| scooby_dooby |
Dunno if anyone cares but I thought this was pretty damn impressive, turbo'ed Integra LS, 10psi and it's making 299.99whp. Pretty good for only 10lbs of boost.
Mod List:
motor setup:
b18b1, eagle rods, je pistons, dart sleeves, arp bolts/studs, oem bearings, skunk2 intake mani, aem cam gears, ngk plugs gapped .029
turbo setup:
turbonetics t3to4e .63/.60 57trim, drag mani(yeah i know...but i had to sell my equal length mani for $$$), precision 750hp fmic, msd 3bar map, msd 1008cc injectors, blitz ss bov, tial wg, custom IC piping (2"-> 2.25"-> fmic-> 2.5"), custom 2.5"->3" dp, custom oil cooler, TR&D 3" turbo exhaust, 3" test pipe, AEM EMS 30-1000 w/wideband.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothrea...5010&page=1 |
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| Insomniac |
| I am not impressed, considering it would cost about $15K to duplicate that setup. |
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| rage2 |
| legendboy made close to that last year with his LS turbo. Stock block, not built. |
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| scooby_dooby |
quote:
Originally posted by Insomniac
I am not impressed, considering it would cost about $15K to duplicate that setup.
15k? You're smokin crack. It's a basic turbo system with EMS, sleeved cylinder walls and aftermaket pistons and rods, that's all. The pistns and rods are cheap, like a grand. The EMS is expensive ya, and the dart sleeves I dunno how much those are but it's not 15k no way. If I had to guess I'd say MAYBE 10k that's like doing no labour yourself at all.
and IMO what's impressive is the low amount of boost, i'm not saying wow look at this 300whp integra, 300whp turbo car isn't much to look at, until you realize it's a 1.8l running only 10psi and in stock form only puts down like 120whp.
I hear about these DSM guys running 18psi to hit 350whp and I'm pretty impressed when I see an engine with less displacement and half the boost making 300.
maybe that's just me |
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| Insomniac |
k, then maybe you or Rage could tell me how much it would cost.
- eagle rods
- je pistons
- dart sleeves
- arp bolts/studs
- oem bearings
- skunk2 intake mani
- aem cam gears
- ngk plugs gapped
- engine machining and assembly
- turbonetics t3to4e .63/.60 57trim
- drag mani
- precision 750hp fmic
- msd 3bar map
- msd 1008cc injectors
- blitz ss bov
- tial wg
- custom IC piping
- custom dp
- custom oil cooler
- TR&D 3" turbo exhaust
- 3" test pipe
- AEM EMS 30-1000 w/wideband
Grand Total, CAD, if bought new? |
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| scooby_dooby |
i can do what i know off the top of my head, before taxes whatever:
- eagle rods - $450
- je pistons - $550
- dart sleeves - dunno
- arp bolts/studs - $250ish
- oem bearings - OEM
- skunk2 intake mani - $450
- aem cam gears - $200
- ngk plugs gapped - 8bux
- engine machining and assembly - lots
all the turbo stuff is not really my thing, and i'm too lazy to look it all up, but big ticket items are the turbo at 1100 or so, intercooler around 800, exhaust manifold maybe 700, EMS like 2grand or so, i think you could probably get all the turbo parts together for 6g's, maybe 2g's for the rest, then there's the labour.
anyways this is getting tedious, 15k is high even if you bought every single part brand spanking new, which isn't even realistic, there's always deals to be had.
btw, this guys is planning on hitting 450whp, that's actually his goal, I just though gaining 18whp for every pound of boost was pretty cool. |
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| ae1969 |
quote:
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
..........anyways this is getting tedious, 15k is high even if you bought every single part brand spanking new, which isn't even realistic, there's always deals to be had.....
The engine that ran that dyno curve has quite a few bucks in it.....
15K if not more.
When you are investing that kind of coin in an engine you don't try and cut corners. Machining and assembly can easily hit 5K without breaking a sweat......... |
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| DomesticDrifter |
quote:
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
I hear about these DSM guys running 18psi to hit 350whp and I'm pretty impressed when I see an engine with less displacement and half the boost making 300.
maybe that's just me
ahhhhhhh the good old "i have more horsepower per liter then you". in the end it doesn't really matter, the dsm still has 350hp and the integra still has 300 it doesn't matter if it is using 1/2 the boost and 1/2 the displacement. its still has less power. i'm not bashing the integra it sounds like and impressive machine but when it comes down to it the dsm is still superior. |
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| Xpnsve |
Thats damn good for a b18
I'm thinking of going turbo.. maybe 7-8 lbs |
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| Insomniac |
FYI
- eagle rods 365
- je pistons 230
- dart sleeves 560
- arp bolts/studs 110
- oem bearings 300
- skunk2 intake mani 250
- aem cam gears 240
- ngk plugs gapped 20
- turbonetics t3to4e .63/.60 57trim 805
- drag mani 399
- precision 750hp fmic 525
- msd 3bar map 57
- msd 1008cc injectors 400
- blitz ss bov 315
- tial wg 330
- custom IC piping 300
- custom dp 400
- custom oil cooler 400
- TR&D 3" turbo exhaust 600
- 3" test pipe 200
- AEM EMS 30-1000 w/wideband 1446
Total Parts (USD) $8252
Total Parts (CAD) $11057
and these prices are from US e-tailers, which local shops cannot usually even come close to...
Add engine machining/assembly (face it, most of us don't do this ourselves), parts that he never mentioned (like the whole fuel system up to the injectors, lol), and you get to something like $14,999. Ok scooby was right.
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| MightyMidget |
^^^ in other words^^^^
:owned:
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| rage2 |
Honestly, I find building up honda motors crazy. It can easily get past the 10k mark with good machine work and good parts. I'm still feeling the pain of building up a custom 2.8L block for my 944.
I'd rather push the limits of a stock block which will last me 2 years before the rings go, and replace the stock block with another stock block for a couple hundred bucks.
quote:
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
and IMO what's impressive is the low amount of boost, i'm not saying wow look at this 300whp integra, 300whp turbo car isn't much to look at, until you realize it's a 1.8l running only 10psi and in stock form only puts down like 120whp.
You wanna see low boost and lotsa power, check out this crvtec that I tuned. Costs less than building up a b18b:
http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?threadid=45409
On a dynojet, that thing will lay down 340whp at 8.5psi of boost. |
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| Pro Drag |
What compression ratio is this engine running?
I wanna dyno the Sivik now. ALL STOCK Integra LS Intake mani, head, block, internals. |
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| Anonymoose |
quote:
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
I hear about these DSM guys running 18psi to hit 350whp and I'm pretty impressed when I see an engine with less displacement and half the boost making 300.
maybe that's just me
Ummmmm do you know shit about turbo's? 10 lbs on a 14B is nowhere near the amount of air coming out of a t3/t04e running at that pressure. The DSM probably still has a much better power/torque curve and a much more liveable boost threshold. |
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| scooby_dooby |
no i DON'T know shit about turbo's, didn't i already say that?
man people gotta bitch when you post a honda dyno, like get over it,
rage2, that's sick man, do you know if it's still alive? or what it ran in the 1/4?
blaine, i dunno what CR he has, i posted all the info he gave, why don't you get that sivik dynoed? c'mon man, $60 bux! |
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| scooby_dooby |
quote:
Originally posted by rage2
I'd rather push the limits of a stock block which will last me 2 years before the rings go, and replace the stock block with another stock block for a couple hundred bucks.
that's a damn good point, for the price of having your block sleeved you could buy what 3 or 4 LS blocks? And at only 8 or 10lbs of boost they say the stock block holds up for a substantial amount of time.
man.... i want a turbo car |
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| Anonymoose |
quote:
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
no i DON'T know shit about turbo's, didn't i already say that?
man people gotta bitch when you post a honda dyno, like get over it,
If you're going to start comparing cars then compare apples to apples, not apples to cantaloupes. |
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| scooby_dooby |
which one's the canteloupe?
apples to apples, normally an LS with 7 or 8lbs would hit 200 or 210whp, so 300 on 10lbs is some pretty impressive #'s, and it shows what can be done with the right set-up.
just thought some honda guys might be interested, god forbid |
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| WeDgE |
| Looks like some pretty good numbers. I know there was an Accord guy in the states running 14psi on his stock F22A and it put down 280whp and 280wtq...until he totalled the car... :( |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by DomesticDrifter
ahhhhhhh the good old "i have more horsepower per liter then you". in the end it doesn't really matter, the dsm still has 350hp and the integra still has 300 it doesn't matter if it is using 1/2 the boost and 1/2 the displacement. its still has less power. i'm not bashing the integra it sounds like and impressive machine but when it comes down to it the dsm is still superior.
Buy Marcins car for less than the price of the 1.8L engine by it's self and have an 11 second car , 450 whp and the prepped AWD chassis and suspension to boot.
WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE SPEND 15K ON A HONDA ENGINE WHEN YOU CAN BUY A CAR LIKE THAT FOR LESS! :mad: |
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| silverTEG |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer
Buy Marcins car for less than the price of the 1.8L engine by it's self and have an 11 second car , 450 whp and the prepped AWD chassis and suspension to boot.
WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE SPEND 15K ON A HONDA ENGINE WHEN YOU CAN BUY A CAR LIKE THAT FOR LESS! :mad:
the satisfaction of knowing you built and designed it. :dunno: not bought it. |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
<DING!><DING!>
We now have the answer to the million dollar question folks!. |
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| silverTEG |
quote:
Originally posted by DomesticDrifter
ahhhhhhh the good old "i have more horsepower per liter then you". in the end it doesn't really matter, the dsm still has 350hp and the integra still has 300 it doesn't matter if it is using 1/2 the boost and 1/2 the displacement. its still has less power. i'm not bashing the integra it sounds like and impressive machine but when it comes down to it the dsm is still superior.
peak WHP means nothing. its about the POWERBAND
so it does kinda matter about the boost and diplacement. |
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| drastik |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer
Buy Marcins car for less than the price of the 1.8L engine by it's self and have an 11 second car , 450 whp and the prepped AWD chassis and suspension to boot.
WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE SPEND 15K ON A HONDA ENGINE WHEN YOU CAN BUY A CAR LIKE THAT FOR LESS! :mad:
coz honda's are so much prettier. :p |
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| Insomniac |
| I wouldn't mind doing a honda with a 4g63 swap, ha ha |
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| rage2 |
quote:
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
apples to apples, normally an LS with 7 or 8lbs would hit 200 or 210whp, so 300 on 10lbs is some pretty impressive #'s, and it shows what can be done with the right set-up.
On legendboy's setup, stock LS with turbo at 8psi, it put down 240whp on a mustang dyno (about 270whp on a dynojet). That's at the knock threashold for 92 octane fuel.
Tuned right (not just fuel, timing too!), that's the level of power you should expect from a b18b. |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by Insomniac
I wouldn't mind doing a honda with a 4g63 swap, ha ha
If you saw how much wheel spin I get in the SRT you would retract your comment!;) |
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| h22civic |
quote:
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
Dunno if anyone cares but I thought this was pretty damn impressive, turbo'ed Integra LS, 10psi and it's making 299.99whp. Pretty good for only 10lbs of boost.
Mod List:
motor setup:
b18b1, eagle rods, je pistons, dart sleeves, arp bolts/studs, oem bearings, skunk2 intake mani, aem cam gears, ngk plugs gapped .029
turbo setup:
turbonetics t3to4e .63/.60 57trim, drag mani(yeah i know...but i had to sell my equal length mani for $$$), precision 750hp fmic, msd 3bar map, msd 1008cc injectors, blitz ss bov, tial wg, custom IC piping (2"-> 2.25"-> fmic-> 2.5"), custom 2.5"->3" dp, custom oil cooler, TR&D 3" turbo exhaust, 3" test pipe, AEM EMS 30-1000 w/wideband.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothrea...5010&page=1
Nice numbers from a B18......but with some A/F ratio tuning I think you will have a safer and more powerful motor.....that a/f ratio looks like a roller coaster gone mad. Lean at the bottom and too rich at the top. |
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| rage2 |
quote:
Originally posted by h22civic
Nice numbers from a B18......but with some A/F ratio tuning I think you will have a safer and more powerful motor.....that a/f ratio looks like a roller coaster gone mad. Lean at the bottom and too rich at the top.
The lean areas is the motor being off boost (guessing from torque curve).
What the guy needs is a SMALLER turbo. If you look at the torque curve, the plateau only holds for 2000rpm's (5250-7250rpm). That's a tiny powerband, with the LS tranny, it'll be building boost after every shift.
When he turns up the boost, that powerband will only get skinnier. |
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| SketchifisT |
| either way runnin over 7pounds of boost on that engine isn;t the smartest thing. It can be done for short periods of time but thats the way to blow the engine. Everyone wantin to turbo a GSR engine and so forth, keep the PSI lower then 8 , and just beat around with that, Otherwise look at over boostin and blowin oil over the road for fun :D |
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| Anonymoose |
| Its a built engine, it could handle good chunk more boost than that if tuned properly. |
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| rage2 |
quote:
Originally posted by SketchifisT
either way runnin over 7pounds of boost on that engine isn;t the smartest thing. It can be done for short periods of time but thats the way to blow the engine.
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| scooby_dooby |
quote:
Originally posted by SketchifisT
either way runnin over 7pounds of boost on that engine isn;t the smartest thing. It can be done for short periods of time but thats the way to blow the engine. Everyone wantin to turbo a GSR engine and so forth, keep the PSI lower then 8 , and just beat around with that, Otherwise look at over boostin and blowin oil over the road for fun :D
lol, tell that to Pro Drag, stock block stock everything, i think they're running like 18lb's of boost, ran like a 11.9 last year and the engine won't die, they're tougher than you think, |
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| SketchifisT |
| I have one, and it is tuned beyond belief, i love it to death but i wouldn;t put over 8pounds of boost on it for a long period of time. PRO DRAGS = diff if you have that money and are puttin it towards a engine, THings go wrong and u fix it anyways big deal. for 3/4 of us out there who dont have that, i am sayin why wreck 15 grand of engine work with slappin extra pounds of boost. If you are runnin over 8 pounds of boost of a tuned everyday engine car then i dunno if you want tickets or want to meet with a light poll. If you are draggin everyweekend then fine. different story |
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| scooby_dooby |
| ya but that engine is built like they said, sleeved with forged pistons and some beefy rods, it will take 10lbs all day long, and ALOT more than that if he wants. |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
blaine, i dunno what CR he has, i posted all the info he gave, why don't you get that sivik dynoed? c'mon man, $60 bux!
We did dyno it last season with the old t4/t4 turbo setup and the old intercooler and piping.
We haven't dyno'd it yet with the new setup which ran the 11.97 @ 118.6 MPH. |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by rage2
The lean areas is the motor being off boost (guessing from torque curve).
What the guy needs is a SMALLER turbo. If you look at the torque curve, the plateau only holds for 2000rpm's (5250-7250rpm). That's a tiny powerband, with the LS tranny, it'll be building boost after every shift.
When he turns up the boost, that powerband will only get skinnier.
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
lol, tell that to Pro Drag, stock block stock everything, i think they're running like 18lb's of boost, ran like a 11.9 last year and the engine won't die, they're tougher than you think,
Heh heh heh, we are running FACTORY boost.:lol: |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| it's still TURBO.. i'm hardly impressed, w/o the turbo that'd be what... 180 whp..... N/A impresses me |
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| scooby_dooby |
without turbo? then it's just intake exhaist and manifold, it'd be about 125whp, with a gutted mid-range because of the skunk2 IM.
maybe less cause he might have lowered his compression, but he might have raised it too, |
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| Insomniac |
I'll take turbo power, thank you. Nothing beats the feeling of boost, even if it's not remarkably more powerful than an N/A car...
(ie.. my old RX-7 vs an S2000) |
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