| 2HIGH~PSI |
i was looking to get a bike, but because im only a beginner i would go with a 600. i just dont know which bike is best value
Yamaha r6
honda cbr 600 RR
suzuki gsxr 600
kawasaki ninja 600
i like the look of the R6 the best :p , but i can get a killer deal on the RR...what does everyone here think?? |
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| SpecV_Ryder2 |
question is, have you ridden before? how many years? did you take the msf course?
I have the '04 R6 and this bike can haul ass.
If you've never ridden one, I suggest something small like a ninja500r. Anyone can start on a 600ss but better respect that or it's gonna buck you off. Just my .02 cents
As far as the other bikes go, the 6rr seat is like sitting on a brick. just hard on the ass. looks wise, it's alright with the undertail look. the ninja, just sat on it, but nothing really special.
I took the R6 instead because it's lighter and more manueverable in corners and looks wise, it's nice because of the projector headlights. |
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| Flex |
really all the 600's are great bikes. It all comes down to personal preference as to which one you want. They all haul ass and you will never come close to reaching their potentials on the street. So go with the one you like the feel and look of best and no matter which one you choose you won't be disappointed.
On a side note starting out on a 600 can be a good or bad thing depending on you. If you have good sense and restraint then riding a 600 for your first bike is fine.....its all in how much you twist the throttle. If you think you are gonna be tempted to see what it can do then maybe starting out on a smaller bike would be a better idea.
Taking one of the safety courses wil really help you plus let you know what kind of rider you are. |
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| MightyMidget |
yeah what they said ^^.^^
rommel we have to go riding again.....you should be able to open that biach up now:p .....btw my bike will walk any 600SS :lol:
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| Mr_Wibbly |
starting on a 600 isn't a big deal. i started on a 750 just fine
but if you're JUST starting the LAST THING you should be doing is looking at brand new bikes. it's just a waste of money. you'll have to get full coverage on your insurance which will be between 13 and 18 hundred bucks a year, even though you're only riding for half that. and you'll dump it almost guaranteed anyway.
for your first year AT LEAST get a used bike, if you dump it, no biggie, then sell it and buy a new one once you've become a much better rider.
there's nothing worse than seeing a brand new bike with scratches all down the side... |
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| HJr |
EVERYONE dumps it at LEAST once, dont make it an expensive 04 fairing, make it an inexpensice 91 fairing :bthumbup:
I will jump on the bandwagon and go ahead and say dont get a sport 600 for your first bike. These bikes are nothing like they used to be, the new 600's are basically equivilant to an early-mid 90's ducati, and no one would ever recommend getting a bike like a ducati as your first.
Some folks say "i survived a 600 or even 1000cc sport bike" yayyy, it is possible, but you dont learn riding skills as well. When you want to learn how to race cars, you dont go off and jump into a F1 car, you start with go carts. Same deal.
there are pleantly of dropable bikes bike with pleanty of go around. |
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| Flex |
I disagree about starting out on a 600......I would say 1999-2000 CBR 600 would be an excellent bike to start on. Very comfortable, handles very well and isnt jumpy power, nice and smooth.
Plus when you do get better at riding it also has the power for when you want to giver as well. |
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| Bubba |
| ya, i agree, i started riding a YSR 80 when i was 14. it sure did help learning, even if it was only an 80. if your just starting out, go for a 600, then once your comfortable riding it and get bored with the power, upgrade to a bigger bike |
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| Snowcrash |
I've wiped out on my bike at least a dozen times, so I'm good to go on an R1 now! Right?
Actually I like the idea of starting out with an older bike. I've riden a couple ninja 500's and a 1100 cruiser. The ninja's were fun, but the xs 1100 was odd and heavy.
All the times I've wiped out have been on dirt bikes except the time I wiped out on the xs 1100 while driving it like a dirt bike in the mud. Go figure. |
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| slikz |
I started on a 750 last august... i'm getting rid of that thing and most likely getting a 900rr (a 96 or so). I can handle it easily :\
I'm getting rid of it (zx-7r) because my body is way too short for that thing and I have to do some insane lean angles w/ my lower back to reach the clipons.
With the 900, the tank is a lot shorter, also... I'm going to put on some different bars (go to a motocross bar setup) and fully streetfighter that one as well.
Also, the 900 is a stunt machine and can take a beating (with a cage on it of course :p) |
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| SpecV_Ryder2 |
If you're mature to ride a bike, anyone can start on any bike, hell I almost bought the new R1 and I've driven a 2000 R6 couple years ago and just got my '04 R6. know your limits and respect the damn thing.pace yourself at riding and you should have no problem. The reason I didn't take the R1, it's edmonton,shitty roads everywhere and no twisties..don't even consider Groat road..that place is just a death trap with people crashing against the sidewall,being run over and people getting decapitated. I say tihs because every damn summer I gaurantee, there's gonna be people wiping out. Take it to the track people. Personally, I think there is no place for higher cc's in edmonton.but that's just my opinion.
As far as buying new, I did this instead of used because god knows what the previous owner did to it.Especially used SS bikes, they're usually beaten to death.
start off whatever you want and just RESPECT the power or the thing is gonna buck you off.
Ride safe and rubber side down:bthumbup: |
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| busychild07 |
Maturity has a lot to do with it but getting your skills down as far as riding is the main thing, to do that you need a reasonably friendly bike. I started out on my Ducati 748BP and I found it to be a reasonably tame bike for power delivery, but it drove me nuts because it handled like a pig in the city, the steering lock sucked, and low speed handling wasn't the nicest. Once it got going though it was knee down everywhere. Of those you mentioned I would go with the plain F4I Honda because it's just an all around friendly bike and the position isn't as focused as the rest but is still a pretty good looker.
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| MightyMidget |
yeah I love my 650 V-twin but I have been thinking lately and I want something with more power and handles better. I was going to go with either the R6 or the Kawi 636. I have now changed my mind to either the Kawi 636 of the honda 600RR. blah so many choices!!!! :mad:
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| busychild07 |
I would go with the 600RR mainly because of the awesome rear suspension setup that allows powering out of corners without the risk of lifting the front. Also you just can't argue with the styling either, looks so close to the RCV 211 and those underseat pipes = sex. I only wish it came with 5 spoke wheels instead of the 3. Definately gonna buy one eventually, not sure if the Super Hawk/Firestorm will come first. The 636 is a great bike with good midrange, but I'm just not sure of the build quality and that's coming from a Kawasaki owner.
Andrew |
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| bmwboyz |
I have only been riding for a bit now, and i have driven my zx6rr and my buddies cbr600rr, seroiusly the cbr is just not nearly as fun, its seat postion is really relaxed compared to my bike and the power does not seem as plentiful in first gear, as well as the weight...30lbs more that is just crazy. it also seems kinda cheap cause it has a platic tank cover for some reason.
that is my opinion on the cbr600rr anyway. they look hot though thats for sure. i say get a zx6rr or zx6r 636 or a R6, but really they are all basically the same.
oh and if your shorter the R6 i think is better you can plant your feet on the ground, i am tippy toes on my bike :blink:
ne ways that what i have to say |
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| busychild07 |
I agree on the fun factor between the two, but as a track day weapon I believe the Honda to be a more pliable machine especially on powering out of corners, its isolated pivot prevents rear suspension compression under power so if you're thinking of stunting it isn't a wheely machine like the green machine. The plastic tank cover is because it's actually the airbox and the tank has been put lower and I believe under the seat. I think the Honda is definately the easiest to push to the limit. The power delivery on the Kawi is harsher which I definately like. Essentially though all of the machines are the same. The R6's factory front tire's side wall is one section too thin and leads to unpredicatable handling at the limit, mainly lowsides, not a problem if you aren't planning on tracking the bike.
The one thing I know you'll miss going to an inline 4 is the V twin thump, you'll have the straight line pull but you can't thump around and be lazy with the gears as much.
I agree with the tippy toes thing, my 748 always has me on my tippy toes and it gets damn annoying. The new 749 has the shortest seat height of the 600's, but that's only if you can find $17k, I'm still looking.
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| m3the01 |
I luv it hwo people say the r6 cause its light is easy in the corners. How long have you been riding my man, just because shes light doesnt mean she flicts easy. I have two bikes a 600rr and a 2002 GSXR600 and sorry but the 600rr is heavier and twice as smooth and quick to flick in the corners. Also the honda seat is perfectly fine, are you here to be sitting up looking around or riding that bike.
As for bikes get whatever you feel the most comfortable on, also i have had many bikes and never dropped one. Dont give me that shit about not pushing it, cause i will throw ten pairs of dainese used knee pucks at you and 3 left sidi race vert toe sliders too. But again ive been riding since i was 8 years old now i just turned 23. Insurance full coverage $630.00 each bike. I have not even started riding this season, i my opinion anyone who has is a complete idiot. Many of my friends have already gone done this year. These are extremely experienced riders, over 6 years of riding. All who have gone down was because of gravel. Yeah guys its fine riding in and out fo the gravel when you knwo shes coming but in an emergency count 100% on going down this time of year in any little emergency.
Good Luck and ride safe, get whatever 600 tickles your ass. |
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| Flex |
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Originally posted by m3the01
But again ive been riding since i was 8 years old now i just turned 23. I have not even started riding this season, i my opinion anyone who has is a complete idiot.
Didn't know they gave out motorcycle license to people at 8
If your referring to dirt bikes its night and day riding. And your statement about people starting to ride already being complete idiots is pretty ignorant.
I have been riding dirt bikes since I could walk and riding street bikes sine 16........Im now 33. So I do have a few miles and some experience under my belt. And you are right about the gravel being bad.........but maybe you should change your statement to dont ride like an idiot when the gravels out. I have never gone down because of gravel. So maybe your friends arent as experienced as you think. |
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| m3the01 |
Yes that statement was directed at dirtbikes, i had my first 125cc honda when i was 8. Could barely touch the ground. Now that was fun. I can give you 3 people who have been riding for over 20 years who have gone down cause of gravel. Dont think it cant happen to you, in an emergency lets say on the highway your stopped and a semi-Truck doesnt see the traffic stopped. Best reaction for you is to take the pullout lane to get out of danger. If there is not much time, then you can count on yourself going down.
Good luck, sounds like you most likely have some experience.
Ride safe |
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| Flex |
Oh Im totally not arguing with you about the gravel.....yes it is a huge hazard and you have to be very careful of it when riding early in the year. And also Im not saying it could never happen to me either. But I adjust my riding according to my surrounds. Experience has taught me that.
Also this is alberta........there is always gravel on the sides of the highway, no matter what time of the year it is. So if you wait til the roads are totally gravel free.....Im afraid you in for a pretty short riding season.
Didnt want to come over harsh or anythig but that one statement you made about people taking their bikes out now are idiots kinda pissed me off.........cause I am one of them.
Anyways ride safe when you do get your bike out....:D |
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| m3the01 |
Sorry but even statists show there are more accidents in early season in alberta Vs. later season. I guess your not on the highway much or you would know the street cleaners also traverse the highways. I know cause i spend enough time riding my motorcycle and riding my mountain bike on the shoulder out to my cabin. Like i said if you have your bike out before this week you should re examine your riding. How many times have you gone down????? Ive stuck to no bike 'till last week of may for 8 years now and have not gone down street riding yet. The closest call was first week of june last year on the new bike coming to a residential intersection when a guy flew out his driveway. Hit gravel locked up the rear and luckily not the front.
Ride hard, live long...
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by m3the01
I guess your not on the highway much or you would know the street cleaners also traverse the highways.
OK sure :rolleyes: |
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| m3the01 |
mwdguy are you kidding, call the alberta transportation and they will tell.
Funny stuff,:p |
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| Flex |
I have many miles of highway riding. I have rode all over alberta and BC and into California. And the roads dont get any better thru the year. I have only had one bike accident and that was due to an idiot that pulled out in front of me on the highway. And it was in August and I slid in the middle of the road.........nothing to do with gravel.
I have taken my bike out as early as April when its nice and ride according to the surrounds....and I have had this policy for 17 years and I have never gone down because of the road conditions.
So if your going by statistics........it is proven that the months we first get snow there are alot more car accidents then normal. Are you gonna park your car for the first few months of winter til everyone gets used to the roads????? Or are you gonna drive according to the conditions. |
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| m3the01 |
Nope but i am going to park my bike till the last week of May. Honestly i really really cant believe you dont thing they do cleaning on the highway. I think that is so funny cause having a cabin on Lac St. Anne for 15 years i gone out there many many times and i have seen the cleaners many many times. Even a couple times when i rode my mountain bike out there i pulled off the shoulder so he could go by.
Good luck, ride whenever you want. Inexperienced riders dont need anything else out there thats going to cause them problems. Ive seen it so many times, im finished with this topic. Ride when you please, dont start crying when your bike is trashed and your legs flipped around the other way.
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| Flex |
I never said they ont clean the highways, but theres always gravel and crap on the shoulders all year long. I drive on the highway twice a week........I know how the highways are.
And everyones entitled to their opinion on when they want to take their bike out. You pick later.......I and many people don't wait that long as our riding season isn't very long and I like to put as many miles on as I can. And I do.
Its all about riding smart.........in 17 years of riding around alberta I ride smart. And am very aware of the road conditions no mater what time of year. So have your opinion but saying people that dont share yours are complete idiots is BS.
I see your opinion and respect it.........but you can't obviously respect someone elses.
And in my opinion theres a hell of alot worse things on the road to get a rider then gravel.
Enough for me to
Keep the shiny side up..........:D |
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