| When is a race, not really a race? - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| uncle ben |
| Just wondering, when is a race, not really a race. Let me give you an example. I'm at a set of lights, another car is right beside me. There is a long line of traffic behind that person. I want to get in their lane, and when the light turns green I gun it and get as far ahead of them as i can (to safely pass them and not cut them off) but do not break the posted speed limit ,then signal and go in their lane. Is this a race? I know that a race is "any competition of speed" And in a sense, i am compeating with that person to out accelerate them to get in front of them, but allot of the time you dont even get anywhere close to the posted limit before you pass them. Is there any way around this, because if the legal definition of a race is "any competition of speed" than i street race seniors daily on my way to work. Or is this more of a judgement call for the officer? Thanks |
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| redbaron303 |
| I'd hopes it's a judgement call on the officers part... I don't see why'd they'd pull you over and go through the trouble of writting a ticket for that, unless your smoking tires and reving engines...!???! |
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| Nightstalker |
| well if you are pushing your car all the way into the red to get past someone.. its going to look like you are racing.. its just that simple.. its a easy target for someone with a quota |
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker@Dec 30 2002, 01:12 AM
its a easy target for someone with a quota
Oh ... you said the "Q" word!!!!! I know it's hard to believe but we really don't have a quota. If I only bring in 1 ticket in a month but I've been doing other things to try & reduce serious injury collisions & fatalities on our roads my boss really doesn't care. Now if I only brought in 1 ticket & did diddly squat else then you know I'm gonna get my butt kicked. Now a days there's a lot more emphasis on education, impaired driving etc. That of course doesn't mean that I'm going to stop giving out seatbelt, stop sign, red light, speeding tickets etc.
The definition of race as per the HTA is:
124( 1 ) No person shall drive a vehicle on a highway in a race or on a bet or wager.
What this means to me is both parties have to want to compete w/ each other. If you accelerate to pass someone but he speeds up & this goes on for 3-4 blocks I would consider that a race. If he speeds up but you slow down ... no. If he won't let you pass then maybe he should be charged w/:
85 ( 2 ) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, a driver being overtaken by another vehicle
( a ) shall give way to the right in favour of the overtaking vehicle, and
( b ) shall not increase that driver's speed until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.
Jimbo
That "Q" word makes me cringe!!!!! :pat: |
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| Benny |
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Originally posted by albertarc@Dec 30 2002, 01:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Nightstalker@Dec 30 2002, 01:12 AM
its a easy target for someone with a quota
Oh ... you said the "Q" word!!!!! I know it's hard to believe but we really don't have a quota. If I only bring in 1 ticket in a month but I've been doing other things to try & reduce serious injury collisions & fatalities on our roads my boss really doesn't care. Now if I only brought in 1 ticket & did diddly squat else then you know I'm gonna get my butt kicked. Now a days there's a lot more emphasis on education, impaired driving etc. That of course doesn't mean that I'm going to stop giving out seatbelt, stop sign, red light, speeding tickets etc.
The definition of race as per the HTA is:
124( 1 ) No person shall drive a vehicle on a highway in a race or on a bet or wager.
What this means to me is both parties have to want to compete w/ each other. If you accelerate to pass someone but he speeds up & this goes on for 3-4 blocks I would consider that a race. If he speeds up but you slow down ... no. If he won't let you pass then maybe he should be charged w/:
85 ( 2 ) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, a driver being overtaken by another vehicle
( a ) shall give way to the right in favour of the overtaking vehicle, and
( b ) shall not increase that driver's speed until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.
Jimbo
That "Q" word makes me cringe!!!!! :pat:
Yo bud, some of us reside in Calgary where that Quota Bullshit is pretty BAD!!! At the end of the month its nothing but copcars on the road pulling people over for pretty mundane trash.
Go fight crime, not fatten the governements wallet |
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| 83b18b1slow |
Is it really that bad in Calgary Benny?
I've read on forums too, that Vancouver is really bad for that as well.
I remeber that a few documentaries/news broadcasts that they have on T.V.
You always hear the police officiers say that they will always try hit the "racers" hard in the pocket books. You see them trap people in parking lots and hand out tickets. There was even a documentary from Toronto where the police officiers were at the exit of a drag strip giving tickets to people. That seems kind of bad to me.
Jimbo, do you see in the future that police officiers in Alberta would start taking that approach too? As soon as they see a car that has modifications, they stop and ticket. |
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by 83b18b1slow@Dec 30 2002, 11:20 PM
Jimbo, do you see in the future that police officiers in Alberta would start taking that approach too? As soon as they see a car that has modifications, they stop and ticket.
Guys;
I've been to the drag strips & I've seen people come to the Street Legal races w/ trailer plates (means not registered & probaby not insured), genuine slicks (not the ones w/ grooves), & numerous equipment violations etc. As a person who goes to these functions (not as a police officer) I want to make sure that when I'm driving home in my Escort station wagon one of these guys isn't going to do something stupid & run into me. So much for collecting from his insurance (or lack thereof).
What some people can't understand is the laws were written for safety ... not for revenue. Does the province / municipalities profit from these tickets though? Sure they do. It's called incentive ... maybe if I change those bald tires or burnt out headlight I won't have to donate to Klein's coffers. Also maybe my insurance won't have to pay out thousands of dollars when my bald tire blows & I lose control & smash into an Escort station wagon leaving the Budweiser Motorsports Park.
Please think about the rationale behind the laws & not that the police have one thing in mind ... to single you out & harass you for some cheap noise or equipment ticket.
Jimbo :mellow: |
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| Benny |
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Originally posted by albertarc@Dec 31 2002, 12:46 AM
What some people can't understand is the laws were written for safety ... not for revenue. Does the province / municipalities profit from these tickets though? Sure they do. It's called incentive ... maybe if I change those bald tires or burnt out headlight I won't have to donate to Klein's coffers. Also maybe my insurance won't have to pay out thousands of dollars when my bald tire blows & I lose control & smash into an Escort station wagon leaving the Budweiser Motorsports Park.
Please think about the rationale behind the laws & not that the police have one thing in mind ... to single you out & harass you for some cheap noise or equipment ticket.
Jimbo :mellow:
There is a big difference between getting ticketed/towed for having bald tires, slicks, burned out lights and what not, but come on, being targeted for larger than average exhaust openings and clear corners is pretty bad!
Protect and serve man, those are gonna lash out and shoot people... ;) :crying:
I guess all I'm complaining about is how some ops are being dicks on purpose. Definatly no level of standard between all of the law enforcement thats for sure. |
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by Benny@Dec 31 2002, 03:08 AM
I guess all I'm complaining about is how some ops are being dicks on purpose. Definatly no level of standard between all of the law enforcement thats for sure.
I guess I'd be lying if I said this doesn't happen. I'd like to see some of the officers out there receive some education regarding equipment & the right & wrong ways of dealing w/ violators. Likewise I think the public should be more aware of the equipment requirements for their vehicles. Driving is like an ongoing final exam. We have to keep up w/ what's legal so when the police are stopping people we don't end up w/ a failing grade. It's too bad some of the retailers out there are more interested in lining their own pockets than making sure they're selling legal products. Anyone ever try to take back a product they bought that the police said was illegal? I can bet you didn't have very good luck w/ a refund or exchanging the item.
Jimbo :thumbsdown: |
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| SRBURG13 |
Doesn't it all have to do with "standard of care". The large opening that one may have, to me, doesn't seem to violate anyones safety, or cause me to drive any differently than someone else in the same car may.
Hmmm, just a thought.
PEACE |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
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Originally posted by albertarc@Dec 30 2002, 01:39 PM
85 ( 2 ) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, a driver being overtaken by another vehicle
( a ) shall give way to the right in favour of the overtaking vehicle, and
( b ) shall not increase that driver's speed until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.
Jimbo
That "Q" word makes me cringe!!!!! :pat:
Man, you would not belive how many times I encounter this each day driving to work...
Nice to know I sorta have the law on my side... Depends on how the situation unfolds I suppose... |
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| gunmetalalloys |
1. my bro-in-law who is a cop in calgary says they do have quotas to meet.
2. why doesn't the gov't pass a law stating that all equipment sold be street-legal? bulbs say that they are not for highway or street use, but are sold anyways. my license plate cover doesn't say squat about being illegal! i should probably get rid of that, but i can't return it and i keep thinking - how is this my fault?? you can still see my plate clearly and i wasn't warned of this until i stumbled onto the legality of it on my own! |
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| Pro Drag |
Clear corner's themselves aren't illegal. The color of bulb you choose to put in them can make them illegal.
If the product sold has a caution or warning stating it is strictly for offroad use, then I think the retailer's due diligence is done.
I have and will caution customers about potential infraction causing mod's, but the final decision is up to them.
If you notice, almost every power increasing mod on the market with a few exceptions has is stated in not so fine print that it is never to be used on a highway. If you tell the retailer that the part is for your show car trailer queen, what can they do? |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
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Originally posted by gunmetalalloys@Jan 7 2003, 12:38 AM
1. my bro-in-law who is a cop in calgary says they do have quotas to meet.
2. why doesn't the gov't pass a law stating that all equipment sold be street-legal? bulbs say that they are not for highway or street use, but are sold anyways. my license plate cover doesn't say squat about being illegal! i should probably get rid of that, but i can't return it and i keep thinking - how is this my fault?? you can still see my plate clearly and i wasn't warned of this until i stumbled onto the legality of it on my own!
I betcha it comes down to reading the small print.
It's like when I got issued a ticket for $250 for a bent license plate.
The Autobody shop did that for whatever reason instead of doing a good job on the bodykit, them bent the plate inwards slightly. I asked him if that was ok nad he assured me there would be no problems.
Guess again. "Modifyied/Bent License plate" "You can't have that, Photo radar and all you know."
All that grief and the officer who pulled me over didn't even correct it and allowed me to continue on being an "offender"
To top all that, they never even filed the ticket!
I'm sure there is some small clase from the manufacturers of aftermarket parts that state that yes or no, if you have an accident or get tickets as a result of the aftermarket parts, or not, the manufacturer cannot be held responsible.
I guess the only thing to do is ask as many people you "don't know" as well as the people you do know before buying. |
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