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| 4kruzn |
| I am new to this site so I am alittle confused. help me out. there is a lot of talk about the tires and classes, who is is that wants to reinvent/create rules for import racing in alberta? btw i have a 1985 mazda rx7 with a supercharged and nitrous injected 13b. the plan was to run slicks. for starters, the one post i read, most of the voiced opinions are all good and valid in one way or another BUT, I have been involved in car clubs in edmonton for 14years and watched the rules change and evolve. I have a serious consern for the way the tire rule discusion is headed because, "hopfully unintentionally" it seems to be headed in a direction to favor a high power 4wd vehicle. Quoate" slicks improve 1.5-3 seconds to a 1/4mile performace." (from previous thread) this would only be true on an extremely powerful car that was not set up for drag racing. ie. the fast supra we are all talking about. I cannot say for sure but that car is not set up as a drag car, it is a very powerful high perf handling monster. if he were to cut it up and build a true drag race rear suspension and put drag front end in it he could run radials and not slow down his times nearly as much. and in going right along with the quoate about slicks i would be willing to bet that puting slicks on a syclone would not make it faster at all. my personal experiance with an rx3 it ran about 4 tenths quicker with slicks, but they were also shorter that the stock tire. so half of that may have been gear ratio. btw the car ran 13.9 that was 8-9 years ago. what i have learned about rules is that we should look to unbiased nonracers to help in the attempt to be the most fair possible. btw are these rule discussions for the v8less club rules and events or is there a sanctioning body that has been formed to create alberta region import drag race rules? |
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| Markis |
4kruzn, :wavey:
Good discussion, lets not let this one degrade.
V8less is hosting 2 track rentals this year. One on May 18th, the other on Sept 21st, with possibility of another in August depending on interest.
Having said that, I am looking to put out a a rule book for this year's races by the end of March, ealier if necessary. These threads are very useful to me and my organizers as long as they are civilized.
Keep in mind, if you're not IHRA compliant, you might as well start prepping your car for that. |
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| mrprecidia |
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Originally posted by Markis@Jan 9 2003, 06:50 AM
4kruzn, :wavey:
Good discussion, lets not let this one degrade.
V8less is hosting 2 track rentals this year. One on May 18th, the other on Sept 21st, with possibility of another in August depending on interest.
Having said that, I am looking to put out a a rule book for this year's races by the end of March, ealier if necessary. These threads are very useful to me and my organizers as long as they are civilized.
Keep in mind, if you're not IHRA compliant, you might as well start prepping your car for that.
on that note what exactly does it take to meet IHRA standards? |
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| TurboTony |
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on that note what exactly does it take to meet IHRA standards?
Well one thing I can tell you is that they require a roll bar if you run quicker than 11.50. They don't like it when you break that rule. :o
Just your typical kinda stuff if you wanna race.
Helmut
General condition of the vehicle.
Your best bet is to pick up a rule book. I belive they sell them at the track office.
Tony |
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| mrprecidia |
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Originally posted by TurboTony@Jan 9 2003, 07:05 AM
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on that note what exactly does it take to meet IHRA standards?
Well one thing I can tell you is that they require a roll bar if you run quicker than 11.50. They don't like it when you break that rule. :o
Just your typical kinda stuff if you wanna race.
Helmut
General condition of the vehicle.
Your best bet is to pick up a rule book. I belive they sell them at the track office.
Tony
Thanks for the info I asume my car meets these requirments as I have passed tech befor but I was just wondering what there exact requirments were. |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by 4kruzn@Jan 8 2003, 08:30 PM
I have a serious consern for the way the tire rule discusion is headed because, "hopfully unintentionally" it seems to be headed in a direction to favor a high power 4wd vehicle.
http://www.importdrag.com/index_pr091302.shtml
This is what would be ideal but it won't happen so we are just trying to see if we can start some where and eventally get there.
On a different note why does everyone who whines about awd cars NEVER mention the fact we carry a 400-600 pound weight handicap(depending on car brand) , an extra 5-8% drive train loss and have even a smaller engine than a prelude.
By the way my 60' time was 1.98 when I did 117.40 mph in the 1/4 mile.
Hardly a benifet to have awd.
The boys who have perfected the classes down south know AWD isn't the best and RWD kicks ass and can be lighter depending on the car.
At present the fastest Street class car is a Supra running 9.0 @ 160 on Street Radial BFG's.
Sheppard is running 9.35 @ 153 and losing. The point is though they are close both being on street radials.
So you say leave the Supra and trailer queens on wrinkle walls and the rest of us on street tires?
How will that be fair knowing everytime you race you don't even have a chance do to a total class mismatch.
The reason classes and rules were developed by people with alot more experience than us was to make things fair and compititive.
It seems alot of people are saying things without researching them first.
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| v8slayer |
Guys , can you all honestly say we should mix wrinkle wall cars in with street radial cars and know who's going to win before they even race or do you want some true racing and close compitition like they have perfected down south? :rolleyes:
What they have is working why would we want to go BACKWARDS. :angry:
We need two tire classes or a single street tire class. :bigthumbup: |
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| bigpappa |
well my buddy runs a 29.5*11.5* slick and is rear wheel drive i think the classes should be as follows
shop class' all shops in town must submit one car anything goes due to the fact shops can purchase parts at cost :bow:
outlaw class anything goes if you wanna race it go ahead anything goes
true street, anycar that is driven on the street with any amount of power adders
real street,any car that has no power adders bracket class
please tell me what you guys think? :angry: |
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| bigpappa |
| oh ya and all the shop cars should mandatoroly be made to run in outlaw to fill the field,for the crowds? :bow: |
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| bigpappa |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 9 2003, 08:29 AM
At present the fastest Street class car is a Supra running 9.0 @ 160 on Street Radial BFG's.
Sheppard is running 9.35 @ 153 and losing. The point is though they are close both being on street
oh ya and by the way that supra ran a 8.86@158mph thats an old race you quoted |
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| Markis |
| I won't let this one degrade. If you don't have something to say about the topic go to R U Bored. |
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| T51R |
A street tire class is a great idea.
They should give out a better prize but not more than the outlaw class.(personally belief, hehehe)
If their is a street tire class then their should be a class for AWD cars/trucks.
Yess AWD does have a 400-600lbs disadvantage but some cars have 2 pistons more but has 600-800lbs more than a AWD car and is still 2wd, Fwd cars more of a handicap. Some cars are factory turbo some are not, so how can you have the 2 compete if they are suppose to be true street cars.
Engine size doesnt matter(very little) once you have positive pressure cramd in there.
eg. prelude 190hp 2.5l and talon 200hp 2.0l + 10-15psi more than stock 300-400 or even 500hp more, but prelude can only add a a few bolton's + 10-20hp at the most.
I dont think their will ne enough cars for all the different classes, so just make it simple cause i really dont want to wait to 12am-1pm just for the shakedown runs then have the qualifing at 2-3 and only race 2-3 cars in whatever class we are in and head home. |
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| bigpappa |
| what do you think of this a big free for all bracket race and the two finalists race heads up?then everybody is on a free playin field dial ins?oh ya and a shop class? :bow: |
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| v8slayer |
Well I have said my peace with all this rule stuff and if you want to race wrinkle walls and street radials together which will make it non-compititive and and non-crowd drawing boring go a head.
Who wants to pay to see a stack field.
Call me bias but with me just promoting perfectly tuned and working rules from down south that everyone is happy with and useing how could I be.
We all shot ourselves in the foot this time buy not being able to use rules proven and working. After the race schedule is up I'll come forward and let you guys know what you talked yourselves out of.
Sorry it didn't work out for us all. :o |
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| T51R |
the rules down south are very good, I think we should apply them to the v8less BOI events but i dont think their is enough cars.
Run a quick 16 and give out award to the cars of its class but everybody gets to race each other.
Like if you a street calss car and you lose to a outlaw car you still get the 1st place prize (of your class) if you are the quickest in your class and the outlaw guy gets his own prize.sounds kinda weird.
My main concern is that, I and someothers wound like to have more than 5 passes in the event.Last year i only had 3 passes and had to drive 300km to get home.
Might as well stay in calgary cause i can get 10-15 passes in a 5 hour timeframe. |
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| Pro Drag |
Idealy I would like to see the IDRC Rulebook instituted.
It is proven to work well and provide exellent competition.
Failing that,
Outlaw Class/Quick 8: Shop cars, full blown stripped, caged, slicked trailer queens. Not legal on the street. No holds barred, any motor in any chassis, providing chassis is still a sport compact and motor is not of more than 6 cylinders.
Slick Class: Street legal cars in street trim, ie.at least two front seats/carpet/dashboard/glass windows. Wrinkle wall tires allowed. Unlimited power adders. Motor and Chassis must be of same manufacturer.
Street Class: Street trim street car,ie.at least two front seats, carpet/dashboard/glass windows. Running on non-wrinkle wall radial tires.Unlimited power adders. Motor and Chassis must be of same manufacturer.
True Street: Same as Street Class, however no additional power adders other than factory equipped. ie. Thunderbird super coupe's allowed because they were factory equipped with a turbo. Motor and Chassis must be of same manufacturer.
Edit: All cars in all classes must pass IHRA tech inspection. |
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| Inzane |
A lot of us had ~ 12 passes each at the Sept. SCCC event. To me, that was the biggest draw of that event.
More than anything else, prices, classes, rules, etc. Tell me the last time you got more than 5 or 6 runs even at your typical "Street Legals" event?
SCCC rocked!! :bigthumbup: |
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| talont |
I go away for a few months and all hell breaks loose :D
I think the tire issue is both important and valid. Events are becoming bigger and better thanks to local organizers and sponsors volunteering their time and money. The import scene in Edmonton is growing extremely fast. We are seeing more cars at the events going faster and if we want things to continue to grow and become organized then I think a level playing field should be put in place regarding the "Tire issue".
I know there are a lot of serious competitors who have spent allot of time and money on there cars here in Edmonton and even more, who with limited time and money are just as serious but would also love to have more competitors come out. This would defiantly include people from across Canada and even our friends down south. (More competitors mean more evenly matched classes and more money). This will never happen unless rules are in place.
The idea of "anything goes" was great when things were small but I think we have outgrown this and it is time to focus on making things better for everyone.
I thought the way BOI was done was fair and competitive with the exception of slicks. They should have their own class period. Everything else stays the same.
That way we have:
SLICKS - open to all 4&6 cylinder, 2&3 Rotary. Unlimited Modifications. Slicks.
OUTLAW - open to all 4&6 cylinder, 2&3 Rotary. Unlimited Modifications. Radial
COMP - open to all 4&6 cylinder, 2&3 Rotary, Limited modifications. one power adder. Radials
STOCK - open to 6cyl. 4cyl with factory turbo/supercharger. Boost controller and intercoolers. Radials
BRACKET - Dial in and have fun.
There needs to be classes for EVERYONE so that no one is left out and that defiantly includes slicks.
Thanks Roger for having the guts to stick your neck out and address this topic. :bigthumbup: |
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| Loose |
It seems to me there are two groups of people complaining about "slicks":
a) AWD car owners
B) People with slow cars
Did you guys forget you are at a RACE TRACK? Why not allow people to run everyone with RACE TIRES.
Another friendly reminder to those asking for the IDRC rules. Street legal slicks, ie. MT ET Streets are allowed in the class!!! So don't be asking for radials only, and IDRC rules, cause that's contradictory.
Talon T: I don't remember you having problems roasting Yapp's Civic on slicks. Can you imagine if he was on radials? That'd suck for him.
No one was complaining when the Blue RX-7 was deep in the 12's, but now that there is a Supra about 1 second faster than everyone else, everyone is whining!
I'll tell you guys a little secret: When the Supra ran the low 11, his 60ft was a high 1.6 (disclaimer: my memory isn't perfect) To the fast AWD guys, can you tell us what your best 60ft's where?
BTW I don't mean to be an assh*le. Just stirring the pot and giving my 2 cents. |
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| bigpappa |
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Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Jan 9 2003, 12:39 PM
Idealy I would like to see the IDRC Rulebook instituted.
It is proven to work well and provide exellent competition.
Failing that,
Outlaw Class/Quick 8: Shop cars, full blown stripped, caged, slicked trailer queens. Not legal on the street. No holds barred, any motor in any chassis, providing chassis is still a sport compact and motor is not of more than 6 cylinders.
Slick Class: Street legal cars in street trim, ie.at least two front seats/carpet/dashboard/glass windows. Wrinkle wall tires allowed. Unlimited power adders. Motor and Chassis must be of same manufacturer.
Street Class: Street trim street car,ie.at least two front seats, carpet/dashboard/glass windows. Running on non-wrinkle wall radial tires.Unlimited power adders. Motor and Chassis must be of same manufacturer.
True Street: Same as Street Class, however no additional power adders other than factory equipped. ie. Thunderbird super coupe's allowed because they were factory equipped with a turbo. Motor and Chassis must be of same manufacturer.
Edit: All cars in all classes must pass IHRA tech inspection.
i totally agree with pearly white on this rules? |
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| T51R |
I knew MT ET were alowed in the street class cause i think ari allon(rx7.com) was running with those.
MT ET STREET are D.O.T. approved tire's that is legal for use on public street(but not recommend) for the last time.
anyways I can wait to hear about the new rules, lots of good ideas and some not so good.
Loose: on that run(11.18) i did a 1.70 60ft and that was on low boost 23psi, I cant wait to see what she will do when i get 30psi with the new .......
We'll just keep it a secret till spring.
ALso I would like to request to have 1 full hour for hte shakedown passes cause 2 passes are just not enough especially if you got only 1-3 cars in your class. |
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| Loose |
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Originally posted by T51R@Jan 10 2003, 08:58 AM
Loose: on that run(11.18) i did a 1.70 60ft and that was on low boost 23psi, I cant wait to see what she will do when i get 30psi with the new .......
We'll just keep it a secret till spring.
Edited......... |
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| T51R |
BASTARD,
keep the shit on the low pro |
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| bigpappa |
hey what about the quick time pro from hossier they are dot approved?well it sounds like t51r is running some good shiiit,right on.hey does your tranny run a brake?haha that cool i run a c-4 with a brake and 5500 stall with a manual valve body,hey t51r maybe we will get are own class,
i agree with t51r i want an hour of shakedown;s to |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Jan 10 2003, 10:37 AM
hey what about the quick time pro from hossier they are dot approved?
Direct from the Hoosier website:
NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE: All Hoosier Racing Tires including DOT labeled Hoosier Racing Tires are designed for racing purposes only on specified racing surfaces and are not to be operated on public roadways. DOT labeled Hoosier Racing Tires meet Department Of Transportation requirements for marking and performance only and are NOT INTENDED FOR HIGHWAY USE. It is unsafe to operate any Hoosier Racing Tire including DOT tires on public roads. The prohibited use of Hoosier Racing Tires on public roadways may result in loss of traction, unexpected loss of vehicle control, or sudden loss of tire pressure, resulting in a vehicle crash and possible injury or death.
It would be perfect for the slick class, but it is not a radial and thus would not be legal in any 'Street' class. |
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| bigpappa |
| ya i ;am running there slicks and they do have a dot slick my buddy kevin ran them his vega ?but who cares i ain't running them slicks for me :bigthumbup: |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by T51R@Jan 10 2003, 09:35 AM
BASTARD,
keep the shit on the low pro
you mean your AEM.
Have fun tuning it. |
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| v8slayer |
Well you guys better decide what you want to run because the popular vote by far is a skick only class or no slicks.
I doubt the organizers will go against the vote and common sence when its the populas that made the votes paying at the gates.
Anyways if you win a trophy in a class and your the only one on slicks what kind of bragging rights do you really have. ZIPPO
The same car you beat at the track will kick your ass on the street in most cases.
Wouldn't you feel better knowing if you can beat him on equal terms?
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| bigpappa |
| in my defense i will be running an IHRA aproved street legal tire since they are are sanctioning body.and i will see you on the track v-8 killer and please bring your side kick the zippies civic to didn't they sponsor you? well see all you guys out there good luck. :D |
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| wanksta |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 01:18 PM
Anyways if you win a trophy in a class and your the only one on slicks what kind of bragging rights do you really have. ZIPPO
The same car you beat at the track will kick your ass on the street in most cases.
Wouldn't you feel better knowing if you can beat him on equal terms?
Well why don't you run slicks then?
I think you have you're serving your own agenda in all of this.
It seems like you're a bit worried about getting beat and trying to weed out the cars threatening your chances at winning. Not trying to stir shit up, but thats just the way it seems to me. |
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| T51R |
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QUOTE (T51R @ Jan 10 2003, 09:35 AM)
BASTARD,
keep the shit on the low pro
you mean your AEM.
Have fun tuning it.
How the hell do you do the quote thing?
anyways no its not the AEM, i might get it depending if i sell a few old parts.Tuning is pretty easy I already have lots of experience with Accel DFI, Tec2 and some of SDS, hopefully AEM is about the same(finger crossed)
So back to my first question, IDRC says MT ET streets are allowed in the street class, so are they allowed in v8less street class? or are you guys going to chance the rules to suit your needs?
just want to know and lay this debate to rest.
I just hope that whatever the outcome, their will be more cars in each class and not 1-3 cars per class. |
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| bigpappa |
| i totally agree with wanksta :bow: |
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| v8slayer |
Not once have I made my own rules.
I have only refered to what is already sanctioned and being used where people with more experience than us race. |
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| T51R |
HEY FOCUS A LITTLE MORE ON THE "POST A HOTTIE SECTION"
thanks |
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| v8slayer |
I still don't see why you guys are afraid of a class that all of you are on the same tire.
How I'm I weeding you out if I'm not even in your class??????????????
Do you need me in your class ?
There are enough of you to have a class on your wrinkle walls without me.
Why should I spend money on Borbets and MT's just to make you happy.
I'm not asking you to spend any money , just use what you want.
Wrinkle walls or no wrinkle walls I really don't care what class you want to be in as long as everyone runs the same type of tire in that perticular class. |
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| bigpappa |
who cares what they do i think i 'am gonna park my shit and not race it i think?
here i think we should not spend money on tires but trophies for v-8killer so he can rule the land,hahah
the fun in racing is going away quicker then we think?what ever happened to just racing winner wins and the loser loses?
how about this the people that raced last year have the say not people that have not been out?sounds fair to me? :thefinger: |
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| v8slayer |
Let me be blunt.
Tell me why you need to have your compititors on a lesser tire than you rather than your own class??????????????????????
Bet someone degrades this because no one will give an honest answer.
just watch :bigthumbup: |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Jan 10 2003, 02:46 PM
who cares what they do i think i 'am gonna park my shit and not race it i think?
here i think we should not spend money on tires but trophies for v-8killer so he can rule the land,hahah
the fun in racing is going away quicker then we think?what ever happened to just racing winner wins and the loser loses?
how about this the people that raced last year have the say not people that have not been out?sounds fair to me? :thefinger:
Leno you can't park something that won't even run! :D |
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| bigpappa |
| it should go by engine mods like it did three years ago haha this is fun to post and here the cry babyhahhahhhahahah :angry: |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Jan 10 2003, 02:52 PM
it should go by engine mods like it did three years ago haha this is fun to post and here the cry babyhahhahhhahahah :angry:
You mean the type of crying you did when you got chased and beat at the track for ripping that guy off. |
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| bigpappa |
coming from your mouth that doesn't hurt,your scared your a baby and like i said i will see you at the track,are you scared, i sure am not ,you race in my class then talk.well are you gonna race in my class uhhh answer probably is no because your scared ,i raced last year and i did not care because i love racing thats it,sure my car is a beater but it is mine and i don't care like i said i love racing, not complaining?at least i was man enough to race because like i said before?the question is are you man enough??maybe if you agree to race in my class t51r will come up?
oh ya my car will be out,you should ask around before you stick your own foot in your ass.
i said before i love to race so let's do it? :thefinger: |
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| bigpappa |
| oh that hurt. haahhahaahahahahahahhahahha stop please man i forgot how you act like child hahahah :P |
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| bigpappa |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 02:57 PM
You mean the type of crying you did when you got chased and beat at the track for ripping that guy off.
finally you admitted it now everyone who knows what happened can see it was the owner andrew from zippies that caused that.thanks for admitting it. :thefinger: |
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| bigpappa |
| any ways this is about rules not personal agends so i guess lets get back on topic? :P |
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| T51R |
OK lets get something straight(little less drama please)
You guys want to follow the rules of IDRC, so are you going to follow it to the teeth? of just some of the rules?
Markis: we need some answers?
reminder MT ET are approved to be used in the steet tire class(but they are a wrinkle wall tire) or are you going to change their rules to meet your rules?
Some of my friends in calgary would like to know so they can prepare their cars for any future events in etown. |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by T51R@Jan 10 2003, 03:14 PM
reminder MT ET are approved to be used in the steet tire class(but they are a wrinkle wall tire)
Please show us the quote where it says wrinkle walls allowed.
I don't mean non radial , I mean where it says wrinkle wall is allowed.
There are non-radial non wrinkle wall tires.
They are called bias ply racing tires but they are not wrinkle walls. |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 02:46 PM
Let me be blunt.
Tell me why you need to have your compititors on a lesser tire than you rather than your own class??????????????????????
Bet someone degrades this because no one will give an honest answer.
just watch :bigthumbup:
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| SilverZ24 |
Aside from all the arguing, I just want to say I'm glad you guys are trying to get some standard rules and classes set up. I would really like to see the same rules and classes used at both JB's and V8less competitions this summer and in future summers.
At least this way it helps those of us slowly building race cars to build them for a particular class and to know in advance what class we will be racing in depending on what we do to our cars.
I plan on trying drag radials out this summer to see what they do for my car, but overall I'm just looking forward to a fun racing season! :D |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by SilverZ24@Jan 10 2003, 04:50 PM
Aside from all the arguing, I just want to say I'm glad you guys are trying to get some standard rules and classes set up. I would really like to see the same rules and classes used at both JB's and V8less competitions this summer and in future summers.
At least this way it helps those of us slowly building race cars to build them for a particular class and to know in advance what class we will be racing in depending on what we do to our cars.
I plan on trying drag radials out this summer to see what they do for my car, but overall I'm just looking forward to a fun racing season! :D
My point exactly. Having a consistent set of rules is all I and I think v8slayer are trying to accomplish. What's the point of building a racecar for a certain class if that class only exists for one year?
If we can get the IDRC rulebook instituted, it will take away all the bickering and there will be a class for everybody to run in. There will be no worrying about the legality of your setup from year to year.
The IDRC rulebook is all I have wanted from the begining because it is proven to provide excellent competition, which is what big sponsors look for. If the promotor's of the various events want to reinvent the wheel every season and have low key, low payout events that's fine. I personally think the Albeta Sport Compact scene deserve's more.
With that said, I wish everybody good luck this season at the track. :bigthumbup: |
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| Loose |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by T51R@Jan 10 2003, 03:14 PM
reminder MT ET are approved to be used in the steet tire class(but they are a wrinkle wall tire)
Please show us the quote where it says wrinkle walls allowed.
I don't mean non radial , I mean where it says wrinkle wall is allowed.
There are non-radial non wrinkle wall tires.
They are called bias ply racing tires but they are not wrinkle walls.
As per 2002 rules:
All street class vehicles must use D.O.T tires. Radial tires will not incur a n additional weight penalty. Radial tires will not incur an additional weight penalty. Non-radial tires will not incur an additional weight penalty. Non-radial D.O.T tires will incur an additional 150-pound weight penalty. Metric-specified tires may not exceed a section designation of 325. All other tires must measure less than 10.5-inces in tread width, not in section width. Maximum tire height is 28 inches. No slicks allowed.
http://importdrag.com/IDRC2002_Rulebook.pdf |
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| wanksta |
quote:
Originally posted by T51R@Jan 10 2003, 03:14 PM
You guys want to follow the rules of IDRC, so are you going to follow it to the teeth? of just some of the rules?
reminder MT ET are approved to be used in the steet tire class(but they are a wrinkle wall tire) or are you going to change their rules to meet your rules?
My sentiments, exactly. |
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| Loose |
I change my mind about a quick 16 now. Silly me.
The IDRC classes do make sense... Street for the guys who care about racing street cars, but more importantly it has the quick and N/A classes.
In Quick the FWD guys can go at it. Unfortunately some street cars may be paired up with the Zippy's lexan wheelie bar car, but hey! Calgary has a couple FWD street cars faster than that thing went. The all motor guys can go at it too, without having to worry about power adder cars. I've always felt bad for the FWD guys and all motor guys. Here is there chance to shine!
So the classes would be:
Quick, Street, N/A, and of course outlaw and pro... if any radical shit came out.
I agree with you guys now pushing for IDRC rules. Unfortunately, AFAIK, there is not yet a published 2003 rule book.
Such a change of heart, but at least I can admit my errors!
I wanna tech! That'd be so much fun! |
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quote:
Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Jan 9 2003, 12:39 PM
Idealy I would like to see the IDRC Rulebook instituted.
It is proven to work well and provide exellent competition.
Failing that,
Outlaw Class/Quick 8: Shop cars, full blown stripped, caged, slicked trailer queens. Not legal on the street. No holds barred, any motor in any chassis, providing chassis is still a sport compact and motor is not of more than 6 cylinders.
Slick Class: Street legal cars in street trim, ie.at least two front seats/carpet/dashboard/glass windows. Wrinkle wall tires allowed. Unlimited power adders. Motor and Chassis must be of same manufacturer.
Street Class: Street trim street car,ie.at least two front seats, carpet/dashboard/glass windows. Running on non-wrinkle wall radial tires.Unlimited power adders. Motor and Chassis must be of same manufacturer.
True Street: Same as Street Class, however no additional power adders other than factory equipped. ie. Thunderbird super coupe's allowed because they were factory equipped with a turbo. Motor and Chassis must be of same manufacturer.
Edit: All cars in all classes must pass IHRA tech inspection.
There is one major failing point to your class structure. There is almost no separation between cars that are in the high 14's racing against low 12's cars. You have grouped what BOI had as two classes in to one. Comp and outlaw into the new street class and separated the faster elite cars into two new classes.
70% of the cars out there would qualify for the street class (low 12 to high 14 sec cars). Leaving 30% divided up amongst slicks, outlaw, and True Street. There is no middle ground separation.
break up the street class into two groups and the competition will be much more evenly distributed. One solution is to have a pro street class and a super street class. that would encourage more people to come out and compete against cars that are closer in performance to what they have. |
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| IH8V8S |
| -_- As much as I love how this topic has developed...... or turned into an argument rather! My personal opinion is to run it heads up or if you don't feel it's fair; run bracket. I think it's pretty simple. On a side note, when you have a car with 700hp putting power to the ground with 2 wheels and a 600hp car putting power down to 4 wheels on the same tire who has the advantage Roger? I know it's a simplified point of view but........ Either way, my car is slow, old, and all motor till I can afford to bottle feed it so I'm not too worried about it. |
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| IH8V8S |
quote:
Idealy I would like to see the IDRC Rulebook instituted.
It is proven to work well and provide exellent competition.
Failing that,
Outlaw Class/Quick 8: Shop cars, full blown stripped, caged, slicked trailer queens. Not legal on the street. No holds barred, any motor in any chassis, providing chassis is still a sport compact and motor is not of more than 6 cylinders.
Slick Class: Street legal cars in street trim, ie.at least two front seats/carpet/dashboard/glass windows. Wrinkle wall tires allowed. Unlimited power adders. Motor and Chassis must be of same manufacturer.
Street Class: Street trim street car,ie.at least two front seats, carpet/dashboard/glass windows. Running on non-wrinkle wall radial tires.Unlimited power adders. Motor and Chassis must be of same manufacturer.
True Street: Same as Street Class, however no additional power adders other than factory equipped. ie. Thunderbird super coupe's allowed because they were factory equipped with a turbo. Motor and Chassis must be of same manufacturer.
Edit: All cars in all classes must pass IHRA tech inspection.
Doesn't there seem to be kind of a step between the "True Street" and the "street class"? Just seems like there's no middle ground. |
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| Markis |
Hi guys,
Thank you for your valuable input. Let me first say that you've all made some very good arguements, and only a bit of dirty laundry was brought out. ;)
Here is how we ran the 2002 Sport Compact Car Challenge Cup
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Racing
9:00 AM Gates Open, Tech Begins
10:00 AM Registration for teams
10:00 AM Racing Time trials begin (individual and team competitors)
2:00 PM Elimination's for Solo Awards (only fastest 24 cars eligible)
3:30 PM More time Trials
5:00 PM Awards
Time Trials:
- All competitors must complete at least one run during Time Trials. Competitors will earn points based on drag racing ET's for scoring.
- During Time Trials, competitors will "hotlap" (in other words, race, line up, race, line up... as often as you like until the close of Time Trials. Some competitors will be satisfied with one run, some will want as many as time allows).
- Arrive early to maximize the number of runs you get.
Eliminations:
- Eliminations are open to all racers (teams and individuals).
- Your Time Trial ET will determine whether you can compete in the eliminations or not.
- For those who make it into Eliminations, you will be seeded in your group based on your Time Trial ET. The fastest 24 cars will be put into 3 groups, with 8 cars in each group. Group A will be the fastest 8, Group B will be the next fastest 8, and Group C will contain the remaining 8.
- Those who do not make it into Eliminations will have to wait until the Elimination runs are over to continue racing.
I'll let you digest that first. I will have detailed SCCC Competition rules soon. |
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| 4kruzn |
after following this line of disscussion and doing a little reseach on tires this is what i have come up with. a couple of major debates are on what tires are legal in street class in the idrc and any dot tire is. then i checked out the tire
stores for info on dot drag tires, and i quoate form MT and hoosier and MH racemasters... these are true wrinkle wall DOT aproved drag tires which are not recomended for normal Highway use. what that means is that they are all street legal but will not be good for the street. which means that any of them would be legal for use in street class which is not what our talon owning friends were trying to have us believe. Mark i wuold strongly recomend that you take a hard look at these rules and try to implement them because making up our own would be..........hell to regulate. thanks |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by IH8V8S@Jan 10 2003, 11:54 PM
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Street Class: Street trim street car,ie.at least two front seats, carpet/dashboard/glass windows. Running on non-wrinkle wall radial tires.Unlimited power adders. Motor and Chassis must be of same manufacturer.
True Street: Same as Street Class, however no additional power adders other than factory equipped. ie. Thunderbird super coupe's allowed because they were factory equipped with a turbo. Motor and Chassis must be of same manufacturer.
Edit: All cars in all classes must pass IHRA tech inspection.
Doesn't there seem to be kind of a step between the "True Street" and the "street class"? Just seems like there's no middle ground.
Sure there is a step. True street is designed to draw fresh participation in to the sport. This is the class to bring mom's Tercel to.
Street Class is designed as the next step up. Mom's Tercel on Nitrous. |
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| bigpappa |
well this is getting to political for me i love racing,five years ago we where all on the street;stupid and dangerous you must all agree;;now we are all bickering over rules and tires trying to get the edge?lets say we all get grouped together and the strongest will survive,haha the surviver of the imports who will get sent off the island??us guys that have spent the money and are beyond financial limits of a 18yr old street kid should grow up and all go in one class for the fans?you know who i'am talkin about i look at it like we are here for a purpose,to show the scene and newcomers that it is fun,entertaining and fast?now look at us we are fighting over rules come on!if everybody would just help each other out maybe we can set some canadian records and make the east coast bow down to the western juggernaut we are losin what we used to do for fun into a political rivallery!this is why we will never get ahead and always be behind the muscle car guys,they think we are stupid and childish well we can;t prove them wrong i mean look at us?that is why we have a bad name out there,where label because the few who have been around awhile,bicker fight argue air dirty laundry well i call a truce and a meeting of the;;fathers of import racing;;lets all get together for coffee and set some rules?i put all my bad feels aside to set rules for people coming in to the sport if you wanna quit the fighting lets have a meeting and settle the debate?
message me if you agree? thanx :bow: |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by IH8V8S@Jan 10 2003, 10:51 PM
On a side note, when you have a car with 700hp putting power to the ground with 2 wheels and a 600hp car putting power down to 4 wheels on the same tire who has the advantage Roger?
On a different note why does everyone who whines about awd cars NEVER mention the fact we carry a 400-600 pound weight handicap(depending on car brand) , an extra 5-8% drive train loss and have even a smaller engine than a prelude.
By the way my 60' time was 1.98 when I did 117.40 mph in the 1/4 mile.
Hardly a benifet to have awd.
The boys who have perfected the classes down south know AWD isn't the best and RWD kicks ass and can be lighter depending on the car.
At present the fastest Street class car is a Supra running 9.0 @ 160 on Street Radial BFG's.
Sheppard is running 9.35 @ 153 and losing. The point is though they are close both being on street radials.
Clearly you really are not familiar with what is going on. |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 03:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 02:46 PM
Let me be blunt.
Tell me why you need to have your compititors on a lesser tire than you rather than your own class??????????????????????
Bet someone degrades this because no one will give an honest answer.
just watch :bigthumbup:
NO ANSWER YET
No answer yet. |
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| IH8V8S |
| Well Roger, if you're running 1.9 60' times you're doing something wrong! The guy with the blue Subaru wagon ran a 1.6 60' time on a 13.0 run. Hmmmmmmm, seems advantages? And you can try to tell me all you want that you're that much heavier than the Supra but you aren't that much heavier if heavier at all! Besides all this, the rulebook states that DOT approved wrinkle walls are approved for competition in the street tires class!!! I have my doubts that people are agreeing with your concept Roger.... Sorry :P |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by T51R@Jan 10 2003, 03:14 PM
reminder MT ET are approved to be used in the steet tire class(but they are a wrinkle wall tire)
Please show us the quote where it says wrinkle walls allowed.
I don't mean non radial , I mean where it says wrinkle wall is allowed.
There are non-radial non wrinkle wall tires.
They are called bias ply racing tires but they are not wrinkle walls.
Give me a clear cut answer not this around the edge stuff.
I don't see anywhere where the rules say wrinkle walls allowed.
When they say non radials they mean Bias Ply which are better than radials for draging but not as good as non radial wrinkle walls.
Don't confuse the newbies with your miss info.
There are 3 types of popular drag tire starting with the best at the top:
-Bias Ply wrinkle wall
-Bias Ply non wrinkle wall
-Radial
"The wrinkle wall is not allowed in street class"from Titan Motor sports in the USA , the people with the 9.00 sec street radial Supra that are betting J.S. Talon on Radial Toyo's. |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by IH8V8S@Jan 11 2003, 02:03 PM
Well Roger, if you're running 1.9 60' times you're doing something wrong! The guy with the blue Subaru wagon ran a 1.6 60' time on a 13.0 run. Hmmmmmmm, seems advantages? And you can try to tell me all you want that you're that much heavier than the Supra but you aren't that much heavier if heavier at all! Besides all this, the rulebook states that DOT approved wrinkle walls are approved for competition in the street tires class!!! I have my doubts that people are agreeing with your concept Roger.... Sorry :P
Give me a break how does my car weigh less than Mike's supra.
If you would bother reading befoe posting you will see he said his car will be about 3000 if not 2800 pounds.
Since you no my car like a hole in the ground who are you to make comments like that.
By the way why is your IP the same as Lino's , what a joke.
Oh ya here is how much the front wheels help with 600 HP.
http://www.ddynopower.com/pics/93launch2.jpg
Again research before you comment.
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| bigpappa |
| first of all it;s me as bigpappa roger i have nothin to hide? |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by bigpappa@Jan 11 2003, 02:21 PM
first of all it;s me as bigpappa roger i have nothin to hide?
So why were you telling everyone you were driving a green talon and all that other stuff? |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 11 2003, 01:58 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 03:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 02:46 PM
Let me be blunt.
Tell me why you need to have your compititors on a lesser tire than you rather than your own class??????????????????????
Bet someone degrades this because no one will give an honest answer.
just watch :bigthumbup:
NO ANSWER YET
No answer yet.
No answer yet! |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by 4kruzn@Jan 11 2003, 06:10 AM
after following this line of disscussion and doing a little reseach on tires this is what i have come up with. _a couple of major debates are on what tires are legal in street class in the idrc and any dot tire is. _then i checked out the tire
stores for info on dot drag tires, and i quoate form MT and hoosier and MH racemasters... _these are true wrinkle wall DOT aproved drag tires which are not recomended for normal Highway use. _what that means is that they are all street legal _but will not be good for the street. which means that any of them would be legal for use in street class which is not what our talon owning friends were trying to have us believe. _Mark i wuold strongly recomend that you take a hard look at these rules and try to implement them because making up our own would be..........hell to regulate. _thanks
As lose said in the pdf he posted "no slicks allowed even if they are DOT"
Now non radial means non radial.
It does not mean non radial is wrinkle wall.
Don't be nieve and think non radial means wrinkle wall as it doesn't.
If it did all our fathers were using only wrinkle walls to drive back and forth to work on. LOLOL :rolleyes:
If you look through the HP tire mani's you will find non radial non wrinkle wall tires available that hook up better than radials but less than wrinkle walls.
http://www.hoosiertirecanada.com/racingtir...rtscar/bias.htm
http://www.teesoffroad.com/muscle_drag.htm
http://www.teesoffroad.com/street.htm (note: both these are bias non radials but only the sportsman pro is wrinkle wall the sportsman is not.
See you can get non wrinkle wall bias tires.
When IDRC means non radials allowed with a weight penalty they mean bias racing tires that are not wrinkle walls or slicks.
You have plenty to choose from.
Here is a good bias ply non radial non slick non wrinkle wall DOT tire for you skeptics. http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/street.html
http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/street_...profile_ss.html
However if I was you I would just get some big sticky BFG drag radials that the 9 second supra's are using in the street class if you don't want to be in a slick class with peers on equal rubber.
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 11 2003, 03:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 11 2003, 01:58 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 03:32 PM
[quote]Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 02:46 PM
[b] Let me be blunt.
Tell me why you need to have your compititors on a lesser tire than you rather than your own class??????????????????????
Bet someone degrades this because no one will give an honest answer.
just watch :bigthumbup:
NO ANSWER YET
No answer yet.
No answer yet! [/b][/quote]
Does nobody have an answer? I think it is a valid question. :bigthumbup: |
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| Loose |
quote:
Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Jan 12 2003, 12:08 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 11 2003, 03:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 11 2003, 01:58 PM
[quote]Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 03:32 PM
[b] [quote]Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 02:46 PM
[b] Let me be blunt.
Tell me why you need to have your compititors on a lesser tire than you rather than your own class??????????????????????
Bet someone degrades this because no one will give an honest answer.
just watch :bigthumbup:
NO ANSWER YET
No answer yet.
No answer yet! [/b][/quote]
Does nobody have an answer? I think it is a valid question. :bigthumbup: [/b][/quote]
My honest answer:
To equalize the competition between 2 and awd cars.
I don't think anyone answered before, because nobody cared to. |
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| Loose |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 11 2003, 02:06 PM
When they say non radials they mean Bias Ply which are better than radials for draging but not as good as non radial wrinkle walls.
Don't confuse the newbies with your miss info.
There are 3 types of popular drag tire starting with the best at the top:
-Bias Ply wrinkle wall
-Bias Ply non wrinkle wall
-Radial
"The wrinkle wall is not allowed in street class"from Titan Motor sports in the USA , the people with the 9.00 sec street radial Supra that are betting J.S. Talon on Radial Toyo's.
Find me somewhere in that PDF where it says that wrinkle wall tires are not allowed in the street class. Until then, I believe the ET street is a legal tire.
The PDF only differentiated between bias ply, radial, DOT, and non DOT tires as far as I know. |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by Loose@Jan 12 2003, 12:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 11 2003, 02:06 PM
When they say non radials they mean Bias Ply which are better than radials for draging but not as good as non radial wrinkle walls.
Don't confuse the newbies with your miss info.
There are 3 types of popular drag tire starting with the best at the top:
-Bias Ply wrinkle wall
-Bias Ply non wrinkle wall
-Radial
"The wrinkle wall is not allowed in street class"from Titan Motor sports in the USA , the people with the 9.00 sec street radial Supra that are betting J.S. Talon on Radial Toyo's.
Find me somewhere in that PDF where it says that wrinkle wall tires are not allowed in the street class. Until then, I believe the ET street is a legal tire.
The PDF only differentiated between bias ply, radial, DOT, and non DOT tires as far as I know.
Go up to my last post C. |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Jan 12 2003, 12:08 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 11 2003, 03:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 11 2003, 01:58 PM
[quote]Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 03:32 PM
[b] [quote]Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 02:46 PM
[b] Let me be blunt.
Tell me why you need to have your compititors on a lesser tire than you rather than your own class??????????????????????
Bet someone degrades this because no one will give an honest answer.
just watch :bigthumbup:
NO ANSWER YET
No answer yet.
No answer yet! [/b][/quote]
Does nobody have an answer? I think it is a valid question. :bigthumbup: [/b][/quote]
Thats a lame answer.
Why don't any of the pro's whine about this very dead subject.
Are you saying that the 9 second rwd cars down south on radials think the same , obviously not.
Read the post on AWD cons and pro's and you'll see your wrong.
Do you hear me whining about 2 ft wide tires on the RWD cars with great weight transfer to my 6" wide tires with shitty weight transfer.
NOT.
Here is an example of a RWD car on radials. Watch this and tell me why we should break the IDRC rules and allow wrinkle wall tires in to races with street radial cars instead of giving them they're own class or making them use non wrinkle wall tires.
http://highboost.com/movies/TitanRace/titan9160.mpg
http://highboost.com/movies/TitanRace/tita...nespnoregon.mpg
Listen to who he thanks! No need for wrinkle walls in street class racing !!!!
Lose give up on the that subject because if your really want to tech you'll have to except the rules that already work in the usa made by people far smarter about racing than you and I put together. |
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| v8slayer |
quote:
Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Jan 12 2003, 12:08 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 11 2003, 03:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 11 2003, 01:58 PM
[quote]Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 03:32 PM
[b] [quote]Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 02:46 PM
[b] Let me be blunt.
Tell me why you need to have your compititors on a lesser tire than you rather than your own class??????????????????????
Bet someone degrades this because no one will give an honest answer.
just watch :bigthumbup:
NO ANSWER YET
No answer yet.
No answer yet! [/b][/quote]
Does nobody have an answer? I think it is a valid question. :bigthumbup: [/b][/quote]
Still no proper non sarcastic answer. |
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| circle |
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 11 2003, 01:58 PM
quote:
Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 10 2003, 02:46 PM
Let me be blunt.
Tell me why you need to have your compititors on a lesser tire than you rather than your own class??????????????????????
Bet someone degrades this because no one will give an honest answer.
just watch :bigthumbup:
Raplace "lesser tire" with...
"lesser drivetrain"
"lesser tranny"
"lesser fuel"
"lesser turbo"
"lesser engine"
"lesser whatever you want" and GIVE ME AN ANSWER BACK!
Everybody knows import racing is already the special olympics of drag racing, why do you want to break it down even more????
Run whatcha brung, heads up, NUFF SAID! |
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| 4kruzn |
v8slayer your tire adds are interesting and now we all know that we have a choice. what loose and myself want is to see the disclamer in print from the IDRC that diferenciates between the two types of bias drag tires. what you will find in most any rule book is that if a tire is not allowed it will say so. So please I'm begging you , find the exemption to wrinkle wall tires in the class in print, maybe the tracks sup regs or in a magazine but be sure its the IDRC that stipulates this because i tend to agree with the others that all dot tires are legal. I will be the first to apologize for not believeing you when you show use this in some form of legal document from the sanction body. for ex. in the class that i race in, road racing we are allowed any dot tire. who makes them and the construction is not a concern. in some auto slolom classes and in our mini stock class we ran in, the rules stated that the tire had to be dot approved but... not hoosiers were allowed. I really feel that if certain dot tires are to be disallowed in the class the rule book would say it?
all this aside to answer your lesser tire question . I dont want to race you on a lesser tire, what i want you to do is buy non radial drag tires for your car add the 150 lb penalty and come race me. but if you preffer to use a lighter car 150lbs less you can choose to run on any type of radial tire you choose. you see this is your choice. what we want is to be able to run the heavier car by the 150 lb penalty and run the better tire, remember these rules are provin to be effective equalizers by people smarter than us..... |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by 4kruzn@Jan 12 2003, 09:28 PM
v8slayer your tire adds are interesting and now we all know that we have a choice. what loose and myself want is to see the disclamer in print from the IDRC that diferenciates between the two types of bias drag tires. what you will find in most any rule book is that if a tire is not allowed it will say so. So please I'm begging you , find the exemption to wrinkle wall tires in the class in print, maybe the tracks sup regs or in a magazine but be sure its the IDRC that stipulates this because i tend to agree with the others that all dot tires are legal. I will be the first to apologize for not believeing you when you show use this in some form of legal document from the sanction body. for ex. in the class that i race in, road racing we are allowed any dot tire. who makes them and the construction is not a concern. in some auto slolom classes and in our mini stock class we ran in, the rules stated that the tire had to be dot approved but... not hoosiers were allowed. I really feel that if certain dot tires are to be disallowed in the class the rule book would say it?
all this aside to answer your lesser tire question . I dont want to race you on a lesser tire, what i want you to do is buy non radial drag tires for your car add the 150 lb penalty and come race me. but if you preffer to use a lighter car 150lbs less you can choose to run on any type of radial tire you choose. you see this is your choice. what we want is to be able to run the heavier car by the 150 lb penalty and run the better tire, remember these rules are provin to be effective equalizers by people smarter than us.....
I will contact the IDRC board of director's today and have them send me a 2003 Rule Book. I will also have them cc the letter by email so we don't have to wait in suspense. |
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| Pro Drag |
Just got off the phone with the TECH DIRECTOR, Jerry Hsien, he is sending me a rule book. Legal tires for use in IDRC Street Class include:
Hoosier Pro Street D.O.T. Radial
29X12.50R-15LT SBL 8 8-10" 28.6" 13.0" 10.0" 1260 25 19150
Mickey Thompson Sportsman Pro (150 lb. Weight Penalty)
This tire is a fully treaded street tire with wrinkle wall capabilities.
Mickey Thompson ET Street Tires are not legal for use in IDRC street class.
6540 26X9.50-16 23 7-8 8 9552 9.9 8.0 26
6542 26X10.50-15 23 7-10 8.5 9552 10.4 8.0 26
6544 26X12.50-15 26 8.5-11 10 9552 11.9 10.0 26
6546 28X10.50-15 23 7-9 8.5 9552 11.2 8.3 28
6548 28X12.50-15 26 8.5-11 10 9554 13.1 10.4 29
6557 29X12.50-15 27 8.5-11 10 9554 13.0 10.0 29
BF Goodrich Comp T/A Drag Radial/Any aftermarket treaded drag radial tire that does not exceed a section designation of 325 or a tread width of 10.5"
No tire can exceed at section designation of 325 or tread width of 10.5" in any way, shape or form.
There you go, now let's go have some fun at the track and get this sport the recognition it deserve's around here and across Canada. :bigthumbup: |
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| bigpappa |
quote:
Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Jan 13 2003, 09:48 AM
There you go, now let's go have some fun at the track and get this sport the recognition it deserve's around here and across Canada. :bigthumbup:
boy it seems like you and your dad,buddy roger where the one;s complaining about tires and know you are all like ''read the qoute'''to me thats being a hypocrite thats my opion thou? :thefinger: |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by bigpappa@Jan 13 2003, 11:06 AM
boy it seems like you and your dad,buddy roger where the one;s complaining about tires and know you are all like ''read the qoute'''to me thats being a hypocrite thats my opion thou? :thefinger:
What does my father have to do with any of this?
Nothing!
Let's all stop directing attention away from the progress being made and have fun. |
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| bigpappa |
| you should listen to what you are saying then? |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by bigpappa@Jan 13 2003, 11:36 AM
you should listen to what you are saying then?
Please show my posts where I have made myself out to be a "hypocrite". If you want to discount something, bring proof to back it up is all I am asking.
I went right to the source of the rule book, the Technical Director, to find the correct interpretation of the rules as they are written. |
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Just got off the phone with the TECH DIRECTOR, Jerry Hsien, he is sending me a rule book. Legal tires for use in IDRC Street Class include:
Hoosier Pro Street D.O.T. Radial
29X12.50R-15LT SBL 8 8-10" 28.6" 13.0" 10.0" 1260 25 19150
Mickey Thompson Sportsman Pro (150 lb. Weight Penalty)
This tire is a fully treaded street tire with wrinkle wall capabilities.
Mickey Thompson ET Street Tires are not legal for use in IDRC street class.
6540 26X9.50-16 23 7-8 8 9552 9.9 8.0 26
6542 26X10.50-15 23 7-10 8.5 9552 10.4 8.0 26
6544 26X12.50-15 26 8.5-11 10 9552 11.9 10.0 26
6546 28X10.50-15 23 7-9 8.5 9552 11.2 8.3 28
6548 28X12.50-15 26 8.5-11 10 9554 13.1 10.4 29
6557 29X12.50-15 27 8.5-11 10 9554 13.0 10.0 29
BF Goodrich Comp T/A Drag Radial/Any aftermarket treaded drag radial tire that does not exceed a section designation of 325 or a tread width of 10.5"
No tire can exceed at section designation of 325 or tread width of 10.5" in any way, shape or form.
There you go, now let's go have some fun at the track and get this sport the recognition it deserve's around here and across Canada.
I'm glad this has been cleared up. Maybe the complaints will now stop. Let's put this to rest and get out there and just have some fun. Roger, I don't know what you mean by taking Leno's name? This is my licence plate as you saw it on my Little red wagon! And the fact that the Supra is 2800lbs seems light to me. I was fairly sure those cars were 3400ish. So, I was wrong about that I guess. See ya at the track!
Karl :gay: |
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| Pro Drag |
Hey Karl,:wavey: now I know what was nagging at my brain, I knew I had seen that before, and it was on your Wagon. That thing is cool. :bigthumbup:
It's always nice to be able to associate a car/competitor to a 'net identity. That way your opinion can be substantiated. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by T51R@Jan 10 2003, 04:14 PM
OK lets get something straight(little less drama please)
You guys want to follow the rules of IDRC, so are you going to follow it to the teeth? of just some of the rules?
Markis: we need some answers?
reminder MT ET are approved to be used in the steet tire class(but they are a wrinkle wall tire) or are you going to change their rules to meet your rules?
Some of my friends in calgary would like to know so they can prepare their cars for any future events in etown.
I want to see the IDRC rulebook implemented, to the teeth.
With my most recent discussion with the Tech Director, it has cleared up most of the grey areas. Any other issues that arise can be resolved when I receive my 2003 IDRC Rulebook. |
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| bigpappa |
| well you guys better get your car certified?you guys we have a one day event not a three day let's just stand behind markis and the v8-less disicions?i guess to say if you want different rules hold your own event? :thefinger: |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Jan 13 2003, 02:11 PM
well you guys better get your car certified?you guys we have a one day event not a three day let's just stand behind markis and the v8-less disicions?i guess _to say if you want different rules hold your own event? :thefinger:
You seem to know alot about our race car, who are you once and for all?
We have a whole season of racing ahead of us, not just a one day event. Wouldn't it be nice to have some uniformity in the sport, so you know your car will be in the same class wherever you race it on the continents.
From my understanding, Markis is using the opinions voiced in these forums to establish rules for his V8less events. In my opinion the IDRC rulebook has laid to rest all the issues that arise in sport compact racing in North America. Why reinvent the wheel if it is not broken?
(Edit)BTW: Our race car is certified. :bigthumbup: |
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| Loose |
| I thought the NHRA was the big mamma-jamma. Isn't the IDRC dwindling since the NHRA got into the import thing? |
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| IH8V8S |
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Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Jan 13 2003, 11:36 AM
Hey Karl,:wavey: now I know what was nagging at my brain, I knew I had seen that before, and it was on your Wagon. That thing is cool. :bigthumbup:
It's always nice to be able to associate a car/competitor to a 'net identity. That way your opinion can be substantiated.
Sorry I didn't properly introduce myself. Thanks for the props on the wagon. She's old but a lot of fun! Building another motor for it this winter so we'll see how it goes in the spring. Catch you at the races! :bigthumbup: |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by Loose@Jan 13 2003, 03:19 PM
I thought the NHRA was the big mamma-jamma. Isn't the IDRC dwindling since the NHRA got into the import thing?
The NHRA is the king of the hill if you wear a mullet and drive a Small Block Chevy powered Camaro.
IDRC is by the racer's for the racer's. There seems to be alot of complaints about too many classes. NHRA has 6 Import Classes not counting bracket racing. IDRC has 5 Import Classes not counting bracket racing.
Do you think Bud Park, being an IHRA sanctioned track would like NHRA rules implemented, seeing as how they are competitors? |
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| Loose |
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Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Jan 13 2003, 04:05 PM
The NHRA is the king of the hill if you wear a mullet and drive a Small Block Chevy powered Camaro.
Fuck you man. I love my mullet. |
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| bigpappa |
| i will race regardless what whatever you guys run :D |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by IH8V8S@Jan 13 2003, 11:07 AM
I don't know what you mean by taking Leno's name? This is my licence plate as you saw it on my Little red wagon! And the fact that the Supra is 2800lbs seems light to me. I was fairly sure those cars were 3400ish. So, I was wrong about that I guess. See ya at the track!
Karl :gay:
You need to read the whole thread including the slick vs radial on here to understand what I meant as far as the supra.
As far as leno I just say shit like that as a juoke because he has so many faux accounts.
He understands the joke perfectly. :bigthumbup: |
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| v8slayer |
Well I'm glad this is settled.
Mike get yourself some of those sportsman pro's so you can still have wrinkle walls as they seem to be allowed this year as the sportsman pro.
The slicks and treadless designs ( 1 or 3) little grooves are for Outlaw Slick class and the fully treaded listed above are for street.
Hey we should all be happy now that everything is clear. |
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