| cua0 |
why is it that almost everywhere i go, people are worse and worse.. at first i noticed it when i lived in edmonton, people wouldnt signal, they'd cut you off at the most inconsiderate times, or they'd just do something that boggles my mind. these people go around on a daily basis driving like complete asshats and get away with it, yet i try to obey all traffic laws at all times and get busted/nailed for just about anything i do wrong? (not so much anymore thankfully, but at the time it was really bad)
things i've noticed seeping into red deer.
people not signalling, complete lack of regard for the safety of others.
people "merging" halfway into an intersection and STOPPING when they see me, or anyone else, coming towards them in the lane they're merging into. i almost got into a very serious accident a few days ago when someone did this to me, then he proceeded to tailgate me for about 6 blocks until i turned where i had to. this prompted me to grab the persons license plate and phone the local authorities to report it, they ran a check and matched the vehicle to the description i gave them, then told me that i had to come out of my way down to the police station and write out a statement... then of course nothing came of it.
there was another incident worth mention, during the summer we hold weekly meets at a downtown parking lot, on one such occasion an individual showed up drunk, we do not appreciate this as it leads to more stereotyping of us as streetracers, or people who take safety lightly, one of my aquaintences phoned the police, noticing that there was a cruiser circling the block doing routine checks or whatever, the person on the phone with the lady heard her describe what was happening to the patrolling officer, told him exactly where to look (directly to his right) to see the drunk driver mid-accident (he backed into a truck and tore the bumper partially off the truck as well as pulling his fender almost completely off) seconds later the patrolling officer makes an abrupt left hand turn as if to avoid the situation. what the hell?!?
i'm just curious why the authorities seem to disregard peoples blatent lack of signalling? and why is it such a pain in the ass to report an incident that could have led to my death, or injury? |
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| GTS Jeff |
dude, its cuz ppl drive better when they see cops around..
bitching here isnt gona change anything. cops cant be everywhere at all times...all u can do is try harder to be a defensive driver. |
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| Benny |
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Originally posted by cua0@Dec 21 2002, 12:32 AM
and why is it such a pain in the ass to report an incident that could have led to my death, or injury?
Because, plain and simple, it DIDN'T result in death or injury and the police have more interest in things that ARE, if they were to follow up with every complaint and such, nothing would get done. They cant be everywhere at once.
I say we should have mandatory trivers testing every 5 years. there are far too many people with terrible driving habbits, and most of these people I se are older (25+) and generally driving one of 3 vehicles: Trucks (fX50, Chev Silverado/Z71, Dodge Ram), Minivans (some of these women really amaze me how they survive thier daily commute) and Beat old ass vehicles that are falling appart and burn every fluid imaginable. |
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| ClubEL (AzNBonD) |
i understand your frustration man... i see morons in SUVs and soccer moms in minivans that don't signal at all... ESPECIALLY in turning signals where it is PRETTY DAMN IMPORTANT!
i could care less if they got a ticket for not signalling. but i find it a danger to myself and the passengers that i have with me.
also... i see a lotta police cruisers ignore middle aged white women when they don't signal or not completely stop at a stop sign. where as i see younger azn fellas in civics that get pulled over for such a trivial thing as blue turn signals. i personally don't have any illegal "lighting" (since it seems kinda rice and blue is over played).... but those blue turn signals really don't seem all that distracting. as well... some people have to be quite stupid to mistake those for police cars.
in terms of those Blue LED washer lights.... they are SOOO common... that most people think nothing of it.
I'm not saying that police are hating on the younger drivers with "racey" cars... I'm just saying that they seem a little too oversensitive about lights and exhaust rather than DIRECT safety hazards such as lack of signaling and complete stops..
btw... I ALWAYS signal even for any minor lane change. if i don't follow the order and system... then why would other people? and for ANY stop sign i fully stop... even when there isn't a car in site. |
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by cua0@Dec 21 2002, 12:32 AM
i'm just curious why the authorities seem to disregard peoples blatent lack of signalling? and why is it such a pain in the ass to report an incident that could have led to my death, or injury?
I can't explain the reasons a police officer may have overlooked a specific violation unless I was there but there are a few reasons that come to mind.
As a member of a traffic unit it's my duty to look for traffic violations; however, not all police officers in marked police vehicles are on traffic duties. Some members are out there investigating sexual assaults, armed robberies, home invasions, missing persons, etc. I'm sure it must be hard to understand why I am busy stopping people for burned out headlights etc when you just had your home broken into & your life savings stolen. Whether it be in a small town RCMP detachment or a big city police force all the members have a specific job description they must follow. For me if traffic is light & there's not much happening I'll give the general duties guys / gals a hand but if I'm busy then I can't.
As far as reporting a violation that you witnessed ... because the police officer did not see it occur there must be a statement sent in to the investigator to determine the proper charge / date / time / vehicle description etc. When I receive a complaint about an erratic driver I will try to get there ASAP but not always do I get the person. Therefore I rely on the complainant to provide details so I can lay a charge. You have to understand also that any charge laid is a "Registered Owner" charge (same as photo radar - no demerit points) as it is nearly impossible to prove the RO is infact the driver. You & I both know it probably is but that cannot be proven in Court unless the vehicle is actually stopped & the driver ID'd. Also the complainant must be willing to go to Court should a "Not Guilty" plea be made. Lots of times people are eager to go to Court the day of the incident but 6 months down the road when there's a trial it's a different story. That makes it very frustrating for us because a lot of work went into Court briefs etc only to have the charge withdrawn because the witness no longer wanted to get involved.
I would love to stop every vehicle where a member of the public has made a complaint but unfortunately that isn't always possible. If for instance you call in about an erratic driver travelling south on Hwy #60 towards Enoch / Devon but I'm at a crash site on Hwy #43 near Onoway ... well you get the picture (I hope).
Jimbo ;) |
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| ManHunter |
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Originally posted by ClubEL (AzNBonD)@Dec 21 2002, 12:54 AM
also... i see a lotta police cruisers ignore middle aged white women when they don't signal or not completely stop at a stop sign. where as i see younger azn fellas in civics that get pulled over for such a trivial thing as blue turn signals. i personally don't have any illegal "lighting" (since it seems kinda rice and blue is over played).... but those blue turn signals really don't seem all that distracting. as well... some people have to be quite stupid to mistake those for police cars.
Unfortunately, the statistics are not in your favor. there's a lot more accidents involving yound drivers than soccer moms. So it makes sense to monitor young people more closely than a middle age woman driving a mini-van. Even if you're the best driver in the world. The police can't know that.
But I agree that there are a lot of people on the roads who seem to have found their driver's license at the bottom of a cereal box.
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| REDX2NV |
| i could give a rats ass about signalling, many people such as us never do it and it is just a habit. the only problem i see about people not signalling is that when they cut you off you should at least freakin signal before you do it :rolleyes: |
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| ClubEL (AzNBonD) |
signalling is meant for your safety and safety of others on the road.
"people like us" never signalling... uhh... i don't know about the others on the board... but you sure as hell don't speak for myself. i try to obey the traffic laws as closely as possible.
say for instance; your driving 20km/h over the speed limit (cause people like us always speed) and you need to make a left turn... and OFCOURSE.. you neglect to signal cause it's a habit. an oncoming car full of little 12 year olds keeps on truckin' along... where you feel it is necessary to turn abruptly and recklessly (because people like us always drive with fury and vigor). The opposing car didn't know you were gonna turn.. and boom... you kill all the children....... Little jimmy was a smart young lad with 'o so much potential... yet... he will never surmount to ANYTHING because of a simple case of miscommunication.
you say signalling is useless? then why would auto manufacturers have put those darn things on their cars so many years? maybe they should offer it as an option package eh? like Package B: Air conditioning, cruise control, and turn signal lights
and finally.. you ofcourse are generlizing the members as a whole with a stereotype. no different than how the newspapers stereotype any person under the age of 25 with an import as a street racer. |
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| ManHunter |
People who do not use their turn signals annoy me to no end. And it's the same for people who don't use their turn signal correctly. Many people start flashing after they hit the break to slow down, and just when they start turning. Well, you moron, I don't need your turn signal at this point, I can see you're turning. It's before you suddenly break in front of me that I needed some warning.
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| GTS Jeff |
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Originally posted by REDX2NV@Dec 22 2002, 02:26 AM
i could give a rats ass about signalling, many people such as us never do it and it is just a habit. the only problem i see about people not signalling is that when they cut you off you should at least freakin signal before you do it :rolleyes:
uh i dont know if uve noticed, but everyone HATES that.
its not hard to flick the blinker and its a small courtesy that isnt hard for u to extend to the other ppl that u are sharing hte road with. u dont own the road dammit |
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| RezaREX |
| People who don't signal piss me off almost more than anything else. I always try to signal whenever turning or lane changing even when no ones around just out of habit. Example: Yesterday I'm gettin on the whitemud from fox drive (you know on the ramp the right lane ends halfway up?) well this black civic with tinted windows and a loud ass exhaust comes racing up the right hand side and without warning or signal cuts me off to get in the left lane. Then if that wasn't enough he proceeds to cut in and out obviously going well over 80 wihtout ONE signal the whole time I saw him. He must've changed lanes 6 or 7 times before I lost sight of him. I was praying there would be photo radar or a cop sittin at one of the over passes (they are always there later at night) to catch his ass but sadly I saw none. I sure as hell hope its no one on this board. I'm not one who gets road rage very often but this guy really pissed me off. Looked like a very young white kid with one hand(wrist) at the top of the wheel who saw FnF too many times. |
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| REDX2NV |
| ok i am assuming that at every single turn that you use your turn signal :unsure: ...hmm sure that is it..i signal most of the time at major intersections/school zones, highways etc, but more local places near me i tend not to signal. |
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| RezaREX |
| Call me a compulsive signaler but I do. It really isn't much effort and lets say someone was being stupid and speeding through heavy traffic at least he's not going to crash into me if he knows where I'm going....... well less likely anyway. |
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| ClubEL (AzNBonD) |
signalling at every point at which you signal should be second nature... almost a reflex arc.
safety is safety... and also; you'll never know when a popo is lurking in the shadows to bust you non-signalers |
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| GTS Jeff |
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Originally posted by REDX2NV@Dec 22 2002, 08:17 PM
ok i am assuming that at every single turn that you use your turn signal :unsure: ...hmm sure that is it..i signal most of the time at major intersections/school zones, highways etc, but more local places near me i tend not to signal.
why not?
u sound like the kind of person who wouldnt wear a sealbelt to be cool. |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by RezaREX@Dec 22 2002, 11:11 AM
People who don't signal piss me off almost more than anything else. I always try to signal whenever turning or lane changing even when no ones around just out of habit. Example: Yesterday I'm gettin on the whitemud from fox drive (you know on the ramp the right lane ends halfway up?) well this black civic with tinted windows and a loud ass exhaust comes racing up the right hand side and without warning or signal cuts me off to get in the left lane. Then if that wasn't enough he proceeds to cut in and out obviously going well over 80 wihtout ONE signal the whole time I saw him. He must've changed lanes 6 or 7 times before I lost sight of him. I was praying there would be photo radar or a cop sittin at one of the over passes (they are always there later at night) to catch his ass but sadly I saw none. I sure as hell hope its no one on this board. I'm not one who gets road rage very often but this guy really pissed me off. Looked like a very young white kid with one hand(wrist) at the top of the wheel who saw FnF too many times.
Was it an older honda civic?! I've seen this, there are two, one from st albert and one from somewhere else, anyways they both drive like jackasses... big loud performance decreasing mufflers, really dark tint, both cars black (one with black nasty honda rims, other cdn tire hubcaps); they're both white guys that think they're so cool with that crappy exhaust! THe one guy is huge though, the other isn't. The one not from st albert tried to race me on jasper ave outside of earls the other night, i was like NO, there was so much traffic and he kept tailgating the cars in front of him and everything! Even followed me down 124st just about to yellowhead! |
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| RezaREX |
| Could definately be one of them. The civic was early 90's by the looks of it. Very dark tint and also shitty wheels (or hubs). The driver was not huge if I remember correctly but was definately young. But he was also tailgaiting ppl before he got away which caused one SUV to box him in in the left hand lane where he became quite agitated at not being able to speed anymore :thefinger: (you know, speed right up to the bumper in front of you brake and repeat). The more I think about it the more I think we are talking about the same car. Well I just hope they get off the road one way or another (without hurting someone else of course). |
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| cua0 |
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Originally posted by RezaREX@Dec 23 2002, 04:21 PM
Could definately be one of them. The civic was early 90's by the looks of it. Very dark tint and also shitty wheels (or hubs). The driver was not huge if I remember correctly but was definately young. But he was also tailgaiting ppl before he got away which caused one SUV to box him in in the left hand lane where he became quite agitated at not being able to speed anymore :thefinger: (you know, speed right up to the bumper in front of you brake and repeat). The more I think about it the more I think we are talking about the same car. Well I just hope they get off the road one way or another (without hurting someone else of course).
i've got an excellent solution to that problem.
slam on the brakes. :)
damn deer! woah i mean damn dood, guess you get to buy me a new paint job and bumper, and whatever else you broke. |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
New thing to add to my list of hates in light of the recent cold snap...
Peopl who don't scrape their windows clear of the ICE and SNOW CAKED on the windows...
I was nearly T-Boned by this moron who was actually SPEEDING through a residential area (mine) with NO Forward vision, rearward vision, etc.
Just another pet peeve, perhaps the EPS needs a "Task force" :) |
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| GTS Jeff |
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Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Dec 24 2002, 10:09 AM
New thing to add to my list of hates in light of the recent cold snap...
Peopl who don't scrape their windows clear of the ICE and SNOW CAKED on the windows...
I was nearly T-Boned by this moron who was actually SPEEDING through a residential area (mine) with NO Forward vision, rearward vision, etc.
Just another pet peeve, perhaps the EPS needs a "Task force" :)
heh i had to drive a little like that...i had to get my car to the shop and since the coolants leaking, i had no heat....and i was also in a rush....i used the scraper on the outside and on the inside, but the windows were still fogged up like hell...
i was driving around with my head out the window.... |
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| REDX2NV |
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Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Dec 24 2002, 10:09 AM
New thing to add to my list of hates in light of the recent cold snap...
Peopl who don't scrape their windows clear of the ICE and SNOW CAKED on the windows...
I was nearly T-Boned by this moron who was actually SPEEDING through a residential area (mine) with NO Forward vision, rearward vision, etc.
Just another pet peeve, perhaps the EPS needs a "Task force" :)
AMEN blue turbo egg, i agree with you %100..
I had an accident with another driver rolling through a stop sign as he did not defrost his windows in his car and i hit him at a resanobale rate of speed. thus causing thousands of damage to his car. he made this mumbo jumbo case up saying that i just rear ended him 300ft away from the scence as he spunt out and hit the ditch down the road, too bad he didn't realize i ALWAYS carry a camera on me to bust this cunt. should have seen the look in his parents face when i showed them the pictures...PRICELESS!! :blink: then came the Bling.. |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Good for you!, damn, I should carry a camera in my car too...
Would a digital camera be usable for evidence as well?, or the traditional 35mm be better?... |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Dec 28 2002, 10:20 PM
Good for you!, damn, I should carry a camera in my car too...
Would a digital camera be usable for evidence as well?, or the traditional 35mm be better?...
I don't see why you couldn't use a digicam?! Though you can edit pix more easily, it's still possible to have 35mm pix edited too... I think the big thing is you'd have to prove that you took the photos when you say you did, in either case :) |
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Dec 28 2002, 10:20 PM
Would a digital camera be usable for evidence as well?, or the traditional 35mm be better?...
The big thing we're told about entering photos into evidence ... does it accurately represent the scene as you saw it? Sure you can edit digital photos (& as mentioned scanned 35 mm prints as well) but are you willing to face obstruction / perjury charges to do so. As mentioned previously in some of my posts ... I am not going to throw away my career for a stop sign violation or anything similar.
2003 Hyundai Tiburon - $31778,
2003 KIA Sorento SUV - $38301,
Collision Totalling Off Both Vehicles - $70079,
Sony Mavica MVC-CD1000 Digital Camera - $1165,
Police Officer Able To Use The Camera & Investigate The Collision Properly - PRICELESS
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| BlueTurboEGG |
So, how does one go about taking photographs of the scene that best represents your side of the story?... I mean, I watch CSI Miami and all, but that's it :)
Any tips for photographing a "scene?" |
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| redbaron303 |
CSI vegas is where it's at man!!!!!!!!!
But ya, how do I best photograph the situation from my view... snap too many photos of their car on mine and the other drivers face being furious?!
Or is it just best to take as many photos of the whole scene as possible?!
What about video? LIke digital or traditional video camera produce... say if you're driving in a "convoy" and the guy behind you is filming something and films you get t-boned and it shows the other guy is at fault, is that admicable evidence ? |
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