| dc2696 |
finally the pig reveals himself... j/k welcome to the forum
now we can finally get the inside story on various busts and raids and street racing stings :D :wavey:
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| REFLUX |
Welcome to the board!!! :D
it's good to know there is some co-operation going on here
but as far as questions go, my mind is blank at the moment ;) |
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| Nightstalker |
Nice to see we have another one of the good cops that is willing to work with people instead of just trapping us all and thorwing us all in jail. I am glad that you guys are still out there :D. Its kinda like my airsoft club, we call the gibbons RCMP befor every game that we have to let them know we are playing. Just incase they get a call from someone that says "Hey there are guys running all over the place with assault rifles" we play at a paintball field anyway but you never know it could still happen.
I actually have a question about undercar neon kits and the traffic by-laws. From my understanding they are legal as long as you cannot actually see the blub from outside the car. Like if you put something around it so that all the light is hitting the ground they are ok, is this true ?. |
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| redbaron303 |
quote:
Originally posted by Nightstalker@Dec 17 2002, 10:38 AM
I actually have a question about undercar neon kits and the traffic by-laws. From my understanding they are legal as long as you cannot actually see the blub from outside the car. Like if you put something around it so that all the light is hitting the ground they are ok, is this true ?.
Welcome....
I have the same question as NIghtstalker, what's the deal with neon lights? The kits, the license plate frames, the windshield washer jet lights... Are there restrictions that I should know about for lighting on the inside and outside of my car?
I have blue led sidemarker lights (not turn signals), and I've been told by my local rcmp that they aren't a problem, it's the turn signals that are, and if I had improper colored turn signals i could be at fault if in an accident, is this true?
Everyone knows that tinted windows are illegal, but when do you and your collegues stop and hand out tickets for them? I mean what kind of tint can I have to avoid a ticket; specifically on the drivers and passengers doors? Are you and your police friends just concerned with windows you can't see through or do you stop people with slightly tinted windows, that you can even see a seatbelt and a face through (minimal tint)???? |
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| redbaron303 |
| Hey, forgot to mention this, why not try a sport compact for your next project car. Then you'll be able to educate better, both the V8 crowd and the SC crowd... Isnt there someway you could pull a Honda civic from impound for "police" purposes.... and they're relatively inexpensive to modify?! |
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| Nightstalker |
Actually just change your signals to a white blub and you will be fine.. From my understanding this be the rules.
Your car is only allowed to have the following
Front Lights
White, and Amber
Taillights
White, Amber, Red
brakelights must be RED, reverse lights White, and Signals I think you can actually use a white blub.. I think. If you can find a xenon blub it might look a little blue. |
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| dc2696 |
| ya what are the laws if any for light's inside the car (neon, stobe's ect.) ;) |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Sorry about not getting back to you Jim, there was a few bugs in the board software we're trying to work out, because I wanted to give you your're own forum, but I guess a topic is just as good :)
I think Tinman will just replace the software again...
Thanks for taking the initiative on my shortsightedness :)
I've a question.
Noise regulations on mufflers, how/why/where to get them measured/certified?. |
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| cflude |
| welcome albertarc! :lol: |
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| ManHunter |
Welcome to the board. You already have many questions to answer. I think the answer to the questions above are very much based on the cop that sees the car on the street, and what level of tolerance he has. While tint on the side windows is illegal, many cops won't bother issuing a violation for a car with light tint. But some will. There's no black or white answer.
I'm looking forward to see your new project car fly down Bud Park's 1/4 mile.
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| TheWask |
I have a question for the officer. Do you find it amusing when your driving your squad and everyone around you becomes the model driver all of a sudden? For example your driving just bellow the speed limit but you have a line of cars behind you. These drivers for some reason think you will pull them over if they pass you, even though they will be going the speed limit still. I have seen this many times and just curious how the officers view this.
And welcome, hopefully good things will come out of this!
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| Pro Drag |
| I usually follow the posted speed limits everywhere, I pass police cars all the time when they are driving slightly under the speed limit. |
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| Nightstalker |
| ya there is no reason to let the man push some kind of power trip on you... just drive the line.. :D then when they pull you over just say prove it.. |
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| TheWask |
quote:
Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Dec 17 2002, 11:11 PM
I usually follow the posted speed limits everywhere, I pass police cars all the time when they are driving slightly under the speed limit.
I do it aswell, just funny to see 20 cars all lined up behind a crusier |
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| Nightstalker |
| I just hate it when they block the whole road because the other lane slows up aswell |
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| SRBURG13 |
Alright. Here is a suggestion. I'm willing to bet that this will stop all street racing, at least the majority of it.
Open a drag strip. And keep it open til like 3am. This closing at the early evening is what is making all the "streetracers" hit the streets. If there was a place to go that was safe, then I'm sure that the majority of us would gladly go there. The funds spent on supporting the center could be taken off the wages of the Cops that need to patrol us :D . But you know what I mean, I'm not a financial expert, but I'm sure you get the jist of it.
Since you are involved with the "streetracing", I think that this suggestion would be a good start to solving whatever problems we may have. Any of us can go to the local cop shop and ask if undercar kits are legal or not, but I'm understanding that you are involved with bustin us up (or working with us) how ever you wanna look at it. So let me know what you think of this suggestion. Hell, what if we all worked something out with Bud Park. They could still make some profit. Charge like $5 or something per car entering. They would make the cash on food sold and all that other good stuff.
What do you all think? Wouldn't this be a major improvement in gettin the dangerous racing off the street? I'm sure there will still be the idiots on the street, but you can't stop them all. I understand that this will be costly, but hey, saving lives is more important. |
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| mitsuman |
I disagree. What is $15-20 for us"? We spend so much on our cars anyways. The thought of having safe drag racing is well worth it if you ask me, as well the fact of having a printed time slip as a bonus. There have been already a couple late night drags at Bud, so if there is a lot more interest, I'm sure that the organizers would be happy to have us.
Personally I prefer to race "stress free" if you know what I mean! Too many times that I have gone to see street racing at the various locations where alcohol was consumed or seeing hillbillies tearing up the bush with their 4x4s. That is bull shit! and a reason why I don't go to even watch to that shit anymore!
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| RezaREX |
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| dmak_el |
i think SRBURG13 has his point......i dont 'know if it will work, but i think it will be good to try.....
one more thing,
i came from vancouver about 4 or 5 months ago, and i went to street racing in vancouver all the time. but i only raced once......
the reasons for me and my friends to go watch street racing, it's becuse the feelings......it's different then go to drag strip....(and i think it's cool to see people got arrest)
there is just one thing that i don't like for drag strip, is that i have to wait in line for so long......:thumbsdown:
i also went to a drag strip once in vancouver, i was there for one whole day, and i only got to go 2 times.......if i am on the street...i can do more than 10 runs in an hour......but i would still like to go to drag strip, if it's cheap
also, mitsuman u say that we spend all those money to mod our cars, and we don't give 15-20 to go to drag strip....do u really know y?
as i say, i stay there for a whole day, and i only got to go for 2 runs......what a waste of time.........i can do 2 runs on the street for free, and it takes me 5 mins..........u guys might think i am an a**hole or something, but that's the truth.
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| prophet_ca |
| my question is about replacement steering wheels... say you replace your factory airbag equipped steering wheel with a aftermarket unit what are the consequences... yeah why don't u guys take a sportcompact and test its limits... the duster (at least its dodge) is an amazing car, but get a police sportcompact, that would be cool... |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by dmak_el@Dec 17 2002, 07:22 PM
also, mitsuman u say that we spend all those money to mod our cars, and we don't give 15-20 to go to drag strip....do u really know y?
as i say, i stay there for a whole day, and i only got to go for 2 runs......what a waste of time.........i can do 2 runs on the street for free, and it takes me 5 mins..........u guys might think i am an a**hole or something, but that's the truth.
On that same note, you only have to get caught once out of all your "free" runs, then you can say goodbye to your car as it gets towed away to the impound lot.
Then if you are smart you get to say hello to your lawyer and pay him to drag your ass out of the fire that the crown prosecutor is busy lighting under your ass.
By now, if you are "lucky",you've paid to get your car out of the impound lot, payed your lawyer big bucks and you walk away. If you aren't "lucky", you have payed all the aforementioned costs, plus you've been convicted. $500 dollar fine and a pile of demerits which your insurance company loves to see so they can rape and pilage your wallet furiously every month to pay your sky high insurance premiums.
All of these financial costs from your one "unlucky" free run don't even compare to the pain and suffering caused by an "accident". How much is a single human life worth?
Some people might think I am an asshole, but I consider $20 a week for a safe venue to test the limits of myself and my car a small price to pay. Timeslips don't lie, benchracers are perpetually full of shit. :bigthumbup:
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| albertarc |
quote:
Originally posted by RezaREX@Dec 17 2002, 06:56 PM
I'm just curious Jim if your last name is Flack???
I guess one of the good parts about discussion forums is you can remain anonymous if you wish ... I'm not here to do that. Yes the last name is Flack ... I see my anonymity is already gone. Was our previous meeting good / bad / or ugly?
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| dmak_el |
well....PearlyWhiteTSI yeah, u r right. i totally agree, for all the sh*t i will got if i got caught. and of coz life is priceless.....
but even i go to try my car out on the street, i did it safely(or i hope it's safe) ......i mean....i don't do a 1/4 mile run in downtown....u know what i mean..
and in vancouver, i did drive out to a street with my friends where there is no cars, no house , no nothing, and try out our cars.....(we did it only 1 or 2 times....i think).....and.....it takes us less then half hour.......
and of coz i know it's not good to race on the street, especially on a busy street with other cars....but.....i've only been here for 4 or 5 months, and i already c some street racing on the street here.....and.....it's just something that's hard to stop......
also, me and my friend always have nothing to do(in vancouver), when we r really bored, we will just drive our car out and speed a little......at the middle of the night........but do drag strip open at 1?...no!.....
and of coz there is no way that a drag strip will open that late....but...i am just try to point out some reasons that people go race on the street.....
one more thing, if u say"oh yeah it's danger to race on the street(even a street with no car, no people, no nothing, no snow or ice), then even u go to drag strip there is a danger that u crush.
and that's how i think.....
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| redbaron303 |
I really don't see the $20.00 at the track being a big deal. It's those of us that dont' have all the equipment: the helmet, the gas, the time.... whatever you want to call it. Street racing can be dangerous, and those of us that were doing it at Villenueve recognized that and took our Illegal sport outta town where we were the ones that could get hurt, not an innocent person. I've been to a lot of street drags and track drags and I've never raced in either (as of yet) and I think the track is safer but the streets are a little more fun.
I'm in this with SRBURG13... I would like to see the drag strip open LATE and the police running their sponsored car out there against all of us. I personally, as do a lot of people I know work a later shift at work 5-10 or 1-9pm both of which allows us to kiss our track time goodbye because it closes to early. The police and the city talk of our nice "street racing" problem but it does NOT help that our only legal place is 1) so far out of town, and 2) closes so early. One thing I would like to see from the track is to have it open late then for those of us without helmets have the track provide them at no cost or waivers for us to sign allowing us to take our chances and run without one like the "street"racers do (the unsafe method). Plus the way I see insurance policies for racing is, I can take a chance and run on the street getting coverage, possibly on a thin line; or go to the track and know my insurance is void and get an ass kicken from them if I crash on the track. (for those of you who think that comment is dumb, we all know it could be worse than losing a car at the track, on the streets!)
Basically I would like to see:
1 - The track open really late for us late nighters
2 - Cheap helmet rentals or chances without
3 - Place to buy gas since the ride out takes so long (is the shell in nisku 24/7???????)
4 - Another alternative if the track isn't willing to go along with this, for us late nighters that the police would find appealing, as not to bust and have us screwd by our insurance companies....
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| albertarc |
quote:
Originally posted by Nightstalker@Dec 17 2002, 10:38 AM
Nice to see we have another one of the good cops that is willing to work with people instead of just trapping us all and thorwing us all in jail. I am glad that you guys are still out there :D. Its kinda like my airsoft club, we call the gibbons RCMP befor every game that we have to let them know we are playing. Just incase they get a call from someone that says "Hey there are guys running all over the place with assault rifles" we play at a paintball field anyway but you never know it could still happen.
I actually have a question about undercar neon kits and the traffic by-laws. From my understanding they are legal as long as you cannot actually see the blub from outside the car. Like if you put something around it so that all the light is hitting the ground they are ok, is this true ?.
I hope to answer a few of the questions that came up with this one reply. Here is a quote from the Highway Traffic Act:
28 (1) Except as permitted by this Act, no vehicle shall display to the rear of it a light of any colour other than red.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to back-up lights when used in the process of backing up a vehicle.
What this means is if a police officer sees a light bulb from the rear of the vehicle (this includes off to one side or the other at the rear as well) the light must be red. These neon green / blue licence plate wraparounds are a no-no (however - ever think about getting a red one????). As far as the coloured glow projected by the neon lights there is no legislation that says you cannot have it. Where this becomes an issue is whether or not the lights distract / startle / or interfere with other users of the highway (definition under Sec 125 HTA - Stunting). This is a very grey area and is up to the dicretion of the police officer. I am not aware of any Court case that has set any sort of precidence - anyone else aware of any???
As far as tint ... oh boy is this a hot topic!!! Here is the quote from the HTA:
52(1) Subject to this section, no person shall place or install in a
motor vehicle a transparent, translucent or opaque material on or in
place of the
( a ) windshield glazing, or
( b ) side window glazing that is beside or forward of the driver on the right and left hand side of the motor vehicle.
(2) No person shall place or install in a motor vehicle a
transparent, translucent or opaque material on or in place of the rear
window glazing unless the motor vehicle is equipped with outside
rear view mirrors on the left and right of the motor vehicle that
comply with the requirements of section 53(2).
(3) Subsections (1) and (2) do not
( a ) apply to the equivalent replacement of the glazing installed by the manufacturer of the motor vehicle,
( b ) prohibit the use of clear untinted frost shields, or
( c ) prohibit the use of window stickers as long as they do not
impair the operator's field of vision or otherwise impair the safe operation of the motor vehicle.
The reason we get adamant about tint is because it changes the properties of the safety glass the film has been applied to. I have been told by insurance companies that they are starting to assign liability even when it is not the driver's fault when vehicle add-ons may have contributed in whole or part??????
For those of you who aren't aware ... generally the politicians make the laws, the police enforce the laws, and the Courts interpret the laws.
Here is a couple of website addresses that might answer some of the questions some of you might have (so I can't count).
Jimbo
http://www.qp.gov.ab.ca/documents/acts/H08.cfm (HTA)
http://www.qp.gov.ab.ca/documents/acts/M23.cfm (MVAA)
http://www.qp.gov.ab.ca/documents/acts/G01.cfm (GLA)
http://www.qp.gov.ab.ca/documents/acts/I03.cfm (IA)
http://www.qp.gov.ab.ca/documents/acts/M22.cfm (MVACA)
http://www.qp.gov.ab.ca/documents/acts/O05.cfm (OHVA)
http://www.qp.gov.ab.ca/documents/acts/T06.cfm (TSA - not in use yet)
http://www.qp.gov.ab.ca/documents/acts/200...01CH14_UNPR.cfm (TSAA - " ) B) |
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| albertarc |
quote:
Originally posted by redbaron303@Dec 17 2002, 11:45 PM
I'm in this with SRBURG13... I would like to see the drag strip open LATE and the police running their sponsored car out there against all of us.
Has anyone ever been to "Secret Street" at race City Speedway? They go well into the early morning which makes it very accessible for the Monday - Friday 8 - 5 crowd. Has anyone ever approached Kim @ Budweiser track to see if this is a possibilty up here? Just a suggestion????
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Dec 17 2002, 10:52 AM
Why not try a sport compact for your next project car. Then you'll be able to educate better, both the V8 crowd and the SC crowd... Isnt there someway you could pull a Honda civic from impound for "police" purposes.... and they're relatively inexpensive to modify?!
The reason our society went with a Duster is it was available & a lot of the parts etc have already been donated. As far as a sport - compact I think it's a great idea. Has anyone got one they'd like to donate ... unfortunately we don't have access to the vehicles we tow / seize as they get turned over to the tow companies & then usually scrapped (provincial legislation). I'm sure Kim @ Budweiser would love to see a sport - compact police car compete. Maybe this is something the V8less group & our society (YIELD: Youth Initiatives & Education In Lifestyles & Driving) could work on together???????
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by albertarc@Dec 17 2002, 11:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by redbaron303@Dec 17 2002, 11:45 PM
I'm in this with SRBURG13... I would like to see the drag strip open LATE and the police running their sponsored car out there against all of us.
Has anyone ever been to "Secret Street" at race City Speedway? They go well into the early morning which makes it very accessible for the Monday - Friday 8 - 5 crowd. Has anyone ever approached Kim @ Budweiser track to see if this is a possibilty up here? Just a suggestion????
Jimbo :unsure:
Sorry, I'm relatively new to this whole race scene... I haven't heard of this, "Secret Street" at race City Speedway?" I don't even know where that is.... is there a webpage with information that I can look at or should I just look up their number and phone em?!!!
Who is Kim and what does she do for Budwiser? I'm guessing operations management?! Does she have a direct line or a last name so if and when we phone out there we know we're talking to the right person?
Contact Budpark:
Mailing Address
Drag Racing Director, or
Oval Racing Director, or
Operations
Budweiser Motorsports Park
7003 Girard Road
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
T6B 2C4
Phone Numbers
Office Tel: (780) 461-5801
Office Fax: (780) 461-5827
Event Hotline: (780) 461-7056 or toll free 1-877-331-RACE
Internet Email
Email: info@budpark.com
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by albertarc@Dec 18 2002, 12:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by redbaron303@Dec 17 2002, 10:52 AM
Why not try a sport compact for your next project car. Then you'll be able to educate better, both the V8 crowd and the SC crowd... Isnt there someway you could pull a Honda civic from impound for "police" purposes.... and they're relatively inexpensive to modify?!
The reason our society went with a Duster is it was available & a lot of the parts etc have already been donated. As far as a sport - compact I think it's a great idea. Has anyone got one they'd like to donate ... unfortunately we don't have access to the vehicles we tow / seize as they get turned over to the tow companies & then usually scrapped (provincial legislation). I'm sure Kim @ Budweiser would love to see a sport - compact police car compete. Maybe this is something the V8less group & our society (YIELD: Youth Initiatives & Education In Lifestyles & Driving) could work on together???????
Jimbo :bigthumbup:
Attack redbaron night :)
Maybe the V8less society could do some sort of event and donate part of the profits to help you guys attain a sport compact and some parts? I know there are a lot of guys in this society who are well connected or just have to know how to help you guys out.... something to think of for spring...
Hint hint v8less :) More publicity for us and partnership with the police (no this doesn't mean they can make our speeding/parking tickets dissapear... ordoes it :))
BTW, thanks for answering some of those other questions we had about our lighting and window tint; basically it's all illegal, wheres the fun in that :( I'll be checking out the rest of those links later.
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by TheWask@Dec 17 2002, 01:22 PM
Do you find it amusing when your driving your squad and everyone around you becomes the model driver all of a sudden? For example your driving just bellow the speed limit but you have a line of cars behind you. These drivers for some reason think you will pull them over if they pass you, even though they will be going the speed limit still. I have seen this many times and just curious how the officers view this.
You're right ... it's amazing how good a driver everyone is when a marked police car is around. As far as the leading the parade (as we call it) I'm not a big fan & I usually pull off & let people go by. One thing that people may not realize is on a 4 lane divided highway we usually travel in the inner lane to allow us to make a quick turn around should we radar someone or see a violation etc. I believe in travelling the speed limit & yes sometimes I have quite the line-up behind me - again I usually pull over about that time.
Just a little FYI: Some of the other RCMP areas have began to use non-traditional police vehicles such as mini-vans, sport utilities etc to detect hazardous violations. This may be coming to Alberta sooner or later & if so it may be hard to tell exacty which car (or van etc for that matter) is a police vehicle. This is not done to be sneaky & tick people off ... it is done to eliminate tailgating / unsafe lane changes / dangerously aggressive driving etc. Just to let you know I am not telling any trade secrets out of school. We want to be as open & upfront with everyone as we can. I am a strong believer in education / awareness ... then if that doesn't work the only other option is enforcement.
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| RDS Celica |
Ya here in the Park they have a 5-0 SUV and it scared the crap outta me one night cause it ripped by me just cruising with red strobes and stuff. And theres that rusted out POS ghost car on whyte ave that I always see busting people too... geez you guys are evil :D !
Oh ya and if you want a car ill donate my prelude after the winter is over... well whats left of it anyways haha. |
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Dec 18 2002, 12:13 AM
(no this doesn't mean they can make our speeding/parking tickets dissapear... ordoes it :))
I can't do anything about the tickets people have already accumulated but let's try to limit the number of tickets rec'd in the future. I seem to recall a number of police officers in the past have lost jobs for making tickets disappear ... I love my wages & future pension alot more than that (not even close ... but good try!!!)
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| cflude |
| I have a question about photo radar van, I thought the whole point of having these are a public awarness issue so that people knows your existence, what I can't understand is that why are these vans/trucks hiding behind trees and some secondary roads? As we can't see you and how are we suppose to know you are there? It seems like photo radar are more for the profit side then public awarness? |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by albertarc@Dec 18 2002, 12:27 AM
quote:
Originally posted by redbaron303@Dec 18 2002, 12:13 AM
(no this doesn't mean they can make our speeding/parking tickets dissapear... ordoes it :))
I can't do anything about the tickets people have already accumulated but let's try to limit the number of tickets rec'd in the future. I seem to recall a number of police officers in the past have lost jobs for making tickets disappear ... I love my wages & future pension alot more than that (not even close ... but good try!!!)
Jimbo :wacko:
I think you're going to prove to be a good guy to have around on this board. You seem to have a good sense of humour, but know that you're job is important. I like to see the police taking an active role in stopping what is against the law. Like all of us have been taught, education is the first step to success and I think that as much as you educate us about the law and how it affects all of us, we can try and help educate law enforcement about our cars, thus becoming one big happy family... right :)
In reality I don't think we'll ever see the end of street racing, after all it's history dates back to at least the 50's. I really just don't want to see a serious accident or death caused by street racing... one that actually doesn't involve alcohol like that kid in the cavalier. |
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| albertarc |
quote:
Originally posted by prophet_ca@Dec 17 2002, 08:19 PM
say you replace your factory airbag equipped steering wheel with a aftermarket unit what are the consequences
Here's a quote from the HTA regarding this issue:
55(1) Without in any way restricting the provisions of this Part,
the owner of a vehicle shall keep and maintain the vehicle and all
the vehicle's equipment in a condition of conformity at all times
with any standards or specifications prescribed by the regulations
and shall keep and maintain all equipment prescribed by this Act or
the regulations
( a ) in good working order, and
( b ) properly attached to the vehicle,
having regard to the purpose for which that equipment is intended.
In layman's terms this means any safety equipment the vehicle comes with from the factory must be kept in proper working order. I am not up on the newer style aftermarket steering wheels but I would think there should be something out there for this type of application. Any suggestions from anyone else???????
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| redbaron303 |
quote:
Originally posted by albertarc@Dec 18 2002, 12:35 AM
quote:
Originally posted by prophet_ca@Dec 17 2002, 08:19 PM
say you replace your factory airbag equipped steering wheel with a aftermarket unit what are the consequences
Here's a quote from the HTA regarding this issue:
55(1) Without in any way restricting the provisions of this Part,
the owner of a vehicle shall keep and maintain the vehicle and all
the vehicle's equipment in a condition of conformity at all times
with any standards or specifications prescribed by the regulations
and shall keep and maintain all equipment prescribed by this Act or
the regulations
( a ) in good working order, and
( b ) properly attached to the vehicle,
having regard to the purpose for which that equipment is intended.
In layman's terms this means any safety equipment the vehicle comes with from the factory must be kept in proper working order. I am not up on the newer style aftermarket steering wheels but I would think there should be something out there for this type of application. Any suggestions from anyone else???????
Jimbo :unsure:
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by cflude@Dec 18 2002, 12:31 AM
I have a question about photo radar van, I thought the whole point of having these are a public awarness issue so that people knows your existence, what I can't understand is that why are these vans/trucks hiding behind trees and some secondary roads? As we can't see you and how are we suppose to know you are there? It seems like photo radar are more for the profit side then public awarness?
I don't think I am in a position to answer this question. We Have opted not to use photo radar as of yet so maybe someone from EPS / CPS would be more able to give the goods on this??
Jimbo ;) |
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| cflude |
quote:
Originally posted by albertarc@Dec 18 2002, 12:38 AM
quote:
Originally posted by cflude@Dec 18 2002, 12:31 AM
I have a question about photo radar van, I thought the whole point of having these are a public awarness issue so that people knows your existence, what I can't understand is that why are these vans/trucks hiding behind trees and some secondary roads? As we can't see you and how are we suppose to know you are there? It seems like photo radar are more for the profit side then public awarness?
I don't think I am in a position to answer this question. We Have opted not to use photo radar as of yet so maybe someone from EPS / CPS would be more able to give the goods on this??
Jimbo ;)
Hi albertarc:
thanks for the reply, other than the humor, you have good use of our smilies as well, you should hook us up with a eps/cps as well! aren't there more people in your street legal department? :D |
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Does this mean that if we replace an srs wheel, with an aftermarket one that has not air bag we can be fined big time or are there more serious consequences?
Yeah what exactly does all that technical jorgon mean... |
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| TheWask |
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Originally posted by RDS Celica@Dec 18 2002, 07:22 AM
Ya here in the Park they have a 5-0 SUV and it scared the crap outta me one night cause it ripped by me just cruising with red strobes and stuff. And theres that rusted out POS ghost car on whyte ave that I always see busting people too... geez you guys are evil :D !
Dont forget the grey unmarked crown vic that drives around at night. Its pretty obvious, but it does work. 16 y/o kids from the Park seem to get pulled over alot from it. To stupid to realize it. |
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| RDS Celica |
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Originally posted by TheWask@Dec 18 2002, 12:58 AM
quote:
Originally posted by RDS Celica@Dec 18 2002, 07:22 AM
Ya here in the Park they have a 5-0 SUV and it scared the crap outta me one night cause it ripped by me just cruising with red strobes and stuff. And theres that rusted out POS ghost car on whyte ave that I always see busting people too... geez you guys are evil :D !
Dont forget the grey unmarked crown vic that drives around at night. Its pretty obvious, but it does work. 16 y/o kids from the Park seem to get pulled over alot from it. To stupid to realize it.
Ya I got my first window tint ticket from that ghost car way back when I was 16 actually haha. But now I can see it comming from a mile away. Just gotta know what to look for (no hubcaps lol). Hopefully my radar detector will pick them up anyways :fingersx: |
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| mrprecidia |
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Originally posted by dmak_el@Dec 18 2002, 02:22 AM
i think SRBURG13 has his point......i dont 'know if it will work, but i think it will be good to try.....
one more thing,
i came from vancouver about 4 or 5 months ago, and i went to street racing in vancouver all the time. but i only raced once......
the reasons for me and my friends to go watch street racing, it's becuse the feelings......it's different then go to drag strip....(and i think it's cool to see people got arrest)
there is just one thing that i don't like for drag strip, is that i have to wait in line for so long......:thumbsdown:
i also went to a drag strip once in vancouver, i was there for one whole day, and i only got to go 2 times.......if i am on the street...i can do more than 10 runs in an hour......but i would still like to go to drag strip, if it's cheap
also, mitsuman u say that we spend all those money to mod our cars, and we don't give 15-20 to go to drag strip....do u really know y?
as i say, i stay there for a whole day, and i only got to go for 2 runs......what a waste of time.........i can do 2 runs on the street for free, and it takes me 5 mins..........u guys might think i am an a**hole or something, but that's the truth.
well at the v8less sccc I got in 14 legal runs. would that be enough for you?
keep it off the street :bigthumbup: |
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| dmak_el |
| ..um....14 runs.....good :bigthumbup: |
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| Nightstalker |
| You know what I would like to see. a Police Interspeter Spec Crown vic out at the track.. just to answer that question.. if you really wanted to.. could you out pull a high end carbon coated city cruiser.. but I guess that would just make people think more about doing it and that would be a bad thing. |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
quote:
Originally posted by albertarc@Dec 18 2002, 12:38 AM
quote:
Originally posted by cflude@Dec 18 2002, 12:31 AM
I have a question about photo radar van, I thought the whole point of having these are a public awarness issue so that people knows your existence, what I can't understand is that why are these vans/trucks hiding behind trees and some secondary roads? As we can't see you and how are we suppose to know you are there? It seems like photo radar are more for the profit side then public awarness?
I don't think I am in a position to answer this question. We Have opted not to use photo radar as of yet so maybe someone from EPS / CPS would be more able to give the goods on this??
Jimbo ;)
You I'd like to know about the usage of photo radar signs too, why some use them, why some are posted around the city, and why this area isn't defined, c'mon, somone cough it up! :)
ps. I too would like to see a police interceptor out at the track, that would be cool :) |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
| Hey, can someone pin this topic or give me right to?!, Chris?, Mark?, Kev?!!? |
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| RezaREX |
Jim,
(I'm the guy who asked about your last name)
Our last meeting was definately bad (for me). What a night to attend my first street race (and my last). We met involuntarily at the villeneuve airport. As far as the ugly part I must say that with all what was going on that night you were much more easier to talk to and communicate with than the other officers involved. That is the reason why I remembered your name. You seemed to have more of a grasp of the feeling of the people involved than the other officers as well. Anyway I hope the next time we meet it will be under better circumstances.
RezaREX - Next stop, Sky High Premiums!!!! ( I'm only 18 :( ) |
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| cflude |
quote:
Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Dec 18 2002, 07:25 AM
Hey, can someone pin this topic or give me right to?!, Chris?, Mark?, Kev?!!?
Andy, at the bottom of this page, there is a drop box for you to 'pin don'
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker@Dec 18 2002, 02:06 AM
You know what I would like to see. a Police Interspeter Spec Crown vic out at the track.. just to answer that question.. if you really wanted to.. could you out pull a high end carbon coated city cruiser.. but I guess that would just make people think more about doing it and that would be a bad thing.
Strange you should ask ... one of the members of our YIELD Assoc (please refer to previous post for definition) is looking at buying an unmarked LT1 Caprice 9C1 option code for adding to our stable. There's a lot you can do to those. Some people will fix those up & make them similar to an Impala SS of the same vintage.
As far as out pulling a cruiser ... there's always something faster out there than a police vehicle. There's a few things though that are faster than any car: radio, helicopter, gas station, cooling system, empty bottle of NOS, dead end road, K9 puppy ...
Jimbo :mellow: |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
quote:
Originally posted by cflude@Dec 18 2002, 08:17 AM
quote:
Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Dec 18 2002, 07:25 AM
Hey, can someone pin this topic or give me right to?!, Chris?, Mark?, Kev?!!?
Andy, at the bottom of this page, there is a drop box for you to 'pin don'
t close"
Wilson, I am not an idiot, I remember your teachings, but I have only the following options under "Topic Options"
Move, Close, Delete or Edit this topic
If I add a reply, I have only these options "After Posting"
"Don't Pin or Close"
"Close this Topic"
I still think there are problems with this board software.
so :P :P :P :P :P :P :P etc. |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
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Originally posted by albertarc@Dec 18 2002, 08:53 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Nightstalker@Dec 18 2002, 02:06 AM
You know what I would like to see. a Police Interspeter Spec Crown vic out at the track.. just to answer that question.. if you really wanted to.. could you out pull a high end carbon coated city cruiser.. but I guess that would just make people think more about doing it and that would be a bad thing.
Strange you should ask ... one of the members of our YIELD Assoc (please refer to previous post for definition) is looking at buying an unmarked LT1 Caprice 9C1 option code for adding to our stable. There's a lot you can do to those. Some people will fix those up & make them similar to an Impala SS of the same vintage.
As far as out pulling a cruiser ... there's always something faster out there than a police vehicle. There's a few things though that are faster than any car: radio, helicopter, gas station, cooling system, empty bottle of NOS, dead end road, K9 puppy ...
Jimbo :mellow:
Haha, but I bet it would be just plain fun to run up against an interceptor style cruiser :D |
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| Dirty_SOHC |
| albertarc please check your PM please... |
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| Genki |
Blue:
I think u need a manual or a tutorial :D :P |
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| NCC-1701D |
the one thing good about having bud park far away is THE NOISE of modded cars....you guys have talked about "safer street racing" on non heavy populated roads and how they don't hurt any innocent by stander...but hey guys what about the noise...people are trying to sleep when you guys are racing.......
on a side note of noise ...can anyone get an eps officer here to talk about the noise and their helicopter....that they fly that thing at like 10 pm - 3 am ...some of us have to get up at 6 am....
i really wonder on the effective ness on that helicopter....i'm saying get rid of it because we all know that will never happen..but can they not fly that thing only when it is needed.. |
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| Dirty_SOHC |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by Dirty_SOHC@Dec 18 2002, 10:55 AM
There is no such thing such as safer street racing
Sure there is. There is blatantly stupid street racing... draggin whyte during the fringe.... or there is the safer alternative - draggin out a villenueve where there are only the racers and not hundreds of unsuspecting people! As well all know the safest method of racing is out at budpark, right?! |
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| KAOS41 |
welcome to the board albertarc :D
my question is about the use of photoradar plates are these illegal and what is the fine if you are caught with one of these? |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
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Originally posted by Genki@Dec 18 2002, 10:42 AM
Blue:
I think u need a manual or a tutorial :D :P
No :slap: I need access :slap: you need another one? :slap:
Now I can, so there :P
And have another one :slap: :D |
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| cflude |
quote:
Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Dec 18 2002, 12:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Genki@Dec 18 2002, 10:42 AM
Blue:
I think u need a manual or a tutorial :D :P
No :slap: I need access :slap: you need another one? :slap:
Now I can, so there :P
And have another one :slap: :D
you know what? I think that option is gone!! sorry blue |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Wilson stay on topic! :slap: :D
But yes, there are such things as safer racing and dumbass racing.
A dumbass will be weaving in and out of traffic at peak hours, cutting off busses, trying to intimidate others and just being plain ass.
Safer (although I donot condone street racing of anykind) racing would be like what RedBaron says. |
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| albertarc |
quote:
Originally posted by prophet_ca@Dec 17 2002, 08:19 PM
my question is about replacement steering wheels... say you replace your factory airbag equipped steering wheel with a aftermarket unit what are the consequences
This goes with the old Sec 55 HTA offence of - failing to maintain vehicle equipment. Here's a suggestion though ... "Grant" has airbag styling rings that accent your original SRS steering wheel. They come in rosewood, burlwood (whatever that is), and ***carbon fibre***.
I guess there's a certain rule of thumb that applies here: if you can't do the time ... don't do the crime. There's a lot of people out there that are doing illegal acts that never get caught; however, don't be upset with the police if you're one of the ones that does get caught doing something illegal!!
Jimbo :o |
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| albertarc |
quote:
Originally posted by KAOS41@Dec 18 2002, 12:17 PM
welcome to the board albertarc :D
my question is about the use of photoradar plates are these illegal and what is the fine if you are caught with one of these?
Here is a quote from the Motor Vehicle Administration Act:
53(1) The operator of a motor vehicle or trailer shall at all times
keep any licence plate required to be attached to the vehicle
secured in a manner and maintained in a condition so as to be
clearly visible and readable and unobscured by any part of the
vehicle or its attachments or load or otherwise.
(2) No person shall be considered to contravene subsection (1) by
reason only that a trailer is attached to the rear of a motor vehicle
that the person owns or operates.
It's the "visible and readable and unobscured" portion that makes the photo radar plate covers illegal. This goes also for normal tinted covers, trailer balls, bumpers etc that block visibility of the plate. Just a little FYI: Now that it's winter that also includes snow / mud / dirt.
The cost for having an obscure licence plate is $57 & of course the possibility of having the cover seized. Again this is left up to the discretion of the fellow that pulls you over.
Jimbo :mellow: |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
quote:
Originally posted by Dirty_SOHC@Dec 18 2002, 09:16 AM
albertarc please check your PM please...
Not that it's any of my business or anything, but I'm hoping this PM was not about to start a PM flame war or anything.
If you have any issues, please discuss it in the public forum.
I don't want to hear about he said or she said, did that, whatever.
If I am way off base on this, then disregard this message. |
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| Focus Guy |
quote:
Originally posted by albertarc@Dec 18 2002, 03:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by prophet_ca@Dec 17 2002, 08:19 PM
my question is about replacement steering wheels... say you replace your factory airbag equipped steering wheel with a aftermarket unit what are the consequences
This goes with the old Sec 55 HTA offence of - failing to maintain vehicle equipment. Here's a suggestion though ... "Grant" has airbag styling rings that accent your original SRS steering wheel. They come in rosewood, burlwood (whatever that is), and ***carbon fibre***.
I guess there's a certain rule of thumb that applies here: if you can't do the time ... don't do the crime. There's a lot of people out there that are doing illegal acts that never get caught; however, don't be upset with the police if you're one of the ones that does get caught doing something illegal!!
Jimbo :o
I would take this one to court and laugh when I win just like the last time.
These silly cops think there smart somtimes (not refering to anybody here). Doing what I do I see all the bullshit tickets in the world. Such as guys with exhaust that is too loud, tips is to big.etc. So example Apexi Talon cat-back I say again cat back only nothing else touched. The exhaust is too loud. and the tip is bigger then the muffler outlet. So you pay 1300.00 for a system that is 50 state legal but some cop figures he/she knows better? Who are we to judge? Thats right we can't say shit! If you do just another ticket. So if you get a ticket for exhaust, before you go to court read the California Hwy Patrols. Letter on the Apexi-USA site in documentation first. Here in edmonton or sorounding area there is no more DB testing done on noise violations. (go to court)
Last this FAILING TO MAINTAIN VEHICLE EQUIPMENT , bull shit that is poping up everywere. I sure didn't know that our local Police were certified to inspect our cars isn't that what INSPECTION SERVICES is? I'm sure the young guy that changes oil at our store knows more about safety issues than 90% of Police out there. Our Police should be looking out for those guys who shot my friend or are stoking freeks rather than picking on those of us that are only on are way home from a long day at work!!! Or maybe its me?
Hands down to the Sherwood park RCMP they are what our Community Police should be involed with making people happy not making enimies. |
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| albertarc |
quote:
Originally posted by MIDAS GUY@Dec 18 2002, 09:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by albertarc@Dec 18 2002, 03:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by prophet_ca@Dec 17 2002, 08:19 PM
my question is about replacement steering wheels... say you replace your factory airbag equipped steering wheel with a aftermarket unit what are the consequences
This goes with the old Sec 55 HTA offence of - failing to maintain vehicle equipment. Here's a suggestion though ... "Grant" has airbag styling rings that accent your original SRS steering wheel. They come in rosewood, burlwood (whatever that is), and ***carbon fibre***.
I guess there's a certain rule of thumb that applies here: if you can't do the time ... don't do the crime. There's a lot of people out there that are doing illegal acts that never get caught; however, don't be upset with the police if you're one of the ones that does get caught doing something illegal!!
Jimbo :o
I would take this one to court and laugh when I win just like the last time.
These silly cops think there smart somtimes (not refering to anybody here). Doing what I do I see all the bullshit tickets in the world. Such as guys with exhaust that is too loud, tips is to big.etc. So example Apexi Talon cat-back I say again cat back only nothing else touched. The exhaust is too loud. and the tip is bigger then the muffler outlet. So you pay 1300.00 for a system that is 50 state legal but some cop figures he/she knows better? Who are we to judge? Thats right we can't say shit! If you do just another ticket. So if you get a ticket for exhaust, before you go to court read the California Hwy Patrols. Letter on the Apexi-USA site in documentation first. Here in edmonton or sorounding area there is no more DB testing done on noise violations. (go to court)
Last this FAILING TO MAINTAIN VEHICLE EQUIPMENT , bull shit that is poping up everywere. I sure didn't know that our local Police were certified to inspect our cars isn't that what INSPECTION SERVICES is? I'm sure the young guy that changes oil at our store knows more about safety issues than 90% of Police out there. Our Police should be looking out for those guys who shot my friend or are stoking freeks rather than picking on those of us that are only on are way home from a long day at work!!! Or maybe its me?
Hands down to the Sherwood park RCMP they are what our Community Police should be involed with making people happy not making enimies.
I guess this is why we live in a democratic society - so that we can all have our opinions.
As far as equipment being 50 state legal ... the last time I checked we lived in Canada???
As far as police not being certified to inspect vehicles ... the Highway Traffic Act gives peace officers authority to inspect in certain instances as well as to have the vehicle removed from the road to allow for an inspection by a licenced mechanic. I don't know any mechanic that would sign his name to an inspection where the SRS system has been disabled to allow for a neat steering wheel to be put on nor do I know any Judge that would say the vehicle is as safe as when it was manufactured (proof of the charge).
Believe it or not there are actual police officers that know their way around cars. I am a licenced Motor Mechanic with an Interprovincial Red Seal & I know of at least one of the EPS members that has the same designation. You also have to understand that as a Traffic Unit member my duties are vehicle related & therefore it's up to me to ensure that I am aware of certain requirements for vehicles / drivers / and police officers.
If some people would put as much energy into trying to change things they feel are wrong as what they expel to complain about them then maybe some of the laws you feel are wrong would get changed for the better. My father once told me that if I did not vote during an election then I had no right to criticize the actions of whoever got into power. I feel this issue is similar when people complain about seatbelts / equipment requirements etc. How many readers have fought to have a law changed? There are groups such as MADD & SADD that do just that. As a Canadian citizen you have the right to lobby for change so if you feel so strongly about your feelings then maybe you should put your money where your mouth is & approach your MLA / MP & ask for change. Of course this is just IMHO.
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Just a few more...
Maybe these are a stupid question, but what do police/rcmp have authority to do to a car? Remove tint? Impound for the srs wheel being taken off? What kind of authority can you inforce on us as drivers?! Where do you as a police officer see limits on the authority you have a right to enforce?!?!?!?
What is considered to be a muffler that a ticket can be written up for? An officer in StAlbert tried to write me a ticket for a noisy car, but I had the inspection from Mazda with me that said everything was the way it should be and he didn't actually write me the ticket in the end. Can a car be too low in Canada, I know in Cali. their highway patrol has authority to write tickets for "lowrdiers" if the lights aren't a certain height (another instance that isn't canada, but is there a ride height limit)? What about tires, are there actual requirements for tread or is anything game?!
Are there any actual modifications that aren't legal to perform on any vehicle? Other than have NOS bottles hooked up in the car..?
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| dmak_el |
so there is a law "Sec 55 HTA offence of - failing to maintain vehicle equipment"
so what if i change the stock rims to an aftermarket ones? the stock rims is part of the the vehicle's equipment......will i get a ticket for it?
how about i have a broken seat, and i change it to some nicer seat(racing seat), will i get a ticket?
what if my front window is broken, and i change it to some aftermarket ones(not make by the same campany as my car), is it failling to maintain vehicle equipment?
i really want to know how a police design to give a ticket about the aftermarket stuff i put on the car????do they just give a ticket whenever they want to?(that's how i think) or they have rules about it?
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| Nightstalker |
Albertarc your car (the drag one) is one of the cop version right with the lights and stuff on top?. I was wondering if you would be interested in bringing it out to a movie premier show for something like FnF 2 or Quttro Noza.. Might be a good thing to have there because there could be some kind of racing and law information or something.. I don't know its just a idea..
about the 50 state legal thing.. I have a really hard time with thinking that anything that is legal in cali, is not going to be here.. Alberta allowes you to run some of the worst cars in existance... for the enviroment anyway...
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker@Dec 19 2002, 04:12 AM
Albertarc your car (the drag one) is one of the cop version right with the lights and stuff on top?. I was wondering if you would be interested in bringing it out to a movie premier show for something like FnF 2 or Quttro Noza.. Might be a good thing to have there because there could be some kind of racing and law information or something.. I don't know its just a idea..
Sounds like a good idea for the movie premier thing. The Duster though has been stripped of pretty much everything but sheet metal & rubber to get ready for painting. We hope to get it together for this spring's first race @ Budweiser. As far as the Super Cops Nova I'll have to check with my boss & see what their status is.
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| NCC-1701D |
albertarc --> my question to you is ....what is to loud. ? how does a police officer at the scene deteremine whether a car is too loud.....me myself I like the stock quiet exhaust....but there are cars and motorcycles (eg Harley Davidson) that come from the factory that are louder than most after market exhaust....like there are tests out there that test dbs of these factory machines at idle...3000 Rpm and WOT...also i the subject of loud...there are some factory stereos that are louder than people's exhaust......
i remember years back when the Rolling Stones came to play in our city..i could hear the concert from my house. (I live miles and miles away from Common Wealth Stadium) There were no tickets handed out on noise then nor were there police officers to stop the concert for the noise...
i personally think that the eps helicopter is louder than most modded cars...
but i don't see police officers impounding the helicopter nor issueing tickets to the thing.....
i have nothing against modded exhausts.....if the people have modded and louder exhaust ...i just ask them to be considerate and not drive at at higher RPM's at night.... |
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| albertarc |
quote:
Originally posted by NCC-1701D@Dec 19 2002, 09:14 AM
my question to you is ....what is to loud
This is my definition of too loud ... if I can hear you before I see you. Is this usually a problem ... not usually. As you mentioned though if this same vehicle is driving around at night in or near residential areas then yes it is a problem. I recently had a conviction in Court on a charge where during the day I heard a motorcycle approx 1/2 km away accelerate to pass a motorhome. We were both travelling the speed limit of 110 km/h & I had my windows up & good old CISN 103.9 on the radio. Do you think this would be too loud. The owner of the bike didn't think so and even after advised he was just getting a warning to have the mufflers replaced continued to be belligerent ... some people really do talk themselves into the tickets they receive.
As far as exhaust systems I can't tell you whether or not a certain police officer is going to give you a ticket. If he / she feels it is too loud or inadequate & then gives you a ticket it's up to that same member to explain to the Courts why he / she issued the ticket. Then it's up to the Courts to determine guilt or innocence. As far as having an enlarged exhaust outlet on muffler here's the general rule: if the outlet from the muffler is factory but there's a 4" tip on the tail pipe - no problem. If there's a 4" tip attached directly to the muffler as the outlet - problem. I have yet to see a Honda Civic / Eagle Talon / Toyota Supra / Subaru Impreza etc with a 3" or greater output from a stock muffler. Now if you replace the muffler with an aftermarket one that has a 4" output - problem.
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| Benny |
I think this is the best forum ever created!
I have a question for you then,
What sort of charges and fines are issued for a N2O system being installed in a vehicle and operable on public roads. |
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| Benny |
| I am also curious as to what age group you fit into if you dont mind, you seem to be pretty openminded and you have a good sense of humor. |
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| dmak_el |
| albertarc, so if the aftermarket muffler have a tip that is smaller than 4" output, is it ok? |
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| redbaron303 |
Basically, what I've just understood about noise and exhaust is that it shouldn't exceed the factory system?! Big tip small muffler = bad; big muffler + big tip = bad; factory style system with tip/muffler not exceeding 3-4 inches = not bad unless you can hear the car over anything and everything?!
I have an 83 Mazda RX7... it's a100db lawnmower... I think the sound is rude coming from my own car, but when Ihad it inspected there had been (and still are) no mods done to the car. My car is naturally loud according to the Mazda mechanic who inspected and serviced my car. From what I understand would my mech. inspection be enough to have the charges dropped on the exhaust? (plus my tip and muffler aren't even a 3-4 inch system(either part...)) I should not be able to have tickets handed down to me (unless i'm driving at 7000rpm at night...) for noise control because it's a factory setting... |
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| Dirty_SOHC |
quote:
Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Dec 18 2002, 07:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Dirty_SOHC@Dec 18 2002, 09:16 AM
albertarc please check your PM please...
Not that it's any of my business or anything, but I'm hoping this PM was not about to start a PM flame war or anything.
If you have any issues, please discuss it in the public forum.
I don't want to hear about he said or she said, did that, whatever.
If I am way off base on this, then disregard this message.
No
Jk...
I was inquiring about using my old nitrous system to spray and freeze my intercooler.
Since I am not using nitrous as an Accelerant anymore. would it be illegal if the bottle was still hooked up. and active
In Calgary, I have spoke with many popo's, They have told me that it is illegal if the bottle is hook up and used as an accelerant. |
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| NCC-1701D |
| albertarc --> thanks for response..... |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
quote:
Originally posted by Dirty_SOHC@Dec 19 2002, 12:11 PM
[QUOTE=Dirty_SOHC,Dec 18 2002, 09:16 AM]
No
Jk...
I was inquiring about using my old nitrous system to spray and freeze my intercooler.
Since I am not using nitrous as an Accelerant anymore. would it be illegal if the bottle was still hooked up. and active
In Calgary, I have spoke with many popo's, They have told me that it is illegal if the bottle is hook up and used as an accelerant.
Hahaha, :)
Yeah, I wanted to try this to, or use a motor from the washer pump to spray water on the intercooler a 'la WRX (Japan version only I think)
Thing is, it'd be hard to prove that the nitrous isn't going into your motor...
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Originally posted by albertarc@Dec 19 2002, 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by NCC-1701D@Dec 19 2002, 09:14 AM
........... As far as having an enlarged exhaust outlet on muffler here's the general rule: if the outlet from the muffler is factory but there's a 4" tip on the tail pipe - no problem. If there's a 4" tip attached directly to the muffler as the outlet - problem. I have yet to see a Honda Civic / Eagle Talon / Toyota Supra / Subaru Impreza etc with a 3" or greater output from a stock muffler. Now if you replace the muffler with an aftermarket one that has a 4" output - problem.
Jimbo B)
Jim
Can you elaborate more on why different exhaust is an infraction? My Supra has an aftermarket exhaust, and although the piping and tip are larger (3" & 5"), the system follows the factory pipe routing, uses all the original hangers and connectors, doesn't hang any lower then the stock system, retains the catalytic converter, and isn't much louder than stock, if at all.
I'm really happy to see an officer on the forums. The communication is excellent.
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by Benny@Dec 19 2002, 10:51 AM
What sort of charges and fines are issued for a N2O system being installed in a vehicle and operable on public roads.
N2O seems to be a fairly hot topic & I can see my answers aren't clearing the muddy waters. Please give me a couple of weeks (X-mas season & all) & I will consult w/ our Crown Prosecutor & get his two bits worth on the subject.
Speaking of Christmas ... Merry Ho Ho to all!!!
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| BlueTurboEGG |
| Merry Christmas to you too Jim :) |
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by Ven@Dec 19 2002, 08:32 PM
Can you elaborate more on why different exhaust is an infraction?
I'll try to explain using my good old winter beater Mazda 626. If I leave all of the pipes the same as stock up to the muffler but put on an aftermarket muffler with an oversized output tip it usually means an increase in output noise. This is because the pipe through the muffler is usually also the increased size which decreases the efficiency of the muffler. When a muffler company advertises an increase in horsepower with their system it is as a result of the system having less restriction; however, less restriction means increased noise. This is why drag racers unbolt their exhaust system from the header collector (or add piping to bypass the mufflers - Race Reddies etc) ... to get the benefits of less restriction.
Less restriction = more usable power = more noise.
Hope this clarifies ... say what - I can't hear you?
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Dec 19 2002, 07:39 PM
Yeah, I wanted to try this to, or use a motor from the washer pump to spray water on the intercooler a 'la WRX (Japan version only I think)
Just a little FYI:
Before nitrous came on the scene racers used to use water and / or alcohol injection to cool the air / fuel mixture entering the combustion chamber. The windshield washer pump & nozzle was used to squirt the liquid down the carburetor venturi. This allowed for a cooler mixture which let you advance the ignition timing past the point where the engine usually detonated (pinged) which resulted in an increase in horsepower without increasing the octane rating of the fuel.
Who'd a thunk it???
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by dmak_el@Dec 19 2002, 11:10 AM
albertarc, so if the aftermarket muffler have a tip that is smaller than 4" output, is it ok?
The 4" size that I mentioned was just an example because vehicles don't come from the factory with 4" piping. Please refer to explanation of exhaust limits in a couple of posts up.
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| Ven |
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Originally posted by albertarc@Dec 19 2002, 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by Ven@Dec 19 2002, 08:32 PM
Can you elaborate more on why different exhaust is an infraction?
I'll try to explain using my good old winter beater Mazda 626. If I leave all of the pipes the same as stock up to the muffler but put on an aftermarket muffler with an oversized output tip it usually means an increase in output noise. This is because the pipe through the muffler is usually also the increased size which decreases the efficiency of the muffler. When a muffler company advertises an increase in horsepower with their system it is as a result of the system having less restriction; however, less restriction means increased noise. This is why drag racers unbolt their exhaust system from the header collector (or add piping to bypass the mufflers - Race Reddies etc) ... to get the benefits of less restriction.
Less restriction = more usable power = more noise.
Hope this clarifies ... say what - I can't hear you?
Jimbo :wacko:
How does that make my near factory quiet aftermarket exhaust illegal?
I totally understand the open header, no muffler, cheap loud system problems. It pisses me off too, ESPECIALLY HARLEY'S that blattttttt past my open window at WOT.
However, what could possibly be illegal about an exhaust system that is close to OEM sound level, follows OEM routing under the car, uses the OEM mounting points, doesn't drag, retains all of the OEM emissions equipment, and is made of better materials.
I guess I'm still confused as to what really quantifes my particular system being deemed illegal, 'cause I sure wanna know if I ever get pulled over :)
"Less restriction = more usable power = more noise."
"...; however, less restriction means increased noise."
Those generalizations can be proven wrong with a ride in my car. :P
Thanks for the help Jim.
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