| test |
| Tell us more about your ride man. What do you think you'll be running next year? You think you can take the T51R? |
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| talont3t4 |
I hopefully well be able to give the Supra a run atleast next year. My set up is a fully built 1g motor, t3t4 turbo, front mount, AEM stand alone. I must point out i was only running 20psi of boost due to lack of tunning time before this event. Hopefully by next year i well get my set up working. Hopefully low 11's and 120+ mph well be in the cards. I'm pretty happy with my car as it sits now, and plan to focus on other asspects over winter. I also autocross this car, and plan to have some exterior mods done over winter. :rolleyes: That Supra is one fast car, i give him the upmost credit :bow:
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| brandon |
Way to go man, not many cars out there that can do the 1/4 in 12's, autocross and look nice.
Are you installing a body kit? |
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| Inzane |
So much for Roger's rein of terror from last year.
How many other Talons beat his 2001 record this year? Ron, Marcin, etc...
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| reno |
Even if he was fast, no one would respect him.
Props to talont3t4, its like you came out of no where to kick ass. |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by reno@Oct 25 2002, 10:01 AM
Even if he was fast, no one would respect him.
:D :bigthumbup: |
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| talont |
The competition is starting to get quite fierce. Next season will be better with even faster cars.... I can’t wait. Don’t count roger out. I am sure he will be back, next season. With this years very fast competition he will have something to prove. :D
There were several fast cars in the pro comp import category for JB's BOI. With how fast everyone is going I am hoping to improve on my times from last year so I can defend my title. with two v8less events planed for next year things can only get better. We are sooooo lucky to have a track so close to edmonton, and with the upgrades they are planing, everything is shaping up to be a great season.
Good job Ron, it sounds like things are really starting to come together, after the many hours of work that you have put into your car. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by talont@Oct 25 2002, 10:28 PM
Don’t count roger out. I am sure he will be back, next season. With this years very fast competition he will have something to prove. :D
Yes he does, and will he EVER!. He was saving the best for last but the last street legal of the year was cancelled due to rain. Be afraid, be very afraid. :bigthumbup: |
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| Loose |
Ron,
Any impressions of the AEM??? |
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| talont3t4 |
| Aem is really impressive just have lots of respect, and a little fear of it and it is a good tunning tool |
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| brandon |
| I think out of the quick 8 there will be about 4-5 DSM's next year. They seem to be the true hardcores on 4cyl racing in Etown. |
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| frost |
| I like Talons, but in Van, alot of people liken them to the"Mustangs of the Imports", especailly the first gens. |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by frost@Oct 27 2002, 05:53 PM
alot of people liken them to the"Mustangs of the Imports"
As in relatively cheap to buy, easy to make it "fast" down the 1/4 mile, and poor reliability?
Sounds familiar. |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by frost@Oct 27 2002, 05:53 PM
I like Talons, but in Van, alot of people liken them to the"Mustangs of the Imports", especailly the first gens.
I can see the correlation, but Talon's look better, get better fuel economy for the HP and are really reliable if the basic maintenance is done on them. The are usually beaten like a government mule and then sold when it gets time to do the maintenance every 100,000 Km. :tear: |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Oct 28 2002, 06:16 PM
are really reliable if the basic maintenance is done on them.
Over the years while I lived and worked up in Fort McMurray, I came across 4 different people who owned Talons, all of whom experienced premature timing belt failures (ie. before the scheduled maintenance interval). And these are people who were original owners who looked after their cars, and weren't aftermarket performance nuts (ie. no mods).
And then look at the recent SCCC. Three Talon break-downs that day, plus a fourth (Mitsuman) which couldn't make the event that day due to a previous break-down.
That doesn't bode well for the reliability of the Talon.
But.... you guys sure seem to get them going damn fast while they run! Kudos :bigthumbup: |
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| circle |
Talon's are POS. If you have the money to keep fixing go for it. My buddy brags about how he can whoop my ass, but I don't have $2000 in repairs to my MR2 like he does.
Unless you're a mechanic. Stay away. |
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| test |
Yeah SCCC was a bad day for DSM's. But these guys were all sub 14 second cars so what do you expect when you're pushing that much horsepower.
I'm sure the honda's would have broken axles and head gaskets if they were pushing that much power too. |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by circle@Oct 28 2002, 11:23 PM
If you have the money to keep fixing go for it. My buddy brags about how he can whoop my ass, but I don't have $2000 in repairs to my MR2 like he does.
Thank god Nissans tend to be fairly reliable.
If I ever blew the engine in my Z, I'd be out of it for a LOOOOONGGG time. $$$ |
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| talont |
Take any car and push it hard and something is going to give. Most of the talon drivers I know are running stock internals, and bolt on accessories and can get into the 12's easily with this setup.
What I am saying is compare apples to apples.
Now under thoughts same circumstances take a different car. As an example a civic. Slap on your bolt on accessories to get into the 12's (maintaining stock internals) and see how reliable it is..... No offence to civic owners as this is just an example, but chances are the car will not last.
There is no such thing as a perfectly engineered car; they all have their faults. But talons have proven to be able to stand up to a tremendous amount of abuse with little in the way of breakdowns (looking at things on an even playing field. apples to apples).
inzane the chances of four people you know having the exact same problem with the same car, which for thousands of others by keeping to there maintenance schedule have had very little problems, is not indicative of a poorly made car. I would think it not manufacture defect, in a car which they made thousands of every year for several years. Every situation is different but realistically I would say it's either poor parts or improper installation.
Everyone thinks their car is the best and will likely take flames about their choice of cars personally. Its best if these types of discussions didn’t happen in forums but over a few beers. (That way if he does piss you off you can get him drunk and beat his sorry ass). :wacko:
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Funny thing is, someone mentioned to me about this one forum topic on Eo I just had to go and see for myself, and yep. Things haven't changed over there...
There was an ongoing debate on the reliability of rotary engines and how they are crap, they need constant repair, maintenance, etc., etc.
It eventually turned into a pissing match like everything on EO. I don't know what's worse, the people who get into these tihngs at the maturity level of a 2 year old, or the fact that others actually encourage this behaviour and feed off it.
But hey, you want a race car, you build a race car, now maintain it like one for pete's sake!.
I try to take care of the egg as best as I can given my time constraints... Of course, I really should stop cranking up that boost controller :) |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by talont@Oct 29 2002, 12:09 AM
Most of the talon drivers I know are running stock internals, and bolt on accessories and can get into the 12's easily with this setup.
inzane the chances of four people you know having the exact same problem with the same car, which for thousands of others by keeping to there maintenance schedule have had very little problems, is not indicative of a poorly made car. I would think it not manufacture defect, in a car which they made thousands of every year for several years. Every situation is different but realistically I would say it's either poor parts or improper installation.
Everyone thinks their car is the best and will likely take flames about their choice of cars personally. Its best if these types of discussions didn’t happen in forums but over a few beers.
Its important to clarify what one's definition of "bolt on accessories" consists of. More often then not, when a Talon owner says that and I press for more info it usually includes bigger ticket items like an upgraded turbo, etc. - which is starting to stretch the definition a bit.
Can a Talon hit 12's on stock turbos and stock injectors (assuming stock internals too of course)? I know this is getting off topic a little... I'm just curious.
As for your 2nd paragraph in the quote box above, Consumer Reports studies would tend to disagree with you on that point. Typically what I'd seen in reports from say ~ 95 to 98, they always showed that the Talon was about -30 % below industry average on reliability. I've never put any faith in CR's performance testing, but their reliability figures are supposed to be based on real owner survey data. Take that for whatever its worth.
I fully agree with your last comment though. Mmm... beer. :D cheers! |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane@Oct 28 2002, 11:18 PM
quote:
Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Oct 28 2002, 06:16 PM
are really reliable if the basic maintenance is done on them.
Over the years while I lived and worked up in Fort McMurray, I came across 4 different people who owned Talons, all of whom experienced premature timing belt failures (ie. before the scheduled maintenance interval). And these are people who were original owners who looked after their cars, and weren't aftermarket performance nuts (ie. no mods).
I would venture to say that the premature timing belt failure was caused by the failure of the balance shaft belt.
It is widely known in the DSM arena that the balance shaft belt is the weak link in the whole system. If that belt breaks, more often than not it goes for a ride between the crank shaft pulley and the timing belt, thus slipping the timing and slamming the valves into the pistons. NOT GOOD.
The solution? Take the balance shafts right out of the engine. This means less rotating mass inside the engine, potentialy more HP and a huge jump in reliability.
If you are using quality parts and a quality mechanic talons are really reliable. |
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| talont3t4 |
| ? How many reliable anythings do you see that are pushing 400+hp.??? Out of only 2.0L and wiegh over 3400lbs??? Except for Supra's and RX-7's! And Supra's are mad exspensive! :thefinger: |
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| talont |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane@Oct 29 2002, 12:18 PM
Its important to clarify what one's definition of "bolt on accessories" consists of. More often then not, when a Talon owner says that and I press for more info it usually includes bigger ticket items like an upgraded turbo, etc. - which is starting to stretch the definition a bit.
price doesn’t designate weather it is a bolt on or not.
a bolt on is a ported exhaust, turbo, injectors. by internals i mean pistons, cranks.
people in the states have done 12 second passes on a stock turbo and injectors. they had upgraded intake and exaust. with porting done to the turbo and lots of tuning. |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by Inzane@Oct 25 2002, 08:53 AM
So much for Roger's rein of terror from last year. _
How many other Talons beat his 2001 record this year? _Ron, Marcin, etc...
:bigthumbup:
I'm sorry I missed the 2002 season guys but as not all of you know Aug/17/2001 I was in a very serious car accident with the sebring.
The Talon was put on hold until late spring 2002 meaning I lost 9 months of building and development time so the 2002 season was a bust since the old engine was out and sold.
I was forced in 2002 to pull the car off the road after the 2nd BOI due to the ACT 2600 slipping when I attempted to use my NOS to spool the Garrett I bought for my future race engine. I had major lag with it so I had to try something until the new race engine was done. I was trying to get my 117.40 mph to translate into a 11.7 like most DSM's in that MPH do but the clutch wouldn't take it so I kept the NOS off and rode out the day with big lag.
I tried like heck to get the new engine ready in time for summer but my health kept getting in the way. Well its all done now and I should have it on the road when the snows gone to break it in and tune it. Hopfully by summer it will be ready to race in the Street Radial Class.
PS: I'm glad my old ET was beat by the DSM engines with only bolt ons as it would have been a shame if none of the cars evolved in a whole year of building and tunning. Way to go guys!!!
Maybe next year a stock engine will beat 117.40 mph. LOLOL :blink:
T3T4 with your race engine I thought you were in the 10's for sure.
What happened my friend? Got it a part and diagnosed yet?
Cheers guys
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane@Oct 25 2002, 05:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by reno@Oct 25 2002, 10:01 AM
Even if he was fast, no one would respect him.
:D :bigthumbup:
Well insane I don't have time for respect due to everyone comming over for help and installs.
LOLOL
B)
Who needs it when you have friends is what I say. |
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| Inzane |
Tell it to Reno. Wasn't my comment.
;)
Happy new year. |
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| talont3t4 |
| what's everyone up to over the winter, any bug projects??? |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by talont3t4@Jan 1 2003, 09:02 PM
what's everyone up to over the winter, any bug projects???
How is your race engine ?
Got it a part yet?
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| reno |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Dec 31 2002, 03:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane@Oct 25 2002, 05:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by reno@Oct 25 2002, 10:01 AM
Even if he was fast, no one would respect him.
:D :bigthumbup:
Well insane I don't have time for respect due to everyone comming over for help and installs.
LOLOL
B)
Who needs it when you have friends is what I say.
I've been on this forum since it started and this guy has been nothing but trouble for the moderators, who have in my opinion been more than fair to him than I would. I'm not sure why he's back after such a "graceful" exit last time.
I hope he proves me wrong, but it won't be long before he starts causing trouble again. |
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| v8slayer |
Reno you claimed you had a run in with me.
Where and what over?
Or was it just typical internet trash talk your upset about? tsk tsk he he he.
Seriously though , if you know me as a person as well as you claim you do and you don't like me who am I to disagree with your feelings , they are your feelings after all.
All the power to you on your quest.
I won't stop you or complain about it , it's a free country!
Happy new year
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Roger, good to have you back man!, I can't wait to see your monster once it's running again!.
My winter bugs?, fixing that traction problem with sway bars, shocks and springs, perhaps a better tire choice, adding a surge tank the the fuel cell, and perhaps an on/off switch for the fuel cell so if I decide to swap out the pump of filter, the entire contents of the fuel cell won't dump out on me... |
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| v8slayer |
Thanks A.
I really want to see your car and see how its comming since the last time you were over at my place.
We should do coffee and catch up.
I'll email you when I get caught up at work.
Happy New Year |
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| dogstar |
adding my two cents, any car can be a lemon, from honda to lotus (nah, lotuses never have problems ;))
90% of the time its improper maintenance, or poor parts sometimes.
and for the doubters, i saw a pretty much stock dsm, think it was a 93 talon with a bolt on first gen 4g, hybrid turbo and 25 shot of nos, when i was in tampa, the guy claimed 10.67s, although i had to leave the track before i could watch him run. :(
talking to a couple street racers, they confirmed it was a daily driven car, with a 50 mile commute each way, and it hit the track every weekend.
pretty damn impressive if you ask me. :D |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by dogstar@Jan 2 2003, 12:56 PM
i saw a pretty much stock dsm, think it was a 93 talon with a bolt on first gen 4g, hybrid turbo and 25 shot of nos,
I don't know about you, but that's certainly not my definition of "pretty much stock".
Ah... nevermind. I guess not understanding Talon tuning, I don't know the significance of "first gen 4g, hybrid turbo". Maybe someone can shed some light. |
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| v8slayer |
| Not a clue either but if its in the 10's the guy was hiding something. |
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