| impulser |
| Anyone goin? I didnt even realize it was this weekend |
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| Mekanik22 |
| WHERE IS IT?! I'M GOING! |
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| SilverZ24 |
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Originally posted by impulser
Anyone goin? I didnt even realize it was this weekend
I didn't know either. Usually it is in July and usually they advertise quite a bit.
If it actually is this Sunday (according to budparks site) then I will probably go, but I can't find any info on JB's website... :dunno: |
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| Xx D-MAN xX |
| It's not this weekend but next weekend. June 20th I believe... |
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| energie |
| ya according to their pocket calender of events i have it says its on June 20, i was there last year and the import scene wasn't too big, mostly muscle cars, so i don't know if i'm going. |
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| impulser |
Call JB's, i think the pocket calendar has a typo, pretty sure its this weekend
No advertisement or hype at all though |
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| Markis |
| The event is this weekend guys! |
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| Xx D-MAN xX |
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Originally posted by Markis
The event is this weekend guys!
Ah crap! Is V8less doing a show & shine? |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by Markis
The event is this weekend guys!
And SCC is rescheduled to... when? :dunno:
What's the expected support for imports at JB's this year? The event poster on the JB's site only has a tiny mention of imports on it.
Is it going to be like 5 imports and 95+ domestics? How many runs are the imports likely to get? Is it even worth going or should we hold out for an SCC? |
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| TylerH |
| Last year the event was a disappointment with respect to imports, lots of muscle cars if your into that though :rolleyes: |
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| Insomniac |
BAM
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| Xx D-MAN xX |
| With the dissappointing turnout last fall, I doubt I'll be going... There is no mention of a show & shine either :dunno: |
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| ChromeDragon |
This is the attitude that made it a big failure for imports last year. Quite frankly I'm surprised that Jim Bell is even bothering with calling it the battle of the imports anymore with the lack of support from the import community. If I'm not working I'll be going out to help support the import community.
Chromey |
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| energie |
| :thumbsdow the import turnout was crappy last year, probably even worse this year cuse of the date being changed and its $14:thumbsdow |
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| 92_J |
| I wasnt impressed at all last year...but thats just me...I was going there thinkin it would be at least alittle competitive |
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| THEONE |
| If you weren't impressed and you weren't signed up racing bitch at all the guys that didn't bother to come out not JB's. What do you guys want them to come wake you up and drive you down to the race?:dunno: |
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| TylerH |
If it were actually import oriented like so many claim, then all they would allow would be sport compact cars. What I see here is an attempt by JB's to profit off of both racing groups (muscle cars and imports), just maybe thats the reason why there isn't a lot of support from the import community - there arn't imports there. I love going out to import events to support the whole 'scene' but for events like this... I'll pass.
my $0.02 |
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| THEONE |
| Well if thats the case why don't we have a Honda V8less day, and a Mazda V8less day, and a Talon V8less day????:dunno: The whole point is diversity, and they have price money and a chance to see some fast cars what more can you want?:dunno: The point was also made that if enough imports started showing up then they would make the battle of the imports a one day event for just imports but if no one comes out then why would they bother. If all the people that sit back and bitch would have come out last year there would have been a whole day dedicated to imports this year!:mad: |
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| TylerH |
I actually went last year, but that really is besides the point.
I do agree with you about diversity Ron, but it's well known that the muscle car guys don't exactly respect the import community and i'm sure that works in reverse.
What my point is, if it is "Battle of the Imports", that title has connotations that come with it. To me it sounds a lot like an import (can be translated into sport compact) event, and that it is not. |
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| impulser |
| JB's standpoint last year and i am sure this year as well is that with track costs, safety and security making an import only event is not cost efficient based on previous years turnout's. I think as far as overall import content the best i have seen for a JB's event was back in 2001 |
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| Inzane |
I think we're stuck with a chicken or the egg thing here.
I haven't been to a JB's event for at least two years. But my observation was:
- it sucked, at least for the import competitors
therefore
- less imports want to come out next time
which means
- JB's loses some motivation to host next time and cutbacks are made
which in turn causes
- the next event to suck even more for the import crowd
and so on.
etc.
Now as you see, compared to even last year, they've cut out most of the import classes.
You now can choose your method of defeat:
1) enter Heads-Up competition in the "Outlaw" class (which allows EVERYTHING) and compete for one trophy (maybe a 2nd place too?) against the likes of THEONE, Mau's Supra?, and that Dodge Shelby thing from Calgary (all comfortably LOW-11 or better).
OR
2) enter the BRACKET class and compete against 16-second Civics with slush-boxes (that can run consistently slow all day long), again for one trophy (and maybe 2nd place?).
Not to mention the 5%/95% import to domestic ratio and the import competitors will get how many practice runs before it really counts? Two?
I know my post sounds very pessimistic but where is the motivation on the import competitor's side to jump in there eagerly to spend their $50?
SCC to me = $40 for 10-12 fun runs, whether you win or lose, in a setting and environment conducive to the growth and enjoyment of the import scene, not mullets and pushrods. |
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| Ninja III |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
I know my post sounds very pessimistic but where is the motivation on the import competitor's side to jump in there eagerly to spend their $50?
SCC to me = $40 for 10-12 fun runs, whether you win or lose, in a setting and environment conducive to the growth and enjoyment of the import scene, not mullets and pushrods. [/B]
Here here, I agree. In fact I would rather pay the $50 and get the 10-12 runs and not win anything but just to go out to support the import scene and have fun. |
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| TrevorK |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
SCC to me = $40 for 10-12 fun runs, whether you win or lose, in a setting and environment conducive to the growth and enjoyment of the import scene, not mullets and pushrods.
First off, I love people who somehow think pushrods = inferior technology. Ignorance is bliss I guess....
Your post was logical and made sense until you threw in that stereotype at the end.
And you wonder why they act the way they do towards you guys? |
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| TylerH |
| Your one of THEM arn't you! :lol: |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by TrevorK
First off, I love people who somehow think pushrods = inferior technology. Ignorance is bliss I guess....
Your post was logical and made sense until you threw in that stereotype at the end.
I never inferred that pushrods = inferior, and that was never the point. Pushrod technology (good or bad) is NOT the embodiment of the import scene, period.
Yeah I made a stereotype, sorry if I offended you... but I could just have easily said muscle cars, instead of "mullets and pushrods". If 90% of the cars there are muscle cars, and at least 90% of those have pushrod engines, then whether I said pushrods or muscle cars, does it really make any difference? I think people got my point.
The few imports that go will be smothered by the domestic muscle car culture (whatever you want to describe that as...). I'll state my real point again... the JB's event is NOT conducive to the import scene (or culture). |
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| Ninja III |
quote:
Originally posted by TrevorK
First off, I love people who somehow think pushrods = inferior technology. Ignorance is bliss I guess....
Your post was logical and made sense until you threw in that stereotype at the end.
And you wonder why they act the way they do towards you guys?
I guess I forgot to remove the mullets and pushrods off the quote. Sorry guys, I love the old muscle cars as the next, quote,"mullets and pushrods". In fact I grew up with the old big blocks. :) I try not to stereotype anything, so if I offended anyone, sorry. |
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| MATRIX MOTORSPORTS |
:dunno: I know there's a huge underlying "V8s vs. Sport Compacts" stigma surrounding the JB's events.
What's a matter with you guys????????
Isn't it all about having fun and going fast? I mean; I'm obviously biassed since I drive a sport compact but I also respect the cars and the people that don't! I can't say that I've seen any sport compact out at the track that has run anything resembling a 10 second pass. Now take a look at the white, twin turbo regal that comes up from BC regularly to these events. 2 turbos, a small block, upwards of 1400hp, and still fully street legal with a stereo that runs Mid 8s! Now you tell me that this car was put together by a mullet wearing hick? :confused:
You guys have to take your OHC pride and check it at the gate! Until you can compete with the turn out, the power, and the times of the V8s; quit whining!!!!!
I'm amazed JB's even bothered with Imports this year; you guys don't seem to want to support the event. I'd imagine that if there are 13 imports again this year they'll scrap the event for next year and you guys can thank yourselves for that!
If you can't afford it; fine. If you'd like more runs; go to a street legal; if you don't like V8s; don't go. And finally, if you like bitching about an event on an internet board rather than trying to improve the event by showing that there is interst out there; STAY HOME! :drama:
Sorry to go off, but I enjoy the event and it was really something 3 years ago when you'd have 50 or 60 imports show up and want to have a good time. Maybe it'll become that again someday; maybe it'll disappear, the choice is up to YOU!
Karl :beer:
(The views expressed are that of the author and not those of Matrix Motorsports!) |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by MATRIX MOTORSPORTS
:dunno: I know there's a huge underlying "V8s vs. Sport Compacts" stigma surrounding the JB's events.
What's a matter with you guys????????
Isn't it all about having fun and going fast? I mean; I'm obviously biassed since I drive a sport compact but I also respect the cars and the people that don't! I can't say that I've seen any sport compact out at the track that has run anything resembling a 10 second pass. Now take a look at the white, twin turbo regal that comes up from BC regularly to these events. 2 turbos, a small block, upwards of 1400hp, and still fully street legal with a stereo that runs Mid 8s! Now you tell me that this car was put together by a mullet wearing hick?
You guys have to take your OHC pride and check it at the gate! Until you can compete with the turn out, the power, and the times of the V8s; quit whining!!!!!
I'm amazed JB's even bothered with Imports this year; you guys don't seem to want to support the event. I'd imagine that if there are 13 imports again this year they'll scrap the event for next year and you guys can thank yourselves for that!
If you can't afford it; fine. If you'd like more runs; go to a street legal; if you don't like V8s; don't go. And finally, if you like bitching about an event on an internet board rather than trying to improve the event by showing that there is interst out there; STAY HOME!
Sorry to go off, but I enjoy the event and it was really something 3 years ago when you'd have 50 or 60 imports show up and want to have a good time. Maybe it'll become that again someday; maybe it'll disappear, the choice is up to YOU!
Whoa... you're missing my point in most of your post I think.
Again, I never said muscle cars are bad or they don't deserve respect for being fast, or any of that crap. Who cares about that right now... we're talking about what's left for the import guy.
And who said anything about the relative times that the imports and domestics are running vs. each other? Who cares.... that's not the point of this debate, at least it wasn't my point when I jumped in.
Of course its all about having fun and going fast! But... I'll ask you this. How MUCH fun is it when you're an import participant and you have to put up with:
- $50 entry fee
- LONG day, from 8:30AM to 6:00PM because lots of delays can and DO happen at these JB's events (much moreso than SCCs!) - reasons have varied - from people not having their shit together to having to wait after another muscle car has dumped coolant all down the track (sigh....), etc.
- sitting tucked over in the 8th staging lane and getting completely forgotten about because the 10-20 cars there can't get noticed by the track staff next to the 7 lanes full of domestic muscle. So we wait and wait and wait for another run... Oh yeah I forgot we're having fun right? (and sure you say why not bring MORE imports?... well, if there are a 100 domestics already and you have 20 imports, that's 120 cars..... make it 50 imports and that's 150 cars total and your number of runs get even worse... SCC events have a racing participant cap, I'm not aware whether JB's does or not but just bringing more imports is not necessarily going to help the quality of the event for imports without some kind of reduction of # of domestics at the same time).
- announcers who praise and praise the various muscle cars, and then nary a mention for the import car (whatever it is) when they go up. See, even the announcers and staff of bud park sometimes don't do a good job of hiding THEIR bias towards domestics.
Tell me honestly when you saw 50 to 60 imports at a JB's event? I was there in 2000 and 2001, and I can't remember if I went in 2002, but I never saw that many imports at a JB's event ever. |
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| Ninja III |
| I think all in all, more runs mean more fun. Who cares who you run against. If it's a 100hp civic or a 1000hp regal, who cares. Let's be honest, we go out to have fun, JB's do it to make MONEY. And if it's not at the event, it's at the store. Good for them. The events they put together are great in many ways, just needs a little better project management. Nelson, and Jim do a great job. Right now as it stands, for $50.00 you get 2 qualifying runs nd at least one elimination run. Now if they bump it up to 2-4 practice runs at the beginning, that would be great. No complains otherwise.:bthumbup: |
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| TrevorK |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
I never inferred that pushrods = inferior, and that was never the point. Pushrod technology (good or bad) is NOT the embodiment of the import scene, period.
Yeah I made a stereotype, sorry if I offended you... but I could just have easily said muscle cars, instead of "mullets and pushrods". If 90% of the cars there are muscle cars, and at least 90% of those have pushrod engines, then whether I said pushrods or muscle cars, does it really make any difference? I think people got my point.
The few imports that go will be smothered by the domestic muscle car culture (whatever you want to describe that as...). I'll state my real point again... the JB's event is NOT conducive to the import scene (or culture).
There is an easy way to change this.
Why don't you guys work with JBs?
The next one is in August. Why don't you guys get together, get people to register in advance (Shouldn't be hard - people know they're gonna race). This way, you're showing JBs that it can be done.
If it continues like this, it'll get worse and worse EVERY YEAR until it goes away. All it takes is a little organization by someone working WITH JB's to create the classes, guarentee entries (Hell, even give them the $$$ ahead of time contigent if there's a rainout you get it back) and you'll see a change.
But do you expect them to create 5 classes, and have 1-2 cars in each class everytime for you? Hell no.
In fact, why doesn't a SHOP take charge and organize this with a group of individuals? Or better yet - where's V8Less in this whole thing? |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by TrevorK
There is an easy way to change this.
Why don't you guys work with JBs?
The next one is in August. Why don't you guys get together, get people to register in advance (Shouldn't be hard - people know they're gonna race). This way, you're showing JBs that it can be done.
If it continues like this, it'll get worse and worse EVERY YEAR until it goes away. All it takes is a little organization by someone working WITH JB's to create the classes, guarentee entries (Hell, even give them the $$$ ahead of time contigent if there's a rainout you get it back) and you'll see a change.
But do you expect them to create 5 classes, and have 1-2 cars in each class everytime for you? Hell no.
In fact, why doesn't a SHOP take charge and organize this with a group of individuals? Or better yet - where's V8Less in this whole thing?
Excellent points Trevor.
And I would be willing to help out but two things would prevent it right now: 1) I'm fairly involved with my own car club at the moment and its hard enough trying to motivate them to participate in events, let alone the whole import scene. 2) I'm getting married in August.
But this is definately something I would consider taking a more active role in next year, provided there are people to help and its not dumped on one person. |
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| turbobug |
Now if they bump it up to 2-4 practice runs at the beginning, that would be great. No complains otherwise.:bthumbup: [/B][/QUOTE]
We are opening the track at 9:30AM for hotlapping. I know there will be lots of cars running laps but it is free of charge before the qualifying. Try getting as many runs as you can if you feel that will make your money worthwhile.
The turnout will be as good as the import/sport compact scene will support. There will always be the hardcore guys out at our event and it is up to the bench racers to come out and show support, not just to JB's but to the whole import/sport compact community.
FYI - 2001 BOI car counts 48, 59
- 2002 BOI car coutns 55, 64 |
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i would come and race my car, i just think 50 is a lil to steep for me, and i wont get enough runs.
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| redbaron303 |
Didn't JB's have a "work with us day" last year before their last years BOI?
Anyways, I have gone to the events for the last couple of years and there are some might impressive machines out there. I love seeing some of the muscle that I don't usually see running the streets hot lapping down the track. I dislike having to put up with those useless diesel trucks as cool as it is to see them crack off an 11 or 12 second run w/ the arc welder in the back! What really dissapoints me is the lack of imports/scc cars out there, we really don't hold a chance against the competition #'s wise (especially from last year - there were more diesel trucks racing than we had support).
I think it's wonderfull that JB's is hosting this event even with the lack of support in recent years. I think that the SCC/Import guys should head out to this event b/c the first SCC was already cancelled (due to weather) and this could be a good "make up event." I would be more than willing to come out and race, but I doubt my 89 Jeep will make it down the track w/ out blowing up! :( I still may come out and spectate for the event & I hope that if I'm in the stands with other enthusiasts that there are more than 12 friggin imports/sc cars there to show off on the track.
This event has the potential to be great all around, but I do think that JB's stigma is that of being associated and promoting of mainly the MUSCLE/american car scene. I guess we'll see how well they do this time and I hope that we all can offer the support to show that we WANT more events oriented to the Sport Compact scene!
I hope this makes sense to more than one of you :) |
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| Kirill |
quote:
Originally posted by THEONE
If you weren't impressed and you weren't signed up racing bitch at all the guys that didn't bother to come out not JB's. What do you guys want them to come wake you up and drive you down to the race?:dunno:
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| Pro Drag |
| The post above this one is actually mine. |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by THEONE
Well if thats the case why don't we have a Honda V8less day, and a Mazda V8less day, and a Talon V8less day????:dunno: The whole point is diversity, and they have price money and a chance to see some fast cars what more can you want?:dunno: The point was also made that if enough imports started showing up then they would make the battle of the imports a one day event for just imports but if no one comes out then why would they bother. If all the people that sit back and bitch would have come out last year there would have been a whole day dedicated to imports this year!:mad:
Another good point. |
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| 2003specv |
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Originally posted by impulser
JB's standpoint last year and i am sure this year as well is that with track costs, safety and security making an import only event is not cost efficient based on previous years turnout's.
So V8less loses money at their events? ;) |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by MATRIX MOTORSPORTS
:dunno: I know there's a huge underlying "V8s vs. Sport Compacts" stigma surrounding the JB's events.
What's a matter with you guys????????
Isn't it all about having fun and going fast? I mean; I'm obviously biassed since I drive a sport compact but I also respect the cars and the people that don't! I can't say that I've seen any sport compact out at the track that has run anything resembling a 10 second pass. Now take a look at the white, twin turbo regal that comes up from BC regularly to these events. 2 turbos, a small block, upwards of 1400hp, and still fully street legal with a stereo that runs Mid 8s! Now you tell me that this car was put together by a mullet wearing hick? :confused:
You guys have to take your OHC pride and check it at the gate! Until you can compete with the turn out, the power, and the times of the V8s; quit whining!!!!!
I'm amazed JB's even bothered with Imports this year; you guys don't seem to want to support the event. I'd imagine that if there are 13 imports again this year they'll scrap the event for next year and you guys can thank yourselves for that!
If you can't afford it; fine. If you'd like more runs; go to a street legal; if you don't like V8s; don't go. And finally, if you like bitching about an event on an internet board rather than trying to improve the event by showing that there is interst out there; STAY HOME! :drama:
Sorry to go off, but I enjoy the event and it was really something 3 years ago when you'd have 50 or 60 imports show up and want to have a good time. Maybe it'll become that again someday; maybe it'll disappear, the choice is up to YOU!
Karl :beer:
Post of the thread so far.:bthumbup:
I only hear whining from a select few people every time a thread like this comes up. Put up or shut up. If you ante up and compete, then you have a voice, otherwise keep your whining to yourself.
The Sivik is aching for some competition this year. It is a nice compliment by the competition to stay in the pits when it is time to race the Sivik, but it was built to play, not to do solo passes because the competition doesn't want to get embarassed. The only competitor to step up and race the Sivik last time was Mitsuman. Guess what, Mitsuman beat the Sivik in a VERY close race, one of the BEST showdowns on the Drag stip in recent years, be it import or domestic. Most of you wouldn't know, you were too busy trimming your toenails to come out and support the Import RACING scene. |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by redbaron303
Didn't JB's have a "work with us day" last year before their last years BOI?
This event has the potential to be great all around, but I do think that JB's stigma is that of being associated and promoting of mainly the MUSCLE/american car scene. I guess we'll see how well they do this time and I hope that we all can offer the support to show that we WANT more events oriented to the Sport Compact scene!
I hope this makes sense to more than one of you :)
Jim and Nelson did indeed host a "town hall" meeting to get everybodies input. Guess what, they implemented 99% of the suggestions from the Sport Compact crowd in attendance. The only problem? I think I can count on one hand the # of sport compact enthusiasts that were there voicing their opinion.
The message has always been there, if we come, they will build it.
Had the local import scene shown up like I personally expected it to at last years BOI's, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. We would all be looking forward to this city's FIRST, BIG PURSE, ALL SPORT COMPACT RACING event this weekend.
You have no idea the dissapointment I felt in the local sport compact scene after all the hard work put into the last BOI, and the resulting turnout.
I do give credit to those that did show up and enjoyed the days events, had fun, set personal bests and even took home some hardware as well as cash and gift certificates. I know those people will be out there this weekend. |
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| impulser |
quote:
Originally posted by 2003specv
So V8less loses money at their events? ;)
I was speaking about import turnout for JB's shows not V8Less.
Basing who many imports turn out for JB's shows it would be a profitless event/money losing for JB's to host their own Import event |
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| ChromeDragon |
Well I'm working on Sunday now so it looks like I won't be coming out. I was extremely dissapointed with the BOI last year. The only reason I haven't bitched is because I "won" my entry fee back by winning the burnout contest.
Paying $50 for 4 runs isn't exactly a great deal. I got 5 runs in last Friday for $20 at the street legals. I could deal with the 4 run thing if it was what everyone else was getting, but many of the V8 guys were just hot lapping and recieved upwards of 12 runs for the same money. That's just not right. |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by ChromeDragon
Well I'm working on Sunday now so it looks like I won't be coming out. I was extremely dissapointed with the BOI last year. The only reason I haven't bitched is because I "won" my entry fee back by winning the burnout contest.
Paying $50 for 4 runs isn't exactly a great deal. I got 5 runs in last Friday for $20 at the street legals. I could deal with the 4 run thing if it was what everyone else was getting, but many of the V8 guys were just hot lapping and recieved upwards of 12 runs for the same money. That's just not right.
The only hot lapping that took place, took place in the morning.
Some domestic guys did get more runs in, BECAUSE they were working their way up the MUCH LARGER elimination ladder for their class and some were able to compete in more than one class.
Want a bigger elimination ladder to climb and get more runs? ENCOURAGE your fellow enthusiast to come out and COMPETE on sunday. |
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| redbaron303 |
| Question is: will the weather hold to make for a cool event? |
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| turbobug |
JB's 14th Annual Shootout - RESCHEDULE for JUNE 20th
We have made the decision now to reschedule our 14th Annual Shootout to JUNE 20th (NEXT SUNDAY) due to poor weather condition.
Rather than getting everyone out to the track tomorrow, we have decided this morning that we will move the race to next Sunday due to the poor weather condition which will not improve by tomorrow.
We wish to see you all on the 20th! Bring the family out to watch Dad race or just have fun together at the track.
If you have any question or concern please send your message to me.
Thank you
TEAM JB's |
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| JB's Racing |
JB’s 14th Annual SHOOTOUT
Has been rescheduled to:
Sunday June 20th
This is Due to the poor weather we are experiencing today, and the lousy forecast for tomorrow. Although it is possible that we might be able to do some racing tomorrow, given the likelihood of continued rain, we felt that out best course of action was to reschedule the event for next week.
Our apologies to racers and race fans who had made plans to attend our event tomorrow.
We look forward to seeing all of you at the Shootout, now on for next Sunday, Father’s Day.
That said, this is a great opportunity for everyone to get your cars tuned up that much better for our Shootout event on Sunday June 20th. This was our original race date on the Bud Park schedule.
We are going to have a really strong contingent of fast Door Slammers & Street Cars, some running as quick as High 6, low 7 seconds, at 190+mph, as well as some Western Canada’s Fastest Nitro-Burning Top Fuel Dragster Testing with Over 6000 horsepower on tap. If that isn’t enough, how about we throw in a Blown-Alcohol Wheel-stander too?
Look for updates at: www.jbspowercentre.com
You can see our race poster at www.jbspowercentre.com/race_events_2004.html
You can also see the Budpark website at www.budpark.com or call the hotline at 780-461-7056
See you at the races next Sunday,
Race Directors, Richard Morrison, Jim Bell, Nelson Lai |
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| MATRIX MOTORSPORTS |
:mad: Sadly, with the rescheduling, I can't attend the drag races as the RX-7 Club is having an autocross that same day. I guess I'll just have to wait and see when I can haul the wagon out to the track to see if I can break 13.3 and 100mph!
Sorry guys; I've gone every year for the last 3 or 4 years and this is the first event I'm missing. It sucks but I have to try out my new to me (10 year old) 21.0 x 9.5 x 13.0 road racing slicks! :bthumbup:
Hopefully someone gets some wagon drifting footage!
Karl |
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