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| DowntownFocus |
| I am going to supercharge my car in june 100%. Which is the best for a street only car and why. I need reliablitly with a power increase. If I use Jackson Racing or Vortech the kits are 100% bolt on Pro charger may involve a little more work |
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| DC5PWR |
I voted pro-charger even though I have a JR.
Higher gains, and you can have a blow off valve instead of a bypass:bthumbup: |
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| Bucktown |
| which ever one you get just make sure you let an unlicenced mechanic install it for you....good luck |
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| LeadSled |
I think the JR kit is a roots, not a twin screw, right?
If thats the case, I'd go for either of the centrifugals first. I have heard ATI's customer assistance can be crappy, so I voted for Vortec.
What are the specs on each of the kits? Are they all intercooled?
I am joining the forced induction club too, next month :fingersx: I've got $6k saved up for a Novi 1200 with water/air aftercooler and everything included. Can't wait to get it and take it to the track when it opens.... |
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| RSN CRX |
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Originally posted by Bucktown
which ever one you get just make sure you let an unlicenced mechanic install it for you....good luck
Unlicenced:dunno: |
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| Adam |
quote:
Originally posted by Bucktown
which ever one you get just make sure you let an unlicenced mechanic install it for you....good luck
ha ha :lol: :lol: |
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| Bucktown |
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Originally posted by RSN CRX
Unlicenced:dunno:
ya unlicenced. sarcasm is lost over the web...as are reputations |
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| Insomniac |
I'd go JR for shizzle. 4 bangers and centrifugal superchargers don't go together IMO.
Which is actually faster in the 1/4? |
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| DowntownFocus |
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Originally posted by Insomniac
Which is actually faster in the 1/4? [/B]
They all arent real very good for strip inprovments. The boost levels are low and they add weight to the car. There mainly degsined for street upgrade not race. |
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| twinturbo |
| The JR, twin screw type supercharger is supposed to give better improvements lower in the RPM range. The centrifigul chargers can reach higher safe boost levels, and can have air or water cooled intercoolers, and BOV's. so it depends what kind of street driving your wanting to do? The drag racing type street driving, or the autocross type? |
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| Mekanik22 |
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Originally posted by Bucktown
which ever one you get just make sure you let an unlicenced mechanic install it for you....good luck
I don't think he'll have to. He does this stuff himself.... |
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| Markgase2000 |
OMG svt focus with a supercharger. Thats going to be a mean killer at the track lol I hear Jackson and Vortec have bolt on upper manifold type superchargers they add like 80hp? I also heard that Ford Racing makes them too. They also have an array of intake and exhaust manifolds to compliment the supercharger. Your focus has like 170hp? I look forward to seeing your results at the track if you do so. :) I bet youll kick arse at autocross too.
I chose pro charger , they do require fab but I hear they are the most versitile. |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
OMG svt focus with a supercharger. Thats going to be a mean killer at the track lol I hear Jackson and Vortec have bolt on upper manifold type superchargers they add like 80hp? I also heard that Ford Racing makes them too. They also have an array of intake and exhaust manifolds to compliment the supercharger. Your focus has like 170hp? I look forward to seeing your results at the track if you do so. :) I bet youll kick arse at autocross too.
I chose pro charger , they do require fab but I hear they are the most versitile.
you should read more ... vortec and procharger are centrifugal. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by DowntownFocus
I am going to supercharge my car in june 100%. Which is the best for a street only car and why. I need reliablitly with a power increase. If I use Jackson Racing or Vortech the kits are 100% bolt on Pro charger may involve a little more work
If you're on the svtoa site PM dj (atomic), his focus was sc'd and he's got a lot of experience with it..... think he posts on here occasionally too. :) |
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| DowntownFocus |
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Originally posted by snugs
If you're on the svtoa site PM dj (atomic), his focus was sc'd and he's got a lot of experience with it..... think he posts on here occasionally too. :)
No interest with the SVTOA, the fourms are boring are rarley change. DJ's car is very nice, I hope to out do that car and some.
Looking like the Jackson is going to be best. Not to often do I realy travel at the cars top speed or even speed much anymore, I just enjoy the drive but want a little more. Anybody have a Jackson that they have added anyupgrades to such as water injection? Or even a higher boost pulley? |
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| LeadSled |
JR Eaton: 6psi ? made +50 hp and +25 tq (and very flat torque curve) for $2800 US
Vortec V5: 9-10 psi made +70hp and +50 tq OR +106 hp and +60 tq with the optional aftercooler. Costs $3500 US or $4700 US w/ aftercooler.
Eaton blowers don't like to be pushed past their effieciency range, so I'm not sure how much smaller pully you could run on that particular model especially because its not intercooled.
Although an Eaton will generally make more bottom end than a centrifugal, this one is running less boost so the advantage is somewhat lost. I vote for the Vortec with aftercooler... an extra $2000 US over the JR but it has more than double the gains ;) Its easy spending someone else's money lol. |
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| twinturbo |
Your problem with a roots type blower, like a JacksonRacing, is that it puts alot of strain on your stock bottom end at lower RPM's. It is pumping air into your engine as soon as you leave idle RPM, and this torquey kind of strain at low RPM is alot harder on your bottom end than higher boost at high RPM. So be careful how much air you pack into your engine at low RPM's because obviously this is your daily driver and you want it to last you a while, so don't over do it.
Water injection will allow you to achive higher amounts of boost pressure with less risk of detonation. It does cool the air charge some but also dillutes you air/fuel mixture as well. so if you are at lower amounts of boost, it may not be needed, or even helpful. I have seen some roots type super chargers that can have a water/air intercooler mounted below the blower its self but before the intake runners. This would be your best bet in my opinion. Or maybe a small amount of NOS only at high RPM's. At high RPM's with a consitent boost level, this can work very well and be very safe. I would just make sure to get a good kit with a piggyback ECU and not just a couple of switches, and vacuum sensors(like the Venom kit).
Also, make sure you tune your ECU properly to go with whatever upgrades you do, this will greatly improve your power, along with your deppendability, and less risk of knock or over/under fueling. |
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| atomic |
| buy the vortech to obtain higher boost levels (and higher torque) and use their water air cooler for safer iat temps . the stock head is quite restrictive and while doing the install it won't hurt to have headwork done to increase the flow . very important if you're going to "out do" my motor as a daily driver ;) . pm me or email if u have any q's! i'm glad to help out and let u know the hastles i ran into . might save u some $ and :mad: . good luck! :bthumbup: . it'll be fun to meet another competitive svtf around our area. in the next few weeks i'm help finishing another turbo'd svtf . it'll be a blast to get us together |
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| twinturbo |
WOW, 3 months later.................
He's probably allready done! |
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| silvermist |
| The pro charger is sposed to add up to 95% horsepower gain plus it acts like a turbo. on the zx3 the sc is located on the passanger side infront of the tire (kind of like the aem CAI only on the other side). The unit has its own oiling system and is sposed to get changed when you change the cars oil. The only thing i don't really like about the pro charger is that with it being so low to the ground I'd be woried about hydro locking the engine, by sucking water up through the air filter. If you want more info talk to blaine he was telling me about them for the focus when I was there a couple months ago. |
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| tokes |
A procharger doesn't act anything like a turbo. It makes more boost proportional to RPM's. RPM's go up, boost goes up. Turbos make full boost in the mid range, and will make more power and torque than centrifugals with a better powerband.
Turbo > Centrifugal |
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| silvermist |
| I ment in the way a turbo is set up how it uses pipes to run to the intake instead of replacing the intake plus it takes up less room. |
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