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    Just wondering if there are any people on this forum that are following an all vegetable diet (vegetarian) or vegan diet? Do you find it difficult?

    Been doing a bit of research on the health benefits of a vegan/vegetable diet vs eating meat/milk. I am planning on trying to cut out meat or cut down my meat intake to around once/twice a month for the new year. I mostly want to do it to try and lose some weight and also just see if I notice any differences.

    Doing it more or less as a challenge to myself. I will never be one of those crazy vegan people lol.

    Anyone else doing something like this?

    Flame on!!

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    My wife tried... she did the juicing thing... it lasted like 3-4 weeks. It came following watching a documentary of some Aussie guy who had health issues, so he switched to juicing and now takes like no meds, and he helped a 400+lbs American trucker do the same, and they both lost a ton of weight. Part of the reasoning for juicing vs just eating the veggies is the sheer volume of veggies you'd need to eat, as well as reducing the fibre intake. You'd still need nuts and beans for protein..

    Personally I just like meat too much to do that. In my experience, I just need to get my activity level up to match my intake, I work a desk job 90% of the time, and I haven't forced myself yet to make time to exercise. I had a part job job at a grocery store there for a bit... getting paid min wage to walk for 4 hours, and pack around boxes... it was like getting paid to work out 3-4 times a week. In the 3 months I worked there I had lost about 20-25lbs with no other changes in my life.

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    Ive have cut out meat/dairy for about a year now. Not very hard although I do miss eating meat sometimes. If you are working out as well I would suggest you find a good protein powder (I use Leanfit Complete Green protein) as you will have a hard time getting enough protein without meat/chicken/dairy. Are you planning on cutting out eggs? I still eat those and they are my main source of protein in mornings. I have lost a fair bit of weight at first but seem pretty stable at a healthy weight now.

    Vegan is very hard and expensive as you will need suplements. If going vegan I would suggest seeing a proper nutritionist.

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    Never done it or really considered doing it since I love meat and dairy so much.

    I could see it helping to lose weight, generally most of your vegan foods would be less calorie dense so you should be able to eat more and feel fuller while intake the same or less calories. Lots of your nuts are pretty calorie dense though.
    One of the more difficult aspects of a vegan diet is that you need to put some thought into making sure you get enough protein, however I think there are some protein dense vegan foods, just something to think about.

    I think vegan foods are pretty lacking in some nutrients though, might want to look into that and supplement, I think iron is a big one.

    I would use an app like myfitnesspal to track your macro nutrients and calories to get a feel for how much and what types of foods you should be eating. This also applies to a non vegan diet as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverNeonRacer View Post
    My wife tried... she did the juicing thing... it lasted like 3-4 weeks. It came following watching a documentary of some Aussie guy who had health issues, so he switched to juicing and now takes like no meds, and he helped a 400+lbs American trucker do the same, and they both lost a ton of weight. Part of the reasoning for juicing vs just eating the veggies is the sheer volume of veggies you'd need to eat, as well as reducing the fibre intake. You'd still need nuts and beans for protein..

    Personally I just like meat too much to do that. In my experience, I just need to get my activity level up to match my intake, I work a desk job 90% of the time, and I haven't forced myself yet to make time to exercise. I had a part job job at a grocery store there for a bit... getting paid min wage to walk for 4 hours, and pack around boxes... it was like getting paid to work out 3-4 times a week. In the 3 months I worked there I had lost about 20-25lbs with no other changes in my life.
    Juicing is definitely one that I hear about lots but it is not something that I would enjoy. I think the only way to make this work is to do something that you enjoy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Refresh View Post
    Ive have cut out meat/dairy for about a year now. Not very hard although I do miss eating meat sometimes. If you are working out as well I would suggest you find a good protein powder (I use Leanfit Complete Green protein) as you will have a hard time getting enough protein without meat/chicken/dairy. Are you planning on cutting out eggs? I still eat those and they are my main source of protein in mornings. I have lost a fair bit of weight at first but seem pretty stable at a healthy weight now.

    Vegan is very hard and expensive as you will need suplements. If going vegan I would suggest seeing a proper nutritionist.
    I think I will try and cut out eggs, my GF wants to completely cut out meat and she doesn't eat eggs or milk so our meals at home will be vegan.

    With protein, our plan is to cook with lots of beans and lentils. Most of the food we cook now we add in beans and lentils so we will just be cutting out the meat portion. I normally have cereal with milk in the morning so I may just switch to a apple and toast with nut butter or something.

    I am going to try my best, but I am not trying to be 100% meat free or a weirdo that tries to convert everyone to vegan lol. I just want to do my best to cut down my meat intake. I have been reading up a bunch of the China study and the information behind that.

    How do you find eating out? Can you usually find lots of options for food?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dieseldakota View Post
    Never done it or really considered doing it since I love meat and dairy so much.

    I could see it helping to lose weight, generally most of your vegan foods would be less calorie dense so you should be able to eat more and feel fuller while intake the same or less calories. Lots of your nuts are pretty calorie dense though.
    One of the more difficult aspects of a vegan diet is that you need to put some thought into making sure you get enough protein, however I think there are some protein dense vegan foods, just something to think about.

    I think vegan foods are pretty lacking in some nutrients though, might want to look into that and supplement, I think iron is a big one.

    I would use an app like myfitnesspal to track your macro nutrients and calories to get a feel for how much and what types of foods you should be eating. This also applies to a non vegan diet as well.
    See, I always thought that I would never be able to cut out meat. I love meat as well. But in the last few years I have really started to try different food from other cultures, I have always started to travel more and be open to different food.

    It is amazing how in many other countries they do not eat meat. I was in Thailand and ate many dishes that had no meat at all. I have also been eating lots of Indian food that has no meat. It is all about spices, if you make food with lots of spices and flavor, it is very easy to leave meat out and never feel as if the food is missing meat.

    This is my main goal out of this, I want to learn to become a better cook where I can cook flavorful meals and not feel the need to put meat into it. And I think it is possible to do this without missing too many nutrients. A lot of people are becoming vegan and they are just buying crap. They go to the store and buy disgusting veggie burgers and just stuff that is not good for you and full of crap.

    I want to eat whole foods and flavorful foods. It is definitely going to be an interesting transition but I am actually looking forward to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MZSPD View Post

    How do you find eating out? Can you usually find lots of options for food?
    Not going out to eat nearly as much as I used to but when I do I find a lot of the ethnic resturants have a fair bit of vegeterian options. you can also check out some of the vegan ones in town like Noorish, cafe Mosaic, Loma house etc. Definietly few options out there.

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    I looked at the china study spring of 2015 (That's when my wife wanted to cut all meat protein).. it's full of biased shit. They went in there looking for specific results. It's over a year ago that I read it, but they left out key environmental factors like Joe Factory worker spends his day breathing in carcinogens as a factor towards his lung cancer vs he ate meat.

    Here's some light reading for you:

    http://www.clydefitchreport.com/2012...-for-veganism/
    http://chriskresser.com/the-nitrate-...-to-fear-bacon
    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-ge...better-for-you
    http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html
    http://www.westonaprice.org/health-t...na-study-myth/
    http://www.westonaprice.org/our-blog...revent-cancer/

    http://chriskresser.com/rest-in-peace-china-study has this quote:
    "P.S. You might also want to check out this debate between T. Colin
    Campbell and Loren Cordain on human protein requirements. Notice that
    Cordain’s articles contain 164 citations of research studies. How many
    references do Campbell’s articles contain? Zero. And Campbell’s typical
    “I’m more educated than the other guy” won’t fly here. Dr. Cordain has
    some serious chops."
    I was sent a number of the links by a guy on a Paleo diet... dude ate Butter and cheese for lunch, and had a BMI below 20.

    *edit, not saying you shouldn't go veggie if that's the way you want to go, just don't do it because of the China Study.
    Last edited by SilverNeonRacer; December 14th, 2016 at 02:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Refresh View Post
    Not going out to eat nearly as much as I used to but when I do I find a lot of the ethnic resturants have a fair bit of vegeterian options. you can also check out some of the vegan ones in town like Noorish, cafe Mosaic, Loma house etc. Definietly few options out there.
    Thanks I will have to check out those places. If you like east indian food, check out Narayannis. They have a vegan night and they also just serve a buffet every night and most of it is meat free.

    Quote Originally Posted by SilverNeonRacer View Post
    I looked at the china study spring of 2015 (That's when my wife wanted to cut all meat protein).. it's full of biased shit. They went in there looking for specific results. It's over a year ago that I read it, but they left out key environmental factors like Joe Factory worker spends his day breathing in carcinogens as a factor towards his lung cancer vs he ate meat.

    Here's some light reading for you:

    http://www.clydefitchreport.com/2012...-for-veganism/
    http://chriskresser.com/the-nitrate-...-to-fear-bacon
    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-ge...better-for-you
    http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html
    http://www.westonaprice.org/health-t...na-study-myth/
    http://www.westonaprice.org/our-blog...revent-cancer/

    http://chriskresser.com/rest-in-peace-china-study has this quote:

    I was sent a number of the links by a guy on a Paleo diet... dude ate Butter and cheese for lunch, and had a BMI below 20.

    *edit, not saying you shouldn't go veggie if that's the way you want to go, just don't do it because of the China Study.

    Awesome, thanks for the links, I am going to check them out. I think my main goal of this is to try and cut out as much meat as possible.

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    If you're into it for the moral reasons, then feel free to sacrifice your health for the principle of the matter.

    If you did any research on the health benefits, or health negatives in this case, I'm guessing you'd be turned off the idea before posting this. Animal derived B12 deficiency is very real, and the brain damage it gives you is irreversible.

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