| MightyMidget |
OMFG..i just heard the TOOLS suspension....what a fucking joke!!! the rest of the reg season and the platoffs.......and $250,000.....that is such BS :mad: :mad: :mad:
way to go NHL....dumb shits:mad: :mad: :mad: Moore may never play hockey again....how long will he be out?? I am so pissed off right now.....its shit like this why i dont watch hockey anymore.
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Why not get on a valium drip and re-explain yourself...
I'm still not sure if you're mad at Bertoolzi or the suspension/fine or the NHL...  |
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| MightyMidget |
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Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG
Why not get on a valium drip and re-explain yourself...
I'm still not sure if you're mad at Bertoolzi or the suspension/fine or the NHL...
ummm I am mad at both but i think by the :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: you should be able to tell I am mad by the suspension.quote:
OMFG..i just heard the TOOLS suspension....what a fucking joke!!! the rest of the reg season and the platoffs.......and $250,000.....that is such BS
ummm that would be the NHL i am mad at!!!!!
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way to go NHL....dumb shits
would be the NHL too......
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| Clem |
His suspension was indefinte. Berto has to have a meeting with the league before next years training camp so they can decide whether or not they will let him play again or not.
Moore's is also expected to make a full recovery.
"Vancouver Canucks' forward Todd Bertuzzi has been suspended for the remainder of the 2003-04 season, including the final 12 regular-season games plus the entire 2004 Stanley Cup Playoffs. In addition, Mr. Bertuzzi's eligibility for the 2004-05 NHL season will be determined by Commissioner Gary Bettman prior to the start of training camp."
That's just the blurb on the main page of NHL.com
as the French say: "fait attention" need to get all the facts before you get upset.
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| MightyMidget |
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Originally posted by Clem
His suspension was indefinte. Berto has to have a meeting with the league before next years training camp so they can decide whether or not they will let him play again or not.
Moore's is also expected to make a full recovery.
"Vancouver Canucks' forward Todd Bertuzzi has been suspended for the remainder of the 2003-04 season, including the final 12 regular-season games plus the entire 2004 Stanley Cup Playoffs. In addition, Mr. Bertuzzi's eligibility for the 2004-05 NHL season will be determined by Commissioner Gary Bettman prior to the start of training camp."
That's just the blurb on the main page of NHL.com
as the French say: "fait attention" need to get all the facts before you get upset.
There's still a chance of more fines and Berto never playing hockey ever again.
haha thats funny cause i was watching the news (right after is was announced) at work and they only said what I posted :dunno: ....figures...damn news reporters:asshole: (not you clem) the news ppl
with that other info it is good that moore is expected to make a full recovery but the TOOLzzi should never play pro hockey again....IDIOT!!!
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| Clem |
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Originally posted by MightyMidget
haha thats funny cause i was watching the news at work and they only said what I posted :dunno: ....figures...damn news reporters:asshole:
Weird cuz everything I posted I heard/listened to last night.
You are right though. reporters= :asshole:
Drama sells media/news.
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| MightyMidget |
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Originally posted by Clem
Weird cuz everything I posted I heard/listened to last night.
You are right though. reporters= :asshole:
Drama sells media/news.
You can see my distaste for media in the pitbull thread.
how did you hear that last night?? they NHL did not release their decision until this morning :dunno: ...meh whatever...details......TOOLzzi should be charged criminally too!!!!!!!
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| Clem |
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Originally posted by MightyMidget
how did you hear that last night?? they NHL did not release their decision until this morning :dunno: ...meh whatever...details......TOOLzzi should be charged criminally too!!!!!!!
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Sorry I meant this moring. JoeFM news @ 8:00. |
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| Z3r03rr0r |
| an added tid bit of info, because of the suspension bertuzi is also looking at 500,000 in unearned income minimum. |
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| limecorrado |
| If Vancouver Wins the Cup(Unlikely) would'nt Burtuzi be Uneligable for a Ring.Thats Gotta Suck too.Mind You Breaking Your Neck on a Blind Sided punch has Gotta Suck too. |
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| HaULiN_aZz |
Well im my humble opinion i think that
1)who's to say that its bertuzi's falt first of all because he did take a cheap shot at him but....after they were on the ice about 4 or 5 other players jumped on the two of them and who's to say that someone didnt land on his neck or something...
2)He should have worn a full fask mask (either a cage or a full visor...) and on top of that have the fuckin chin strap done up for gods sakes...It should be made manditory after this incedent that at very least a half visor is needed in order to compete in the NHL.
3)My most controversial point...."Shit happens" players go into this knowing they could/probably will get seriously injured atleast once in their careers...
Well those are my thoughts....(just playin devils advocate, there are 2 sides to every story)
***NOTE*** I DO NOT THINK BERTUZI SHOULD EVER PLAY IN THE NHL AGAIN ***NOTE*** |
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| ChromeDragon |
Like Haulin I'm not defending Bertuzzi, but should the punishment not be set to fit the offense and not the outcome? If Moore had just gone down and gotten right back up and kept playing should Bertuzzi still be kicked out of the league? The whole deal with injuries in professional sports is a huge gray area that nobody knows what they should be doing. If they can charge him with assault for this, then shouldn't these guys be charged with assault every single time they slap a guy on the shins with their stick, or throw a body check? Where do you draw the line?
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| VerbotenZ34 |
I'm divided on the issue myself. I saw the footage, and while it was a cheap shot from behind, I didn't feel that it was particularly vicious. It wasn't as if Bertuzzi sent Steve-O into the boards headfirst. And in all likelyhood it was the doggypile afterwards that tweaked his neck.
On the other hand, I can't really accept that its part of the game. I'm sure Steve Moore was prepared to absorb some banging and crashing in the corners and what not; he wasn't prepared for or expected to be crippled (potentially, his recovery is still up in the air). I'm just glad I'm not an NHL decision maker, because they have a really tough decision on their hands - that is, what punishment to dole out.
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| MightyMidget |
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon
Like Haulin I'm not defending Bertuzzi, but should the punishment not be set to fit the offense and not the outcome? If Moore had just gone down and gotten right back up and kept playing should Bertuzzi still be kicked out of the league? The whole deal with injuries in professional sports is a huge gray area that nobody knows what they should be doing. If they can charge him with assault for this, then shouldn't these guys be charged with assault every single time they slap a guy on the shins with their stick, or throw a body check? Where do you draw the line?
Chromey
Matt you should know that in hockey there is a given amount of consent when you step on the ice.....such as bodychecks, slashing, etc.....when you step on the ice you know that one or al lof these could happen to you. Where they draw the line is where the normal person would not consent to a visious action from one player to another. People expect ot be bodychecked and slashed but not to be sucker punched and then have your head pounded into the ice......
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| Type. K |
this is some of the most ill-informed banter i have ever seen. Bertuzzi deserved 10-12 games not the playoffs, hell i woulda even said the remaining 13 games would have been fine. The only reason the suspension is so big is because of people who think they are hockey fans giving their 2 bits on shit they dont understand. Bertuzzi was unlucky at best, this was not premeditated as he just wanted to fight moore.. not chip his 2 vertabrae. If you look closely at the video Bert clocked Moore and Moore goes limp and falls like a sack of door knobs on the ice while bertuzzi is grabbing his jersey as he slipped on his own stick. The dogpile of players afterwords didnt help either.
Moore is expected to make a full recovery in 4-6 weeks... just like ANY OTHER MAJOR CONCUSSION! look at scott stevens or the big E. Just today in the aftermath once the suspension was annouced they went arround asking players their thoughts and it seemed to be common that they agreed it was very harsh. Even Joe Sakic said it, Moore's captain.
Bertuzzi will never be the same in the NHL and may not be able to play the world cup now because of all the negative media pressure for the NHL to act strong and swift. |
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| ChromeDragon |
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Originally posted by MightyMidget
Matt you should know that in hockey there is a given amount of consent when you step on the ice.....such as bodychecks, slashing, etc.....when you step on the ice you know that one or al lof these could happen to you. Where they draw the line is where the normal person would not consent to a visious action from one player to another. People expect ot be bodychecked and slashed but not to be sucker punched and then have your head pounded into the ice......
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So what happens if during one of those clean bodychecks a players spine is severed and he's paralysed for life? Should the player executing the body check be charged with assault and suspended for an indefinite amount of time? How about the same thing for one of the little slashes that go on all the time in the game. Say one of those just misses a pad and breaks the guys ankle, should the slasher be thrown out when he was being slashed in just the same manner right before? It's a violent game and they are payed extremely well to play it. Of course what Bertuzzi did was stupid, but they should punish what he did, not the outcome of what he did.
I feel that this is much the same in the REAL world. If someone shoots someone with the intent to kill them, yet the person luckily does not die, they should still be charged the same way as a murderer would be. The extent of the injury should not be what determines punishment.
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| MightyMidget |
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon
So what happens if during one of those clean bodychecks a players spine is severed and he's paralysed for life? Should the player executing the body check be charged with assault and suspended for an indefinite amount of time? How about the same thing for one of the little slashes that go on all the time in the game. Say one of those just misses a pad and breaks the guys ankle, should the slasher be thrown out when he was being slashed in just the same manner right before? It's a violent game and they are payed extremely well to play it. Of course what Bertuzzi did was stupid, but they should punish what he did, not the outcome of what he did.
I feel that this is much the same in the REAL world. If someone shoots someone with the intent to kill them, yet the person luckily does not die, they should still be charged the same way as a murderer would be. The extent of the injury should not be what determines punishment.
Chromey
I can only say it so many times Matt :dunno: :dunno:
there is consent for that kind of stuff......NOT other things like BerTOOLzzi and Mcsorley did...
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| scooby_dooby |
I'm with Bertuzzi completely on this.
If anyone saw the whole incident instead of the 6-second clip they have on repeat, you would see Bertuzzi goin to Moore and trying to start a fight.
Moore took a cheap shot at their best player and in the NHL if you do that shit, you have to take your beats. Everyone knows that, it an unwritten rule. You have to protect your guys! If there weren't people handing out beats there would be virtually no deterrent to endless cheapshots and carreer ending injuries.
Buertuzzi looked him in the face and said lets go, moore turned his back and skated away like a little bitch, so Bertuzzi punched him in the head to try and make him fight, that's it! He didn't mean to one punch the guy, it was an accident, he does have a helmet on after all!!
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| Z3r03rr0r |
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Moore took a cheap shot at their best player and in the NHL if you do that shit, you have to take your beats. Everyone knows that, it an unwritten rule. You have to protect your guys!
Moore didn't take a cheapshot on Naslund, it was a clean hit and Naslund wan't keeping his head up, I found it absolutely ridiculous the crap that was being spewed by the vancouver players after that. Basicly the canucks were saying that if it was not Naslund and just a grinder from there team that it would of been okay but since it was there top scorer it wasn't allowed, when did it get decided that if you score a few more goals then someone else you are not allowed to get hit, if you are the top point getter in the league you have painted the target on your own chest. I know that since I have 20 more goals then anyone else in my soccer league that chances are I will have guys playing harder against me to prevent that and anyone that plays a sport proffesionally should expect the same |
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| scooby_dooby |
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Originally posted by Z3r03rr0r
when did it get decided that if you score a few more goals then someone else you are not allowed to get hit,
man you don't watch enough hockey. Just watch, when someone goes after the knee or the head of one of you "goal scorers" it's the duty of the tough guys to protect them.
You see it a million times, just watch ed jovo, someone goes after linden's knee and jovo dropps the gloves instantly and starts pummeling the guy in the head. Even wayne Gretzky agrees that there has to be fighting in the gam,e? Why? To prevent cheap shots and protect the goal scorers(Read: small guys who don't fight)
You have to protect your key player, they have to know they're gonna be protected when they're out there.
Me and most of my friends agree that was a cheap shot on maslund, it's could have been much more serious.
I think moore's hit was worse. The Bertuzzi hit which was mean to be a punch to the head, just to make the guy actually fight.
The moore hit on the other hand was a deliberate attempt to go after someone head as they are off balance, while he's flying at 30km/h, in my opinion that's much more vicious and dangerous than what Bertuzzi did.
chance just has it that Naslund wasn't seriously hurt, and moore was. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| How about we just say the politics of hockey are stupid and leave it at that?:dunno: |
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