| DeathBy240 |
Saturday July 23, 2005
8:30 a.m.
Namao (see map below)
$35 for official NECC members
$45 for anyone else with any other make/model car.
Registration is on a first come, first serve basis, no reservations.
All drivers will receive burgers, hot dogs and pop and we will be setting up some entertainment for when you aren't driving.
Also we will be looking for people to marshall when not driving.
The track will be more open and flowing and will have less hard corners than an autoX course, however we would like to ask that there is no intentional drifting on the track, or in surrounding areas.
Registration will be due Wednesday July 14, and a registration form that you can download will be up shortly. Payment and registration can be made at the NECC dyno day, or either of the next two NECC monthly meetings.
Late registered cars may not be admitted to the base. The event staff can be provided with a complete list so they know who is coming late - but they reserve the right to refuse entry to those who aren't properly pre-registered.
We have the track from 7:30 AM - 5:00 PM. If everyone gets their ass in gear and we tech and do the driver's meeting by 9AM, that means 8 full hours of hotlapping goodness.
Guests are welcome but they must be register with the base before the deadline.
More info here
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| night_font |
| will there be free spectating? |
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| ChromeDragon |
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Originally posted by night_font
will there be free spectating?
So long as you pre-register, yes indeed spectating is free.
Why not race your car though? You should have that thing boosted by then.:bthumbup: |
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| red88.n/a.rx |
| $45 thats kind of harsh but I guess ill most likely come |
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| ChromeDragon |
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Originally posted by red88.n/a.rx
$45 thats kind of harsh but I guess ill most likely come
With food included and a full lapping track with a limited number of participants to guarantee everyone gets lots of laps in, it's really not bad at all. |
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| stealth |
| Is this just an oval/circle, can you pass cars? |
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| DeathBy240 |
| We havent designed the track yet, but there will only be one or two cars on the track at one time, no passing. |
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| PyreXXX |
It'll be a road course track layout - and the speeds should be higher than autocross for sure. :)
Unfortunately the insurance companies require a different kind of insurance for competition events (ones that allow passing), and the base rate goes through the roof.
And yes, the admission price INCLUDES lunch for the driver. Spectators will be able to pick some up inexpensively - we haven't really set the prices yet. |
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| ae1969 |
If its anything like the PCA events count me in.
Not too many cars here will be able to hot lap for too long.
You can hit 160+ on the straight away slaloms and then hitting the brakes too a tight 90 degree sure is fun. :)
......and then hitting the brakes in too a small stop box is an experience. Prepare to see MANY cars locking it up and brakes smoking if you have any serious braking corners.
:bthumbup:
You guys better hope your brakes are up for it. |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| Hawk Carbon-Kevlar and 4 piston calipers anyone? |
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| JustinL |
You guys might even consider using the PCA cone placement too. It's a really nicely sorted out course that keeps the cars away from the hazards on the pavement.
Last event left pretty much anything without big discs at all 4 corners smoking in the stop box. |
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| darkman |
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Originally posted by DeathBy240
We havent designed the track yet, but there will only be one or two cars on the track at one time, no passing.
How come so few cars at once for a lapping day? With a track that size, 20-25 cars usually go at once. |
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| ChromeDragon |
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Originally posted by darkman
How come so few cars at once for a lapping day? With a track that size, 20-25 cars usually go at once.
We have to run it autocross style. No passing allowed. |
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| darkman |
No passing is understandable....but 1 or 2 cars at once??? Its not like the track is smaller than stratotech.
I'm curious cause if it is a true lapping event with multiple cars like held in Namao or Racecity, then I'd love to participate. |
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| Transporter |
where is the registration form?
and spectator form? |
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| PyreXXX |
| Coming shortly....namely when I have some time after work this week. :D |
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| SRBURG13 |
Just to keep you informed:
The registration forms etc will be availible shortly.
The event is a hot lap event, not a "lapping event". It will be setup where you start on a line, accel to break the beam up ahead, run the course (which will be higher speeds etc), and break the beam once again. NO stop boxes. Just one lap, a hot lap, much like on Project Gotham racing. It will test the cars accelerations, corning, and breaking into the corners.
Forgive my poor discriptions lol.
Unfortunately, we just received our timing equipment, and we are working on getting it to read 2 cars on the track at once. If we are unsuccessful, it will be one at a time. |
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| DeathBy240 |
The registration form for the NECC Hotlapping event is complete. Registration may begin.
REGISTRATION DOCUMENT!!!
Only 21 spots left!
Please email registration information to the email addresses given in the document.
Please see other Hotlapping topic for details, otherwise all details are within the document: http://www.n-e-c-c.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1755
If you have any questions or concerns regarding the event, please post here |
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| Murph |
what WCMA affiliated club are you holding this with as for insurance with WCMA...
and from my understanding a "hot lapping" event cannot have timming, if it does it is now listed as a Solo I which means higher insurance rates, people running must have a WCMA Solo I license as well as a 4 point harness. If you are gonna have this listed as a Solo II event the speeds cannot exceed 110kms as i belive that is the speed listed in ASN-FIA rules.
you guys might want to look into this, i am looking for the exact clause right now, no one wants to get in trouble. |
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| PyreXXX |
We aren't affiliated with the WCMA - This is a pure NECC event.
We also have our own insurance, and the requirements for the event were clearly spelled out to the insurance company. Our timing will be done really for driver's evalutation of their own performance, not as a serious competition.
Thanks for watching out for us though! :D |
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| Nightstalker |
| I kinda get the feeling that you guys don't know what a lapping event is.. This sounds more like a time attack with no timing.. which does not really sounds like any fun to me. |
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| PyreXXX |
Well, since there is an absence of real road courses in Edmonton, save Stratotech which is booked totally solid, this is as close to a lapping event as we are likely to get.
Secondly, I'm not sure how everyone missed this, but WE ARE TIMING THE LAPS. We do have timing gear that will be recording lap times, so no worries on that front.
If you'd like to call it a time attack, go right ahead - they're more or less the same thing. |
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| icydude |
Come on people, 45 dollars for a day at the track plus food for the day. Legal fun. Think about it before you pass up the opertunity to have alot of fun.
You pay 25 dollars to go to bud park to drag or drift but how often do you get to go out to a hot lap event?
The event is open to all cars except suv's pick-ups(anything that has a high center of gravity). I hope i will see a whole bunch of you out there lapping it up! |
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| DeathBy240 |
| We are half full! |
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| SRBURG13 |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
I kinda get the feeling that you guys don't know what a lapping event is.. This sounds more like a time attack with no timing.. which does not really sounds like any fun to me.
Like PyreXXX mentioned.... I guess you could call it a time attack, but WITH timing. |
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| ChromeDragon |
I'm registered.
It's filling up here people, don't wait to register or you will miss out. |
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| ae1969 |
Do you have a diagram of the suggested layout of the course?
$45 is reasonable. If its anything like the PCA event I highly recommend. THis beats running the 1/4 mile by FARRRR. It makes your regular auto-x look like you are on go-kart track.
If this course is layed out correctly it is as close to a road course as you could have in this city.
You will realize your cars limitations BIG TIME. :blue:
If you could make it a two lap run like the pca events you will put some serious strain on your brakes.
..........and like this really nice fellow in his BMW realized this last weekend........... YOU can actually catch your brake pads on fire. :D
No power, No handling, No brakes............ All will become apparent.
I have to check with the boss.........but I would love to make it........... I have to be at the lake that weekend.......... :( I will find out tonight.
Edit: No stop box ? Well thats not good. |
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| SilverZ24 |
| Are you guys planning another event like this this summer? I wanted to go, but I'll be in Jasper that weekend. |
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| PyreXXX |
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In a lapping event you do lots of laps in a row.
Understood. We'd love to offer that too, but had doubts that anyone would want to pay the premium required for everyone to get a decent number of laps - to do it you'd need less cars and have to charge more since you can only have so many cars on the track at once.
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Edit: No stop box ? Well thats not good.
This may change. The idea is that your flying lap should end at whatever speed you can reach to cross the line, not be forced into a stop box. Obviously the start/finish line would be pointed AWAY from the pit area...:D
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Are you guys planning another event like this this summer? I wanted to go, but I'll be in Jasper that weekend.
Absolutely! We have August 27th booked as well for a similar event, though the track design will likely be quite different.
Keep the questions coming guys - I'm sure at least ONE of you will make me look like an idiot. Probably too late, actually. :D |
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| Nightstalker |
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Originally posted by PyreXXX
Understood. We'd love to offer that too, but had doubts that anyone would want to pay the premium required for everyone to get a decent number of laps - to do it you'd need less cars and have to charge more since you can only have so many cars on the track at once.
Not to come off like a ass but have you ever driven in a real lapping event? Most of them fill up with in a couple weeks. And run 24+ cars no problem. I also agree with making it a 2 lap at a time event becuase it will allow people to get there cars and tires and brakes up to the correct temps. Running a one lap time trial setup puts a lot of the serious cars at a dis-advantage. |
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| JustinL |
One of your fellow nissan guys comes out to the PCA events in a red spec V. He's able to squeek out just under 110 seconds around the two laps. |
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| PyreXXX |
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Not to come off like a ass but have you ever driven in a real lapping event? Most of them fill up with in a couple weeks. And run 24+ cars no problem. I also agree with making it a 2 lap at a time event becuase it will allow people to get there cars and tires and brakes up to the correct temps. Running a one lap time trial setup puts a lot of the serious cars at a dis-advantage.
1) You don't sound like an ass for voicing your opinion/experiences without being rude.
2) No, I haven't had the chance to be involved with a lapping event - even though I would love to.
3) Don't forget, this is the NECC's FIRST TRACK EVENT. What we think is cool or how something should be doesn't mean we're 100% right - that's something that comes with experience.
Please keep the suggestions coming, we are doing another event at the end of August and we may change the format of it based on your feedback.
Again, the main reason we are going with the one lap at a time theory is to make sure that each driver of the 30 cars has a chance to make at least 8-10 hotlaps. In the future we can look at restricting the numbers slightly and changing the format to a multiple lap per run event.
JustinL - thanks for the track map...that's very handy. :D |
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| icydude |
| so Kris do we get to use that fancy timing device for this. Or is that strictly for UC races? |
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| Nightstalker |
Well, I pan to attend this event eather way, just because I think it will be interesting with the number of novice drivers involved.
For the guys that are doing all the actual work setting this up. You should go and see how the NASCC event is run at the start of August. Thats a true lapping event put on by guys with a lot of experiance. I know the guy running the event, it should be a lot of fun. Most lapping events allow for more then 4 hours of seat time for around $140 - $250 depending on the track and the number of people coming out. |
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| REFLUX |
I've sent my registration email & money.
See you guys next week :)
I'll be running up the rear :D |
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| SRBURG13 |
Like Kris said: This is our first event, and just like any other event, it will be enhanced with experience and time.
We have a rough layout completed, and have yet to make it all pretty looking with whatever software, but it should be a gooder. |
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| PyreXXX |
Damien - yep, we'll be bringing out the ultra fancy (Ie. Walmart Grade) timing gear. :D
Nightstalker - if I get a chance to avoid work I'd love to go check it out...no doubt something could be learned from someone that actually knows what they're doing. :D |
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| Nightstalker |
| Darkman would likley be another good person to talk to about it actually. By the way, if your still reading this thread Rich I am glad that your coming out again. I was worried that your experiance with the brake pads might have taken the fun out of it for you. |
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| icydude |
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Originally posted by PyreXXX
Damien - yep, we'll be bringing out the ultra fancy (Ie. Walmart Grade) timing gear. :D
.....ouch for necc. its not that bad. |
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| Nightstalker |
| I would love to, But sadly my car is out of action at the moment. Just to let you in on something. The number of people that drive Nissan products are pretty lacking at track events.Maybe they are to busy learning to drive sideways and they don't have time to learn how to drive fast. If I had all my parts back from the machine shop and enuff time to go threw the break in period I would be more then willing to come out. Try and make it out for the NASCC event. I should be there. |
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| ehrgeiz |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
I would love to, But sadly my car is out of action at the moment. Just to let you in on something. The number of people that drive Nissan products are pretty lacking at track events.Maybe they are to busy learning to drive sideways and they don't have time to learn how to drive fast. If I had all my parts back from the machine shop and enuff time to go threw the break in period I would be more then willing to come out. Try and make it out for the NASCC event. I should be there.
Different strokes for different folks, don't be so pretentious. |
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| Nightstalker |
| this is true. |
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| DeathBy240 |
| Lets keep this on topic guys. |
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| PyreXXX |
Hey All,
Unfortunately, I have to inform everyone the the July 23 NECC Hotlap event has been cancelled. The insurance company we were dealing with missed a techincality on our paperwork after they had it in their possession for a week, and as a result we will not be able to make the necessary arrangements in time to have the event insured. Namao policy states that uninsured events are not allowed on the base, so regrettably the event must be cancelled.
No one is more disappointed than me at this turn of events - the event was shaping up to be a wonderful one indeed with many interesting cars signed up. That said, the planning process has begun for the August 27th NECC hotlap event, which will still be occuring.
Thanks for your interest in this event - hopefully we'll see you at future NECC meets and events.
We might change the format to the two lap system as well - we'll have to see. :) |
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| icydude |
| necc = crap now........i really had to say it. |
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| Nightstalker |
| Talk to someone that is affiliated with the WCMA you should be able to get blanket insurance threw them no problem. And keep your track date and everything man ;) |
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| PyreXXX |
| Actually, that was the problem - ASN wouldn't grant us a policy unless we were an affiliate club of the WCMA. Unfortunately, they're so busy with GP Edmonton that they won't even be able to see us before the day of the event, meaning that we are totally hooped. :( |
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| Nightstalker |
| That really sucks dude, sorry to hear about that, But its a learning experiance. I am sure you can get something on the go a little later in the year, hopefully before it starts snowing again.. maybe late august ? Try talking to a guy with the User name Matt on civic evolutions. He has a pretty good in with both the WCMA and the NASCC.. |
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| SilverZ24 |
| Sucks you had to cancel, but now maybe I'll be able to make the next one. :D |
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| PyreXXX |
Actually we have August 27th booked off as well, so that one WE WILL definately run.
And yeah, it sucks supreme ass. :( :mad: |
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