| Kiddo |
| Without the microchip can the car still start? |
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| DC5PWR |
| without the Immobolizer the car wont start.. I had to take mine out to mail it to Hondata.. and when i didnt connect it properly when re-installing it, the engine wouldnt start. |
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| Kiddo |
| so there is no possible way for a car to start without it? even for a pro thief that knows what their doing? then when you get a car starter installed (after market one not the stock one) something like a 2way compustar, they require you to put the key with the chip in it into the engine near the unit so that it can start the car (I really don't know much about this but thats what my uncle had to do) now if a thief trys to steal the car it will start right? |
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| DC5PWR |
| no.. and why do you want to know this? |
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| mwdguy |
quote:
Originally posted by Kiddo
so there is no possible way for a car to start without it? even for a pro thief that knows what their doing? then when you get a car starter installed (after market one not the stock one) something like a 2way compustar, they require you to put the key with the chip in it into the engine near the unit so that it can start the car (I really don't know much about this but thats what my uncle had to do) now if a thief trys to steal the car it will start right?
yes it can be started ... all they have to do is grab the key. |
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| TrevorK |
I, and any "pro" thief, can steal ANY car within 30 seconds.
Let's face it, the chip is nice, but if you have to pay a big price for it, it's just not worth it. |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
The theroy behind the car starters with the signal generators is there is a little antenna and module that comes with the starter specific to the make of hte automobile.
The module/starter only sends the signal to the vehicle when the carstarter is activated.
If you get into a vehicle that is running via carstarter, press the brake without the key in the ignition, it will shut off.
It is abit more difficult to steal "chipped" vehicles, but I am no expert on the subject so I would assume that any competent theif can get what he/she wants if they are determined enough.
The point is to not make it easy. |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG
The theroy behind the car starters with the signal generators is there is a little antenna and module that comes with the starter specific to the make of hte automobile.
The module/starter only sends the signal to the vehicle when the carstarter is activated.
If you get into a vehicle that is running via carstarter, press the brake without the key in the ignition, it will shut off.
It is abit more difficult to steal "chipped" vehicles, but I am no expert on the subject so I would assume that any competent theif can get what he/she wants if they are determined enough.
The point is to not make it easy.
any car thief these days knows that if they want a schipped vehicle with a starter its easy to steal .. find the DEI (or whatever brand they have chosen) box thathouses they key, pop it out and go. DONE ... beside if they really want your cr they will simply tow it |
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| bentotdagr3at |
| but if thief wants to steal your car no matter what he has to do he'll do it. |
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| scooby_dooby |
a hidden fuel cut-off is the best, it's a mechanical switch, meaning it doesn't rely on easily manipulated electronic signals. Basically they have to find your switch, or run an alternative power wire to the fuel pump, which would take forever.
As long as the switch is hidden really good they're gonna have a hard time. |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
| It's probably safe to say that no ONE deterrent with twart a determined thief, but added security in layers will discourage the "opportunistic theives" |
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| ManHunter |
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Originally posted by mwdguy
any car thief these days knows that if they want a schipped vehicle with a starter its easy to steal .. find the DEI (or whatever brand they have chosen) box thathouses they key, pop it out and go. DONE ... beside if they really want your cr they will simply tow it
Hmmm... No, they key in my DEI box is grinded so it has no teeth anymore. And the box is inside the car.
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| 3gec |
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Originally posted by ManHunter
Hmmm... No, they key in my DEI box is grinded so it has no teeth anymore. And the box is inside the car.
MH
yes but with the key in there already completing the circuit all you would need is to punch the ignition with a screwdriver
I don't know if that works out so well but that is how I see it happening |
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| Kiddo |
| I want to know because as soon as I get a new car I don't want it to get jacked because I live in a pretty ghetto neighbourhood and I'm most likely going to be driving it out when I go to work and hang out with friends I just don't want to come out to an empty parking spot where my car USED to be, last thing I want is all my savings going out the door because of a thief :P so I'm deciding on whether or not to install a 2way as soon as I get it |
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| 3gec |
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Originally posted by Kiddo
I want to know because as soon as I get a new car I don't want it to get jacked because I live in a pretty ghetto neighbourhood and I'm most likely going to be driving it out when I go to work and hang out with friends I just don't want to come out to an empty parking spot where my car USED to be, last thing I want is all my savings going out the door because of a thief :P so I'm deciding on whether or not to install a 2way as soon as I get it
Personally I would go with the 2way. I feel so much more secure when I leave my car somewhere now even if it don't have range.
If you are afraid about it being stolen don't have the remote starter hooked up. I will be pulling my key out of the bypass soon as summer hits and it's no longer needed. Other than that I would suggest haveing your Insurance up to par so that if it does get stolen you are out the least amount possible. |
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| scooby_dooby |
basic fire and theft will cover you, it's like $70/year, since your car is new you wouldn't really be out any money, not to mention it's a non-fault claim so your rates wouldn't even go up.
A worse scenario is if your car gets vandalised, or the stuff inside it gets stolen, you'd still be covered but I think your rates would go up.
Either way, you don't have to worry about losing any money, just time and any emotional ties, lol |
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| Kiddo |
| well its just gonna be a summer car so remote starter most likely wont be hooked up but can they still steal it? haha well I already have some plans for the interior and exterior. I'm most likely going to leave the motor stock until I can afford a turbo kit with all the goodies CAI, exhaust, suspension all that good stuff will probably wait until the warranty is about to expire. Just don't want the audio equipment to get jacked or the whole car for the body kit and other stuff sick of thiefs been stolen from twice now.... one more time and I think i'll lose my head |
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| DC5PWR |
Ok to access this "key" wouldnt you have to pop the hood?
Most 2way alarms come with a hood pin.. that and they would have to pry the hood open, which would also set off the vibration sensor.
Your pretty safe with your alarm... Everyone here says they can steal any car or know someone who can, which may be true...
But I would have to say most are talking out of their asses..
Unless your driving a super expensive car with tons of valuables inside.. Theives arnt going to go through the troubles to do it.. seeing how most are just in it for quick cash for drugs in edmonton anyways. Or young teenagers doing it for a cheap thrill and some party money.. (like i used to do when i was like 15)
I've lived in Edmonton my whole life and havnt heard of any elaborate schemes or chop shops in the news... only people who have their vehicle stolen for a "joyride" and dumped in a ditch stripped of all valuables.
what it all boils down to, is anything you do to your car to create more risk or attention will help in keeping your car safe from being broken into. Whether it be with a 2000.00 alarm, a viper sticker on your window, or just something as simple as parking under a streetlamp. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by DC5PWR
Everyone here says they can steal any car or know someone who can, which may be true...
But I would have to say most are talking out of their asses..
You think it's hard?
Trucks nowadays can be easily, and inexpensively made to run with a hidden tow bar. Within 30 seconds, the bar is lowered, while the drivers reverses to pick up the car. Add in another 30 seconds if the drivers wants to put the other pair of wheels on dollies.
So what the car alarm goes off - are you going to bother with a car being towed? Of course not - you'll assume it was parked illegally or something. Car alarm sirens mean NOTHING nowadays.
Before you scream and holler this can't be done, or can't be done in Edmonton, think again. The money that can be made from the stolen parts of _1_ riced out ride can pay for all the equipment needed. |
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| scooby_dooby |
| some guy on the integra board had his GSR towed from his own apartment, they found it at some garage stripped to shit. |
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| midnite |
| the immobilizer system will prevent anyone from stealing the car with a copied key, or by punching the ignition. it won't stop theives who bring their own ecu, then do the above. |
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| scooby_dooby |
For most cars you can just read the VIN number off the dash, then goto the dealer and they'll give you a new key in 5 minutes. Easiest way to steal a car, only $7.
I know they're supposed to ask for your registration, but they didn't ask me when I got mine replaced, and besides, how hard is it to print a pink piece of paper with the correct VIN??
Is it any harder to get a copy of the keys with chips in them? |
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| midnite |
there was a news story about this a week ago, a number of edmonton dealerships gave away new keys without asking for id.
i've had a business card over my VIN since i got my car. |
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| Kiddo |
| damn those dealerships are fricking irresponsible |
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| 3gec |
quote:
Originally posted by scooby_dooby
Is it any harder to get a copy of the keys with chips in them?
Be no sense to get a copy of a key with the chip in them because the key still needs to be programmed to the car. And the key is $80 instead of $7 |
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| ehos |
Chipped keys are not $7.
What dealership did you go to get your key? (What car?) And how could they give you a key based on your VIN#?
It should have nothing to do with your VIN. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by ehos
Chipped keys are not $7.
What dealership did you go to get your key? (What car?) And how could they give you a key based on your VIN#?
It should have nothing to do with your VIN.
If your questioning non-chip based keys (The only ones I typically get copies made for) - the dealer has the key pattern (I don't know what you'd call it) on file for each VIN.
I've got keys cut at the dealer all the time - even a key for a 92 Eclipse at a local Chrysler dealer with just the VIN given.... |
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| scooby_dooby |
| Yup, you give them the VIN number they look up the key pattern and cut you a new key, simple. |
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| energie |
| ^time to put tape over my vin. |
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