| CYA |
lol... this is causing quite the stir.
here's a time slip of a full pass. keep in mind this is a drag car that was optimized for it's power level in order to pull off the quickest et's it was capable of. but it still gives us some valuable info and examples of the laws of physics.
60' = 1.57 (it was spinning, shoulda been a 1.48-1.49)
330' = 4.39
1/8 = 6.81
1/8 mph = 101.17
1000' = 8.93
1/4 = 10.73
1/4 mph = 124.6
for the civic to pull a faster 330' time than the above by a smoking 0.2 seconds this would mean it is a low 10 second car. this certainly does suit the way the car looks appearance wise but given past performance it's just way too far off.
so if all the timing beams and what not were not faulty on your run this means you let off shortly after 330' mark and coasted down almost 3/4's of the track to run a low 11. LOL. sorry... just no way that is possible for your car.
also take note the MPH on that time slip. you're looking at 101.17MPH at the 8th mile to pull a 124mph on a good launch. although the trap speed is a bit low for that ET it is possible with almost perfect launches. you only ran 89mph at the 8th mile. your speed at the 8th mile mark is indicative of a 12 second run.
for my car to run the 124mph it was in the low 11's. so if you coasted to a low 11 your car should trap much higher than the 124mph. how can you run 89mph in the 8th and and coast to a low 11? just think it through. you'll see that it's just not possible and something was wrong with the run. |
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| Pro Drag |
Upon further review:
The way to measure the e.t. would be to time the car from the moment the "Staged" light goes out. Rob's car trips the lights on his side. The Sivik does not. However the Sivik does flicker the Pre-Stage Light momentarily. I would estimate that Rob had about a car length on me off the line.
This is not an low 11 second pass.:(
I only have WMP 10 to review the video, so I cannot view the run in .001 of a second.
If Insomniac could review the video once more and time the Sivik from when it trips the pre-stage beam (even though I have 4" of travel before I should trip the stage beam)to when it trips the lights on the tower, I would appreciate it. Just because I am curious.:p |
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| v8slayer |
| You can't judge a time by when the win light goes on because its not instant. |
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| THEONE |
| What????:dunno: That looks like a 12 second run to me! |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by THEONE
What????:dunno: That looks like a 12 second run to me!
If you READ the thread:
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The run wasn't backed up on Sunday. The lean condition finally got the best of the STOCK Integra LS Longblock. It put a window in the block at the beginning of 4th gear.I am a big fan of consistency, if you want to put the 11.19 run up on the list, please put a "*" next to it to indicate it was not backed up.
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| Pro Drag |
| Why did you change your original post Ron? |
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| THEONE |
| Because I watched the vid after!:rolleyes: |
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| Pro Drag |
What does everybody else think of the "*" idea next to unbacked up runs?
I wouldn't have it any other way. |
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| vr6T |
| If a car went out and ran 10.0@142mph and broke in the last 10 ft. of the pass I'd think the idea of a '*' for unbacked up run is a fine idea, but a '*' beside an unbacked up time because of a timing error is a different story ;) |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by vr6T
If a car went out and ran 10.0@142mph and broke in the last 10 ft. of the pass I'd think the idea of a '*' for unbacked up run is a fine idea, but a '*' beside an unbacked up time because of a timing error is a different story ;)
To clarify, I TOTALLY AGREE.
It is clear to me and everybody else that the Sivik didn't do an 11.19. The proof that the lights didn't trip is right there in the video.
I am still an advocate of consistency. What does everybody else think of the " * " beside runs that were not backed up? |
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| THEONE |
| I see no problem with a *** on a unbacked up run. I hope that bud gets this straight because it would be a shame to loose a good run because of a timming error!:( |
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| Pro Drag |
| I have a handfull of slips here to back up the 12.25, it was backed up by a 12.3 on the same day. |
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| Insomniac |
quote:
Originally posted by Pro Drag
Upon further review:
The way to measure the e.t. would be to time the car from the moment the "Staged" light goes out. Rob's car trips the lights on his side. The Sivik does not. However the Sivik does flicker the Pre-Stage Light momentarily. I would estimate that Rob had about a car length on me off the line.
This is not an low 11 second pass.:(
I only have WMP 10 to review the video, so I cannot view the run in .001 of a second.
If Insomniac could review the video once more and time the Sivik from when it trips the pre-stage beam (even though I have 4" of travel before I should trip the stage beam)to when it trips the lights on the tower, I would appreciate it. Just because I am curious.:p
I looked at the video again. The Sivik's Stage bulb goes out at 20.26 seconds. Way late. The car's back tires are well past the beams at this point. The Pre-Stage bulb stays on until the tree is out of the camera's view (21.10+), AFTER the back tires have crossed the 60 foot marker. Something was way wrong. |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by Insomniac
I looked at the video again. The Sivik's Stage bulb goes out at 20.26 seconds. Way late. The car's back tires are well past the beams at this point. The Pre-Stage bulb stays on until the tree is out of the camera's view (21.10+), AFTER the back tires have crossed the 60 foot marker. Something was way wrong.
Watch more carefully, the pre-stage bulb flickers when the Sivik starts it's forward motion. That is the moment that I would like an E.T. from.
Edit: it looks to me to be around the mid to late 19 second mark. |
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| Insomniac |
the light flickers off at the 19.19 seconds.
That means 12.88 seconds between the Pre-stage bulb flicking off and the board lighting up.
BTW, my program seems to move in .06 second increments. |
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| Insomniac |
| Ok, I think the list is now current. |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by THEONE
I see no problem with a *** on a unbacked up run. I hope that bud gets this straight because it would be a shame to loose a good run because of a timming error!:(
Did you back up your 12.0 in Calgary? |
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| THEONE |
quote:
Originally posted by Pro Drag
Did you back up your 12.0 in Calgary?
For one thing I didn't run a 12.0 in Calgary? I ran it in Edmonton and yes it was backed up I'm ashamed to say!:( One other idea might be some kind of recognition on the list for street cars compared to race cars. For people who don't know much there is a big difference between making a heavy street car go fast on street, compared to making a light wieght race car go fast? Now that there is a couple of "shop" cars they should maybe even have there own list. I know Apex is gunning to be the fastest shop car in town:bthumbup: |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by THEONE
For one thing I didn't run a 12.0 in Calgary? I ran it in Edmonton and yes it was backed up I'm ashamed to say!:( One other idea might be some kind of recognition on the list for street cars compared to race cars. For people who don't know much there is a big difference between making a heavy street car go fast on street, compared to making a light wieght race car go fast? Now that there is a couple of "shop" cars they should maybe even have there own list. I know Apex is gunning to be the fastest shop car in town:bthumbup:
I think that having "Zippys/Pro Drag" or "Apex Modified" as the owners of the car identifies it as a sponsored car and more than likely a "Race Car". What does everybody else think?
I agree that there is more involved in making a "Street Car" as fast as a "Race Car". Darryl's 11.96 on pump gas and street tires wasn't a fluke. There was a lot of TIME and money spent in the right places to pull that off. Don't look for us to stop there either.
It is nice to see another shop finally step up and offer some competition for the Sivik. Adam and the Apex guys were the first FWD competitors to actually line up against the Sivik, instead of hiding in the pits when it was time for eliminations like in years past.:bthumbup: :beer: |
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| CYA |
quote:
Originally posted by Pro Drag
It is nice to see another shop finally step up and offer some competition for the Sivik.
what do you mean finally?
the midtown crx was running 12's at 115-118mph before the civic ever did. and it was never stripped down... always full interior and even a stereo.
i see a lot of the crowd giving thumbs up for all the other shop cars but the midtown crew hardly gets the recognition they deserve.
bottom line is that the midtown crx is a street car... not a race car and they're neck and neck with you guys. |
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| Insomniac |
i'd tend to agree, that they deserve more recognition.
keep in mind that they're doing it on dot radials too. :eek: |
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| THEONE |
quote:
Originally posted by CYA
what do you mean finally?
the midtown crx was running 12's at 115-118mph before the civic ever did. and it was never stripped down... always full interior and even a stereo.
i see a lot of the crowd giving thumbs up for all the other shop cars but the midtown crew hardly gets the recognition they deserve.
bottom line is that the midtown crx is a street car... not a race car and they're neck and neck with you guys.
I agree that CRX is very impressive! Keep up the good work guys!
P.S Apexs SRT is still street legal all glass, headlights, etc..! |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by THEONE
One other idea might be some kind of recognition on the list for street cars compared to race cars. For people who don't know much there is a big difference between making a heavy street car go fast on street, compared to making a light wieght race car go fast? Now that there is a couple of "shop" cars they should maybe even have there own list.
Ron, I made a similar suggestion on Page 3 of this very thread, and I got slammed by almost everyone for even mentioning the thought.
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
Ron, I made a similar suggestion on Page 3 of this very thread, and I got slammed by almost everyone for even mentioning the thought.
:dunno:
Hmm.. I remembered reading that and i went back and checked and it seemed that the suggestion you made was to differentiate between 'shop' cars and 'personal' cars, which I think is a much different suggestion than separating 'street legal' and 'outlaw' cars.
For what it's worth, my opinion is that we don't have enough competition yet to start a split list, however the idea might be a good one if there are more people next year making fast imports. |
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| Ninja III |
quote:
Originally posted by THEONE
I agree that CRX is very impressive! Keep up the good work guys!
Thanks for the recognition.
P.S Apexs SRT is still street legal all glass, headlights, etc..!
:bthumbup:
Great to see another FWD car doing good times. Can't wait to see one of the FWD cars break the 11's. Maybe next year one of us will.
Good times Racing
Stewart Sim
Long Live Ninja III |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by CYA
what do you mean finally?
the midtown crx was running 12's at 115-118mph before the civic ever did. and it was never stripped down... always full interior and even a stereo.
i see a lot of the crowd giving thumbs up for all the other shop cars but the midtown crew hardly gets the recognition they deserve.
bottom line is that the midtown crx is a street car... not a race car and they're neck and neck with you guys.
I think you are wrong on the timeline CYA.
What I mean when I say finally:
Up until Apex lined up against the Sivik, no other shop in Alberta had lined up there car against ours. We were scheduled to line up against a couple Midtown cars in the past and they failed to answer the call in eliminations. This resulted in a # of "bye" runs for us. No real reason to push the equipment that hard on a "bye" run.
In fact, up until this past weekend, Mitsuman was the only car to line up against us in competition.
The Sivik finally stretched a rod bolt after 3 seasons at the track. 1.5 of those seasons were in the low 12's even dipping into the high 11's trapping between 118-120 MPH.
It has never really broken on us, we starved it of gasoline a couple times (forgot to put gas in it) but other than human error it has been very reliable. The same can't be said for the other "shop" cars.
I do commend Ninja III on it's performance, it is time for us to step it up a notch. I sincerely look forward to that showdown at the track, it has been a long time coming.:beer: |
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| Adam @ Apex |
| October 10th Blaine.....I'll be there with our car will you have yours done??????:p |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| This I wanna see. |
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| THEONE |
| Me too! But wait I had my car a JB's this summer and Blaine was talking about racing and never even showed up? Since I have my own shop up here in McMurry I guess you can't say no shop in Alberta has wanted to line up against you. Then again all I have to race is my daily driver:dunno: |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| 9-second capable daily driver? Hah. |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by THEONE
Me too! But wait I had my car a JB's this summer and Blaine was talking about racing and never even showed up? Since I have my own shop up here in McMurry I guess you can't say no shop in Alberta has wanted to line up against you. Then again all I have to race is my daily driver:dunno:
I'm sure Black Sunshine would love to line up against you.
2 full interior street cars on street tires, and pump gas. October 10th, whaddya say? |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by Adam @ Apex
October 10th Blaine.....I'll be there with our car will you have yours done??????:p
We're working on it. We really don't want want to simply replace the shortblock with another stock LS shortblock. That is about the only thing that could be accomplished in time. Then again I would like a remach.:bthumbup:
1.8L turbo vs. 2.4L turbo/nitrous.:beer: |
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| Adam @ Apex |
quote:
Originally posted by Pro Drag
1.8L turbo vs. 2.4L turbo/nitrous.:beer:
You make it sound as though we have something more.:asshole:
I think youre turbo is actually 3 or 4 times the size of ours.
Pretty much the same power outputs...you got a bit more horse and I got a little more torque but I'm also a a few hundred heavier....we'll see. It'll be a good match.
Oh well...if you dont make it out theres always next year. But if you dont come out you know its my responsibility and duty to razz the hell out of you. Right?
:p :p :p |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| Hurry up and finish rebuilding your Civic Blaine. I wanna see a grudge match. Hah. |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by THEONE
Me too! But wait I had my car a JB's this summer and Blaine was talking about racing and never even showed up? Since I have my own shop up here in McMurry I guess you can't say no shop in Alberta has wanted to line up against you. Then again all I have to race is my daily driver:dunno:
You have an actual shop in McMurry? Like a physical shop with lifts and mechanics and stuff? I'm not trying to be a dumbass honestly I just thought you were a third-party parts reseller. Feel free to slap me if I've been ignorant of your operations up there. |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by Adam @ Apex
You make it sound as though we have something more.:asshole:
I think youre turbo is actually 3 or 4 times the size of ours.
Right and he's got to spool that big sucker with 25% less displacement. Just thought I'd point out the obvious. :)
quote:
Originally posted by Adam @ Apex
Oh well...if you dont make it out theres always next year. But if you dont come out you know its my responsibility and duty to razz the hell out of you. Right?
Feel free to razz him regardless. He drives a Civic, remember? (*ducks* *hides*). |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by Pro Drag
I'm sure Black Sunshine would love to line up against you.
2 full interior street cars on street tires, and pump gas. October 10th, whaddya say?
Doh except I won't be here Oct 10 otherwise I'd jump at the chance. How's about, you race my best timeslip this year? Remember, street tires, pump gas! :). I was running Petro Can 91 if you want to make it exactly the same. |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by Adam @ Apex
You make it sound as though we have something more.:asshole:
I think youre turbo is actually 3 or 4 times the size of ours.
Pretty much the same power outputs...you got a bit more horse and I got a little more torque but I'm also a a few hundred heavier....we'll see. It'll be a good match.
Oh well...if you dont make it out theres always next year. But if you dont come out you know its my responsibility and duty to razz the hell out of you. Right?
:p :p :p
It's all in good fun and sportsmanship.:bthumbup: |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by DarrylBleau
Doh except I won't be here Oct 10 otherwise I'd jump at the chance. How's about, you race my best timeslip this year? Remember, street tires, pump gas! :). I was running Petro Can 91 if you want to make it exactly the same.
Why do all you AWD guys keep bragging about STREET TIRES.
Little"D" you have R-comp Yokies that broke an axle.
Your saying it's only fair if he uses street tires on a FWD when your tires basicly are slick performance.
How about you both do a 1.7* 60' and then see who was faster.
As for the 91 octane I think thats fair if both cars are confirmed with that.
I'm really curious to see how a full blown 4G64 race engine with e-manage , water injection and the best boltons money can buy all bolted into a semi race prepped chassis does against a BONE STOCK FWD SRT-4 with a small shot of NOS.
Should be interesting at the least. |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer
Why do all you AWD guys keep bragging about STREET TIRES.
Little"D" you have R-comp Yokies that broke an axle.
Your saying it's only fair if he uses street tires on a FWD when your tires basicly are slick performance.
How about you both do a 1.7* 60' and then see who was faster.
As for the 91 octane I think thats fair if both cars are confirmed with that.
I'm really curious to see how a full blown 4G64 race engine with e-manage , water injection and the best boltons money can buy all bolted into a semi race prepped chassis does against a BONE STOCK FWD SRT-4 with a small shot of NOS.
Should be interesting at the least.
It's called, read the thread before you post. It's quite simple actually. If you read said thread, you'll notice we're talking about me racing Ron, whom as I'm sure you know, also has a AWD talon with significant mods.
As for 'why do you AWD guys (By the way Rog, aren't you one of those as well?) keep bragging about street tires?', it has nothing to do with bragging, it has to do with measuring one cars STREET performance against another. Quite simply, slicks are not street legal. That's all there is to it. Personally I don't give a shit if someone can beat me on slicks, my car is a street car not a trailer queen. If you run slicks you aren't racing a street legal car against another street legal car. It's that simple. If you have to run slicks to be competitive, then why stop there. Just trailor in an 8 second mustang and be done with it. Or you could just start with a car that doesn't need slicks to begin with. You know my opinion on WWD cars.. not a good platform to start with. It seems that 'needing' slicks is just compensating for not having started with a more suited platform. Me, I like to drive on the street with no comprimises. The Talon project is intended to be a drag and autox capable car, hence the AWD. When I build a pure drag car, I will start with a RWD platform as it's more suited to that environment. (All of you that run FWD, no disrespect. However, you all know that the reason FWD cars are built, and it has nothing to do with performance).
And, as you mention, there are some good street legal tires (like the A032R) that are slick-like in performance, so why not run those and have the same performance on and off the track? (Also interesting, the A032R is one of the best rain tires I've ever run. Gobs of traction, street legal, eats rain for breakfast.. who needs slicks anyway?).
Speaking of water injection, it should be noted that it was off at the SCC (except for one slower run when I was just seeing if it worked).
(Roger, I still don't understand your need to defend the SRT4 everytime you think someone is putting it down.. It's just a machine! Honest they didn't hide any special black magic power dust in there...). |
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| v8slayer |
You should still race the APEX SRT though now that I think of it.
I'm curious ;) |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer
You should still race the APEX SRT though now that I think of it.
I'm curious ;)
Ok. Trailer queen race (ala race gas and slicks) or street-style race? (ala pump gas and street tires). Doesn' t matter much to me :). I'll bet I could hook a 1.4 60' on slicks.
I suppose I should mention that this would have to be next year as I'm in the carribean on Oct 10th. |
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| Insomniac |
| how bout an SRT vs STi race??? THat'd be a good one...:dunno: |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by Insomniac
how bout an SRT vs STi race??? THat'd be a good one...:dunno:
Ok deal. I'll bring the STi too. While we're at it, can I bring the Skyline? |
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| Adam @ Apex |
Bring whatever you want I'll beat your ass down HARD!!!
:p :p :p :p
Prolly not but I can try and act tough at the same time:lol:
Hey Blain will the car be ready?? |
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| Insomniac |
| i meant v8slayer srt vs the sti |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by Insomniac
i meant v8slayer srt vs the sti
That race has been on since he got his SRT4. But for some reason he won't come out. |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by DarrylBleau
That race has been on since he got his SRT4. But for some reason he won't come out.
That's new to me.
Should have made a date before I sold all my shit I guess eh!
OH I remember now, you wanted me to use 205 wide tread street tires against your monster awd r-compound tires.
I said slicks and its on and both you and Blaine cryed foul.
Why is Blaine always in your decission making?Are you guys more than friends.;)
Don't worry next year my friend! |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by v8slayer
Don't worry next year my friend!
That sounds familiar.
BTW, what's with all the recent talk of your SRT-4 vs. ____? What ever happened to your TALON vs. "whatever"?? Hasn't that been a big question some have been waiting to see answered since, oh... 2001 at least? Just curious. |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
That sounds familiar.
BTW, what's with all the recent talk of your SRT-4 vs. ____? What ever happened to your TALON vs. "whatever"?? Hasn't that been a big question some have been waiting to see answered since, oh... 2001 at least? Just curious.
I WAS RACING IN 2003. I think your just trying to start something but just incase your serious best read below.
The speed in which I work on my car is my business.
My family life will always come first and I'm sorry you don't agree with that. Hopfully you will understand some day so you can become a good parent instead of one thats not there for the kids and is always comming up short with cash for the kids needs because you sank it into the car.
I feel sorry for people like yourself that think cars come before family. |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| This sounds pretty personal. Its just a race you guys. And people always have issues with vehicles, so sometimes things don't work out and you can't get it on the track. I mean, look at Ron. His car would be good for some 10-second passes, but when you are creating that much HP and you have bad luck, well things break and thats understandable. I think you guys just need to tune it down a little bit. Not life or death, and I'm pretty sure you guys will be able to duke it out on the street or on the track one of these days. |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer
I WAS RACING IN 2003. I think your just trying to start something but just incase your serious best read below.
The speed in which I work on my car is my business.
My family life will always come first and I'm sorry you don't agree with that. Hopfully you will understand some day so you can become a good parent instead of one thats not there for the kids and is always comming up short with cash for the kids needs because you sank it into the car.
I feel sorry for people like yourself that think cars come before family.
WTF was that all about? You're lecturing a guy who just got married, and didn't put hardly any money at all into his car this year, about family and values? :rolleyes:
Yeah, I was trying to "stir the pot" a little, but I was also just curious. I didn't know you were racing the Talon in 2003, honest. Sorry I missed it. I don't recall seeing it at SCC, what event(s) did you compete in? JB's?
I don't care about your family life and nor did I ever imply that family doesn't come first. (where the hell did that rant and/or accusation even come from??) But if ya want to talk seriously, why don't you get your story straight? Oh wait... so now you've been spending some time and money on the Neon... what happened to spending time with your kids and saving for their college funds?
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| v8slayer |
Well becuse you just mumbled about shit with no time line I guess I will have to waste my time setting you straight.
My AEM and Break issues were before the 2003 race sesson.
I got them fixed and showed first race of the year!
HMMMM.
The head issue later that summer was ABSOLUTLY no fault of my own and I got screwed by over 4500.00 by it being all said and done. That was like building a second motor $$$ wise!
To compound the problem I also suffered by a Cometic Standard gasket being shipped in a HP wrapper causing more problems.
The SRT-4 was bought as a work car because I spend 50% of my job in my car travelling so I wanted a fun car that was mid priced , infact it was cheaper than my Sebring from before.
In the last 2 years my wife was off work 1 year do to a birth and I still managed to put down 12000.00 dollars to reserve private schooling for my oldest and put enough money into RESP's to fully pay for both kids university education in full. The little bit I spent on the SRT mods was actually minut compared to those!
Like I said you were stirring it up so I replied how I percived your post. TO BAD SO SAD!
People like you who purposly take a Known situation and infame it are scum!
Say what you want but your post started this. |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer
People like you who purposly take a Known situation and infame it
It was not a "known" situation to me, which is why I prompted for more info. As I said before, "just curious".
But my point goes back to... why poster like this?:
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer
Don't worry next year my friend!
If you think there's a chance family or work or health or something else is going to get in the way of demonstrating your SRT-4 next season, then simple retract this statement (and statements like it), sit on your hands, resist the urge to type, speak, brag, etc. and otherwise shut the hell up and just show up next year and surprise people with... results. (what a concept) You're continued spouting-offs about how great you are are becoming tiresome.
And if its not enough that you not step up to the plate yourself, you have to continue to put down everyone else on this board that actually does participate and does try. Nice. Good day, sir. |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
[If you think there's a chance family or work or health or something else is going to get in the way of demonstrating your SRT-4 next season, then simple retract this statement (and statements like it), sit on your hands, resist the urge to type, speak, brag, etc. and otherwise shut the hell up and just show up next year and surprise people with... results. (what a concept) You're continued spouting-offs about how great you are are becoming tiresome.
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See this is what i'm talling about your making uneducated comments.
The my "friend comment" was directed to a person that is actually a friend! The comment was humour meaning my car is fixed(Talon) and I can't wait to race next year.
See Darryl knows I won't even have my SRT next year did you?
Did you even know Darryl and I are friends?
Did you consider anything or are you just being the cunt we're used to seeing on here.
My god man do you even think before you type! |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by v8slayer
or are you just being the cunt we're used to seeing on here.
Pot calls the kettle black... :dunno: Wow.
Oh well, guess that's what I get for stirring a hornets nest without wearing a net. :p |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by Inzane
Pot calls the kettle black... :dunno: Wow.
Oh well, guess that's what I get for stirring a hornets nest without wearing a net. :p
:lol: DONE ARE YA |
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| Insomniac |
| did you sell the mods off the Neon? |
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| v8slayer |
Some of them due to a deal I couldn't resist.
Bigger badder plans if my new car this spring flops on me.
Sorry thats all I can say for now. |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by v8slayer
:lol: DONE ARE YA
You win. |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by Inzane
You win.
you to. |
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