| 1_Bar |
Just wondering if you can intercool a JRSC Lude. I know for sure that you can on other JRSC vehicles (ie. miata), but never seen a Lude before. Just wondering if you need anything more than the core and the plumming.....
I mean turbos its easy to understand with the turbo "pushing" the compressed air into the intercooler and then the IM. But the SC pulls incoming air and then compresses it....I dunno if it can "pull" efficiently across the core....
Feel free to criticize.... |
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| 98Luder |
I thought there was a water injection type setup for the JRSC's for H22A? Like it cools down the air flow in the intake manifold runners before it enters the intake ports of the head.
Are you looking to cool the charge?
or are you just looking to put a front mount type intercooler on your car, the heat is produced in the SC which would be in the intake manifold runners. Having a intercooler prior to the TB i don't think would do much...it'd pretty much be just as good as a Cold air intake.
Just my 2cents on it.
Good luck :bthumbup: |
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| 1_Bar |
| Cool...thanks for your input. That makes sense...and I just found out that you have to cut open the JRSC to make room for the tubes of water to cool the runners. I don't think I wanna risk that, even though they say it made 25whp..... |
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| 98Luder |
| yea it's always a trade off....like many things in life :) |
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| redmethods |
| Big bag of ice :D |
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| ManHunter |
Since the JRSC kit is a bolt-on kit, adding an intercooler to it will most likely throw off the A/F ratio. Unless you have a way of retuning the A/F ratio, this could mean big trouble.
MH |
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| 00redLUDE |
| Hey 1_Bar just wondering what, if any, I/H/E are you going to be running with your JRSC? Are you going to add anything else to your engine in addition to your JRSC? I'm trying to get some ideas for myself. Thanks in advance. |
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| 1_Bar |
| I will be running Mugen headers along w/ my 5 zigen fireball exhaust,....working on madrell bent piping to 2.5". Sould all be done by Feb. Long term I'm prolly looking at Crower cams and Hondata for fuel management.... |
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| 98Luder |
I have to add that the Hondata system is very nice to use as a tuning tool. The Hondata and of course a dyno makes tuning fairly easy :)
I'd get rid of that black box setup Jackson racing provides as soon as you can afford something else. I heard it's not as good as they claim |
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| 1_Bar |
| Yeah, the JR fuel management I hear is not really good at all....would a VAFC or a SAFC be a better alternatvie?? |
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| 98Luder |
Vafc is pretty good for ppl that have all their boltons and want to just fine tune the fuel map a bit. It's really a pretty good tool for what it is, quick and simple. However, it is not as good as a Honata system for your setup. With the Hondata you can tune your fuel map way more persicely, and not to mention the ability to tune your ignition map as well.
I think the Vafc is just too simple for of a tool if you have the SC. I'd recommend something that has the abiltity to do your ignition map as well(stand alone system) to get the full benefit of your SC. Weather that be Hondata, AEM, Motec, or whatever you want. |
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| 1_Bar |
| Cool.....I'll probably get a VAFC until I can afford the hondata...Thanks for the info. Anythings better than the JR one.... |
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| 98Luder |
| Cool cool bring it in sometime if you want, we can try to help you tune it at the shop. Take about an hour. |
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| 98Luder |
| Cool cool bring it in sometime if you want, we can try to help you tune it at the shop. Take about an hour. |
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| 1_Bar |
| nice...yeah maybe I'll bring her up during reading week in Feb. when I'm off for a week.....hopefully I'll have enough cash to purchase one...hehehe... |
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| 98Luder |
Cool you can find Vafcs here and there now a days if you wnat a used one. Cool, so we'll hve some SC'd, Turboed and NA Preludes at our EPC meets i hope :)
go EPC:bthumbup: |
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| redmethods |
why noy just go with a hondata, it isn't that much more than VAFC? With the vafc you are piggybacking the piggyback(JRSC EMS)
just my 2 cents |
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| 1_Bar |
not that expensive?!? I thought the hondata and AEM EMS were the same price. Doesn't the AEM EMS retail for 1500??
Can anyone quote me a rough price on just the standard hondata??
**nevermind just found some pricing**
I guess I'm going hondata....another question, since my lude is a 2000 model, do I need to run another ECU? |
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| 98Luder |
Yes another ECU is required.
some ppl use the GSR(p72) some ppl run the civic Si(p28) cause it has vtec already. The difference between the two is that the P72 takes into account for your dual runner intake manifold, where as the P28 can't control the butterflies.
When you put in the SC do you still have a dual stage intake manifold?
The Hondata S200 system goes for around 490+gst or something like that.
There's addon's, like options you can add onto the S200. I think something you'd want is the boost option, this expands the load range since you are SC'd i think you'd need it. Datalogging is fun to have but i'm not sure if you would want it or need it?
Check out the Hondata site hereclick here
Basically waht you need is a couple things to get this going.
1. ECU P72:$400 P28:$175
2. Conversion harness cause these Civic/integra ECU's won't just plug in so you need an adapter harness to get them to work. I think these adapter harness are now about 200 or so
3. Hondata+boost
4. Tuning time
Your siting at just under 1200 with Hondata+boost, conversion harness, P28 + tuning.
I'm not sure how bad your tuning needs to be done? I my fuel/ignition map full/partial throttle in about an hour and a half. I did it really fast. I'd say 2hrs of tuning time to get it all done. Worse comes to worse i'd say 3hrs. Basically we'll set your vtec point then do the fuel map to get it all even across the board then start fine tuning, then work on the ignition map. Once we do full throttle we can do partial throttle if you want.
Basically that's all of it in a nut shell. If you were expecting 1500 i guess that's about it...all the equipment and tuned. if you really want it i can work out a package deal for you man. |
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| 98Luder |
oh just for your comparison.
VAFC is about 400-450 these days +tuning.
Tunings about an hour i'd say so about 550 for all that.
Keep in mind you won't be able to fine tune as much as with the Hondata, it is still a piggyback system, and you can not tune your ignition map. |
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| redmethods |
quote:
Originally posted by 98Luder
oh just for your comparison.
VAFC is about 400-450 these days +tuning.
Tunings about an hour i'd say so about 550 for all that.
Keep in mind you won't be able to fine tune as much as with the Hondata, it is still a piggyback system, and you can not tune your ignition map.
Good point, but all in all the hondata is a bet system, like there is more play with ,(BUT that should be left to the people that Know what they are doing, like PE TUNING & others) |
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| 98Luder |
| Yea of course i personally feel Hondata is the best for tuning. However, i always try to give ppl all their options when talking about this stuff. I know budget is of course the deciding factor so if all those put aside i feel Hondata is reallly good, but then for the money the vafc is not bad for what your getting tha's all i'm saying. But again it's missing a lot of things that the Hondata system offers. |
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| SHIFT_AT_9000_RPMS |
Good info. Thanx 98luder. Good to have you on board!! :bthumbup:
What's a V-AFC 2 running for these dayz @ PE Tuning. PM if you'd like. Thanx. ( installed and dyno tuned ).
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| 98Luder |
I have a friend that was trying to do a group buy for some Vafc2's....i'm still trying to push him to get it going. You see....he's quite lazy,heh. I can't remeber how much they go for?
something like 500bucks or something?
As for the tuning time, takes about an hour to tune a vafc. Meaning to tune the vtec point and the fuel map. However tha was on 8pts now the vafc2 has 12pts to tune. I believe it should be about the same 4 more extra points shouldn't really add too much time to the tuning. If everything finishes in 1hr, 150bucks. On average 1hr is all you really need to tune full load fuel map and find your optimal vtec point.
You can ask Darcy for his experience with the tuning day :D |
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| SHIFT_AT_9000_RPMS |
Thanx James
Yeah, I heard D'Arcy's tuning went well.
Keep me updated on the progress of the group buy. I'll need a V-AFC to tune my mods. Closer towards summer though.
Thanx
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| Xx D-MAN xX |
quote:
Originally posted by SHIFT_AT_9000_RPMS
Yeah, I heard D'Arcy's tuning went well.
8whp & 12 ft/lbs of torque gained by just tuning the a/f ratio's.
The gains are conservative since there was no temperature sensor used and we didn't apply the correction factor. If we did, I would be at a 153 whp, which is a 16 whp gain. Not bad for bone stock! |
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| 1_Bar |
thanks for all your help guys, that's a lot of info....I'll decide soon enough. I gotta double check the secondaries on the IM, and then I'll check the cash flow situation....
98luder I will PM you if I need pricing on whatever I decide on. |
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| 98Luder |
Cool glad i can help.
If any of you guys need any more info please let me know i'll try my best to inform you about the product.
Feel free to PM or call the shop or even email. |
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| 1_Bar |
98luder
....I forgot to mention that my lude is an auto. Does that make a diff. w/ which hondata I will be using?? I was reading on their site that I should be using the stage 2/3/4....but I dunno since I'm swapping out the ECU for a different one. Just wondering if you had any info on this..... |
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| 98Luder |
Ohh....auto eh?
yea the stage2-3-4 is how they used to sell their parts.
Now it's only Hondata S100 + S200 only, then you just add your options on top of that.
As for auto....that i'm not sure if the stage2-3-4 will work. All the cars that we setup with Hondata have been 5spd. I have a very strong feeling that it may not work.
It states in the notes on the link below
http://www.hondata.com/vehicles.html
*Manual transmission only with the s100 or s200 systems.
I'm sorry to break the bad news :( |
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| 1_Bar |
| well I guess that takes care of that....VAFC here I come. I guess that will have to do until the 5 speed swap!! |
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| 1_Bar |
| oh yeah FYI the secondaries are removed from the JRSC so the p28 is the ECU to go w/... =) |
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| 98Luder |
yea..cool..
P28 :bthumbup: = cheaper than P72
Hope to meet up with you in the spring 1bar, hope the EPC meets get better this year. Com'on guys lets get these meets goin |
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| 1_Bar |
| Hell yea....I'm done school in April and I'll have plenty of free time to meet up w/ you guyz!! |
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| luder |
| yeah we need to get those EPC meets going in full swing, take over hawrelak park this summer, and yes i realize i butchered the spelling of hawrelak |
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| 98Luder |
Did you guys PM me???
it's not working
just email me
vtec98prelude@hotmail.com[/email]
or at work
[email]petuning@hotmail.com |
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| SHIFT_AT_9000_RPMS |
Somebody <cough> James / PE <cough> organize a group buy on V-AFC 2. Preferably after RRSP season!! ( end of Feb ).
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| 98Luder |
I'm going to do a review for you guys
Since i have used all 3 of the below
(chipped ECU vs Vafc vs Hondata)
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| 98Luder |
Here's my review/experience of Hondata vs Chipped ECU vs VAFC
enjoy, let me know if you have more questions
CLICK HERE |
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| SHIFT_AT_9000_RPMS |
quote:
Originally posted by 98Luder
Here's my review/experience of Hondata vs Chipped ECU vs VAFC
enjoy, let me know if you have more questions
CLICK HERE
That's a great resource. It should be pinned in our forum. |
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| redmethods |
| :bthumbup: good F'N post I LIKE IT |
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| 1_Bar |
| nice work 98luder....Helps me out a lot. |
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| 98Luder |
Hope it helped
:bthumbup:
i'll try to do more reviews later on, just so busy lately
i'll do the AEM pulley review
and the Exedy clutch/alluminum flywheel review...soon i hope. |
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