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    Post Did you get a traffic ticket? Read this first...

    How-To: Attempt to get your ticket dismissed before court

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    Originally posted by TrevorK
    This writeup was made by the user ReasonOne. I think it's very useful information.

    If you have any corrections, please post in this thread.

    And I'd like to say thanks - this is the type of content we need to help people out!



    Here's what I did:

    After getting the ticket, I went down to the Rocky Mountain Plaza office in Calgary. I got in a lineup to see a teller. When you see the teller you can do one of three things:

    -Plead guilty and pay the ticket/fine,
    -Plead innocent and set a court date beyond the appearance date noted on the ticket, or
    -Request to speak to either a Crown Prosecutor or a Justice of the Peace.

    The tellers will not tolerate ANY abuse. Usually there is at least one security guard, one bailiff and one police officer within 20 yards of you and they WILL escort you out and deal with you appropriately if there are any problems (don't laugh, I've seen it happen).

    You'll have to take a seat and wait to be called if you're going to see a Crown or a JP. If you can't stay long enough to wait, you can ask the teller the hours that they work and they should give you a ballpark timeframe for the next week or so (from what I was told at the time, Crown Prosecutors at that office tend to work before noon). Sometimes if you do stay and wait it can take as little as 20 minutes and as long as 3 hours depending on how many people are waiting with you.

    If you are to appear before either one of these people, dress well (does not have to be a suit) and have a neat appearance. If you are wearing a hat, then take it off before you go in. Lawyers that are standing nearby always make a comment about this. It's apparently considered the height of bad manners and it seems disrespectful to them. Be clear and concise with speaking with them. If you can take any pictures of the site that occured that may help you explain something to them (they MUST be directly relevant to your situation at hand) , I would advise you to bring it in. If you can make brief notes on what you want to say before you get in, you save yourself the trouble of panicking and forgetting what you originally wanted to say.

    If you speak to a Crown or a JP this gives you the opportunity to contest your charges before you actually have to appear in court. If your reasoning is sound and your argument logical, they MAY reduce or on occasion eliminate/toss your charge. This could save you the trouble of appearing in court.


    You must also be prepared for the possibility that you'll get laughed at if they don't buy your explanation or story, and they will just tell you to appear on your predetermined court date. At this point it is also possible to do one of two things:

    -Request more time to prepare for the court date if needed (if there is no agreement to a fine/charge)
    -Request more time to come up with funds to pay for a fine/charge (if there is an agreement to a fine/charge; if any)

    One more thing I forgot to add is that if you go too early after the time you received your ticket, it may not be entered into their database yet. Your best bet is to go down within 2 weeks of your court appearance.
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    Default Did you get a speeding ticket?

    Did you get a speeding ticket?

    Originally posted by dtjohnst
    This comes up way too often, so I thought I'd make a blanket thread for it to try and cut down on them. If you got caught speeding and you can't think of any specifics as to why you don't deserve the ticket, here's what you do.

    Dress up nice, go to the courthouse on the date listed on your ticket, speak to the crown and plead whatever you want to plead. Throw yourself on the mercy of the court and see what they say. It may not be worth your time to go, but that's your ONLY choice.

    There's no magic words you can use to get out of it. There's no magic clause that protects you. If it was late, tough. If you disagree with the limit, tough. If you think it's unfair because there were no other cars on the road, tough. The laws don't vary based on your opinions. You were speeding, you were caught, you can spend some time to hope for mercy or you can suck it up and pay. No one here will be able to tell you anything more than that.

    Are you thinking of hiring a lawyer? You can try. For a speeding ticket it will probably be a waste of money. They'll cost more than the ticket is.

    Thinking about POINTTS and TICKETS? They aren't lawyers. They are retired police for the most part. They generally can't get a ticket tossed for no reason either. But they often have some form of relationship with the crown and can maybe get a reduction.

    Is there something written incorrectly on your ticket? Name, address, date, speed, whatever? You may or may not be able to get out of your ticket. This is the only time I might recommend calling POINTTS or TICKETS since they'll have better (and likely more current) court experience than I do in Alberta and will know how the crown usually views your specific errors. But until we get some EPS or RCMP officers on the forums, they're probably you're best option.

    If there's something unique in your case: you don't think you were speeding, you think the officer tagged a different car, he said or treated you in a strange manner, etc, feel free to start up a thread and ask, but be sure to include those specifics.

    The reason most threads on "I got a ticket I was dumb what do I do?" don't get a large response is because there is really no answer. There is no special advice other than "go try if you want, but don't expect much", and many guys feel if you're able to afford a car, gas, and insurance, and you feel you can risk speeding, than you can afford the tickets that come with it.

    Good luck.
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    Default Did you get an Exhaust Ticket?

    I am constantly getting questions about this… Here is Alberta Law on the subject:

    ALBERTA REGULATION 322/2002

    Traffic Safety Act

    VEHICLE EQUIPMENT REGULATION


    Mufflers

    61(1) A motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine must have an exhaust muffler that is cooling and expelling the exhaust gases from the engine without excessive noise and without producing flames or sparks.

    (2) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine if the exhaust outlet of the muffler has been widened.

    (3) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine if a device is attached to the exhaust system or the muffler that increases the noise made by the expulsion of gases from the engine or allows a flame to be ignited from the exhaust system.

    (4) This section applies to a power bicycle that is propelled by an internal combustion engine.
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    Default Did you get an Exhaust Ticket?

    The above being said, here is a post by a local member that may help you out in court endeavors…

    EXHAUST size

    Originally posted by 4kruzn
    Mufflers

    61(1) A motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine must have an exhaust muffler that is cooling and expelling the exhaust gases from the engine without excessive noise and without producing flames or sparks.

    (2) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine if the exhaust outlet of the muffler has been widened.

    (3) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine if a device is attached to the exhaust system or the muffler that increases the noise made by the expulsion of gases from the engine or allows a flame to be ignited from the exhaust system.

    (4) This section applies to a power bicycle that is propelled by an internal combustion engine.




    i can't say it enough. take this picture and pictures of yours. label the parts of yours and show the court that you "muffler" is not enlarged in any way. show them that just because your tail pipe is 1" long you should not be fined because not all exhaust systems are the same. i will say it a million times there is NO law saying how large your exhaust can be. if it does the things posted above and the in let and outlet of the actuall muffler are the same size it IS legal. do you home work on the net. and go fight it.

    oh and a video with your car with the exhaust off and the exhaust on would be a great way to show the court how your exhaust acctually does do what the regs ask it to do.
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    Default Window Tinting

    Vehicle Equipment Regs:
    69(1) A person shall not install, replace or cover the window glazing in a windshield or in a left or right side window of a motor vehicle that is beside or forward of the driver with a transparent, translucent or opaque material.


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    In other words ZERO tint on the windshield or the side windows of the front seats....

    as far as the rear windows it can be as dark as you want it (Providing you have proper rearview mirrors)

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    (2) A person shall not install, replace or cover the rear window glazing in a motor vehicle with a transparent, translucent or opaque material unless the motor vehicle has outside rear view mirrors on both the left and right that comply with section 72(2).
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    Originally posted by petcanuck
    The above subject is a company name, not an instruction, although i am of the opinion that if possible you should fight literally every ticket you get, politely, carefully, and preferably in discussion with a crown prosecutor instead of a court appearance. Especially if you are a little poor or unable to pay, at least getting a financial reduction, additional time to pay etc is helpful.

    This company FIGHT THAT TICKET has been of great help to me on a couple of tickets that i should never have been issued and were thus tossed, as well as one that i did indeed deserve, which was reduced to a sane amount that would not cause me undue hardship to pay and learn from.

    The Ex officers who work there, have always been patient and understanding, and i have referred people to them before with positive feedback... They are not confrontational, they encourage you to own your responsibility where appropriate, and they seem to always work hard and have good working relationships to ensure they get the best results for you.

    Also they cover everything from calgary area to fort mac area and are on a first name basis with prosecutors in each region...

    I was just impressed with his candor, professional attitude, and reasonable rates, and thought i would pass this along for the benefit of everyone.

    It is in no way "screwing the system" or disrespecting anyone to enlist the aid of someone more experienced in dealing with it to look out for your interests and help you navigate it the best way possible. This is why innocent people need lawyers too.

    Always, no matter the situation, be aware of your basic rights, the limitations of the law over you, and what your responsibilities are.

    A responsible, informed citizen, is not a submissive, sheep citizen.

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    Default How Red Light / Speed on Green Cameras Work

    Originally posted by Jarus187



    Red light cameras use wires buried in the pavement to sense when cars enter the intersection.

    With a software change, many of these systems can be updated to do a time-distance calculation between the buried sensors, thereby indicating vehicle speed.

    If a violation is detected, the cameras already in place for red-light monitoring will picture the accused speeder. And the ticket will be issued by the same system in place for red-light violations. Adding this speed-on-green feature brings automated speed enforcement on the cheap.


    Hope that helps.
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    Originally posted by 4kruzn
    here is my two cents for those with tickets. dont be emotional but make notes today... everything you can remember. do not elaborate. ....just the facts... this will help you huge. when your in court and the judge asks the officer what he saw and he cant point you out the judge will have to throw it out on lack of evidence. but remember right up notes now while its fresh in your mind. then the story wont change in the next two months while waiting for your court date. clear and precise facts is what will get the "innocent" out of there fines...
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    Did you receive a notice of conviction you didn't deserve?

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