledge/experience to do that" . if something does fuck up, and its obviously their fault, they should own up to it. then situations like this wouldnt happen. sorry to hear about your ride, ive sure been there before. it fuckin suks.....

yes u have...

REDX2NV
July 21st, 2004, 02:50 AM
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Bucktown
July 21st, 2004, 12:41 PM
i had to buy a new longblock, or have it re-sleeved.....problem was that i had already had it built once, and then i had to do it again....doing things twice sucks

REDX2NV
July 21st, 2004, 03:14 PM
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Bucktown
July 21st, 2004, 05:23 PM
that steve fucker at midas.....good ol deiter refered me to him when i bought all my parts...said i could get a good job done for cheap....well, it was cheap, but you get what you pay for i guess.

scooby_dooby
July 21st, 2004, 05:31 PM
in PE's defense, i'm sure that alot of the reason you decided to go with them was not just their knowledge of Honda's, but their prices. Right?

Zippy's total to install my cams was double what PE was gonna do them for, no joke. double, literally.

Nothing bad against Zippy's because 95% of shops in e-town would have charged the same thing, and i ended up goin to zippy's, but the fact is what takes most shops 6hours PE can do in 3,

And they're really good guys, and they're not out to rip anyone off, i mean hanson spent over 3 hours with me tuning my car, and in the end he only charged me for an hour,

you had a shitty experience, and I can just imagine how pissed you must be, but there's 2 sides to every story and they probably have their reasons for deciding not to warantee it.

And I also think you'd have a hard time getting ANY shop to warentee any engine used for racing, they will always blame the driver and try and get out of the warrentee. And the fact you offered to pay half teh costs I think show that you know inside that some of the fault lies with you.

anyways i just thought someone should stick up for them, cause their good guys with a passion for cars, and i'm sure they never intended to screw you or anyone over.

REDX2NV
July 21st, 2004, 06:12 PM
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