| flatblack |
k i have a 1990 honda civic hatch
b16 swap
i bought a turbo out of a ford thunderbird
questions:
will it work? and what kind of mods am i looking at?
where can i get the manifold for it?
dose it need to be intercooled?
what kind of tuning is needed? (fuel, ect.)
your help is appreciated! THANX! |
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| flatblack |
k i have a 1990 honda civic hatch
b16 swap
i bought a turbo out of a ford thunderbird
questions:
will it work? and what kind of mods am i looking at?
where can i get the manifold for it?
dose it need to be intercooled?
what kind of tuning is needed? (fuel, ect.)
your help is appreciated! THANX! |
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| Anonymoose |
Ummm, if you need to ask these questions don't do it. Go buy Maximum Boost by Corky Bell and that should atleast give you something to go on. From there you may be able to put together a somewhat competent turbo system.
I believe the turbo out of the Thunderbird is a T3 (I could be wrong) which is a fairly small turbo. It might work for your application if you're not shooting for the stars. At the very least you'll probably want to have the turbo rebuilt.
As for your other questions, read the book and come back, otherwise theres a good chance you'll be rebuilding your engine in no time. |
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| Spoolin MX6 |
well, that is a big turbo for the motor you have, it flows about 350 cfm, I think its an ihi rhb5 center housing if I am correct. It could work, but you will have alot of turbo lag. turbo manifold, your best bet is to just get a log type manifold, and have the flange you need put on that manifold. It doesn't need to be intercooled if you are running low (5ish psi) boost, but if you want to go higher, I would recommend it. You will need a way of getting more fuel into your car, perhaps something like the safc with larger injectors. You will need to retard your timing, and more than likely run colder plugs gapped differently. you will need oil feed, and return lines, as well as coolant feed, and return lines. and if you want control over the turbo a boost controller, you will also need either a bypass valve, or a blow off valve if you have a standard transmission, to prevent compressor surge; probably need an upgraded clutch, and various other things (gauges etc) just little things.
If you have more questions, just ask, hope this helps |
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| Spoolin MX6 |
I have answered this in the General auto chat forum, but I will post more here. I think it is a pretty large turbo for the size of motor, it is a t3 (ihi rhb5) and flows somewhere in the area of 350 cfm, if he can spool that turbo there will be alot of lag.
I also agree with having the turbo rebuilt, and while you are at it get the wheels bead blasted, and rebalanced, that way it should last you 100 000 miles, or so. |
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| Anonymoose |
| Ah, I thought it was Garrett. Shows what I know. |
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| Keith303 |
it wont work propperly without modding certain engine components.
any1 know what psi a thunderbird turbo can reach |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by Spoolin MX6
well, that is a big turbo for the motor you have, it flows about 350 cfm, I think its an ihi rhb5 center housing if I am correct. It could work, but you will have alot of turbo lag. turbo manifold, your best bet is to just get a log type manifold, and have the flange you need put on that manifold. It doesn't need to be intercooled if you are running low (5ish psi) boost, but if you want to go higher, I would recommend it. You will need a way of getting more fuel into your car, perhaps something like the safc with larger injectors. You will need to retard your timing, and more than likely run colder plugs gapped differently. you will need oil feed, and return lines, as well as coolant feed, and return lines. and if you want control over the turbo a boost controller, you will also need either a bypass valve, or a blow off valve if you have a standard transmission, to prevent compressor surge; probably need an upgraded clutch, and various other things (gauges etc) just little things.
If you have more questions, just ask, hope this helps
Whoa, there is some misinformation in this post. I will address it later tonight.
Edit: After re-reading the post, there is minimal misinformation. I don't think the turbo is oversized at all however, especially if it is to be used on a FWD car.
SpoolinMX6 has outlined the junkyard/ghetto turbo system that will work, just not anywhere near maximum potential. |
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| Pro Drag |
Can a Mod, graft this thread together with the other identical thread?
I am all for another educational thread, but not one that is spread over two threads. |
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| scooby_dooby |
that's a great turbo for a b16! not the best but I'm sure for the price it'll be great.
where'd you get it? how much ???
I have a book with a detailed build of a b16 low budget turbo, using a t3 from a 2.3 t-bird.
in order to safely run 6psi the author needed only an FMU and wastegate actuator(stock wastegate opens at 9psi). the stock b16a gained 20-25ft-lbs below vtec, and 35-40ft-lbs after vtec. peak HP was increased by 61whp, from 153-214whp.
he then purchase an intercooler, fuel pump and wastegate controller in order to "safely" turn the boost up to 10lbs. He then netted gains of up to 60-65ft-lbs all the way from 4000rpm and up, peak hp increased by ANOTHER 61whp, from 214-275whp!
i think it's safe to say awesome find! |
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| scooby_dooby |
a little more info for you:
the author also raised the boost to 12 and 15lbs to test. before doping so he opted to purchase a larger spearco intercooler(over the used supra one he used on the previos test). additional mods oncluded crane ignition and some larger RC injectors.
at 12lbs the b16/t3 combo netted 309whp, when upped to 15lbs the little turbo had reached it's end with only a minimal gain of 20whp. The little turbo could do no more! Still the final #'s were 329whp @ 15lbs of boost.
The author then swapped out the .48 A/R Turbine housing(better for quick spool ups) with a .63 housing to improve the top end, they were rewarded with an additional 13whp from 5500rpms and up, and an additonal 19ft-lbs of torque arounf 5500rpms. Final tally was 342 horsepower at the wheels, 267lbs of torque.
As a final test the author swapped in a T3/TO4B turbo and compared it to the smaller t3, the T3/TO4B lost power , especially in the mid-range(3500-5500rpm), . |
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| scooby_dooby |
quote:
Originally posted by Spoolin MX6
I have answered this in the General auto chat forum, but I will post more here. I think it is a pretty large turbo for the size of motor, it is a t3 (ihi rhb5) and flows somewhere in the area of 350 cfm, if he can spool that turbo there will be alot of lag.
there's not very much lag, from the dyno charts i'm lookin at it hits maximum boost around 4000rpms but the power really teakes off when vtec hits at 5500rpm. |
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| drastik |
ask on cevo.
civicevolutions.com
there's experience there for turbo'd hondas. |
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| Spoolin MX6 |
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there's not very much lag, from the dyno charts i'm lookin at it hits maximum boost around 4000rpms but the power really teakes off when vtec hits at 5500rpm.
scooby_dooby
Yup, I realized I was thinking about that turbo on my motor, with a different power band. I didn't think a 1.6 could spool that because I was thinking differently, now that I look at it, sure go for it, may I suggest using an ihi rhb5 vj11 center cartridge, and turbine housing/wheel, with the t-bird compressor housing and wheel, this should allow him make a little more low end power. The stock wastegate on that center housing opens at 7.3 psi.
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Whoa, there is some misinformation in this post. I will address it later tonight.
Edit: After re-reading the post, there is minimal misinformation. I don't think the turbo is oversized at all however, especially if it is to be used on a FWD car.
SpoolinMX6 has outlined the junkyard/ghetto turbo system that will work, just not anywhere near maximum potential.
Thanx lol, I realized I was incorrect about the lag after, sorry about that, as for the junkyard ghetto system, yup, thats pretty much what it is, as for tuning it to maximum potential, I could explain what I think would work, but that was not the question asked. You can build a quick car out of junkyard parts, and not have it be ghetto, depends on how much time you spend on it, you will see. |
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| Nimbusgti |
| I am pretty sure that there was 2 turbo's availble for the t-bird. 1 for auto and one for standard. I think they were both t3's but different trim levels. |
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| WeDgE |
| This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone know what the Mitsu 14B flows? Looking to run 7psi on a 2.2L I4. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by WeDgE
This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone know what the Mitsu 14B flows? Looking to run 7psi on a 2.2L I4.
I think it would be a perfect match, the 14B is native to the 1G Manual Tranny DSM.
2.0L I4 motor that ran 9-11 lbs of boost from the factory.
The turbo is internally gated from the factory and the minimum boost would be 9lbs unless you went to an external wastegate setup.
The 14B would flow some relatively cool air at 7 psi on the 2.2L I4 motor.
If you want to step up to an evo III b16g turbo, you know who to come see. |
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| WeDgE |
quote:
Originally posted by Pro Drag
I think it would be a perfect match, the 14B is native to the 1G Manual Tranny DSM.
2.0L I4 motor that ran 9-11 lbs of boost from the factory.
The turbo is internally gated from the factory and the minimum boost would be 9lbs unless you went to an external wastegate setup.
The 14B would flow some relatively cool air at 7 psi on the 2.2L I4 motor.
If you want to step up to an evo III b16g turbo, you know who to come see.
Thanks for the quick answer, Blaine. I just hope that 9psi won't be too much for the stock internals of this car... :blink:
I'll definitely step up to that b16g when I have the flow.... :) |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by WeDgE
quote:
Originally posted by Pro Drag
I think it would be a perfect match, the 14B is native to the 1G Manual Tranny DSM.
2.0L I4 motor that ran 9-11 lbs of boost from the factory.
The turbo is internally gated from the factory and the minimum boost would be 9lbs unless you went to an external wastegate setup.
The 14B would flow some relatively cool air at 7 psi on the 2.2L I4 motor.
If you want to step up to an evo III b16g turbo, you know who to come see.
Thanks for the quick answer, Blaine. I just hope that 9psi won't be too much for the stock internals of this car... :blink:
I'll definitely step up to that b16g when I have the flow.... :)
I know it is a 2.2 I4, but what engine is it? |
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| WeDgE |
quote:
Originally posted by Pro Drag
I know it is a 2.2 I4, but what engine is it?
F22A1 bottom end |
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