| HCR32 |
Well I had just recieved a stunting ticket the first day I got my 180SX. Anyways I have some questions about the ticket that I would like answered. What had happend was that I was taking a turn on this icy corner and I slid out about 190-200 degrees. So instead of going forward, back, forward, back, I just hit the gas a little and made my car go the remaining distance. I did stop the car after I had spun the 200 degrees so it wasen't like I did the full 360 at a time. The cops didn't see me do it someone in the neiborhood saw me and called it in. Saying that if her 2 year old daughter was on the street I would of killed her and shit. Anyways back to the questions.
First Question: How much is an average stunting ticket. Mine was $402 which seems a little high.
Second Question: How would I go about in fighting this ticket?
Third Question: How many demerit are for this ticket if any and would I be able to get them off so my insurance isn't bad?
If you could please answer these questions for me please I would appreciate it. Thanks
Josh Chan |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| When I got my first stunting ticket it was 205 bucks. I just took it to Pointts and they handled everything for me, for a cost. And its a 3-demerit ticket so it might be worth your time to fight or it might not. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by HCR32
First Question: How much is an average stunting ticket. Mine was $402 which seems a little high.
There is no "average" for stunting tickets.
It's a set amount.
It may seem high because last year (Or was it the year before) it practically doubled in price.
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Second Question: How would I go about in fighting this ticket?
One option you haven't considered is that you were not driving appropriately for the conditions (which is obvious if you slid 200 degrees). You should use this ticket as a lesson to yourself and take responsibility for it and pay more attention to the roads.
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Third Question: How many demerit are for this ticket if any and would I be able to get them off so my insurance isn't bad?
I think the previous poster was right at 3 (But I'm not 100% certain). It will most likely cause a rise in your insurance if they pull your abstract, which they don't always do when renewing. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by HCR32
Saying that if her 2 year old daughter was on the street I would of killed her and shit. Anyways back to the questions.
I hope you realize that because of the total lack of control you had when sliding around you could have very well injured someone who was in the street.... |
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| twinturbo |
| I thought you didn't get demerits from a ticket when no actual police officer saw the event. Just like photo radar, they can't prove who was driving at the time. |
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| ColinSiR |
man! go fight it by your self, you dont need points for this one. the cop wasnt their to witness you. fight it!! i fought mine and won
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Originally posted by HCR32
Well I had just recieved a stunting ticket the first day I got my 180SX. Anyways I have some questions about the ticket that I would like answered. What had happend was that I was taking a turn on this icy corner and I slid out about 190-200 degrees. So instead of going forward, back, forward, back, I just hit the gas a little and made my car go the remaining distance. I did stop the car after I had spun the 200 degrees so it wasen't like I did the full 360 at a time. The cops didn't see me do it someone in the neiborhood saw me and called it in. Saying that if her 2 year old daughter was on the street I would of killed her and shit. Anyways back to the questions.
First Question: How much is an average stunting ticket. Mine was $402 which seems a little high.
Second Question: How would I go about in fighting this ticket?
Third Question: How many demerit are for this ticket if any and would I be able to get them off so my insurance isn't bad?
If you could please answer these questions for me please I would appreciate it. Thanks
Josh Chan
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| mr_sars |
:p Seems like everyone with their new 180sx's on the road is running into loads of bad luck.
As for the ticket, it's up to you to decide whether to fight it or not. TrevorK basically summed it up, it's something you should take responsibility for and a good life lesson. If you do decide to fight it, find an experienced traffic lawyer like Pointts to do it for you if you want to get a good chance of getting off with less than what you have already. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by mr_sars
:p Seems like everyone with their new 180sx's on the road is running into loads of bad luck.
As for the ticket, it's up to you to decide whether to fight it or not. TrevorK basically summed it up, it's something you should take responsibility for and a good life lesson. If you do decide to fight it, find an experienced traffic lawyer like Pointts to do it for you if you want to get a good chance of getting off with less than what you have already.
One thing I just realized - a 3 demerit conviction may not raise your insurance much with the new reforms - in comparison to paying $600 to fight the ticket (Isn't it $400 for a lawyer, plus you'll end up pleading to a lesser charge which you'll pay for)... |
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| 3gec |
| This has happened to me before. But I didn't get any tickets for it. I didn't think I was going to fast for the conditions. I think it was my tires were bad for the conditions. Since I have just out new winter studed tires on the front but left the all seasons on the back so the front stuck and the back slide. Anyways because of this I think you should try and fight it. You probably already learned your lesson since your probably nervous as hell right now because of the insurance and the price of the ticket. I don't think you would need a lawyer for this because the police did not see you and chances are the woman who called in probably did not see your licence plate. So she only seen a car similar to yours. So ya good luck man :fingersx: |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
I personally think thats crap.. I do e-brake turns quite often in cramped spaces, mind you I'm not going fast either and it's totally controled.
One time I was driving a 96 cavalier and I tried to stop for a stop sign, the ABS kicked in and i wasn't getting any real braking pressure to the wheels, I wasn't even slowing down and it was a blind intersection, so blowin the stop wasn't and option so I grabed the e-brake, spun the car 360 and came to a safe and some what controls stop at the stop sign.
So manuvers and such like that aren't always stunting, I call it creative driving. Shoot my wife came around a corner once and there was a school bus blocking the whole road, same car as above so she wasn't stopping, she grabbed the e-brake, put the car into a buncha funky spins and ended up backing into a drive way right infront of the bus with out hitting anything.
now if your being a tard and doing flying un controlled slides and such, then ya get a ticket...
But i would fight it.... |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by ColinSiR
man! go fight it by your self, you dont need points for this one. the cop wasnt their to witness you. fight it!! i fought mine and won
Yup, take it to court. If the officer shows up and there's no other witness the ticket should be dismissed because they can't prove that you did anything, its hearsay.
...then again if you admitted doing the spin when you talked to the cop you're screwed and you should go in and ask for a reduction because it was a new car, poor conditions, etc.
....but, since I'd guess that this probably wasn't just a little oopsie, you might want to just call it a lesson learned and pay the ticket.
Did I forget anything? :p |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
So manuvers and such like that aren't always stunting, I call it creative driving.
You can call it whatever you want, but in the end you were obviously not driving for the conditions at the time and could not maintain control of your vehicle or you would not have had to spin it around in an uncontrollable fashion to stop. |
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| inglewood |
i'm no lawyer, i'm just some stinkin' engineer with oil-stained hands. i've never gotten a ticket before so i'm not advising you on what do, how to fight etc. but i'm curious, look on your ticket, if you were charged 115(2)(f), it's $402 and 3 demerits, if you were charged 115(2)(e), that's also $402 and 0 demerits...however, I doubt it's the latter of the two. The last alternative that I see you could be charged as, is under section 160(1) which states: Owner of a vehicle involved in contravention of section--- and the dashes represent any charge you want, i.e. 115(2)(f)...so if he wrote on your ticket 160(1) of 115(2)(f), then even though the ticket is $402, you get no demerits. Confused? Ok, let me clarify, if you were charged under 160(1), then you were charged as the owner of the vehicle, i.e. very similar to photo radar ticket.
Anyways, because I'm an engineer, I want to analyze the physics of your maneuver. Here's the thing, I'm assuming a Nissan 180SX is a front-wheel drive car, if it's not, please correct me. You spun out because you lost traction on your back-end (duh, that's obvious), but why? Because you were probably braking late into the turn, and thus redistributed the weight of your vehicle to be mostly on the front-tires thereby reducing the traction on the back tires, therefore when you proceeded to engage in the turn, your vehicle departed from what is referred to "as a linear steering response" meaning that for each angle of rotation you introduce into your steering wheel, your vehicle responds by producing equal amounts of steering response. You departed from this, and rally drivers are famous for this. Does this make sense? Great. My next post will analyze the fluid dynamics of the buildup of liquid between your tires and the ice. Stay tuned. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by inglewood
Here's the thing, I'm assuming a Nissan 180SX is a front-wheel drive car, if it's not, please correct me.
You might as well hold tight - 180SX's from Japan are RWD.
I keep thinking we had some form of 180sx (or was it 200sx?) here in the mid 80's.... |
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| mr_sars |
Just to clear things up...this isn't really on topic, but it's just easier on our minds.
The 180sx is exactly the same as the 240sx over here. The S12/200sx was the predecessor to it.
Edit: inglewood > :p I see this situation in a completely different way, but you're way of analyzing this is more technical. Heres what happened...its like 1 + 1 = 2
1 Eager driver with his newly imported 180sx + Wet and icy roads of Edmonton = Accidents + Good lessons learned |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
You can call it whatever you want, but in the end you were obviously not driving for the conditions at the time and could not maintain control of your vehicle or you would not have had to spin it around in an uncontrollable fashion to stop.
I see where your coming from but road conditions change quickly and aren't always noticable til it's to late, perfect example, i was driving on the highway, road was fine, nice dry, lotsa traction, going around a curve buddy coming head crosses the center line so I hug the white line, low and behold, black ice, i start heading towards dippy who crossed the yellow, I do everything in my power including grabbing e-brake to avoid him doing figure skating like moves and finally safely planting my car in the ditch with out hitting him or and poles or signs.
had i just applied the brakes i woulda slid right into him. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
I see where your coming from but road conditions change quickly
If you're driving on a highway where you suspect there would be black ice, wouldn't you drive a bit more cautiously (Which may involve going slower)? Of course.
I agree that you don't really know the road conditions until you actually get onto the road, but you should be able to judge how bad it could be, and drive accordingly.
Sorry if it sounds harsh - but I hate having to avoid idiot drivers who think that just because they bought snow tires they can stop on a dime on black ice when cutting you off.... |
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| CJDP |
| Ummm...I'm almost positive their are no demerits...so who cares...But people are retarded and like to call the cops everytime they forget it's garbage day and they think someone stole their trash. It's the same thing, people need to stop being assholes, and sometime yea, you spinout. It happens, I've gotten bullshit tickets also so i know how it feels |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Lol ya i hate that too.
In my case the road was fine, it was just the one curve that was icey and I didn't see any signs of black ice, no sheen or anything.
If I know the conditions are bad i drive for them, I don't go stupid slow, but I drive accordingly, If it's snowing and roads are crap, but I can do 80 and still have enough visibility that i can stop in time for traffic, deer whatever i will...
This winter it's pissed me off, got a buncha ppl doing way to fast and a buncha ppl going way to slow, like I'm doing 80-100 instead of my normal 100-120 and they're doing 40-50... GRRR
But the issue at hand is he supposidly got the ticket for "stunting" to recover. Like I said quite often if the road is too narrow or my window to turn around is short(ie cars coming) I'll use the assistance of the e-brake to turn around quickly, if the road is slick enough so I'm not sitting there playing around doing a 3 or 5 point turn. There is a fine line between stunting and creative driving.
This is stunting:
http://www.epcgaming.net/members/sp...cartrouble2.wmv |
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| CJDP |
| didn't drivers education teach u that the 3 point turn is the quickest and most reliable turn to do?:mad: |
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| midnite |
there should be no demerits as you wern't pulled over and there is no proof that you were driving, only that your car was involved.
it's like photo radar, you can't get demerits, only a registered owner ticket with no demerits.
if you did confirm to the cop that it was you, then he could give you demerits.
i'm sure you could easily win, you could say that she is making it up unless she has proof and was filming it or something. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by CJDP
didn't drivers education teach u that the 3 point turn is the quickest and most reliable turn to do?:mad:
Umm no, never covered 3 point turns in drivers ed. And on dry roads with a rwd.. yeah sure a 3 point is best, but a fwd with a good e-brake... much better and quicker turn, if ya know what your doing. |
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| CJDP |
| umm...i was being sarcastic...and u could just spin with a rwd...and my class learned 3-point turns |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
| I know you can spin a rwd.. i used to do it all the time in my dad's truck.. but it's easier in a fwd with a good e-brake |
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| night_font |
| i got a stunting ticket also...about 8 months ago...and well he gave me a 402 dollar ticket and 3 damerits...so what i did is paid my brothers friend lawyer 400 bucks to fight it and i won, but honestly if i tryed to fight it i would have probablly have won since i had 4 other witnesses on my side and only 1 cop, but didnt take the chance so i took the laywer way. |
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