| Keith303 |
For anyone that listens to rap, :dunno: who doesnt:dunno:
you deffinatly want to check out Twista, an exprememly gifted rapper who holds the reccord for most sylibles in a certain span.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=music&n=38
check out the song "kill us all" |
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| Mekanik22 |
| Yeah, he is pretty good. However, I think Wu-tang (GZA, etc...) are definetly gifted. I think they have awsome lyrics, and the way they rap the lyrics, it's just awsome. |
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| Anonymoose |
| MC Hammer all the way! |
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| ChromeDragon |
Stop Hamma', don't hurt 'em!
"If there's one thing I learned from watching the first 2/3 of the MC Hammer behind the music, it's that money NEVER runs out!" - Scudworth:lol: |
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| S2000_rider |
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Originally posted by Keith303
For anyone that listens to rap, :dunno: who doesnt:dunno:
you deffinatly want to check out Twista, an exprememly gifted rapper who holds the reccord for most sylibles in a certain span.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=music&n=38
check out the song "kill us all"
I'm pretty sure this guy is old school. I was listenting to him in the early 90's. He went by Tongue Twista. I would like to see him and that guy from Fu-Schnickens go at it :lol: |
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| heckmatic |
| Rahzel, now there's a guy with talent. His new album just came out but I'm yet to hear it. The human beatbox, unbelievable. |
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| superpirate25 |
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Originally posted by Keith303
For anyone that listens to rap, :dunno: who doesnt:dunno:
Perhaps people with taste? :p |
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| Keith303 |
No matter what anyone says Hip/hop-Rap takes the absolute most talent out of any music genre. Therefor IMO people who
dont give it the respect it deserves dont know anything about music.
Music takes rytheme, to me a rock, country or alternitive does require skill but not a 1/10 of that Rap does.
I exclusivly listen to rap, If you actually sit and listen to the words in a song, take Nickleback for example,most of what he is singing about hardly applys to reallife nore has much todo with anything rather then making a song with a pleasing melody and words that try to tell a storey that never happend
Now im not saying that im straight out of compton and that Ive sold crack on a corner, But you take an artist like 2pac,biggy, bonethuggs, and even eminem. You sit down and actully listen to what they sing/rap about, and for the good rappers its real shit, maybe not real to me or you but none the less real.
That is why i dissagree with the previous post, Im not saying everone should like rap, but respect it.
For a good example of this check out
2pac - Ghost
2pac - All eyes on me |
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| Anonymoose |
quote:
Originally posted by Keith303
I exclusivly listen to rap, If you actually sit and listen to the words in a song, take Nickleback for example,most of what he is singing about hardly applys to reallife nore has much todo with anything rather then making a song with a pleasing melody and words that try to tell a storey that never happend
Now im not saying that im straight out of compton and that Ive sold crack on a corner, But you take an artist like 2pac,biggy, bonethuggs, and even eminem. You sit down and actully listen to what they sing/rap about, and for the good rappers its real shit, maybe not real to me or you but none the less real.
Umm, yeah because drinkin 40's while drivin' in my Navigator all up on the bling bling dubs about to pop a cap in someone's ass while shouting mad props to my homies is straight out of real life. Word to your mother! |
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| Keith303 |
hey i donno about you guys, but thats pretty much my weekend.
for rap its all about the metafors, |
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| Mekanik22 |
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Originally posted by Anonymoose
Umm, yeah because drinkin 40's while drivin' in my Navigator all up on the bling bling dubs about to pop a cap in someone's ass while shouting mad props to my homies is straight out of real life. Word to your mother!
That's what everybody says but you know, just because people listen to the music doesn't make them "hardcore gang bangers". Hell, the rap artists themselves hardly do that, some just choose to rap about it. Only a few have been locked up for criminal type stuff. That's what pisses me off. As soon as people hear the word rap they just say dumb stuff like you just said.... If it was a joke, haha not funny.... |
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| superpirate25 |
| I'm sorry to hear that you judge all other music genres by what you hear in the mainstream,(nickelback, etc.) I can guarantee you that the majority of the music I listen to is deeply rooted in politics and social causes, issues that are of real importance, although I pretty much listen to every kind of music I can get my hands on. You should perhaps try to be a little less closed minded if you exclusively listen to rap music. Also note, I never said I didn't listen to rap, you mentioned Tupac in particular, he happens to be one of my favorite rap artists although I'm more of a hip hop fan. A Tribe Called Quest, Heiroglyphics, etc... stuff with a bit of a positive message as opposed to the trash in mainstream rap nowadays (50 cent, Ja Rule, etc.) Also the :p smiley generally signifies that what was said was in a joking manner, I suppose you didn't pick that up. But do you honestly believe that writing and performing a rap song requires more talent than a great classical composer/symphony or an amazing vocalist? Things that require immense skill and knowledge of how actual music works? If so, you should really open your mind to what the world of music has to offer, but mabye you're just too thug yO! to listen to anything but mad tyte rap music. :rolleyes: Looks like my little joke about rap = crap has exposed your true ignorance. |
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| Keith303 |
Vocally, Classical music obviosly takes the the skill factor, But asfar as the creative side, rap to me is still #1.
Not that Ive listend to it alot but classical music is not bad actually:D |
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| S2000_rider |
quote:
Originally posted by Keith303
No matter what anyone says Hip/hop-Rap takes the absolute most talent out of any music genre. Therefor IMO people who
dont give it the respect it deserves dont know anything about music.
Couldn't have said it better myself! |
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| superpirate25 |
Explain to me where the massive amount of talent lies in creating rap music. I'm not saying that it doesn't require skills to make something that sounds good, but to say that it takes the absolute most talent out of any music genre, as you put it, is way off the mark. There are many extremely talented hip-hop artists that find incredibly clever ways to rhyme and express what they are trying to say, as well as dj's who create some awesome beats for them to do it to.
But all that just doesn't add up to the amount of knowledge and skill that a traditional musical group posseses. Understanding and using musical theory in putting together a song, playing instruments that take years to master (yes, I know the turntable can be compared to an instrument) rather than playing a repetitive beat(not to mention the extremely common use of sampling, or using already existing music in your song, often from other genres of music) with a guy using very limited vocals to basically speak over the beat, they just are not equal in my mind.
Notice I have not however said that I don't respect what these artists can do, I just have a hard time believing that rap requires the most talent out of any music genre, and that not believing that somehow makes me unknowledgable about music. I think that musical experts the world over would also disagree, as well as many rap artists. Anybody who considers themselves a true musician knows they are not the best, and I'm sure every great rapper would admit to being influenced by many different genres of music, they wouldn't have the same closed minded view as you.
Although I think this entire discussion could be summed up pretty well with a single phrase. Talent, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Some people appreciate one thing, and others another. |
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| Keith303 |
good point, however i still believe Rap requires most talent. If it wernt for tupac I wouldnt say this but. So to sum it all up...
Rap = > all genres
With practice any1 can be good at intruments or singing, asfar as rapping goes, you just have to have the gift lol |
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| Anonymoose |
| So you're saying that it takes no talent to play an instrument? As opposed to talking fast, which is all rap is? Honestly, I'd classify rap as probably the bottom of the musical talent pile. |
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| superpirate25 |
| You honestly think that it would be easier to master say, the piano, than it would be to master speaking at a fast pace? Wow..... I give up, you're impossible to reason with. Like I said earlier, even rappers themselves probably wouldn't think that way. |
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| Keith303 |
I didnt say master, just said tobe good at.
some1 can goto a piano class for 2 months and be allright, tobe allright at rap takes alot more imo.
:beer: :blue: :drama: :fingersx: |
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| S2000_rider |
quote:
Originally posted by Keith303
good point, however i still believe Rap requires most talent. If it wernt for tupac I wouldnt say this but. So to sum it all up...
Rap = > all genres
With practice any1 can be good at intruments or singing, asfar as rapping goes, you just have to have the gift lol
I THINK :dunno: what Keith is trying to say with respect to Rap is of all the music genres that have to do with creating lyrics, ie. Pop/Country/Rock & Roll/Heavy Metal etc etc, Rap requires the most lyrical talent which IMO is absolutely true. |
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| Keith303 |
| sing it brother, those hippies will never understand:p |
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| Anonymoose |
| I agree. The guy who did those Micro Machine commercials was probably the greatest rap talent this world will ever see :rolleyes:. |
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| superpirate25 |
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Originally posted by S2000_rider
I THINK :dunno: what Keith is trying to say with respect to Rap is of all the music genres that have to do with creating lyrics, ie. Pop/Country/Rock & Roll/Heavy Metal etc etc, Rap requires the most lyrical talent which IMO is absolutely true.
I guess I would agree with you on that aspect, but solely because rap is the only genre completely based on spewing lyrics. Perhaps I misinterpreted what he was trying to say. Because in terms of pure talent, when it comes to all the other aspects of music besides the lyrical, rap not only can't compete, it almost doesn't even have any other levels. ie: it's talent doesn't lie in the field of music, but in creating lyrics. |
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| S2000_rider |
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Originally posted by superpirate25
I guess I would agree with you on that aspect, but solely because rap is the only genre completely based on spewing lyrics. Perhaps I misinterpreted what he was trying to say. Because in terms of pure talent, when it comes to all the other aspects of music besides the lyrical, rap not only can't compete, it almost doesn't even have any other levels. ie: it's talent doesn't lie in the field of music, but in creating lyrics.
Well, I'm almost in agreement with you :p. To say that in the field of music (in this case Rap Instrumentals) takes little or no talent is not true at all. I will however, agree that the talent of creating MUSIC music for eg. an orchestra takes MUCH more talent then creating a Hip Hop beat...That being said, I enjoy Hip Hop beats much more :p.
For those who think rapping takes no talent, I suggest you rent 8 mile (yes it's overly commericialized) but the battles that you see in the movie along with unscripted battles in the special features give you an idea just how difficult it is produce TIGHT lyrics (not that micromachines bullshit)...freestyling itself is a talent in it's own and very VERY few are good at it. |
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| Anonymoose |
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Originally posted by superpirate25
I guess I would agree with you on that aspect, but solely because rap is the only genre completely based on spewing lyrics. Perhaps I misinterpreted what he was trying to say. Because in terms of pure talent, when it comes to all the other aspects of music besides the lyrical, rap not only can't compete, it almost doesn't even have any other levels. ie: it's talent doesn't lie in the field of music, but in creating lyrics.
I was waiting for someone to say this. If this is a comparison of musical genres based on lyrics alone then this would be very long and drawn-out debate. Many of the statements here would be akin to saying that Bob Dylan wrote some excellent lyrics therefore folk music is the pinnacle of musical styling. Frankly, this isn't the case. Each genre has its own poets and they're only difference is the music that they put these lyrics to.
Now, I've listened to quite a lot of rap in my day and 99% of it can neither be called insightful nor poetic. There are a few who have put together deep songs but those are small minority. The majority of them are written to feed the masses who expect songs dealing with what I mentioned earlier. But all genres are guilty of this.
I would have to disagree very strongly bluntly that rap takes the most talent. Rap is characterized by someone speaking quickly and that is the only talent its based on (lyrics aside). To say that someone could learn piano in a couple hours is also a very naive statement. I'm sure some basic fundamentals could be taught but no one would give these people a recording contract with which to torture the masses. I believe it takes much more talent for someone like Steve Vai to belt out a screaming song on his guitar than for Eminem to mumble out an 800 syllable sentence in one breath.
But that's just me. |
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| S2000_rider |
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Originally posted by Anonymoose
Now, I've listened to quite a lot of rap in my day and 99% of it can neither be called insightful nor poetic. There are a few who have put together deep songs but those are small minority.
Sad to hear you haven't listen to good Hip Hop.
Rap is characterized by someone speaking quickly and that is the only talent its based on (lyrics aside).
LOL, no disrespect but if this is what you think Rap IS you have absolutely, positively, NO IDEA WTF you're talking about.
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| Anonymoose |
| Stop putting words in my mouth. |
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| S2000_rider |
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Originally posted by Anonymoose
Rap is characterized by someone speaking quickly and that is the only talent its based on (lyrics aside).
I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm just quoting you... |
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| Keith303 |
all i have to say is :blue:
healthy debate |
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| Anonymoose |
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Originally posted by S2000_rider
I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm just quoting you...
I meant you were putting words in my quote instead of around it. |
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| fawker |
quote:
Originally posted by S2000_rider
Rap is characterized by someone speaking quickly and that is the only talent its based on (lyrics aside).
LOL, no disrespect but if this is what you think Rap IS you have absolutely, positively, NO IDEA WTF you're talking about.
Yea you got the "rap is only talking fast" thing all wrong and you don't know wtf you are talking about as S2000 said... So I will clarify for you:
SOMETIMES they speak fast .... and SOMETIMES they speak slow .... and (if you are ready for this) SOMETIMES they mix it up a little and go from fast to slow.. or slow to fast!!
With that said, I don't think i can say words real fast :lol: |
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| ChromeDragon |
For me the basis of strong hip hop is in the topic of the lyrics and the message put across. How many tens of thousands of "up and coming" rappers do you think there are in the world that just rap about blunts, bitches, bling bling and gats? How many do you think there are that rap about the perils in the world around them and have some aspirations in the industry other than making fat stacks? I can assure you that there are many more of the former. Those types are the ones that get into it for purely the things they are rapping about and not for the music. Sure there are a few talented ones that slip through and make some decent music, but the majority of it is pure garbage....and this is coming from a hip hop fan.
I'm not going to sit here and preach against mainstream hip hop because I do like some of it, I also like alot of underground stuff. I will speak out about the overly violent bullshit that most of them spew. You can not sit there and tell me that these lyrics do not influence kids. I just finished working on a acute forensics unit for extremely violent teenagers. Many of these kids got the ideas for the crimes they committed from music they listen to and TV that they watch in some form or another. One kid in particular told me of a gun he bought purely because one of his favorite rappers goes by the same name(Mack 10). He used that gun to kill three people at a party when someone spilled a drink on his shoes. This kid was sitting around most of the day today writing and reciting violent lyrics for some new songs he plans to "lay down". The scariest thing, though, is that all the other kids on the unit worship him. They are all trying to write their own songs, trying to outdo his violent lyrics. High fives are given after someone rhymes a new way to put a cap in your ass. Some of the kids are just joking around, but several of them are already convicted murderers.....it's no joke for them.
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| VerbotenZ34 |
Just like DMX said, kiddies - It's not a game:cool:
Verboten |
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| driving a lemon |
Twista is pretty good in my opinion.. Have heard a couple of his songs bt have to say slow jamz is the best. best line from the song would be...
"Got a light skin friend look like micheal jacckson.. got a dark skin friend look like micheal jackson.."
Too funny.. :D |
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