| turbo95talon |
| I just had my balance shaft belt changed friday at the dodge dealership, and now the balance shaft is out of phase i've had 4 other shops confirm it in writing. The dealership is refusing to fix it for free, saying its not because of them. Has this happened to anybody? who can you contact? |
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| MightyMidget |
go nuts on the GM of the dealership....if it was like 2 days ago that is BS. They should warranty their work. Whos fault did they say it was?
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| DeathBy240 |
| Keep calling and bugging the GM of the dealership just DON'T GIVE UP!! Check the Dodge website and see if there is a customer help line or something, but make sure you have the names of everyone you dealt with, when you call. |
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| turbo95talon |
| They say the bad vibration was caused by the kn fipk and 3" exhaust which i had on my car prior to bringing it in. I told them im not a mechanic but im no idiot. They will not acknowledge it's the balance shaft, even with letters from other shops, they told me to take it to the shops who wrote the letter then and get it fixed. Any ideas how to get them to fix it? |
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| turbo95talon |
| I have been calling them and have been hung up on. I'll call the head office tomorrow but i imagine its a long drawn out process to get my car fixed, can another chrysler shop fix their mistake without charging me? |
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| MightyMidget |
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Originally posted by turbo95talon
They say the bad vibration was caused by the kn fipk and 3" exhaust which i had on my car prior to bringing it in. I told them im not a mechanic but im no idiot. They will not acknowledge it's the balance shaft, even with letters from other shops, they told me to take it to the shops who wrote the letter then and get it fixed. Any ideas how to get them to fix it?
they are full of shit......how the fuck does an intake and exhaust cause a vibration from the engine? They are bending you over...
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| turbo95talon |
| will having driven the car 25 km with an out of phase balance shaft or oil sproket cause any long term damage to my engine? |
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| dmak_el |
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Originally posted by turbo95talon
will having driven the car 25 km with an out of phase balance shaft or oil sproket cause any long term damage to my engine?
No, the bs belt does nothing but to stop some vibration.
http://members.shaw.ca/costall/1000Q/
should be some useful info there |
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| ChromeDragon |
Call them up and bring Valerie Ozkowski with you when you head down to get it fixed. Don't give up and pay though.
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by MightyMidget
they are full of shit......how the fuck does an intake and exhaust cause a vibration from the engine? They are bending you over...
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An open element air filter can cause a lot of vibration if it starts sucking hot, underhood air in instead of the cool air it's expecting.
I'm not saying that's his problem (Obviously not if 3-4 shops say it's the BS), but that can cause quite a few problems because of the hot air (especially on a turbocharged engine). |
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| ChromeDragon |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
An open element air filter can cause a lot of vibration if it starts sucking hot, underhood air in instead of the cool air it's expecting.
I'm not saying that's his problem (Obviously not if 3-4 shops say it's the BS), but that can cause quite a few problems because of the hot air (especially on a turbocharged engine).
This doesn't make any sense. Yes the hot air can lower oxygen density in the intake air, but this will not cause imbalance in the engine. The difference between 40 degree air and 10 degree air is pretty negligible at idle.
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon
This doesn't make any sense. Yes the hot air can lower oxygen density in the intake air, but this will not cause imbalance in the engine. The difference between 40 degree air and 10 degree air is pretty negligible at idle.
Chromey
Actually it does.
Have you noticed guys who make heat shields for their air filters?
Most of the domestic guys who don't have ram air and use an open element have something to shield the heated air (Which get's fairly warm from the glowing red headers) so it doesn't go into the engine.
How do I know this? I run open element on my Z28. And I fixed my buddies Renault - which would stall when it was hot in the summer because of the open element.
Still not enough proof?
http://www.ca.dsm.org/cgi/ultimateb...ic;f=7;t=001736
He datalogged it and everything (Last post). |
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| ChromeDragon |
| I never disagreed that it would run warmer and could possibly cause power loss, but it does not cause engine vibrations. The reason that DSM was stalling was because the factory computer couldn't compensate for the extra air flow. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon
I never disagreed that it would run warmer and could possibly cause power loss, but it does not cause engine vibrations. The reason that DSM was stalling was because the factory computer couldn't compensate for the extra air flow.
Poor idle causes vibrations as the car comes close to stalling.... |
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| mitsuman |
How did the other shops verify that the balance shaft is out of sinc? Only way to do it is to remove the lower timing belt cover and align all the timing marks to TDC.
I suppose you can get Global Trouble-shooter on the job... bad publicity on TV is never wanted!
Then again, if it was me, I would eliminate those balance shafts all together. The little belt is a disaster waiting to happen as 9/10 times it will fail first and derail the timing belt! I recommend Zippy's Auto for this job as they have the most experience with the DSM's |
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| stealth |
| dont whatever u do and i mean dont give up. they are bithces, and will pay up, go in there today and start cussing infront of everyone, and if they say they will get the police, tell them fine, they can sort things out for you. lol. |
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| ChromeDragon |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
Poor idle causes vibrations as the car comes close to stalling....
If the car is running close to stalling then you have bigger problems to worry about. A properly installed/calibrated intake system should not affect the cars idling. Even if there is an effect had by the mod, the engine's computer should be able to compensate by adding fuel to control the idle. Once again, this has nothing to do with balance shafts causing vibrations.
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| turbo95talon |
| The other shops said it was the balance shaft or oil sproket because of the way it was acting, idle was fine only @ 4000 rpm and above was it vibrating. they couldnt think of anything else that would cause that all of a sudden after a belt change. I went into the dealers this morning with my uncle and he tore into them and they agreed to take a look at it, guess they just didnt take me serious cause im young. It's in there at the moment. |
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| mitsuman |
| Just out of curiosity, which dealership? |
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| turbo95talon |
| it was anderson motors. They checked out the car and said nothing was wrong, so i brought it to another shop and had them do the screwdriver test and it proved to be out of time, and they also found out that the dealership severly dented in my oil pan with their jackstand. They wrote a letter with the amount and the cause and i spoke to the owner and he coverd it. so all is good now |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by turbo95talon
it was anderson motors. They checked out the car and said nothing was wrong, so i brought it to another shop and had them do the screwdriver test and it proved to be out of time, and they also found out that the dealership severly dented in my oil pan with their jackstand. They wrote a letter with the amount and the cause and i spoke to the owner and he coverd it. so all is good now
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