| Wankel |
Well today was the court date for my going 5km/hr over the speed limit ticket, i attempted to fight in court but i cudngt get any leway whatsoever on it cudnt even plead registered owners act.
Im wondering first of all how much will this affect my insurance, its only 5km/hr and in my opinion isnt even worthy of a ticket. But im only 18 and i cant really afford a huge hike in my insurance as i will be going back to school soon, from what i gather im looking at 1 or 2 demerits on my license which is retarded.:mad: If someone could provide me with some information it would be greatly appreciated .
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| snugs |
| I thought that you could lose up to 3 points before your insurance would be affected.... but don't quote me on that. :dunno: |
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| lovemytrx |
| I think if you get a ticket these days, youre screwed. It all depends how often the insurance companies pull abstracts. |
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| Wankel |
| Spoke to my insurance agent, she sais shes not sure but 1 ticket should be fine... its low enough that it shudnt matter but she isnt sure whats gonna happen when the government gets ahold of our insurance system. |
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| Neo-Blue99GASE |
| I think this is friggin bs with insurance. No way in hell should it affect us like it does for a simple ticket as 5 over. I feel for you man. Id be pissed as hell |
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| Mustard |
| i got my first ticket a while back, it was WAY worse then yers, and i havn't been bumped or nothing..... yet |
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| Wankel |
| Im quite pissed off but theres nothing really i can do about it... I mean like 5km/hr over... gimme a break probably cause it was in the rx7 but thats sold now... :dunno: hopefully they dont make me pay more for the crotch rocket :dunno: |
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| Flex |
| Where were you driving when you got this ticket? In my experience for 5 over an officer wouldnt even look at you unless its in a school zone or construction zone. |
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| PraxRX7 |
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Originally posted by Flex
Where were you driving when you got this ticket? In my experience for 5 over an officer wouldnt even look at you unless its in a school zone or construction zone.
My thoughts exactly...hell 5 over your speedo could be out.. |
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| Wankel |
| In lethbridge weve got a big long hill connecting the west side to the other side of town... I was heading west comming home from work... Hopefully this doesnt affect my insurance otherwise ama course here i come... Get to relive "mirror mirror shouldercheck signal mirror shoulder check move" all over again like a nightmare |
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| MX5 Miata Guy |
Your ticket is worth 2 demerits.
Regardless of taking an AMA course or not, the ticket will remain on your record with an insurance company for three years. The demerits will stay on your driving record with the province for two years (or an AMA course will remove three demerits, but there are limits as to how often you can take such a course).
The general rule is that one ticket (with demerits) is a freebie on your insurance. But nowadays, all bets are off. As an 18yr old, you're on a graduated license, and there may be no leeway. Time will tell in your case...come renewal time. |
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| Wankel |
No graduated license, i got my drivers 3 weeks before that came into effect :D
quote:
Originally posted by MX5 Miata Guy
Your ticket is worth 2 demerits.
Regardless of taking an AMA course or not, the ticket will remain on your record with an insurance company for three years. The demerits will stay on your driving record with the province for two years (or an AMA course will remove three demerits, but there are limits as to how often you can take such a course).
The general rule is that one ticket (with demerits) is a freebie on your insurance. But nowadays, all bets are off. As an 18yr old, you're on a graduated license, and there may be no leeway. Time will tell in your case...come renewal time.
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| REFLUX |
this may be a blessing in disguise
the government reform is going to give me cheaper rates with the history I have (nothing killer but 1 baddie) than what I was paying with a CLEAN record.
so it's not ALLLLL bad but I'm sure the demerit does put a stain on record SOMEHOW... |
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| Wankel |
| I'm really looking forward to that government reform, hopefully they neglect to consider my 1 ticket for going 5 over making me a hazardous driver and lower my insurance... |
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| redbaron303 |
Tyler you wanker!!!!
I just got another one for 15km/h over :blink: |
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| s2oooR |
| got anotehr one for 21 over...... how many demerits is that? |
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| s2oooR |
| any way to get the demerits reduced instead of the fine? |
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| Mavrick |
Most insurance companies will allow you three tickets (minor ones) in a three year period without increasing your rates.
You can show up for your court date and talk to the prosecutor to see if they will drop the demerits a bit, or even the magistrate, but it is unlikely that they will. :(
Technically, if you were only 5 over, there is a good chance that the officer might not even show up for your court case, in which event the charge would be dropped and you get off scott-free.
You could even argue to the magistrate that 5 kilometers over could easily be speedometer error, and that it is a reasonable overage. Traditionally, the police are supposed to allow for 14 kilometers an hour as a margin of error, but of course they have the ability to give you a ticket anyway, if they so desire.
Good luck with that.
Mav. |
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| midnite |
| talk to the crown procecutor, for 5kmh over i'd hope he'd withdraw the ticket, or at least change it to registered owner. |
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| SketchifisT |
In BC at least, you are allowed one ticket a year without your insurance going up. At least thats what the cop said to me, and i just renew'd my insurance with no hike so i think you are fine.
For the 5km over thats just stupid. I got pulled over for that a year ago and i asked how the cop pulled me over and he said he guessed my speed. So i asked him how he mathimatically guessed my speed from watchin me as i passed the intersection he was at, and all he responded to it was Ill give you a warning.
I think it stupid if its anything under 10 cause guages can be wrong, you can have just sped up to change lanes or for anyone with a beater car, getting speed up for a upcomin hill. I guess it just depends on the cop and how his day is going. |
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| lovemytrx |
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Originally posted by Mavrick
Traditionally, the police are supposed to allow for 14 kilometers an hour as a margin of error, but of course they have the ability to give you a ticket anyway, if they so desire.
Good luck with that.
Mav.
14 km/h is a huge margin of error if thats what they allow for. |
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| MR240 |
| 5km??? i'v never heard of a ticket being issued for 5km before...thats ridiculous, i didn't think they could do that..i usually follow cops that do 5-10 km over the limit...i'v overtook cops before by going like 5 km over the limit.. |
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| MX5 Miata Guy |
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Originally posted by s2oooR
Any way to get the demerits reduced instead of the fine?
The demerits are meaningless for insurance. They will acrue to a point where you have to go to a Driver's Review Board hearing whereat they will review your driving habits and place you under some penalties in order to keep your license. At 15 demerits, your license is suspended. I believe that you get summoned by the Board at 10.
It's the fact that you've got a Moving Violation of any kind that your insurance company cares about. Whereas demerits stay on your record for two years in terms of the province, your insurance company looks back three years. It doesn't matter if you take an AMA or other remedial driver's education course to lower your demerits by two...your insurance company could care less. |
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| MX5 Miata Guy |
quote:
Originally posted by Mavrick
Traditionally, the police are supposed to allow for 14 kilometers an hour as a margin of error, but of course they have the ability to give you a ticket anyway, if they so desire.
Who sold you that one? It's 10 at their voluntary discretion. The only reason it's there is simply to avoid the hastle of going to court on too many occurnances for people fighting small amount tickets.
BC (the land of the Frruits) regularly has zero-tolerance campaigns, whereby they ticket people at 1km/h over. I can remember the late Greg Moore in an interview on Letterman where he related his most silly ticket...going 1km/h over in Vancouver.
Photo radar is set up for 11km/h over the limit... Red light cameras, when eventually used for speed infractions, will likely ticket exactly at the limit, as your car actually triggers a physical device (sensor wire loop in the road surface) so there's no ambiguity involved...hence no need for allowances. Photo radar for instance is actually quite inaccurate when it's raining out. Laser doesn't work perfectly in certain lighting situations. You can't argue electric current and a computer. |
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| s2oooR |
hmmmm, thats pretty good... so doesnt really matter how many demerits you have... the insurance company doesnt look at that anyways :dunno:
works for me!
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by MX5 Miata Guy
Red light cameras, when eventually used for speed infractions, will likely ticket exactly at the limit, as your car actually triggers a physical device (sensor wire loop in the road surface) so there's no ambiguity involved...hence no need for allowances.
O/T
Regardless of whether it was an inductive loop, or piezo trigger that would be a little tricky to set up for speed determination wouldn't it? :confused: |
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| Mavrick |
quote:
Originally posted by MX5 Miata Guy
[B]Who sold you that one? It's 10 at their voluntary discretion. The only reason it's there is simply to avoid the hastle of going to court on too many occurnances for people fighting small amount tickets.
I said traditionally (as in years ago), as I haven't gotten a ticket in years. I also said 'supposed to', not have to. Times have changed and technology has gotten better, so it is not as likely that a speedometer should be out by that much any more, so I could certainly understand them getting a little tighter with the overage amount.
It is indeed completely up to the officer who pulls you over. As you mentioned, you can be ticketed at 1 km over.
I've been pulled over doing more than 180, and the cop didn't give me a ticket. Again, it is completely up to the officer, but please don't cross your fingers and hope for luck like I had that day. That was a once-in-a-lifetime lucky break that I know I will never get again.
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| Mekanik22 |
| My dad got a photoradar ticket for going 2 KM/H OVER!!!! WTF! :confused: Bastards with nothing better to do. Their ticket was like $5-$10...... :rolleyes: |
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| MX5 Miata Guy |
quote:
Originally posted by snugs
Regardless of whether it was an inductive loop, or piezo trigger that would be a little tricky to set up for speed determination wouldn't it?
A red light camera already computes speed. There are two loop sensors in the road, 1m apart (might be two). As soon as you cross the loops, the time differential between the two current readings determines your speed, and thereby the camera predicts when to actuate the flash and the second picture (the one showing you in the middle of the intersection).
Each and every red light camera photo shows time of day, speed, and some other data. It's easy as pie to have the camera simply work during the green cycle, simply catching speeders.
For the two cameras in use in Sherwood Park (out of the six locations), they've been including warning notifications for speed infractions in combination with the red light tickets for a while now. I think that Edmonton is also doing so. It's only a matter of time before the law is amended to allow for remote camera tickets for speeding to hold up in court. |
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| MX5 Miata Guy |
quote:
Originally posted by Mekanik22
My dad got a photoradar ticket for going 2 KM/H OVER!!!! WTF! :confused: Bastards with nothing better to do. Their ticket was like $5-$10......
Probably in a work zone, playground zone, or school zone (though those only came into effect on Sept 1). Your dad should know better... |
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| snugs |
quote:
Originally posted by MX5 Miata Guy
A red light camera already computes speed. There are two loop sensors in the road, 1m apart (might be two). As soon as you cross the loops, the time differential between the two current readings determines your speed, and thereby the camera predicts when to actuate the flash and the second picture (the one showing you in the middle of the intersection).
I was just curious about how they accounted for variations in axle count. :) |
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by Mekanik22
My dad got a photoradar ticket for going 2 KM/H OVER!!!! WTF! :confused: Bastards with nothing better to do. Their ticket was like $5-$10...... :rolleyes:
Please read my previous post regarding fines ...
There can't be a fine as low as $5 - $10 ???????????
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| MX5 Miata Guy |
quote:
Originally posted by snugs
I was just curious about how they accounted for variations in axle count.
Has nothing to do with axles...it's an inductive current generated by your car as it passes over the wire (think electromagnet). A bicycle has enough metal in it to trigger it (I've seen the photo). |
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| snugs |
quote:
Originally posted by MX5 Miata Guy
Has nothing to do with axles...it's an inductive current generated by your car as it passes over the wire (think electromagnet). A bicycle has enough metal in it to trigger it (I've seen the photo).
d'oh, i realised that after i posted... See what you get for drinking decaf. :( |
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| Wankel |
| Yeah the crown wudnt even move on the ticket, no demerits removed no nothing... no reduce in fine... insurance company sais it will not affect my insurance because A) its my first and B) its so little... but damn... wanted to go to 21 on a clean driving record! hahaha |
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| Mekanik22 |
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Originally posted by albertarc
Please read my previous post regarding fines ...
There can't be a fine as low as $5 - $10 ???????????
Jimbo:blink:
It was just a guesstimate. It was something low and rediculous.
Well those fines must have gone up because when I saw the ticket, it was lower then $57. This was like a year ago or some fuckin thing, I dunno. |
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| v8slayer |
I guy I work with was nailed for 2 KPH over on the Whitemud during rush hour.
He is 43 years old a family man and NO PRIOR TICKETS IN 7 YEARS.
He went to court and lost 220.00 for a days wage and lost his case and paid the fine.
He was so mad he went out during rush hour and parked right in front of the Photo van and put his hood up and asked the Photo guy to call a tow truck.
He made it look like he was trying to fix his car until the Radar guy asked if he could push his car out of the way because he was costing the GOV thousands of $$$$.
He then simply said he found the problem , said thanks and drove off waiving and smilling.
I thought it was a very passive polite way of giving it back to the GOV. Maybe we all should break down once and a while when we get a bogus ticket!
A greedy 60.00 cost them $$$$. |
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| Mavrick |
That's a great idea slayer! LOL! The next time I see a photo radar vehicle, I'm going to pull over and have a conversation with myself on my cellphone! After all, it's the right thing to do!
Mav. |
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| colossus |
I thought it was the weight of the vehicle i.e anything over 500 pounds. But I like the "Flash Gordon" Electro magnet story.:p |
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| POX |
| 5km? ist that wiht the limits of error for a speedometer and radar gun? |
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| 1991CRXsi |
A Ticket for 5km/h over the limit..
I thought they couldnt give you a ticket for anything 1-9km over the limit due to spedo error.. such as tires not inflated properly can effect the spedo reading etc etc
it is not required by law from my understanding that you have to have your spedo calibrated it just has to be working.
but in anycase.. improperly inflated tires can effect the spedo's readings... and im almost positive i read that somewhere aswell.
that from 1-9km/h couldnt be ticketed.. and basically taking away the so called " zero tolerance " rule police officers like to do.
a few people i knew got off tickets that were written 5km over due to this.. so either you got screwed or i'm behind on any updated laws. |
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