| DoubleDown |
Nice car :)
- Mike |
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| energie |
| was there something done to it? |
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| MX5 Miata Guy |
| Like maybe the hideous rear wing was removed and the lame on top of the engine intercooler was moved to where it should be (infront of the rad) such that the hideous hood scoop was replaced with a stock Impreza hood...making it a sleeper? |
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| energie |
| ^^they did that on tuner transformation |
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| se-i |
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Originally posted by energie
^^they did that on tuner transformation
I saw that one LOL |
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| RSN CRX |
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Originally posted by se-i
I saw that one LOL
I second that:D |
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| MX5 Miata Guy |
| I know of two STi's that have had that done. Worth doing in my mind... |
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| SilviaDrifter |
ohhhhh yes u gotta love it
HAHA the ruined it
dam tuner transformation |
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| jkilloran |
quote:
Originally posted by MX5 Miata Guy
Like maybe the hideous rear wing was removed and the lame on top of the engine intercooler was moved to where it should be (infront of the rad) such that the hideous hood scoop was replaced with a stock Impreza hood...making it a sleeper?
are you smoking something??????
That's like saying your 50/50 is useless, also that small Miatas should be crushed and used only by little kids for play. c'mon... if you payed attention - the spoiler is a functional piece on the STi as it CAN go fast enough for the downforce to be applied. Also, have you ever watched a rally? think about it... what's more likely to be effective - FMIC with a TON of dirt or a TMIC that is up and out of dirt's way? Think about it... a TMIC is way less available to flying rocks and damage than your prized and esteemed FMIC.
:beer: here's to you - king of ignorance |
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| jkilloran |
quote:
Originally posted by SilviaDrifter
ohhhhh yes u gotta love it
HAHA the ruined it
dam tuner transformation
right you are - looks more like the 04/05 RS than an STi...
that's like taking a mazdaspeed protoge and making it look like a regular protoge. |
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| SilviaDrifter |
quote:
Originally posted by jkilloran
are you smoking something??????
That's like saying your 50/50 is useless, also that small Miatas should be crushed and used only by little kids for play. c'mon... if you payed attention - the spoiler is a functional piece on the STi as it CAN go fast enough for the downforce to be applied. Also, have you ever watched a rally? think about it... what's more likely to be effective - FMIC with a TON of dirt or a TMIC that is up and out of dirt's way? Think about it... a TMIC is way less available to flying rocks and damage than your prized and esteemed FMIC.
:beer: here's to you - king of ignorance
ummmmmmmmmm if u didnt notice he was jokin
jus giving u the heads up:beer: |
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| jkilloran |
quote:
Originally posted by SilviaDrifter
ummmmmmmmmm if u didnt notice he was jokin
jus giving u the heads up:beer:
nope... didn't sound joking to me...
my appologies if you are kidding |
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| s2oooR |
didnt sound like he was joking to me either ....
and i happen to like the look of the STi... big wing, hoodscoop, etc, and all..... Actually thought about trading in my car for it but decided not to for other reasons (i.e how much more money I'd have to put in...lol) |
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| SilviaDrifter |
ohhh sorry never mind i didnt see that i thought he said WRONG doing not Worth doing
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| 95IntegraRS |
| Holy off topic. |
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| k_mac501 |
quote:
Originally posted by jkilloran
are you smoking something??????
That's like saying your 50/50 is useless, also that small Miatas should be crushed and used only by little kids for play. c'mon... if you payed attention - the spoiler is a functional piece on the STi as it CAN go fast enough for the downforce to be applied. Also, have you ever watched a rally? think about it... what's more likely to be effective - FMIC with a TON of dirt or a TMIC that is up and out of dirt's way? Think about it... a TMIC is way less available to flying rocks and damage than your prized and esteemed FMIC.
:beer: here's to you - king of ignorance
they both have advantages. most rally cars actually use fmic's.
and that wing does look pretty dumb i dont think it would actually hurt it that much to take it off. especially since a majority of sti owners do not rally or go 250km/h |
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| ~S20o0~ |
| I think the STI looks Sweet! my brother in-law just bought one for 40g's brand new from the dealer (thanx to my friend)...can't wait till he starts racing it next year! (see you guys at the track!) =) |
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| Flex |
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Originally posted by ~S20o0~
I think the STI looks Sweet! my brother in-law just bought one for 40g's brand new from the dealer (thanx to my friend)...can't wait till he starts racing it next year! (see you guys at the track!) =)
I'd have to see that to beleive it......thats the same price as a WRX |
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| ~S20o0~ |
quote:
Originally posted by Flex
I'd have to see that to beleive it......thats the same price as a WRX
ok as soon as he gets the sti i'll prove it some how...? my friend's dad owns a subaru dealership so thats how i think i'll get one 2.(just not now) |
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| MX5 Miata Guy |
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Originally posted by jkilloran
are you smoking something??????
Nope...are you?
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c'mon... if you payed attention - the spoiler is a functional piece on the STi as it CAN go fast enough for the downforce to be applied.
Functional or not...it's a shopping cart handle...there to attract people's attention more than to be functional. It's like the wing put on the Charger Superbirds in the 60s...though only slightly more subtle. The STI wing is there only to stand out...which doesn't meet a functional requirement in my books. And no, nobody's going the speeds that a WRC car is either...as I can see your next reply...about the WRC Suby's rear wing.
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Also, have you ever watched a rally? think about it... what's more likely to be effective - FMIC with a TON of dirt or a TMIC that is up and out of dirt's way? Think about it... a TMIC is way less available to flying rocks and damage than your prized and esteemed FMIC.
Watched...heck I used to rally. I still work them. Every WRC team runs their intercoolers in front of the radiator...as they're more air there. What are you watching? There's only so much intake charge cooling you can do with a top-mounted intercooler...Mazda knows it (FC RX-7 Turbo-II versus the FD twin-sequential turbo RX-7....Subaru knows it...but it's cheaper to do a top mount.
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here's to you - king of ignorance
Right back at you... |
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| jkilloran |
quote:
Originally posted by MX5 Miata Guy
Nope...are you?
Functional or not...it's a shopping cart handle...there to attract people's attention more than to be functional. It's like the wing put on the Charger Superbirds in the 60s...though only slightly more subtle. The STI wing is there only to stand out...which doesn't meet a functional requirement in my books. And no, nobody's going the speeds that a WRC car is either...as I can see your next reply...about the WRC Suby's rear wing.
Watched...heck I used to rally. I still work them. Every WRC team runs their intercoolers in front of the radiator...as they're more air there. What are you watching? There's only so much intake charge cooling you can do with a top-mounted intercooler...Mazda knows it (FC RX-7 Turbo-II versus the FD twin-sequential turbo RX-7....Subaru knows it...but it's cheaper to do a top mount.
Right back at you...
Oh god... give me a break...
that hoodscoop is an eyecatcher but it's functional... I'd rather have my car stand out a bit as opposed to the rest of the civic look-alikes. And what's this about functional requirements??? your book is complete BS cuz last time I checked that hood scoop cools the crap outa thos I/Cs...
As far as wing functionality goes... that wing is functional at 80MPH or more... which is just over 120KPH That's easily done on a trip between Edmonton and calgary without even trying. How about Nevada? I'm willing to bet there's lots of STi drivers that blow through the desert over 80MPH. The STi (IMO) was made to be an "out-of-the-box" rally or auto-x car while still being able to be driven as a daily driver.
TMIC vs FMIC - we could sit here and argue until we're blue in the face... I've followed that argument on other forums... and the truth is... it really doesn't matter. A TMIC is generally smaller, so therefore lighter and has less I/C piping than a traditional FMIC meaning more boost to the TB faster.
Anyway - I don't wanna cause problems or start isht... so I'm going to leave it as this: You have some good points but ultimately it's all opinions. I like the STi the way it is (god damn headlights) and you don't. Let's just agree to disagree |
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| crazyrx7 |
I call bullshit that your brother in-law paid $40g's for the Sti. The dealer pays $42g's to get them and then sells it for $47 900. So I doubt the dealership is going to loose $2000 because they are buddies. When I bought mine there was no hagling with them. Even other people that I know that have STI's paid full sticker. If you want to play you have to pay otherwise no one would buy a normal wrx if for $2500 more you can buy an STI. Just my $0.02.
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| JustinL |
Miata Guy is totally right.
I'll start with a picture of the 2004 WRC STi. 
Note the lack of TMIC. The hood scoop on the WRC car is purely there to keep it looking like the road version... maybe a little cooling.
Where are the rocks and flying debris to clog up the intercooler? The other car that went by 2 minutes ago?
Who's the real king of ignorance? |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| I can see through boggy marshes where mud can get clogged into the air's pathway and in icy conditions where snow buildup may be a problem, but I'm sure they have ways to counteract that, thats why they're in the Rally business. |
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| jkilloran |
This is so funny... I never once said ANYTHING about the WRC team. Did I???? No, moron, I said in rallies... the common rallies that you or I could partake in... not the WRC car that literally cost hundreds of thousands if not more. Do you seriously think that every subaru entered into a rally has that exact setup? NO!
If you look carefully they don't have a true TMIC as the IC is behind the grill NOT in front of the lower part of the RAD. Also, if you look carefully there isn't any room for a TMIC... there's too much "other stuff" in the way. The WRC's I/C is more of a hybrid. Up high and out of the way of debris (don't be stupid there are occasions when they have caught other drivers) while still being mounted toward the front.
I love how we're comparing a "sleeper" version, street version, and WRC...
They are all the same - yes - all the same :rolleyes: |
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| ~S20o0~ |
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Originally posted by crazyrx7
I call bullshit that your brother in-law paid $40g's for the Sti. The dealer pays $42g's to get them and then sells it for $47 900. So I doubt the dealership is going to loose $2000 because they are buddies. When I bought mine there was no hagling with them. Even other people that I know that have STI's paid full sticker. If you want to play you have to pay otherwise no one would buy a normal wrx if for $2500 more you can buy an STI. Just my $0.02.
R.K.
I CALL :asshole: !!!...i'll prove you wrong as soon as he gets it! |
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| po9rs4ch4e |
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Originally posted by ~S20o0~
I CALL :asshole: !!!...i'll prove you wrong as soon as he gets it!
i'm gonna call b.s on that too.. did the DEALERSHIP tell you they pick them up for 47K? Dealerships make huge cash on cars. How do you think they can give these 7/10K "deals" off of the "retail price". I'd love to see what dealerships REALLY pay for their cars! You'd be amazed, just like the cost on producing the item, and then the mark-up for wholesale, then the final price for the general consumer it's :blink: !
Anyhow about the sti's damn nice! I always see a blue one with an older asian guy driving, has the earset on and everything, must be a major player in the business field! :bthumbup: you should stop these guys and ask them what they do so in 10 yrs you can be driving nice cars like that.. and not the beaters we have now haha |
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| JustinL |
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Originally posted by jkilloran
This is so funny... I never once said ANYTHING about the WRC team. Did I???? No, moron, I said in rallies... the common rallies that you or I could partake in... not the WRC car that literally cost hundreds of thousands if not more. Do you seriously think that every subaru entered into a rally has that exact setup? NO!
If you look carefully they don't have a true TMIC as the IC is behind the grill NOT in front of the lower part of the RAD. Also, if you look carefully there isn't any room for a TMIC... there's too much "other stuff" in the way. The WRC's I/C is more of a hybrid. Up high and out of the way of debris (don't be stupid there are occasions when they have caught other drivers) while still being mounted toward the front.
I love how we're comparing a "sleeper" version, street version, and WRC...
They are all the same - yes - all the same :rolleyes:
Heheh you're so easy to get a rise out of :)
Well, lets start from the top. First of all, we were talking about WRC cars as miata guy used them as an example, to which you replied that the hood scoop is functional... to which I replied with a picture clearly showing it's not.
Your second paragraph I assume you meant to say FMIC. While it's true that the intercooler is not in front of the radiator, it's still a FMIC as it pulls air from the front bumper and not though the hood. Do you not think that if top mount intercoolers were the best setup, that WRC cars with infinite resources would use them?
One more thing... if you were designing a rally car would you design it to run best in a solo situation or close behind another competitor?
I'm having fun with this discussion, some of you guys get in such a huff over this stuff :blue:
Oh yeah... check your intercooler for rocks and bugs, you'll be surprised how many rocks and bugs will get in there and roll around on top of it. |
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| jkilloran |
quote:
Originally posted by JustinL
Heheh you're so easy to get a rise out of :)
Well, lets start from the top. First of all, we were talking about WRC cars as miata guy used them as an example, to which you replied that the hood scoop is functional... to which I replied with a picture clearly showing it's not.
Your second paragraph I assume you meant to say FMIC. While it's true that the intercooler is not in front of the radiator, it's still a FMIC as it pulls air from the front bumper and not though the hood. Do you not think that if top mount intercoolers were the best setup, that WRC cars with infinite resources would use them?
One more thing... if you were designing a rally car would you design it to run best in a solo situation or close behind another competitor?
I'm having fun with this discussion, some of you guys get in such a huff over this stuff :blue:
Oh yeah... check your intercooler for rocks and bugs, you'll be surprised how many rocks and bugs will get in there and roll around on top of it.
ok ok... so ya got me... seemed like you were being more of an ass than you really were then. but with the hoodscoop there's no way they could keep a tmic and do all the mods they wanted to.... but they do have the hood performing another function... cooling... yes cooling... it's removing the air from behind the IC (I'm assuming that's what it's doing). Anyway enough of the hoodscop... I'm just thankful it isn't a stupid lil thing that is put on cars like the celicas or srt4s that are truly non-functional. the WRX and STi hoodscoops are functional regardless of what anyone thinks of them. take out the hoodscoop and you have one damn hot charge going into your TB. I don't think that TMICs are the best - I'm just pointing out another perspective... and that being that on www.nasioc.com the TMIC vs FMIC debate has been argued for thread upon thread and it always arrives at the same conclusion - it's 6 of one 1/2 dozen of the other.
Who said anything about having a TMIC???? I don't have turbo :mad: as I own a 99 RS. And yes, I do have a hoodscoop, and no it's not a truly functional hoodscoop... but I like it anyway... it's OEM and I like it that way.
oh yeah - gonna take me for a ride in your turbo porsche????? ;) |
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| JustinL |
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[i]
oh yeah - gonna take me for a ride in your turbo porsche????? ;) [/B]
Absolutely... you gotta be under 180 lbs though my seats are small.
I can meet you half way on this isue. IMHO FMIC are a better performance IC than a TMIC. Strictly due to airflow and in spite of slight increase in lag. Aparently most rally teams think along the same lines.
The reason that manufacturers use top mount over front mount is for cost savings, streetability and crash testing. (hence the reason we don't have the EVO here). I've picked rocks out my share of WRX TMIC, let me tell you that they get just as much crap stuck in them... but it doesn't fall out. And yes the scoop on the road going version of the WRX is very functional, I actually think it's one of the most attractive parts of the exterior for that very reason.
I still maintain that they have the hood scoop on the WRC car just so it looks like the road version so people can think they drive a car that's "just like the one on T.V.!" That vent is friggin brilliant on the hood of the STi WRC.
Should we start discussing the rear wing now? I can argue on either side of that one ;)
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| JustinL |
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Originally posted by jkilloran
but they do have the hood performing another function... cooling... yes cooling... it's removing the air from behind the IC (I'm assuming that's what it's doing). Anyway enough of the hoodscop...
Just re-read your post. I'm not sure what you're saying here. have a look at this picture: There are actually two holes in the hood. One that vents the hot intercooler, and a scoop that does....well it looks pretty :)
The WRC scoop is more rice than the road going version! hahaha |
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| Wheelhop |
quote:
The WRC scoop is more rice than the road going version! hahaha
LOL! Good one!
The general consensus is that after about 80-90 mph air flow hitting the front of the car completely bypasses the hood scoop on both the wrx and sti.
I personally love the STI's looks, wing and all. If I wouldn't look like a total poser I'd consider putting one on my wrx.
I wouldn't change to a fmic for my daily driver due to increased lag. But if I was to upgrade the turbo and the car was strictly for performance driving I would definatly go fmic. |
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| po9rs4ch4e |
it should go w/o saying that a FMIC will be more efficient then a TMIC strictly due to air flow :D.. then there's 911's that, instead of puttin em up front and running ALL that piping, just slap them on the tail, those would be just as in-efficient as tmic's, if not worse i'd imagine.
i'd love to see the programs these companies use when running air flow on cars. they say one of the best wind tunnel experiments is done with 911's, not to beat my own drum or anything since it's a porsche :p |
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| ~S20o0~ |
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Originally posted by po9rs4ch4e
i'm gonna call b.s on that too.. did the DEALERSHIP tell you they pick them up for 47K? Dealerships make huge cash on cars. How do you think they can give these 7/10K "deals" off of the "retail price". I'd love to see what dealerships REALLY pay for their cars! You'd be amazed, just like the cost on producing the item, and then the mark-up for wholesale, then the final price for the general consumer it's :blink: !
I can't wait to rub this in all of your faces when he gets his car i'll prove it! and again my friend's dad owns the dealer ship and say he will beat what ever the dealership can offer and the dealer said 46g's and my friends dad says 40-41g's so NOW WHAT! i'll prove my self soon!:read: :neener: |
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| Flex |
quote:
Originally posted by ~S20o0~
I can't wait to rub this in all of your faces when he gets his car i'll prove it! and again my friend's dad owns the dealer ship and say he will beat what ever the dealership can offer and the dealer said 46g's and my friends dad says 40-41g's so NOW WHAT! i'll prove my self soon!:read: :neener:
What dealership does he own??? I would like to see the proof.....I just find it hard to beleive as not one dealership would move a dime when I was looking for one. But if he gets one for that then sweet........hes getting a wicked car for an awesome price.
But like I said before I'll beleive it when I see it. |
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| ~S20o0~ |
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Originally posted by Flex
What dealership does he own??? I would like to see the proof.....I just find it hard to beleive as not one dealership would move a dime when I was looking for one. But if he gets one for that then sweet........hes getting a wicked car for an awesome price.
But like I said before I'll beleive it when I see it.
I don't really feel like i need to name the dealer but i 2 would not beleive it but i promise as soon as it rolls in i'll post prof:bthumbup: thanx for not being an :asshole: about this. again i'll post prof soon. |
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| crazyrx7 |
If its in Edmonton then both of the dealerships are owned by the same guy. I believe they also own the Hyundai dealerships. Once he gets the bill of sale just post a pic of it on the forum. It better say 2005 Sti not a used one.
R.K. |
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| Flex |
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Originally posted by ~S20o0~
I don't really feel like i need to name the dealer but i 2 would not beleive it but i promise as soon as it rolls in i'll post prof:bthumbup: thanx for not being an :asshole: about this. again i'll post prof soon.
no problem, theres no need to be an :asshole: about it at all
Well if he can give a good price on one and you let me know the dealership........he just may earn himself a new customer......:bthumbup: |
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| Pro Drag |
Now I know why this place has earned the nickname 780 Tooner's from some people.
What a circus this thread has become. |
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| 04_WRX_STi |
| It's next to impossible to get a deal. I asked for just alittle break on my STi, they told me take it or leave it. No deals!!!! There was no pressure, like buying any other car. The salesman told me the price...and thats final. Gave me a WRX and a WRC hat though :D |
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| crazyrx7 |
Did your buddy get the car yet or what?
R.K. |
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| ~S20o0~ |
| No not yet but he's currently in the process of getting a 1993+ Supra...so be on the look out for a supra now (well not exactly right now but soon). as for the sti still waiting on a call from my friend (the one that said he'll get the STI for 40g's for my brother in law) have no idea what happened, havent spoke with either my brother in law or friend for a while :dunno: |
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| 1mns13 |
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Originally posted by 2003specv
Don't worry Aaron, I'll save this thread yet.
http://www3.telus.net/2003specv/DoubleJdonuts.mpeg
My friend did that with his Laser RS AWD a few years ago. That was one dizzy ride. We did it at work and had the parking guys wondering what was going on. |
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| crazyrx7 |
Good luck on getting that supra. Chances are he won't find one for under $40 000 in good condition. So then after he buys the supra he is going to buy an sti? Either he has more money than he can deal with or I call this whole thread BS. Thats just my $0.02.
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| ~S20o0~ |
| well right now he's leaning towards a Supra and money isn't a big factor for him. As for an STI that will be his second choice (for 40g's) i'll post pics of either car when he gets one of them as for this thread being "bullshit"..... here's my answer crazyrx7 :thefinger |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| Yea cause pictures of Supras and STi's are hard to come by... who cares... |
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| ~S20o0~ |
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Originally posted by 95IntegraRS
Yea cause pictures of Supras and STi's are hard to come by... who cares...
Ok smart ass then how else do i prove my self? :thefinger :asshole: |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| I don't think anyone really cares anymore. Wow, your friend is getting a Supra or STi. Whoop dee doo. My buddy just bought an SRT-4, who cares... |
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| ~S20o0~ |
| THEN STOP POSTING !!!:banghead: i don't even care!!! i never did! all of you asked me how! SO STOP POSTING :asshole: :mad: |
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