| Weight Gain - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| dsl55 |
HEy, I was always a small guy, but I had surgery and subsequently didn't feel up to do any physical activity or go to the gym or even eat. Needless to say I lost a TONNE of needed weight(I have a pretty good metabolism too).
I'm looking for advice on how to gain my weight back and then some! I swim, I run, I have started doing weights again(my arms have gotten so small I'm not doing too many atm)
I also try and eat lot's of pasta and anything with carbs. I find one of my problems is, even with a long work out, I don't have much of an appetite anymore. People always comment that I should be happy I don't have to worry about being fat and such, but I contend that being extra small isn't any better.
Advice? Comments? Work out idea's? |
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| s2oooR |
had the same problem as you in gaining weight.... i just conditioned myself to eat every 2-3 hrs.... heck, if i go 4 hrs without eating? i go nuts... i get cranky and end up eating twice as much when i DO get a chance to eat.... mainly cuz im just that hungry!
Also i get help on top of that... as in weight gainer protein..... 1 bucket for me is woth about 5lbs. Mind you, this last bucket hasnt been going so good. Im actually losing weight at the moment because of blading more regularly..... i AM getting 'cut' a bit more though....
but really if u wanna gain that weight... cut all cardio from your routine lol..... (i refuse to do that though wich is maybe why my gains arent as quick as they should be) |
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| sparkycivic |
| you can have 50 pounds of my weight that i dont want... you just gotta figure out hoe to transfer it over:p |
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| TrevorK |
Lift big.
Eat big.
Get big.
Three simple steps. |
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| turbo_dave |
seriously, take trevorKs advice :) |
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| dsl55 |
thanks guys, keep it comin :D And ona note, before anyone suggest creatine, prior to my surgery when I was a little bigger, creatine made me so sick it wasnt even funny. I was throwin up before I even got to finish all the bloody water you have to drink with it lol
s2ooor, what are you using for weight gainer protein? I had some stuff awhile back, it wasnt bad.
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| s2oooR |
quote:
Originally posted by TrevorK
Lift big.
Eat big.
Get big.
Three simple steps.
thats basically what i said in my post :p lol |
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| s2oooR |
quote:
Originally posted by dsl55
s2ooor, what are you using for weight gainer protein? I had some stuff awhile back, it wasnt bad.
im using Muscle Juice 2544 .... about 1300cals per serving... bascially two of those per day will get me what i need to gain weight... but i usually only take one per day..... u need to eat lotsa fibre though, or you'll be in the can for 30min...lol |
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| wubba_65 |
What TrevorK said.
McDonalds 3 Times a day, 2 hours of intense workout 5 times/week. I have heard of people using this method and working for them. There are healthier ways to increase your caloric intake, but that is the principle behind it. Eat lots, work out lots X 2. |
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| TrevorK |
To further my statement - you need to focus on the "big weight" movements - no pussy as shit.
Squats. Deadlifts. Bench. Military press.
You can get big in no time with the right diet and exercise regime. |
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| dsl55 |
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Originally posted by s2oooR
im using Muscle Juice 2544 .... about 1300cals per serving... bascially two of those per day will get me what i need to gain weight... but i usually only take one per day..... u need to eat lotsa fibre though, or you'll be in the can for 30min...lol
Hmm they got it at GNC? I have a friend with a gold card so might as well get it cheap as possible... and yeah, I had to eat lots of fibre with the other shit too haha! I thought about just taking that metamucil shit for old folks, btu Just ate lot's of greens and had raisin bran. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by dsl55
Hmm they got it at GNC? I have a friend with a gold card so might as well get it cheap as possible... and yeah, I had to eat lots of fibre with the other shit too haha! I thought about just taking that metamucil shit for old folks, btu Just ate lot's of greens and had raisin bran.
www.sndcanada.com
www.supplementscanada.com
Both are usually cheaper than GNC even when you include the shipping (Which is free if you spend $100+) |
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| s2oooR |
| yes they have it at GNC.... $40, i think it is... plus tax. with the gold card..... not sure how much it is at those websites but if i cant wait 3 weeks or however long it takes to get here, then GNC is probably your best bet... |
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| dsl55 |
| Okay that is reasonable, thnx, and i sure hope it doesnt taste nasty.. lol I hate chugging that shit back like its fear factor. |
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| s2oooR |
| nah, i dont mind it..... mind you, u get used to anything.... get chocolate, btw... if they have it. vanilla didnt taste so good for me..... |
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| dsl55 |
haha thanks for the advice!
oh I have another question for everyone. You need 24 hours to fully recoup am I right? So if I did arms chest upper back etc, on day 1 and day 2 did legs and so forth, would that be a good enough recoup time? |
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| turbo_dave |
| make sure you take creatine on an empty stomache... i get cramps when i take it with food. Also, try kre-alkalyn pills.. you can get em' at GNC. |
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| dsl55 |
I also wanted to ask, do you sugegst eating right after a work out? before?
ALso trevor says lift big, this is all relative right? Cause big to one guy might be 225lbs and big to another might be 160lbs. SO what I am asking is, should I be struggling on my final set, get through it with comfort or not even finish it? |
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| s2oooR |
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Originally posted by dsl55
I also wanted to ask, do you sugegst eating right after a work out? before?
Both! I just ate a donnair, actually... gonna work out after i type this.... and have a protein drink right after and then supper!.... I do this all the time and I still manage to lose weight when i go blading .... wtf! Wonder how much i'd lose if i didnt eat so often lol |
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| dsl55 |
| You know I hear donairs are real good for putting pn pounds, but I just cant stand them! |
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| lilweiner |
| go to costco and get the protein whey they have there its like 40 buck for 2kg... and it actully tastes not bad... you want to put on muscle weight not fat.... |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by dsl55
haha thanks for the advice!
oh I have another question for everyone. You need 24 hours to fully recoup am I right? So if I did arms chest upper back etc, on day 1 and day 2 did legs and so forth, would that be a good enough recoup time?
It depends on how you're lifting - there's no way you can lift heavy on only 24 hours rest. I prefer a three day workout split (Mon/Wed/Fri) and group the muscles to achieve the most rest.
There are of course different theories on kicking around, but I don't think a single one would say to do your absolute hardest on only 24 hours rest.... |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by dsl55
I also wanted to ask, do you sugegst eating right after a work out? before?
ALso trevor says lift big, this is all relative right? Cause big to one guy might be 225lbs and big to another might be 160lbs. SO what I am asking is, should I be struggling on my final set, get through it with comfort or not even finish it?
Both - eat before AND after working out.
Remember to get some whey (fast absorbing) protein for after-workout, mixed with water (NOT MILK) for the best absorbtion.
As well, you will NEED carbs to replenish your glycogen store.
As for "lift big" - yes it's all relative. I used to finish my deadlifts with 405 for 5 reps. Will you at the beginning? Hell no.
You're goal is for your last set of 5 that your struggle to put up the last set of 5. If you can rep the 5 without a problem, you don't have enough weight on. |
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| dsl55 |
| When you say group the muscles to achieve the most rest, what do you exactly mean? You and s2ooor are really informative :D |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by dsl55
When you say group the muscles to achieve the most rest, what do you exactly mean? You and s2ooor are really informative :D
I think I helped S2000R a lot :)
You group muscles together that don't use each other - that way you can put a maximum effort towards them.
For example, you could do Shoulders + Legs. They are completely independant of each other, so you will be able to give a maximum effort for both.
If you did say Chest + Triceps, then you're triceps will be tired by the time you finish chest, and you won't give them the maximum effort possible.
So the goal is to allow a maximum effort during your workout - so you schedule which muscle groups you do to allow this. |
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| s2oooR |
yep, helped me out lots..... still made a few changes to what Trevor has said though.
like for example.... when Trev. says seperate Chest and Tri's? I do both the same day... I focus on the large muscle groups and not so much the smaller muscle groups such as the tri's, bi's, etc because they naturally get worked out when u do excersises for the larger muscle groups.... the smaller groups (for me anyways) tend to grow faster than the larger muscle groups, so i dont spend too much time on them (i.e 1-2 excersises, 3 sets each). It's worked so far...
oh, I always do the larger muscle group first before the smaller group.... i.e bench press first before doing tricep extensions. Reverse Lat pulldowns before preacher curls, etc.... |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by s2oooR
yep, helped me out lots..... still made a few changes to what Trevor has said though.
Which means you learned one of the most important things - do what works for you.
Everyone responds differently, trial and error is the only way to find out what will work for you.
We can give suggestions and comments that will definetely help you out, but you need to try them, see if they work for you. |
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| dsl55 |
One thing that has worked surprisingly fast is s2ooor's advice on eating every 2-3 hours! I haven't gone 2-3 hours with out needing something to eat, I'm amazed how fast my body has adapted to it!
I need to work my legs too and even my core, so I need to fidn a way to get it all in there and still get enough rest. |
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| s2oooR |
| .... careful though..... eating every 2-3 hrs can get expensive! lololol .... and if u dont eat every 2-3hrs, you'll get REALLY hungry once your body is used to it :( gonna go workout now :p |
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| dsl55 |
| Haha believe me I have already noticed the emptying of my wallet! you bastard... but atleast Ihave more of an appetite now! (albeit the meals are small like a large sandwich or something, but I'm just starting) |
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| s2oooR |
its not supposed to be an entire meal lol
I just try to make it so it has at least 20-30g protein. But, it just makes sense, the harder/more u work out, the more you'll want to eat. Sometimes you just naturally NEED to eat more. |
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| dsl55 |
| I needed to eat and all that was around was a subway and now I am 7.00$ poorer lol... damnit! lol I need to start carring lunches :P And I kinda figured you werent suppose to eat a whole meal haha |
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| Flex |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
Which means you learned one of the most important things - do what works for you.
Everyone responds differently, trial and error is the only way to find out what will work for you.
We can give suggestions and comments that will definetely help you out, but you need to try them, see if they work for you.
Thats the big key right there.....Trevor has hit the nail right on the head. everyone is different and you have to use trial and error to see what works best for you. So take the advice and try things and soon you will learn the things that best work for you and your body type. |
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| Keith303 |
Goto Pop-eyes and get Power-Mass protine drink.
w/4 scoops in one glass w/milk its 1300+ colories 55g protine.
glutamine is also a helpfull suplement.
I gained alot off it. Combine that shit with juice and youll be laughing:bthumbup: |
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| s2oooR |
quote:
Originally posted by Keith303
Goto Pop-eyes and get Power-Mass protine drink.
w/4 scoops in one glass w/milk its 1300+ colories 55g protine.
glutamine is also a helpfull suplement.
I gained alot off it. Combine that shit with juice and youll be laughing:bthumbup:
thats how much i get with mine.... combine that with milk and its about 71g protein per serving :bthumbup: |
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| Flex |
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Originally posted by s2oooR
thats how much i get with mine.... combine that with milk and its about 71g protein per serving :bthumbup:
thats alot of protein for the average body to digest in one sitting..............probably most of it your just crapping out. Have that per serving would porbably do you just fine per serving. The average body can only digest about 30 grams of protein per meal. So give or take a few grams 71 is alot. |
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| dsl55 |
| Does ti really matter if there is extra, you'll get all that you'll need and crap the rest out? or am i wrong? |
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| s2oooR |
better to have too much than too little... u dotn wanna be without any when your muscles need it, I always say.:fingersx:
.... about the 30g absorbtion thing, ive heard that too. BUT, ive also heard the other side wehre yeah, your body CAN absorb more than the 30.... from teh ppl ive talked to, its about 50/50 so i dont know what to beleive.
In any case... i dont take the full serving... i usually do 3/4 or 1/2 serving twice per day... or try to. but more often than not, i get one per day. |
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| dsl55 |
| Well If I end up taking too much, well then I can just shit it out, atleast I will get as much as my body can handle, so if that happens to be 34grams then thats 34grams. better than taking 30 grams to try and guesstimate! Shit I've been drinking and that's bad for your body haha, I need to buckle down and focus, anyone have any tips for avoiding drink weekends, I want to stay as true and as ehalthy as I can to my workout regime. |
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| s2oooR |
lol my buddies always try to get me to drink ..... I always turn them down :p Im not much of a bar person so I guess its easier for me that way :dunno:
on a side note.... do guys find it more attractive that a girl DOES drink or doesnt? |
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| dsl55 |
| Umm girls who drink in moderation, I don't like heavy drinkers. Is some girl who is always getting so drunk she can't walk or see straight attractive? I guess if you can't get any sober ones home haha... |
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| s2oooR |
meh, i always found it a turn off :dunno:
maybe they think they're cool or something if they do :dunno: |
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| silverTEG |
for my weight gainer i use Prolab N-Large 2, it's recommended serving is 2 servings twice a day (4 scoops=1 serving) that is a 600 calorie serving.
on a workout day i use a 1/2 serving right after a workout, and one 1/2 serving right before bed. (600 calories)
on a NON workout day i just do a 1/2 serving before bed. ( 300 calories)
my weekly weight gain is about 1.5 lbs. im thinking of doing full servings once a day on off-days now, and and 1 1/2 on workout days.
i also drink as much water as possible and eat more and healthier. and try to get 8 hrs of sleep.
workout -
Monday- chest, back, traps
wednesday- all legs
friday-shoulders, biceps, triceps, abs |
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| Flex |
| one thing to know is when protein is broken down in the body, the kidneys process the by-products, putting a tremendous strain on the kidneys. So a person doesn't want to over do it if its not needed. |
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| s2oooR |
| wonder how long till u start doing damage :confused: |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by s2oooR
wonder how long till u start doing damage :confused:
No one has been able to prove the point at which damage occurs, so I'd say for the average lifter you'll be OK. |
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| s2oooR |
| ya, im usually at one 3/4 serving per day... i try to take two but not too often do i do it because im eating so much already. |
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| dsl55 |
quote:
Originally posted by silverTEG
for my weight gainer i use Prolab N-Large 2, it's recommended serving is 2 servings twice a day (4 scoops=1 serving) that is a 600 calorie serving.
on a workout day i use a 1/2 serving right after a workout, and one 1/2 serving right before bed. (600 calories)
on a NON workout day i just do a 1/2 serving before bed. ( 300 calories)
my weekly weight gain is about 1.5 lbs. im thinking of doing full servings once a day on off-days now, and and 1 1/2 on workout days.
i also drink as much water as possible and eat more and healthier. and try to get 8 hrs of sleep.
workout -
Monday- chest, back, traps
wednesday- all legs
friday-shoulders, biceps, triceps, abs
So you only work out your chest once a week, your shoulders and your biceps once a week? |
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| silverTEG |
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Originally posted by dsl55
So you only work out your chest once a week, your shoulders and your biceps once a week?
sometimes i double up the biceps/triceps, doing them mon/fri, thats about it.
everyone has an opinion on what works or does not work as far as over training, so i used a routine i found on www.wannabebig.com, so i thought i would try that. |
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| REFLUX |
silverTeg:
I was just going to ask, "Are you doing WBB 1?"
ahhaha
dsl55:
keep in mind your form
if you're lifting something and using bad technique, not only could you injur yourself, you're also not maximizing the use of those specific muscles.
Example:
Doing a standing bicep curl where you use your back/weight to give you momentum to lift it up.
You're doing a bicep curl, not a weight tossing contest.
Also, with eating more, how many shits are you taking a day?
I found I topped out at 4 :lol: |
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| silverTEG |
| with the gainer im on and the extra eating i max out with 2 huge shits. but usually one monster shit per day. :D |
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| dsl55 |
Do you guys find the WBB sites programs to be helpful? I know it's all about what works for you, but I still want your opinion.
haha I'm hitting 3, but the last one could really be kept till morning, not an urgent one lol. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by s2oooR
wonder how long till u start doing damage :confused:
If it really caused any sort of significant damage I'd have been dead a long long time ago. |
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| Flex |
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Originally posted by snugs
If it really caused any sort of significant damage I'd have been dead a long long time ago.
its not something you see right now....its an overtime problem.........it can cause problems with your kidneys when you get older. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by Flex
its not something you see right now....its an overtime problem.........it can cause problems with your kidneys when you get older.
I know what the claims are and I think its complete and utter bullpucky.
If any of that stuff were even remotely close to being true then we'd see massive and ongoing kidney failure in the entire global inuit population as their diet is (or at least was) almost completely protein and fat based. |
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| Flex |
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Originally posted by snugs
I know what the claims are and I think its complete and utter bullpucky.
If any of that stuff were even remotely close to being true then we'd see massive and ongoing kidney failure in the entire global inuit population as their diet is (or at least was) almost completely protein and fat based.
go get your kidneys checked now.............eat a really high protein diet for a month then go get them checked again...........your doctor will ask you whats up as your kidneys are working extra hard...............try it if you dont beleive me.
And Im sure cultures that have the same diet all their lives and thats the way it has been for a long time their bodies have adapted to that. Like some of the tribes that can eat really hot peppers that would put an average man in the hospital.......its in their bodies makeup to handle it. |
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| s2oooR |
| so your saying your body just adapts to teh higher protein content? :dunno: |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by Flex
go get your kidneys checked now.............eat a really high protein diet for a month then go get them checked again...........your doctor will ask you whats up as your kidneys are working extra hard...............try it if you dont beleive me.
lol, that's no kind of proof of anything. All that would show is that your body is adapting to the new ratios in your diet. For example a person who has been a couch potatoe for years who suddenly starts weight training will have CK levels that are off the chart, heck if I got my levels checked the day after I did legs or back they would probably be so high the doctor would tell me I was dying.
A better test (which I have yet to see in any sort of research) would be to have a test group switch over to a high ratio protein diet and then have them periodically checked over the span of a few years to determine if their body's had adapted to the new food. Further to that there are a number of things that are often not mentioned when this kind of discussion is started, things like water intake, dietary supplements, vitamin intake, etc.. all can have major effects on kidney function and without addressing all of those issues as well this whole "high protein is bad" discussion is a bit pointless. :) |
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| s2oooR |
| great, now im confused.... nonetheless, i dont think im drinking enough of those protein shakes to do major damage. I didnt even take one yesterday! ....im sure lots of ppl take alot more than i do too. .... and I dont even really take my multivit. regularly :dunno: .... I dont really notice a difference, tahts why. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by s2oooR
great, now im confused.... nonetheless, i dont think im drinking enough of those protein shakes to do major damage. I didnt even take one yesterday! ....im sure lots of ppl take alot more than i do too. .... and I dont even really take my multivit. regularly :dunno: .... I dont really notice a difference, tahts why.
Nah, you're fine. My protein/carb ratio is at about 60/40 right now (my fat intake is limited to basically flax and fish oils and whatever little bit is in the lean meats I eat), but while dieting its been up to 100/0 for short periods. I would say that somebody like you who is just trying to gain a bit of muscle while continuing to eat a fairly balanced diet really has nothing to worry about regarding this kind of "kidney damage" thing, so don't sweat it. :bthumbup: |
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| Flex |
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Originally posted by snugs
lol, that's no kind of proof of anything. All that would show is that your body is adapting to the new ratios in your diet. For example a person who has been a couch potatoe for years who suddenly starts weight training will have CK levels that are off the chart, heck if I got my levels checked the day after I did legs or back they would probably be so high the doctor would tell me I was dying.
A better test (which I have yet to see in any sort of research) would be to have a test group switch over to a high ratio protein diet and then have them periodically checked over the span of a few years to determine if their body's had adapted to the new food. Further to that there are a number of things that are often not mentioned when this kind of discussion is started, things like water intake, dietary supplements, vitamin intake, etc.. all can have major effects on kidney function and without addressing all of those issues as well this whole "high protein is bad" discussion is a bit pointless. :)
ok, I agree a short term test such as a month would only tell your kidneys are working overtime. Its this overtime working for long periods of time that can cause the problem. I have done more reading on this topic and there is information for both sides of the argument. But from what I have read is both sides do agree a high protien diet does mae your kidneys work more so therefore you should increase your intake of water to help your kidneys with the added work.
Some articles I read say that the effects of a high protein diet on a normal functioning kidney are low, but if you have any kidney problems to begin with then this will surely elevate the problem. And they both recommend before starting any high protein diet a person should have their kidneys check to make sure there is no problems already there. |
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| dsl55 |
I'd say good advice all around!
It's also suggested to seek your doctors approval before starting a new exercise regime, but I doubt many do. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by Flex
But from what I have read is both sides do agree a high protien diet does mae your kidneys work more so therefore you should increase your intake of water to help your kidneys with the added work.
Exactly.
When you lift weights you stress the muscles and you have to feed them more so they can recover and rebuild, your internal organs are no different. If you are on a diet that may increase the stress on your kidneys then its advisable to increase your water intake and also supplement your diet with things like cranberry extract. But the whole idea that adding an extra 50gms worth of whey protein into your daily diet is going to damage your kidneys is a little silly. :) |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by snugs
also supplement your diet with things like cranberry extract.
Why do you want to take in Cranberry extract/juice???? |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
Why do you want to take in Cranberry extract/juice????
Its good for the urinary tract. If you eat excess protein and drink a lot of water... well that water has to go somewhere. ;)
But, like I said, you really should only start to be concerned about stuff like this when you're on a very strict diet that maintains you at a high protein to carb ratio. Most recreational bodybuilders or weight lifters don't keep tight enough control on their diets for any of this stuff to become an issue. :) |
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| dsl55 |
**UPDATE**
I've been on WBB #1 for a few weeks and I have ganed 2.3 pounds and am starting to feel in better condition! |
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| silverTEG |
| im up 12 lbs. since i started wbb1 8 weeks ago. :bthumbup: |
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