| MrMullet |
| To all the Focus owners out there, who would win & what kind of mods you got? |
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| Type. K |
| i hope your fvcking kidding. |
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| golfzilla |
| focus's r leet. i had one for a couple years, bagged the shit outa it. from like 0-60 it fucking blows, then once it hits 3rd and fourth gear its got some balls overall its a fun car to bomb around in with decent handling. |
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| Anonymoose |
| SVT vs ESI. I'd put my money on the Focus! |
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| dogstar |
i dont know my talons, but an awd turbo will lay the smack to pretty much any focus you wanna name.
i dont have any real numbers, so im not going to list them, but last time i compared 60 foot times for an awd talon to most cars, only other awd cars, and some super cars were in the same range, theyre quick.
a focus isnt really a drag racer, last time i checked, the svt was tuned mostly for all round performance and the twisties. |
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| REFLUX |
wow I haven't read one of these posts in a long time
*memories* |
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| Keith303 |
1995 Eagle Talon TSi 6.4 15.1 vs. 2003 Ford Focus SVT 7.7 15.9
1997 Eagle Talon ESi 8.3 16.4 vs. 2001 Ford Focus ZX3 8.7 16.8
As you can see in both categories that talon rapes the focus, the ESi isnt far off the SVT. |
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| FocusTunerzx3 |
| The euro Focus RS would rape any Talon any day of the week. But then again its a 200hp 243 lb-ft of Torque awd stock turbo Focus...I want one so bad. |
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| MrMullet |
quote:
Originally posted by FocusTunerzx3
The euro Focus RS would rape any Talon any day of the week. But then again its a 200hp 243 lb-ft of Torque awd stock turbo Focus...I want one so bad.
Any Talon? |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| RS isn't AWD, its FWD. And it spanks EVOs and STi's around the track. |
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| SketchifisT |
My mom has a ZX-5 5 speed focus, off the line its meh, but 3rd gear in a stock car roars to 120 pretty quick and 4th is quite nice too. All around it handles corners and stuff great run car to drive. Really great for highway driving.
The euro Focus is unreal so that dont count. Otherwise Talons still win but i really like how the focus has progressed. The SVT has some balls but it handles so nice that i think Ford did the right thing. Gave the focus some balls with the manual tranny but made it a fun car to drive / shit kick |
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| DowntownFocus |
| I owne a SVT and have driven Talons many times before and sorry but there is no hope for the Focus unless the Talon driver can't drive.... Well maybe if I boosted my car big first then it would win but the cold air intake and the exhuast just don't free up that much power. |
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| Nightstalker |
quote:
Originally posted by Keith303
1995 Eagle Talon TSi 6.4 15.1 vs. 2003 Ford Focus SVT 7.7 15.9
1997 Eagle Talon ESi 8.3 16.4 vs. 2001 Ford Focus ZX3 8.7 16.8
As you can see in both categories that talon rapes the focus, the ESi isnt far off the SVT.
Those are pretty interesting ETs.. considering my 93' civic SI coupe raped ESi Talons back when it was stock.. and it run higher numbers then a 16.4. At the track of course ;). |
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| curtis_rak |
| When I had my ESi, I definately was faster than a couple of Focus'. (on the track...) |
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| Neo-Blue99GASE |
| Ok, you should also note the differences in the cars your talking about. Are you talking 97 talons with AWD and turbo's? or somethign like a 94 talons with AWD and turbo. OR non-tubo's. Because there is a hell of a difference in each. the 94's (which I think are second gen DSM's but correct me if im wrong) are somewhat slower that 3rd Gen's. Also, if your talking the non-turbo's you might as well cancel them because we all know they are quite gutless when compared to their aspirated brothers. personally, id take the SVT focus on the n/a and 2nd Gen's. On the 3rd Gen's, id say DSM's all the way. |
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| curtis_rak |
ESi = non-turbo.
Like I said, my ESi mopped a couple of Focus'. As for the TSi (turbo)...a Focus is a non-issue.
FYI
2nd gen is 95 and up and the 3g isn't a DSM. |
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| DeathBy240 |
quote:
Originally posted by Neo-Blue99GASE
Ok, you should also note the differences in the cars your talking about. Are you talking 97 talons with AWD and turbo's? or somethign like a 94 talons with AWD and turbo. OR non-tubo's. Because there is a hell of a difference in each. the 94's (which I think are second gen DSM's but correct me if im wrong) are somewhat slower that 3rd Gen's. Also, if your talking the non-turbo's you might as well cancel them because we all know they are quite gutless when compared to their aspirated brothers. personally, id take the SVT focus on the n/a and 2nd Gen's. On the 3rd Gen's, id say DSM's all the way.
I dont know why you try to explain stuff to people on a topic you obviously no absolutely nothing about. :dunno: |
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| MeXx |
quote:
Originally posted by FocusTunerzx3
The euro Focus RS would rape any Talon any day of the week. But then again its a 200hp 243 lb-ft of Torque awd stock turbo Focus...I want one so bad.
cosworth?? |
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| mwdguy |
quote:
Originally posted by DeathBy240
I dont know why you try to explain stuff to people on a topic you obviously no absolutely nothing about. :dunno:
He put neons on a 4 Door Grand Ma ... nuff said .. |
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| DeathBy240 |
quote:
Originally posted by mwdguy
He put neons on a 4 Door Grand Ma ... nuff said ..
Point taken. |
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| silverTEG |
quote:
Originally posted by DeathBy240
I dont know why you try to explain stuff to people on a topic you obviously no absolutely nothing about. :dunno:
typical of most of his replies. :lol: |
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| Neo-Blue99GASE |
| Hey, why dont you guys pull your fucking heads out of your asses for a moment. Fuck. As as I was trying to say, there are some differences in the different years of talons. Your 97's are equipted with a 210 hp and 214 ft-lbs of torque DOHC turbo on the TSI's. While years like a 94 are equipted with a less potent 195 hp and and similar torque. So if you look at the specs and 1/4 times of them, you would notice that yes, different years make a difference. So as I said before, id still take the SVT focus on the n/a talons. I might even take it on the 94's TSI's as well because Id like to go for the underdog. So why dont you guys fucking piss off before I have to prove you wrong again. ( oh yea, sorry silverTEG, but i did hit a 16.089 at bud park which is plenty to beat your beloved GSR, sorry to dissappoint you and prove you wrong ;) and that was even beating a 94 Probe GT during that race) |
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| DeathBy240 |
But you dont know what you are talking about. Your first post was complete BS. You thought 1G DSM TSi's were slower than a "3G DSM" which doesnt even exist.
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Also, if your talking the non-turbo's you might as well cancel them because we all know they are quite gutless when compared to their aspirated brothers.
Do you even know what aspirated means? You say a non-turbo car is not aspirated? I would like to see that work. |
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| silverTEG |
quote:
Originally posted by Neo-Blue99GASE
( oh yea, sorry silverTEG, but i did hit a 16.089 at bud park which is plenty to beat your beloved GSR, sorry to dissappoint you and prove you wrong ;) and that was even beating a 94 Probe GT during that race)
first off you suck.
second i dont have a gs-R. its an ls
thirdly my best ET was 15.91 with a bunch of consistent flat 16's, and now sits at 15.01 @ 97mph
fourthly you suck |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
I'd almost be tempted to say "Keep this on topic"
hm... |
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| silverTEG |
these threads are stupid and pointless anyway.
what car is "faster" ? :dunno:
dumb |
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| curtis_rak |
LOL
I agree, these threads are completely useless. However, I find myself getting sucked into them almost always. :confused: |
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| Neo-Blue99GASE |
| Did I say that I could beat your car? no, but you did say I couldnt beat a GSR. Sorry, but I just did. 240, didnt I say correct me if im wrong? I know two different styles of DSM's, the 94's and lower and new the newer 96's. I honestly didnt know if the 94's and lower were first or 2nd Gen's, I didnt know if there was a model before them. After that, DSM's no longer existed because they canceled the Eagle lineup. As for the aspirated, I just refer to n/a cars as all motor and a as forced induction. Sorry if its not politically correct. |
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| silverTEG |
quote:
Originally posted by Neo-Blue99GASE
Did I say that I could beat your car? no, but you did say I couldnt beat a GSR. Sorry, but I just did.
quote:
Originally posted by Neo-Blue99GASE
( oh yea, sorry silverTEG, but i did hit a 16.089 at bud park , which is plenty to beat your beloved GSR sorry to dissappoint you and prove you wrong ;) and that was even beating a 94 Probe GT during that race)
CrAcKeR.
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| DeathBy240 |
| N/A stands for Naturally Aspirated not Not Aspirated. All cars are aspirated somehow, be it naturally or by force, as fuel needs air to burn. |
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| scooby_dooby |
K, Neo i'm justi going to keep this simple, 2 things
#1 a stock GSR with a 1st time driver runs 15.8's at budpark, i know the guy, OK? Your car will not win, you are slower, this isn't up for debate it's a fact. An experienced drag racer could easily pull better times than my buddy who had never run in his life, all gsr's are 5speed btw.
#2 The reason the internet is such a cesspoll of crap, is people like you who aren't sure but they post they're opinions regardless. All this does is create mis-information. If you don't know much about the subject, then just refrain from responding, you do nothing but confuse people and spread mis-information.
If you feel you need to reply, at the very least have the decency to research the topic and confirm your facts so you can actually contribute something worthwhile, otherwise don't even post. |
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| curtis_rak |
The DSM thing is driving me nuts...
1G = 1990-1994
2G = 1995-1999
1G can me a Laser, Talon or Eclipse.
2G can be a Talon of Eclipse. However, there were no Talons made after 1998. |
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| scooby_dooby |
while we're on the subject why are they even called DSM's?
always wondered this... |
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| DeathBy240 |
| Diamond (Mitsu symbol) Star (Chrysler symbol) Motors. |
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| scooby_dooby |
nevermind, i found it, Diamond Star Motors eh? good to know!
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The Mitsubishi Eclipse and Eagle Talon are built in Normal, Illinois, in a factory that was originally owned by Diamond-Star Motors, a joint venture between Mitsubishi and Chrysler. (The plant is now wholly owned by Mitsubishi.) From model year 1990 to 1994, the Plymouth Laser was built alongside the Eclipse and Talon. The Diamond-Star Motors abbreviation – DSM – is often used as a generic label for the Talon/Eclipse/Laser car family.
The first-generation (1G) cars – Eclipse, Talon, and Laser – are mechanically identical. The cars have small cosmetic differences, but otherwise, they are exactly the same. In the 1995 model year, the car got substantial revisions, including new sheet metal, engine changes, suspension changes, and more. The Chrysler Laser was discontinued, but the second-generation (2G) Eclipse and Talon are again the same car, sharing every part except exterior cosmetic details like the front and rear bumpers, wheels, and spoilers.
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| silverTEG |
quote:
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
nevermind, i found it, Diamond Star Motors eh? good to know!
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The Mitsubishi Eclipse and Eagle Talon are built in Normal, Illinois, in a factory that was originally owned by Diamond-Star Motors, a joint venture between Mitsubishi and Chrysler. (The plant is now wholly owned by Mitsubishi.) From model year 1990 to 1994, the Plymouth Laser was built alongside the Eclipse and Talon. The Diamond-Star Motors abbreviation – DSM – is often used as a generic label for the Talon/Eclipse/Laser car family.
The first-generation (1G) cars – Eclipse, Talon, and Laser – are mechanically identical. The cars have small cosmetic differences, but otherwise, they are exactly the same. In the 1995 model year, the car got substantial revisions, including new sheet metal, engine changes, suspension changes, and more. The Chrysler Laser was discontinued, but the second-generation (2G) Eclipse and Talon are again the same car, sharing every part except exterior cosmetic details like the front and rear bumpers, wheels, and spoilers.
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why didnt you just ask Neo? |
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| DeathBy240 |
quote:
Originally posted by silverTEG
why didnt you just ask Neo?
HAHAHAH LOL :owned: |
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| curtis_rak |
You see?
How can anyone go wrong with a car built in a town called 'Normal'?:lol: |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by Neo-Blue99GASE
Ok, you should also note the differences in the cars your talking about. Are you talking 97 talons with AWD and turbo's? or somethign like a 94 talons with AWD and turbo. OR non-tubo's. Because there is a hell of a difference in each. the 94's (which I think are second gen DSM's but correct me if im wrong) are somewhat slower that 3rd Gen's. Also, if your talking the non-turbo's you might as well cancel them because we all know they are quite gutless when compared to their aspirated brothers. personally, id take the SVT focus on the n/a and 2nd Gen's. On the 3rd Gen's, id say DSM's all the way.
You are THE lost.:bowdown:
People, please disregard any DSM related information you might have absorbed from this post. |
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| 4G63PWR |
quote:
Originally posted by Neo-Blue99GASE
Ok, you should also note the differences in the cars your talking about. Are you talking 97 talons with AWD and turbo's? or somethign like a 94 talons with AWD and turbo. OR non-tubo's. Because there is a hell of a difference in each. the 94's (which I think are second gen DSM's but correct me if im wrong) are somewhat slower that 3rd Gen's. Also, if your talking the non-turbo's you might as well cancel them because we all know they are quite gutless when compared to their aspirated brothers. personally, id take the SVT focus on the n/a and 2nd Gen's. On the 3rd Gen's, id say DSM's all the way.
:lol:
A 1G DSM would walk a 3G(which isn't a DSM, BTW). The 2G's are the most powerfull from the factory, but have a much less potent engine than the 1G. |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by 4G63PWR
:lol:
A 1G DSM would walk a 3G(which isn't a DSM, BTW). The 2G's are the most powerfull from the factory, but have a much less potent engine than the 1G.
Um, if a 2G engine is 'less potent' than a 1G, why do they make more HP/torque?
And you just said the 2G's are the most powerful from the factory, totally contradicting the second part.
Your post makes no sense whatsoever.
Also, a 1G wouldn't walk all over a 00+ Eclipse GT (3rd Gen), depends what you're comparing. |
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| Keith303 |
1g's are "Go Cars"
2g's are "Show Cars"
3g's are "Slow Cars"
Dont get me wrong 1g's can be show and 2g's can be go.
1g's seem to be more popular at the tracks because as stated earlier have a more reliable engine and are better set up for racing out of the box if you will.
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Um, if a 2G engine is 'less potent' than a 1G, why do they make more HP/torque?
The reason is because 2gs come with higher boost from the factory and are tuned more to its potential at stock, as 1g owners get to do the free mods and improve it to make more power more reliably.
1g's come with 9-11 psi and 2gs are usually closer to 13 psi stock
1g's have a bigger turbo, better bov, bigger ic, better intake manifold, with a much larger throttle body, 6 bolt engine.
1gs make their power much more efficiently IMO, you do the free mods to a 1g and crank the boost upto 15 psi and your sitting at about 225hp, A 2g cant make these same gains because its stock pos BOV is plastic and leaks above 13 psi.
Only free mod you can do to a 2g is remove the BCS and Bove dump tube, A gaine of maybe 5hp. overall a 1g and 2g are fairly equal with the good and bad from each car in stock form. |
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| ehos |
Yup, I know what he was 'meaning' to say, he just totally messed up his post :)
Also, 2G's have crankwalk issues. (Which I think is the only drawback, but what a drawback).
Never owned a 1G, but owned a few 2G's (modded/unmodded, turbo/NA etc), and a few 3rd Gens.
The 3rd gen is a totally different car, more like a family car. But it handles MUCH better than any 2G I've ever driven. Tight. V6 is the only way to go, but, it still needs something. Nice fun car to drive, but nothing special. |
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| 4G63PWR |
My post made sense.
I said what I ment to say. The 1G engines make less power than the 2G's because of less boost and lower compression pistons. The 2G's have less potential when you start moding however because of a smaller throttle body, intake runners, intake and exhaust ports in the head, smaller turbo(T28) which is only good for ~280hp as opposed to the 14b found on the 5-speed 1G's which is good til 300hp. A 1G 6-bolt engine can make more power with the same mods than a 2G 7-bolt engine. |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by 4G63PWR
The 2G's have less potential when you start moding however because of a smaller throttle body, intake runners, intake and exhaust ports in the head, smaller turbo(T28) which is only good for ~280hp as opposed to the 14b found on the 5-speed 1G's
I think you confused 'potent' with 'potential'.
Also, 2G's don't come with T28's, they come with T25's. And they're good up to around 250HP before they're out of breath (T25's).
I WISH the 2G's came with T28's! :) |
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| 4G63PWR |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
I think you confused 'potent' with 'potential'.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=potent
"inner strength"
One thing about reading a post is that it can be taken differently by that person reading it than what was intended from the person writing it. |
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| Keith303 |
| t28 is similar to small 16g |
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