| should i get nitrous? - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| Nite_Rydah |
i'm undecided:dunno: ..i have a 95 talon TSi AWD..i feel that my car is now ready to handle nitrous so the idea has popped into my head..but i have a couple concerns..is it illegal? will i get in shit if i get busted with it armed/disarmed? will it destroy my properly-maintained engine if i don't use it too often?
i'd probably go with a NOS dry kit...possibly the ZEX....another reason i'm considering the idea is that i can get it for a good price and installation wouldn't cost me a dime..
what do you guys think? thanks for your input
also..(off topic) does someone know how i can change my profile? i keep getting rejected..or could a moderator change my car description..my 97 talon is totalled) |
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| dmak_el |
I think it's illegal, but it really doesn't matter as long as u don't race or use it on the street.
If it's well tune, it's not going to damage anything. But i never try nitrous, that's just what i heard.
if it's a great price, i would say go for it. |
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| mwdguy |
Get two of the big ones :lol:
Its legal as long as none is in your lines and your bottle is closed. |
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| SplineZ |
And stored properly.. i forget if its on its side, or vertical.. *shrug*
James Z
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Originally posted by mwdguy
Get two of the big ones :lol:
Its legal as long as none is in your lines and your bottle is closed.
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| TrevorK |
| Are you using the nitrous to help the turbo spool up quicker or do you want to run _2_ poweradders at once? |
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| silverTEG |
| all gas cylinders must be stored in a upright posistion |
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| chris@apex |
| If you do get a kit, you wont need to worry too much about your engine falling apart as long as you dont go crazy with the juice. Also dont even think about a dry kit if you want your engine to stay together. with proper tuning your nitrous will give you years of enjoyment. I would recomend a NX wet kit. No need for timming adjustment if you stay under a 75 shot. |
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| Neo-Blue99GASE |
| Yea, id definatly recommend a wet kit as well. Keep it as a 75 or under and you should be good to go unless you start upgrading your internals for a heavier shot. Also, you might wanted to decide on your setup as well. Like another has mentioned, do you want it for a quick spool? or for something like a WOT switch? Since im guessing your turbo is stock, id probably gor for a WOT due to the spool up time on stock turbo's is usually around 3 or 4K rpms. |
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| 1sick6 |
| Dont let your insurance company find out. Mine did and they cancelled my insurance and wont renew it even if i take it out. |
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| Nite_Rydah |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
Are you using the nitrous to help the turbo spool up quicker or do you want to run _2_ poweradders at once?
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Originally posted by Neo-Blue99GASE
Yea, id definatly recommend a wet kit as well. Keep it as a 75 or under and you should be good to go unless you start upgrading your internals for a heavier shot. Also, you might wanted to decide on your setup as well. Like another has mentioned, do you want it for a quick spool? or for something like a WOT switch? Since im guessing your turbo is stock, id probably gor for a WOT due to the spool up time on stock turbo's is usually around 3 or 4K rpms.
I obviously want my turbo to spool quicker but doubt i'd invest in a WOT switch under my gas pedal. Wouldn't it use up too much nitrous? Well, depending on how long my my car would be @ wide open throttle. Also, I think it's kind of cool manually pushing a button in your car & blasting off!
Yep, my turbo is stock. But I don't want to upgrade to a bigger turbo anytime soon because it was recently replaced FOR FREE on "warranty" (even though the car has no warranty):bthumbup: via a hookup @ Capital Jeep-Chrysler.
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Originally posted by chris@apex
dont even think about a dry kit if you want your engine to stay together.
I knew that a wet kit will give me better performance over a dry one, but I didn't know that a dry kit would be more harmful to my engine. Why is that? |
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| Keith303 |
| Can you list your mods to you car Nite_rydah |
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| SplineZ |
the WOT switch is most likely put undernieth your throttle plate pulley, and not under your gas pedal..
and Ive heard many horror stories about people hitting the 'nos' button when they are NOT at WOT.. things breaking, peices of conrods sittin in the oil pan, and generally bad stuff..
Besides, there are usually 2 buttons.. 1 to arm, and one switch under your throttle plate pulley; and the arm button only works if you've turned the nob on the top of the bottle (or have a remote bottle openener)
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| Nite_Rydah |
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Originally posted by Keith303
Can you list your mods to you car Nite_rydah
A’PEXi turbo timer
A’PEXi SAFC
A’PEXi AVCR
Fuel Pump rewire
GReddy FMIC
GReddy BOV
GReddy intercooler pipe kit
GReddy silicone hose kit
2˝” Elite down pipe
3” custom exhaust with HKS muffler & tip
NKG wires
Ingen intake
Injen polished valve cover
Injen polished oil cap
Injen polished fuse cover box
Metal head gasket kit
KVR cross driller brake kit
Ractive front & rear strut bars
Suspension Technique lowering kit
Eibach camber correction kit
AMG performance brakes
that new stock turbo i mentioned earlier
ordered an MSD ignition..should be here soon
i might add a boost controller in the near future as well
i want to post a pic of my car up but like i said in my first post..i'm restricted to do anything with my profile & options:mad: PLZZ HELPPP |
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| Keith303 |
| new stock turbo, as in the T25?, plz say no |
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| Nite_Rydah |
| yah it's the T-25 turbo..still does the job..down the road i might install a T3/T4 turbo |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by Nite_Rydah
yah it's the T-25 turbo..still does the job..down the road i might install a T3/T4 turbo
Forget about the NOS you have plenty of other things to do that will yield more and cost less.
You want to keep your T-to small yet add NOS.
Man please look into a EVO III Turbo as they are about the same price as a NOS kit not including the refills.
They will also give you more than 75 WHP with a good tune over the T-to small.
NO REFILLS and always FAST!
PS: The T-to small won't take the Delta and shock load NOS will make. |
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| curtis_rak |
Also...
You may want to go with a 3" downpipe to match the exhaust. |
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| chris@apex |
| You want a wet kit because you adding extra fuel with the extra o2 (NO2, one part nitrogin to two parts oxygen) No extra fuel and you run lean, not cool at all. dry kits are for carbs or stages of nitrous were you can control the injectors or turn on anther set when you hit the button. Adding a 75 shot is like turning up the boost anther 7psi with out the computer compainsating, BOOM!! |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by chris@apex
You want a wet kit because you adding extra fuel with the extra o2 (NO2, one part nitrogin to two parts oxygen) No extra fuel and you run lean, not cool at all. dry kits are for carbs or stages of nitrous were you can control the injectors or turn on anther set when you hit the button. Adding a 75 shot is like turning up the boost anther 7psi with out the computer compainsating, BOOM!!
A dry kit for an injected car raises FP when NOS is engaged.
That is how the matched NOS to Fuel ratio is maintained.
Dry kits are not used on Turbo cars for the following reason.
-As boost comes up your FPR raises rail pressure to maintain the proper pressure differencial between itself and the manifold.
Allowing for a proper spray pattern and mixture.
Say you use a dry system and your running 25 PSI boost that means your base FP of say 43 psi plus the needed 25 FP raise will put your pump at 68 PSI at full flow. Say your dry kit needs to also pump the FP another 25 PSI.
Some pumps won't handle 93 PSI and your engine will burn up.
That is why we go with a wet kit with a aux pump. |
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| Neo-Blue99GASE |
| Is there anyway we can stop saying NOS and say nitrous? Sorry, its just a really big pet peeve. As for the WOT swtich, yes, you first have to arm the nitrous with an arming switch. As for illegal, im prety sure its illegal for street use, in fact, im almost positive. |
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| curtis_rak |
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Originally posted by Neo-Blue99GASE
Is there anyway we can stop saying NOS and say nitrous? Sorry, its just a really big pet peeve.
...He actually specified a NOS or Zex kit in the original post. |
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| Pro Drag |
The answer to the question in the subject heading = NO
Strap an Evo III 16 G with a 3" downpipe.
The only reason to spray nitrous on a turbo car is to spool up a huge turbo. If you want more power, get a bigger turbo.
The Evo III will put out 375 HP. How much more do you want? |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by Neo-Blue99GASE
Is there anyway we can stop saying NOS and say nitrous? Sorry, its just a really big pet peeve. As for the WOT swtich, yes, you first have to arm the nitrous with an arming switch. As for illegal, im prety sure its illegal for street use, in fact, im almost positive.
NOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOS
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| DeathBy240 |
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Originally posted by v8slayer
NOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOS
NOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOSNOS
HAHAHA :owned: |
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| curtis_rak |
You know what is weird?
If you stare at the NOSNOSNOS ect....the 'N' starts to look like its backwards. :confused:
But, I digress. |
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| SplineZ |
FREAKY!
James Z
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Originally posted by curtis_rak
You know what is weird?
If you stare at the NOSNOSNOS ect....the 'N' starts to look like its backwards. :confused:
But, I digress.
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| Nite_Rydah |
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Originally posted by v8slayer
Forget about the NOS you have plenty of other things to do that will yield more and cost less.
You want to keep your T-to small yet add NOS.
Man please look into a EVO III Turbo as they are about the same price as a NOS kit not including the refills.
They will also give you more than 75 WHP with a good tune over the T-to small.
NO REFILLS and always FAST!
PS: The T-to small won't take the Delta and shock load NOS will make.
An EVO III would be much more expensive than a nitrous kit, but since you've brought it to my attention. How much do you think I could get one for including installation? Can anyone on here hook up a deal?
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Originally posted by curtis_rak
Also...
You may want to go with a 3" downpipe to match the exhaust.
I know this would give me more HP, but I would lose torque at the same time. Not really worth changing, a 2.5" downpipe is good enough for me.
Wow, great responses so far! |
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| curtis_rak |
You may see a decrease in low RPM torque, but, like Roger said in the post before mine...if you had the Evo 16g, the 3" downpipe is a no-brainer.
My suggestion would be to just save a bit more cash and go for the turbo upgrade. I think Pro Drag had that 16g for around ~$800 a while back. |
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| DomesticDrifter |
| i agree with the others on this board getting nitrous isn't the best idea. you should spend the money upgrading your t-25 to a 16g or a t3/t4. the power gains you'll get out of a new turbo will far outweigh the power gains you'll get from a dry nitrous system. get a bigger turbo, go for bigger boost then get nitrous. |
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| Keith303 |
| yah deff a new turbo, as an added bonus for upgrading the turbo to a t-28, 16G, they are way louder then stock. which is just another reason to get the turbo. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by Nite_Rydah
An EVO III would be much more expensive than a nitrous kit, but since you've brought it to my attention. How much do you think I could get one for including installation? Can anyone on here hook up a deal?
I know this would give me more HP, but I would lose torque at the same time. Not really worth changing, a 2.5" downpipe is good enough for me.
Wow, great responses so far!
Evo III 16G = $850
8-10 hours install = approx $800
Nice cool air charge at 18 lbs of boost = Priceless. |
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| Nite_Rydah |
| That's a good price Blaine. It's definately a possibility down the road. |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by Pro Drag
8-10 hours install = approx $800
8-10 hours!
Fuck bud !
It has the same manifold bolt pattern , same O2 pattern and same down pipe location.
Get a line kit and a dose of reality and do it in 2 hours max! |
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| Nite_Rydah |
| Yeah doing it myself would be much cheaper. It wouldn't be easy that's fo sho, but I think I could pull it off. If not, I'm sure I could get a buddy to help me out. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by v8slayer
8-10 hours!
Fuck bud !
It has the same manifold bolt pattern , same O2 pattern and same down pipe location.
Get a line kit and a dose of reality and do it in 2 hours max!
Go buy the line kit. I didn't include that in the price.
Pro Drag doesn't do labor, only parts. To sell labor I would need to be registered with AMVIC. Requirements would include a Licenced Journeyman mechanic. Which Pro Drag does not have on staff.
Quoted times reflect Zippy's Auto Labor guides. Based off of ALLDATA recommended labor times, provided by the OEM. Zippy's has 2 Journeymen and 1 apprentice mechanic on staff 9 hours a day. |
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| k_mac501 |
| how does pro drag not do labour you have a shop right? |
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| SplineZ |
Zippies does the install...
James Z
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Originally posted by k_mac501
how does pro drag not do labour you have a shop right?
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| k_mac501 |
| still i have been in there and the times that they give forinstallation and prices are obsurd. |
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| DomesticPWR |
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Is there anyway we can stop saying NOS
Ya guys it's NAAAAWWWWZZZZ:rolleyes:
Do yourself a favor and drop the nitrous idea for now. Your car has a lot of potential without it. Go here: http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/2gturbo/ and follow that it will net you better results without having to refill your bottle all of the time:bthumbup: |
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| chris@apex |
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Originally posted by v8slayer
A dry kit for an injected car raises FP when NOS is engaged.
That is how the matched NOS to Fuel ratio is maintained.
Dry kits are not used on Turbo cars for the following reason.
-As boost comes up your FPR raises rail pressure to maintain the proper pressure differencial between itself and the manifold.
Allowing for a proper spray pattern and mixture.
Say you use a dry system and your running 25 PSI boost that means your base FP of say 43 psi plus the needed 25 FP raise will put your pump at 68 PSI at full flow. Say your dry kit needs to also pump the FP another 25 PSI.
Some pumps won't handle 93 PSI and your engine will burn up.
That is why we go with a wet kit with a aux pump.
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Thats funny, we had a car on the Dyno with a dry kit, When the nitrous was engaged the fuel presure did not rise. Everything was hooked up properly, and this is why it did not work. At wot your manifold presure is around 0 the only way to increase fuel pressure is to add pressure to the regulator. There is a restricitve fitting in the vaccume line for the regulator. but the lines dont blead off so its a "closed" system fitting or not the regulator will always see real manifold pressure. and not raise the fuel pressure. And dry kits can be used on F/I cars without a problem. You just need to know what your doing. |
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| WookeysRX7 |
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Originally posted by chris@apex
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Thats funny, we had a car on the Dyno with a dry kit, When the nitrous was engaged the fuel presure did not rise. Everything was hooked up properly, and this is why it did not work. At wot your manifold presure is around 0 the only way to increase fuel pressure is to add pressure to the regulator. There is a restricitve fitting in the vaccume line for the regulator. but the lines dont blead off so its a "closed" system fitting or not the regulator will always see real manifold pressure. and not raise the fuel pressure. And dry kits can be used on F/I cars without a problem. You just need to know what your doing.
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by chris@apex
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Thats funny, we had a car on the Dyno with a dry kit, When the nitrous was engaged the fuel presure did not rise. Everything was hooked up properly, and this is why it did not work. At wot your manifold presure is around 0 the only way to increase fuel pressure is to add pressure to the regulator. There is a restricitve fitting in the vaccume line for the regulator. but the lines dont blead off so its a "closed" system fitting or not the regulator will always see real manifold pressure. and not raise the fuel pressure. And dry kits can be used on F/I cars without a problem. You just need to know what your doing.
I don't get what your saying.
My whole post was based on a Turbo TSI that uses a 1:1 FPR. What Turbo car has ZERO intake manifold pressure at WOT.
Was it missing its turbo or something?
I can't tell are you agreeing with me? |
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| chris@apex |
| The car was NA. The dry kit did not function the way you said it should. Thats is why I only recommend wet kits. |
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| penance |
I agree with the wet kit too...
Heard some bad stories bout dry kits!! |
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| v8slayer |
Adam
I said dry kits must be used on a FPR equipped car preferably not turbo charged.
If there is no way to bump the pressure up it OBVIOUSLY WON'T WORK dude.
Please read my post again.
A SRT-4 has fixed FP so don't try a dry kit on it slick. |
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