| Turbo or N/A - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| SketchifisT |
Ive been thinkin , and tryin to decide what my next step is. Ive reached a point with my car where all upgrades with N/A are going to be fairly pricey. Like cams and cam gears and so forth , stuff along those lines.
So the thought was passed on by Matt (integraRS or wutevs his name is on here ) to boost my b18c1. The problem i have with this is right now my car runs a solid low 14 and with some little things i break into the 13's. It is my daily driver and i dont want to spend like 8 grand to redo the hole engine, im lookin to slap like 6 to like 10 psi tops. However ifeel if i add boost to my car , i loose part of my sleeper image so i just want some thoughts on that.
So my engine is a b18c1 in a 92 civic hb ( it looks pretty much stock , matt and chad can tell you more ) I like the speed ihave right now and im not lookin to break records here , i just want a bit more so im quicker then most , not average with most. I wanna be next to a vette and hold with him or a bmw m3 ;) The rest of the car is upgraded so it can handle what ever happens next , i just want some thoughts on it. |
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| Nightstalker |
B18c1s are great on boost man, and you don't need to loose any of the sleeper image by going turbo.. In some ways it can actually make your car seem like more of one (quiter exhaust). Just make sure that you recirculate the BOV into the intake and the Wastgate back into your exhaust and the fact you have a turbo will be almost impossiable to detect. If you wana run a FMIC just spray a thin layer of black paint over it. Its all in how you do it.
I specifically chose the C1 for my turbo buildup. As long as you keep the boost under 10psi stock internals should last for a long time. |
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| SketchifisT |
| alright yeah, thanks im lookin into all this stuff going to do it properly :D |
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| bigmack000 |
| BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOST! |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by SketchifisT
Ive been thinkin , and tryin to decide what my next step is. Ive reached a point with my car where all upgrades with N/A are going to be fairly pricey. Like cams and cam gears and so forth , stuff along those lines.
So the thought was passed on by Matt (integraRS or wutevs his name is on here ) to boost my b18c1. The problem i have with this is right now my car runs a solid low 14 and with some little things i break into the 13's. It is my daily driver and i dont want to spend like 8 grand to redo the hole engine, im lookin to slap like 6 to like 10 psi tops. However ifeel if i add boost to my car , i loose part of my sleeper image so i just want some thoughts on that.
So my engine is a b18c1 in a 92 civic hb ( it looks pretty much stock , matt and chad can tell you more ) I like the speed ihave right now and im not lookin to break records here , i just want a bit more so im quicker then most , not average with most. I wanna be next to a vette and hold with him or a bmw m3 ;) The rest of the car is upgraded so it can handle what ever happens next , i just want some thoughts on it.
You have a couple options.
You could spray it with a 75 shot of nitrous. Throttle in a bottle, only used on the rare occasion where you find yourself in over your head against a competitor.
User fee based system with relatively low entry level cost.
Boost:
Supercharger, whine will give it away but you have the power on tap at any given time with no cost after initial investment.
Turbo, as mentioned earlier, with a recirculated BOV and internal wastegate or an external plumbed back into the exhaust can be stealth. Power on demand with no extra maintenance costs after initial investment.
You said you want to do it right, what is your definition of doing it right? |
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| beatshack |
| i'd say go for it.. you'll still have the sleeper image, just get a low-profile recirc bov (like pro drag said), not the loud open atmosphere ones.. i'm guessing you'll be intercooling too? thats harder to hide than a turbo.. but heck, a turbo b18 would fly.. i think you'd be low 13's easy if you tuned it right at 15 psi. |
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| Nightstalker |
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Originally posted by beatshack
i'd say go for it.. you'll still have the sleeper image, just get a low-profile recirc bov (like pro drag said), not the loud open atmosphere ones.. i'm guessing you'll be intercooling too? thats harder to hide than a turbo.. but heck, a turbo b18 would fly.. i think you'd be low 13's easy if you tuned it right at 15 psi.
Um.. A b18c1 with stock internals at 15PSI should make around 350-400 WHP.. You better be in the low 13s. |
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| n0c7 |
| If you go the turbo route and have stock bumpers, I don't see why you wouldnt be able to hide a FMIC. Just trim the insides and find one that will fit best and people will just think its your rad unless they are on their knees looking closeup and even then, they'll ask "Is that an intercooler?" And get black hoses instead of blue, they give it away too. |
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| oldraven |
| Or plumb it through the fender. I don't advise painting an intercooler. When you see stock painted ic's, it's not just any paint. It's highly conductive paint that goes on extremely thin. If you rattle can your ic, you'll end up loosing most of its' cooling efficiency. |
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| REFLUX |
I think it depends on the type of power delivery you prefer.
There's also the issue of turbo lag, it may not be a lot with such low boost levels (and possibly a relatively small turbo) but it won't be the same as NA power (IMO).
Of course I guess we are talking about a Honda...not some torque monster that has it all over the powerband. |
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| silverTEG |
id say NA myself, but a good NA setup will cost alot more than a boost set-up.
if you want a nitous set-up i'll sell you mine. ;) |
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| bigmack000 |
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Originally posted by oldraven
Or plumb it through the fender. I don't advise painting an intercooler. When you see stock painted ic's, it's not just any paint. It's highly conductive paint that goes on extremely thin. If you rattle can your ic, you'll end up loosing most of its' cooling efficiency.
rad paint my friend rad paint ;) |
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| SilviaDrifter |
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Originally posted by bigmack000
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOST!
cudnt have said it any better |
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| SketchifisT |
if i push 6-10psi ill be a low 13 easy or high 12.
To answer Blaines question, doin it right means a proper job , ill spend the extra to get what i want properly done. theres so many civics with a hax job turbo, yes it may do the job but its not a proper install. For a supercharger it is a bit more to start and ive heard up and down things but yes that is an option thx for bringing that up.
Im just in research mode and putting together prices and so forth tryin to get the funds lined up so i can do it when iwant too.
NOS is a good choice as well but i dont drag enough to really make it worth while, I just want the bit of extra power with boost , i dont want to have to NOS every single time i go against someone. |
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| Shady_Pro |
| well you don't have to run 75 shot of nitrious everytime you use it...god forbid your using it on the street...but you can tone it down to a 50 or 35 on the street and when you go out to the track and you wanna put up some numbers run the 75...but don't run off of a button...use w.o.t and in 3rd gear when you put it to the floor you'll have the same pull you have in first and 2nd...that way your not force your engine at 3000 and more at 5500 thus the wide open throttle....i donno just a thought:dunno: |
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| redbaron303 |
| If you go boost, you won't want to go back to NA.... |
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| beatshack |
^ i agree.. now that i've tasted the magic i can't go back :D
theres always that slight adreline tinge when u're even with another car off the line, and hear your turbo start to spool :bthumbup: |
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| se-i |
| I agree with everybody else on the boost thing. After I turbod my car it seems nothing else is the same. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by oldraven
Or plumb it through the fender. I don't advise painting an intercooler. When you see stock painted ic's, it's not just any paint. It's highly conductive paint that goes on extremely thin. If you rattle can your ic, you'll end up loosing most of its' cooling efficiency.
Bingo! |
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| twinturbo |
I think you should go with a very efficient turbo setup. a small turbo to make up for the cars lack of torque, but something that wont poop out at 5,000RPM. I wouldn't go with 10psi of boost though, that seems a little high for your daily driver, i'm guessing you still want years of reliable driving out of it.
Also a consideration is if you are driving it in the winter. that would kind of scare me away from anything to hardcore! our canadien low temps = very thick oil. mix that with 8,000RPM and a really hot turbo (due to high boost) and your just asking for trouble.
As far as the intercooler goes, you could always try something side mount, or a smaller, CRX style aluminum Rad with a small side mount intercooler mounted right beside it front and center. This would also give you the option of installing a second electric fan on the intercooler.
For daily driven performance, a supercharger would be pretty sweet, especially if you don't drag much. You would probably love the torque! |
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| bigmack000 |
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Originally posted by se-i
I agree with everybody else on the boost thing. After I turbod my car it seems nothing else is the same.
liek i said USE RAD PAINT! if a radiator is black, and the IC is the same thign a rad is . jsut cools a diffrent fluid. |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by redbaron303
If you go boost, you won't want to go back to NA....
that obviously isn't the norm
it just depends on the type of car you experience NA power in
Driving an RSX-S & a GTi VR6 are very different feelings.
IMO, the RSX FELT slow and the VR6 FELT fast, much more fun in the Golf (straight line). |
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| redbaron303 |
Of course that's True too Terry.
I still feel that if you're comparing two cars like the 300ZX NA and TT that the boosted one is just a better feeling car.... I don't know why it is that way for me but I can't get enough boost!!! |
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| beatshack |
yeah... i think its cuz you can feel the difference the turbo makes, as it doesnt take effect until usually atleast 2500 rpm depending on the size. and the difference is like night and day.
i bet a T3/To4E would be a slick setup for that car. |
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| Nightstalker |
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Originally posted by beatshack
yeah... i think its cuz you can feel the difference the turbo makes, as it doesnt take effect until usually atleast 2500 rpm depending on the size. and the difference is like night and day.
i bet a T3/To4E would be a slick setup for that car.
Or you could just get that feeling with NA by buying a Honda with Vtec.. I know its not the same.. Realistically you shouldn't feel vtec you should just hear the change over but whatever. Its pretty sweet to hear it change over and start to catch the guy that was beating you.. |
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| Adam |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
Or you could just get that feeling with NA by buying a Honda with Vtec.. I know its not the same.. Realistically you shouldn't feel vtec you should just hear the change over but whatever. Its pretty sweet to hear it change over and start to catch the guy that was beating you..
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| Praylewd powr |
| I gots VTECH yo! |
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| Nightstalker |
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Originally posted by Adam
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Roll your eyes all you want.. I don't expect you to understand, you drive a neon. :p |
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| Praylewd powr |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
Roll your eyes all you want.. I don't expect you to understand, you drive a neon. :p
Ouch...but it is a damn quick neon..... |
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| Adam |
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Originally posted by Praylewd powr
Ouch...but it is a damn quick neon.....
yes...yes it is.
And knock the neon all you want...I'll be the one with the number.:cool: |
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| Anonymoose |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
Or you could just get that feeling with NA by buying a Honda with Vtec.. I know its not the same.. Realistically you shouldn't feel vtec you should just hear the change over but whatever. Its pretty sweet to hear it change over and start to catch the guy that was beating you..
You need one of these:
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
Or you could just get that feeling with NA by buying a Honda with Vtec.. I know its not the same.. Realistically you shouldn't feel vtec you should just hear the change over but whatever. Its pretty sweet to hear it change over and start to catch the guy that was beating you..
:lol: :lol: :rolleyes: |
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| RWD |
| jacksonracing supercharger...:bthumbup: with possible apexi ws catback exhaust? heard it was one of the quietest aftermartker exhaust . |
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| Nightstalker |
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Originally posted by Anonymoose
You need one of these:
Thats pretty sweet.. But I have a Light for vtec in my cluster all ready. and a boost guage on the pillar. Nice find though ;) |
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| gee_tee_eye |
woohoo!!! boost all the way!!! what is better than using your own engines exhaust to create more power?? NOTHING!!! im all for turbos... not too hot in superchargers... i feel although they give constant boost... they run off a belt... so they rob power from the engine... but still... BOOST!!! woohoo!!!
:bowdown: :bowdown:
:bowdown: :bowdown: TURBO
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