| Cobra_R |
I know this isnt really tuner related but.
why is dodge pumping out the HEMI engines there huge gas guzzling whores?
whats the point of releasing these engines ther are more efficent engones with power and hauling i mean most inline turbocharged 6 cylinders can out power these beasts and not only that but diesel engines are more efficent and if you seen a 2005 ford diesel there fast powerful and can tow more then any hemi can and its quiet and does not have a diesel gassy smell.
well i guess its true what they say
HP sells cars and torque wins races. |
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| 2003specv |
| Cause gas is cheap. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| Because people are suckers and will buy a vehicle just because it has a Hemi badge on the side. |
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| Cobra_R |
90 cents is not cheap
35 cents a gallon back in the 60s is |
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| 2003specv |
| It's cheap to me.:dunno: |
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| Anonymoose |
From autos.msn.com
Car / City / Hwy
'05 Chrysler 300C / 17mpg / 25mpg
'98 Toyota Supra TT / 17mpg / 23mpg
'96 Nissan 300ZX TT / 18mpg / 23mpg
'96 Dodge Stealth TT / 18mpg / 24mpg
'93 Mazda RX-7 TT / 17mpg / 24mpg
Hmm, more horsepower and torque with similar gas mileage. I don't see your point. |
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| DomesticDrifter |
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Originally posted by Cobra_R
90 cents is not cheap
35 cents a gallon back in the 60s is
ahhhhhhh young one, you're forgetting inflation.
gas might have only been 35c/gallon in the 60's but people were only making 4 bucks an hour, its all relative. |
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| rexxrally |
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Originally posted by DomesticDrifter
ahhhhhhh young one, you're forgetting inflation.
gas might have only been 35c/gallon in the 60's but people were only making 4 bucks an hour, its all relative.
Yes, and not only that, but back in the 60's, you had to drive a 60's car, work in a 60's type job and live in a 60's style house. Everything's better now.
And there were no computers, so no websites to talk to people, you actually had to go outside and talk to them face-to-face! |
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| HeavyEarly87T |
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Originally posted by Anonymoose
From autos.msn.com
Car / City / Hwy
'05 Chrysler 300C / 17mpg / 25mpg
'98 Toyota Supra TT / 17mpg / 23mpg
'96 Nissan 300ZX TT / 18mpg / 23mpg
'96 Dodge Stealth TT / 18mpg / 24mpg
'93 Mazda RX-7 TT / 17mpg / 24mpg
Hmm, more horsepower and torque with similar gas mileage. I don't see your point.
My 87 supra uses as much gas as my Suburban did. 200years ago it was drilled into our heads that smaller is better because it was cheaper to sell us half a V8 and say we are saving gas & money instead of doing the research to make a V8 get the same milage as a 4 banger then.
Some of the early 80's 4 bangers have less MPG than the V8's of today.
Just what I know.:dunno: |
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| rexxrally |
Yeah, the high horse power Cadillacs today get better gas mileage than a Pinto did in the late 70's.
And they explode a whole lot less, too! :p
"Hemi" is a gimmick to sell cars. Even Chrysler could beat the King of the Hemis (the 426) with a non-Hemi motor (440). So, it's more hype than anything (kinda like everything else in advertising cars)
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| Flex |
| In the US I was reading a person can actually get a bigger tax break on getting a larger less full efficient suv. And the difference in tax benifit was large so it made total sense to go out and get the hummer instead of the Rav4. I will look it up and see if I can find the write up on it. |
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| Markgase2000 |
lol ^^^^ just makes them americans look for more excuses to go to war for gas :) If dodge can use up there surplus of engines why not? Team America is there to back them up lol!
cant wait to see the srt-hemi :) |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by Cobra_R
90 cents is not cheap
35 cents a gallon back in the 60s is
fuck are you dumb... look at what mimimum wage was in the 60's, look how much a house or car cost then.
FYI Canada and North america has some of the cheapest gas prices on the planet. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
K.. umm I drive a V8 right now I get 22-26MPG highway and prolly 10 or so city.
Shortly here Chrysler is putting out into trucks the multi displacement Hemi's like in the 300C that when your cruising your only running on 4 or 6 cylinders to save fuel, then when you hit the gas the other cylinders fire up and you have all your power availible to you...
Oh I felt I should add.. a Neon.. is a hemi.. toyota uses the Hemi design quite a bit.... umm I had a 4cyl 2.6L hemi in a mini truck.... |
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| Supra_devil |
a hemi is a motor with hemisperical heads.
everyone has had hemisherical heads on their motors.
the reason those v8 hemis suck gas back is because its a v8.
my "hemi" I6 gets 30mpg highway and mid-low twenties city driving quite spirited, and it the car has over 300,000 on it.
its all in the displacement. |
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| se-i |
| I get about 15-16 miles per gallon in my 5.2(318) durango I think it sucks lol. My car gets I cant say for sure but seems like alot more I have never actually checked. |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by se-i
I get about 15-16 miles per gallon in my 5.2(318) durango I think it sucks lol. My car gets I cant say for sure but seems like alot more I have never actually checked.
thats because dodge v8's have always been pigs before the "hemi" was re introduced. |
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| turbo_dave |
Diesels are expensive and out of some people's reach. You need the power and torque of a v8 to get thoes huge 3/4 ton trucks out of there own ways no to mention to get them to tow. 4, 6,and now 5 cylinder engines are popular in mini- medium size trucks... trucks which don't haul fifth wheels or heavy equipment. Also, there's the reliability factor..... The big 3 have been building v8s for almost ever :) Through many revisions most of the kinks have been worked out, I find that the engines are usually the most reliable part in the truck :) My dad's owned 3 v8 trucks and 1 v6, guess which is the only one that gave him trouble .
I have to applaud dodge for incorporating more technology into their engines and trying to make them more fuel efficient. v8 powered pony cars have gotten around the probelm of fuel economy with through gearing, recently all gm's performance cars have had 6 speeds with 6th and sometimes 5th both acting as OD to get good mileage, and as stated before performance cars don't get good mileage to begin with, turbo cars can suck back alot of gas especially when on the boost so do high strung 4 and 6 cylinder motors. THe 3.2l 6 cyliner NSX actually gets worse gas mileage than the 5.7l 8 cylinder corvette.
V8s have come along way, with fuel injection high hp is possible all while maintaining fuel economy in the 2x mpg range , long gone are the days where if you wanted performance your had to bolt on a huge, gas sucking double pumper. |
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| Mustard |
American companies have been stuck with this facination for big engines, mainly cause they CAN...
The issue in europe and japan is getting the most from the least.
It's all about technology over there... i don't know how to discribe the technology here, because there is none.
Take for example Dodge's High End Performance Production car, The Viper. It's a rodster witha fucking TRUCK engine... PUSHROD V-10... hardly impressive, and disgustingly american.
but besides that, look at the "entry level" stuff... anything under a v-6 from the domestics is laughed at. They simply can't build/sell high output small engines. (i'll admit, they are FINALLY catching on with stuff like the SRT-4)
Sure they get 250horse out of the 3.5L to (sometimes) 4L V6, but is that really impressive?
FUCK NO! if they weren't getting AT LEAST that kinda power, i would swear i'd stepped into a time machine and gone BACK to the 1970's.
GM mid-market stuff... same deal.
Then you check out the imports, and some of those things are getting 300+ hp out of a 2L engine... and not even a 6'er, and god damned 4 cyl!
Can you imagine what those guys could do with a V6??!! or 1 extra Litre?!
But thats the beauty of it, they DON'T add extra cylinders or more cubic inches for power... they tune the SHIT out of their stuff, they use technology, and work towards getting even MORE from LESS!
Abroud, engines are getting smaller, but performance reamins unchained, and sometimes improved as time goes on.
In the "colonies", as it were, things are going backwards... bigger bigger bigger, it's all i see.
Thankfully, domestics are dying even in North America. I think it was on The Daily Show, of all places, i saw that the "big 3" were on a serious decline in popularity, while Toyota/Honda/Nissan what have you were expanding in leaps and bounds.
The best comment ever, was:
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Many anylists blame the serious decline in popularity of domestic car companies on their lack of innovation. While Toyota and Honda were developing hybrid technology as far back as 10 years ago, we were working on a way to fit the TV into the head-rest..... cause that's how we roll...
Of course none of this all matter, cause in 20 years we'll all be driving something under an alternative energy source, as much as guys like Klien don't want to believe it.
The end is near... and i for one, welcome it.
:)
Oh, btw, our gas is not expensive, you're just used to paying what it's worth, for a change. |
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| colossus |
| Diesel's are false economy. A guy had his diesel in the shop to replace the brake pump... guess how much: $3500. How's that for inexpensive. That and diesel's are very finicky. One fuck up and you have an expensive repair...i.e. if you let it run out of fuel, or if you drive it without letting it warm/up and idle then you run the risk of damage to the engine. That's hardly user friendly for your average driver.:blink: |
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| Twisted-1 |
| Dodge has chosen to put out gas-guzzling Hemi's for one reason. PEOPLE will buy them. They are not too concerned about peoples fuel use. It's the same with all the big S.U.V's They just want there peice of the market. It's not Dodge's fault, it's the consumers who want the big vehicles with a V8. Also the Hemi badge gets people to overlook the fuel prices. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by Mustard
American companies have been stuck with this facination for big engines, mainly cause they CAN...
The issue in europe and japan is getting the most from the least.
It's all about technology over there... i don't know how to discribe the technology here, because there is none.
This is really funny.
Above you in this thread is posted fuel economy for some sporty import cars:
'98 Toyota Supra TT / 17mpg / 23mpg
'96 Nissan 300ZX TT / 18mpg / 23mpg
'96 Dodge Stealth TT / 18mpg / 24mpg
'93 Mazda RX-7 TT / 17mpg / 24mpg
What makes this interesting is:
2005 Corvette 18mpg/28mpg
<Source: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/20462.shtml >
I'd say right there, when GM can get the same mileage out of a 6.0L which pushes 400hp/400tq (Which is quite a bit more than any of those other imports have stock) it shows quite a bit of "technology" on their part. |
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| Flex |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
This is really
What makes this interesting is:
2005 Corvette 18mpg/28mpg
I'd say right there, when GM can get the same mileage out of a 6.0L which pushes 400hp/400tq (Which is quite a bit more than any of those other imports have stock) it shows quite a bit of "technology" on their part.
It was actually 26 mpg, and if thats US mpg that converts to 31 mpg Imp. I think I would have to see that with my own eyes to beleive a corvette would get 31 on the highway.
I have read how they do some of the gas mileage test as well, they are done at 90 km/h and the they restrict the amount of time it takes the vehicle to get to 90 as well. |
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| se-i |
quote:
Originally posted by mwdguy
thats because dodge v8's have always been pigs before the "hemi" was re introduced.
I know it suck have you ever saw the intake and exhaust setup on these things, they have to be the most restrictave things ever. I have heard of people gaining close to 1/3 the gas milage from doing just the 2. |
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| newaccorddriver |
quote:
Originally posted by Flex
It was actually 26 mpg, and if thats US mpg that converts to 31 mpg Imp. I think I would have to see that with my own eyes to beleive a corvette would get 31 on the highway.
I have read how they do some of the gas mileage test as well, they are done at 90 km/h and the they restrict the amount of time it takes the vehicle to get to 90 as well.
you should know that the the chances of you getting anywhere close to those EPA ratings on the gas milage of a car is almost impossible for the average person to do.
they were tested after all the engines are warmed up and it probably took 10 min just to reach 90km/h
although on the other hand, if anybody here waches topgear, one guy drove an audi a8 dieel for 800 miles on a single tank of diesel. even audi said that was impossible, but he barely made it. the only thing he said was it takes way too much thinking to get good gas mileage |
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| SketchifisT |
do we not remember back like 4 years ago, when it bein at 90 cents a litre consitantly was UNHEARD OF? i hope that u guys are old enuff to remember that.
Gas over the passed 10 years has gone up and thats partially due to the fact that all Oil operations in North America do not make as much oil as they used too. We make oil but we have to try a lot harder then say people over in the Middle East , which allows them to dictate the price, which is why US went over " in fear of weapons of mass destruction " to try and get control of oil over there. ( brief explination, writen papers on it and i dont want to speeeel on and on bout the oil and economy )
Either way gas mileage doesn't really matter , everyone is bout the same, unless u get a econo car or a small 4 banger, all v6 and v8s pretty much do bout the same mileage, and so forth. |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by colossus
Diesel's are false economy. A guy had his diesel in the shop to replace the brake pump... guess how much: $3500. How's that for inexpensive. That and diesel's are very finicky. One fuck up and you have an expensive repair...i.e. if you let it run out of fuel, or if you drive it without letting it warm/up and idle then you run the risk of damage to the engine. That's hardly user friendly for your average driver.:blink:
brake pump ? you mean the master cyclinder? what does that have to do with it being a diesel ? or are you talking about something like a lift pump ? |
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| tokes |
Last weekend we tested out the mileage on our 300C and on 55 litres we got 502 KM's worth of driving. That's like 22 MPG, which isn't bad AT ALL for a 4000 pound car plus passengers and shit in the trunk.
FWIW, a buddy of mine's Mom has a 2003 Z06, and on road trips she regularly averages over 30 MPG. |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by Mustard
American companies have been stuck with this facination for big engines, mainly cause they CAN...
The issue in europe and japan is getting the most from the least.
It's all about technology over there... i don't know how to discribe the technology here, because there is none.
Take for example Dodge's High End Performance Production car, The Viper. It's a rodster witha fucking TRUCK engine... PUSHROD V-10... hardly impressive, and disgustingly american.
False. The Viper is the original home of the V-10. It was built specifically for that car. Dodge did not offer the V-10 in the trucks (in cast iron, not aluminum like the viper) until at least 1994.
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but besides that, look at the "entry level" stuff... anything under a v-6 from the domestics is laughed at. They simply can't build/sell high output small engines. (i'll admit, they are FINALLY catching on with stuff like the SRT-4)
Sure they get 250horse out of the 3.5L to (sometimes) 4L V6, but is that really impressive?
FUCK NO! if they weren't getting AT LEAST that kinda power, i would swear i'd stepped into a time machine and gone BACK to the 1970's.
GM mid-market stuff... same deal.
Domestics don't have high output small engines? I believe you have been blinded by Honda HP #'s achieved @ 7000 RPM. Some people enjoy the low end torque of a Domestic engine moreso than having to rev to the moon to extract 100 hp/L.
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Then you check out the imports, and some of those things are getting 300+ hp out of a 2L engine... and not even a 6'er, and god damned 4 cyl!
Can you imagine what those guys could do with a V6??!! or 1 extra Litre?!
But thats the beauty of it, they DON'T add extra cylinders or more cubic inches for power... they tune the SHIT out of their stuff, they use technology, and work towards getting even MORE from LESS!
Remember the the late 80's early 90's turbo Dodges?
2.2/2.5L Turbo 4 cyl. engines that made 200-220 HP on pumpgas from the factory. Nobody wanted to step into the ring with them to create a market for this "new technology".
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Abroud, engines are getting smaller, but performance reamins unchained, and sometimes improved as time goes on.
In the "colonies", as it were, things are going backwards... bigger bigger bigger, it's all i see.
Thankfully, domestics are dying even in North America. I think it was on The Daily Show, of all places, i saw that the "big 3" were on a serious decline in popularity, while Toyota/Honda/Nissan what have you were expanding in leaps and bounds.
The best comment ever, was:
Of course none of this all matter, cause in 20 years we'll all be driving something under an alternative energy source, as much as guys like Klien don't want to believe it.
The end is near... and i for one, welcome it.
:)
Oh, btw, our gas is not expensive, you're just used to paying what it's worth, for a change.
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| Nightstalker |
| Um... Dodge had V10 for sure and I belive trucks aswell before the viper came out.. Thanks for trying to just tell people they are wrong though. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
Um... Dodge had V10 for sure and I belive trucks aswell before the viper came out.. Thanks for trying to just tell people they are wrong though.
Quoted from here.
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1994: ... Engine choices in the new Ram were impressive in their variety and power output, and even though some of them lost a few horsepower to emissions tuning, they still had best-in-class payload and towing ratings. The engines and their output were as follows: 3.9-liter, 175-horsepower V6; 5.2-liter, 220-horsepower V8; a pair of 5.9-liter, 230-horsepower V8s (one rated as heavy duty with more low-end torque); 5.9-liter Cummins Turbodiesel (with 175 horsepower and 420 ft-lbs of torque for manual transmissions and 160 horses/400 ft-lbs for automatics); and a new V10 with a huge 8.0 liters worth of displacement. The big V10 debuted halfway through the model year and belted out 300 horsepower and 450 ft.-lbs. of torque, making it the most powerful gasoline engine available in a pickup.
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by Pro Drag
Remember the the late 80's early 90's turbo Dodges?
2.2/2.5L Turbo 4 cyl. engines that made 200-220 HP on pumpgas from the factory. Nobody wanted to step into the ring with them to create a market for this "new technology".
For example dodge had a concept car used in a movie, it was a twin turbo 2.2L same engine straight out of a turbo daytona and such. Shoot a Turbo daytona could run with a vette. Anyhow the concept car was pushing out 440Hp....
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PPG Dodge Turbo Interceptor / M4S / The WraithBest known for role in The Wraith, the M4S / Dodge Turbo Interceptor is in storage at the Walter P. Chrysler museum (Derek Beland). The pace car was built by Chrysler and PPG for $1.5 million, and six additional copies were made for the movie filmed in 1986 outside of Tuscon, Arizona, starring Charlie Sheen and Nick Cassavettes. The car was rear wheel drive, with the basic 2.2 block topped by a Cosworth 16 valve, dual-cam head and fed by Bosch fuel injection with twin turbochargers (John Abram Cargo). Road & Track claimed 440 horsepower, 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, and a 12.9 second quarter mile; the mid-engine design was loosely Daytona-based.
Four still exist; one is at PPG headquarters, one is in a museum. A kit car with the same basic look was made for a while, using a different engine. It was shown at the 1986 Chicago Car Show. Reportedly, a 600 horsepower engine was installed in one copy.
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| mwdguy |
quote:
Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
For example dodge had a concept car used in a movie, it was a twin turbo 2.2L same engine straight out of a turbo daytona and such. Shoot a Turbo daytona could run with a vette. Anyhow the concept car was pushing out 440Hp....
a stock daytona couldnt keep up with a vette. I owned a turbo tona. They were no way vette calibre. I did however keep pace with many 5.0's |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by Supra_devil
a hemi is a motor with hemisperical heads.
everyone has had hemisherical heads on their motors.
the reason those v8 hemis suck gas back is because its a v8.
my "hemi" I6 gets 30mpg highway and mid-low twenties city driving quite spirited, and it the car has over 300,000 on it.
its all in the displacement.
your wrong...every engine does not have hemispherical heads. |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by mwdguy
a stock daytona couldnt keep up with a vette. I owned a turbo tona. They were no way vette calibre. I did however keep pace with many 5.0's
he wasn't talking about a stock daytona, he was talkin about a TT concept.... |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by dc2696
he wasn't talking about a stock daytona, he was talkin about a TT concept....
he says turbo daytona, not TT concept car
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
For example dodge had a concept car used in a movie, it was a twin turbo 2.2L same engine straight out of a turbo daytona and such. Shoot a Turbo daytona could run with a vette. Anyhow the concept car was pushing out 440Hp....
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by mwdguy
he says turbo daytona, not TT concept car
Ya.... mind you I was going off of hear say cause in the movie a Stock daytona kept up to a modified vette, and ppl called bs on it and other ppl said it was possible...
Persoanlly I could see it.. my shitbox 93 swift kept up to 5.0 Mustang GT's mainly cause I could do a 4k launch no prob and due to my lack of wieght, shoot my whole car probably wieghed the same as a mustand drive train, I took them on the launch and the first while, then they started to catch me. Hell back in my stupid days I took one from a 70km/h roll.
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your wrong...every engine does not have hemispherical heads.
I think it was ment every manufacture has put out a hemi engine at one point. |
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| Anonymoose |
| The car he was speaking of was a Dodge Wraith (aka the M4S). Do a Google search on it and you'll find a fair number of tidbits. |
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| REFLUX |
It's all in the marketing.
Gas prices seem high now but once you take a look across the ocean, you'll see that our prices are dirt cheap compared to Europe & Asia.
Something like $2/L.
I think the culture & geological location has a lot to do with it too.
Culture is heavily influenced by marketing.
Geological location: North America has such a low population density & the roads are so wide & long, vehicles are almost a necessity (unless you live in a city with excellent public transport).
There are so many other factors that affect why we are still using gas guzzling engines & why they sell in North America. |
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| ACX |
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Originally posted by Mustard
Thankfully, domestics are dying even in North America. I think it was on The Daily Show, of all places, i saw that the "big 3" were on a serious decline in popularity, while Toyota/Honda/Nissan what have you were expanding in leaps and bounds.
The best comment ever, was:
Of course none of this all matter, cause in 20 years we'll all be driving something under an alternative energy source, as much as guys like Klien don't want to believe it.
The end is near... and i for one, welcome it.
:)
Get your tinfoil hat back on and go back to the planet Xandar.
Have you seen Dailmer Chrylser's sales this year?
Through may of 05 - USA..
Daimler Chrysler. 2005 - 967,853 2004 - 926,646 up thanks in part to the cars mentioned in this thread.
Honda 2005 - 565,948 2004 - 569,923 Down slightly.
A I recall as of next model year ALL the 5.7 hemis (rams do not) will have the variable displacement, which of course assists in the comparative decent economy given the big displacement.
For those that are still in grade 2, if no one wanted them DCX would not be making them. The Lx cars are by all accounts a smashing success.
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| Z32NUT |
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Originally posted by colossus
Diesel's are false economy. A guy had his diesel in the shop to replace the brake pump... guess how much: $3500. How's that for inexpensive. That and diesel's are very finicky. One fuck up and you have an expensive repair...i.e. if you let it run out of fuel, or if you drive it without letting it warm/up and idle then you run the risk of damage to the engine. That's hardly user friendly for your average driver.:blink:
Let's see....
I'll assume that, unlike everyone else here who just seems to magazine themselves up on diesels, you're talking about an injection pump, you're damn right they're expensive. But consider that they do the same jobs all wrapped up into one as your distributor, injectors and fuel pump combined, which, by the way are pretty much trash if you run THEM out of fuel too.
I've never heard of damaging a diesel by start and go driving. Diesel fuel is more like an oil, lubricating the parts as it goes along. Gas is a solvent. I think you've been listening to Cummins owners too long that happen to like the sound of 50's technology rattling in the driveway for an hour at 7 in the morning.
As for the false economy, I bought my Golf TDi in late 99. I get roughly 30% better fuel economy than it 's most efficient stablemate, the 2.0L gasser. I paid about 3500 more to have the diesel under the hood. In 5 1/2 years, I've saved enough over the gas version to be able to do every mod I've ever wanted instead of putting that money in the tank. And that just happens to add up to alot more than 3500.
Going over 1000k's on a tank, even with all the performance mods, and then spending less to fill it up feels pretty real to me.:cool: |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by Pro Drag
Nobody wanted to step into the ring with them to create a market for this "new technology".
...that GM pioneered in the sixties, and Porsche took over in the 70's. Chrysler wasn't doing anything new with the turbo k-cars.
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Shoot a Turbo daytona could run with a vette.
:rolleyes:
Gasonline isn't going away. Not until the last drop is burned off. Instead, extracting oil and refining it will cost so much that only the upper crust will be able to afford it. This means, the majority of the market will be driving a lot less, making cars last longer, or simply get parked.
Auto manufacturers depend on the middle class, as they make up 90% or more of their customer base. If they can't afford to burn gas, the Auto makers will have to start selling them something that runs on something else. Something cheaper. So the Vipers will still suck back the fuel, but the Neon's will be runing on hydrogen, or biodiesel, or solar/battery, or hybrids of any of those things.
The average consumer will not be using fossil fuels in their cars in another 20 years. |
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| 93vg30e |
The fact about dodge's cummins diesel engines is that most of them get to an easy half a million km before they need to be rebuilt, or for that fact even minor engine work. Factor in yea they burn alot of fuel, they can pull or tow anything thats been built, they engines often outlast the body.
THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT
-you can build them up to 1000 ft Lb of torque and 800 hp easy with bolt on parts and plug in computer systems. I am sure you have all seen the nadp (north american diesel preformance) truck out at bud park and viewed it run high 12's |
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| Fergizzo |
| OK the domestic car companies have to be aware they are losing ground to imports. Why else would every second commercial on tv be sayin if you buy this shitty dodge/ford/ whatever, you'll get 20 cents off on gas for a year or what have you. Although a very clever marketing technique, it is quite sad. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by oldraven
...that GM pioneered in the sixties, and Porsche took over in the 70's. Chrysler wasn't doing anything new with the turbo k-cars.
Granted, Chrysler was not the first to implement the use of Turbo's in a production vehicle. Variable Nozzle Turbine (VNT) was however first brought to mass market by Chrysler. Look into it if you haven't already. Really cool idea that fell by the wayside. |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by Pro Drag
Granted, Chrysler was not the first to implement the use of Turbo's in a production vehicle. Variable Nozzle Turbine (VNT) was however first brought to mass market by Chrysler. Look into it if you haven't already. Really cool idea that fell by the wayside.
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| SilverNeonRacer |
| Heh ya the turbo Ks not a new Idea.. but they sure ran with it.. doesn't Chrysler still hold the so called record of the most produced turbo vehicles? |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
Heh ya the turbo Ks not a new Idea.. but they sure ran with it.. doesn't Chrysler still hold the so called record of the most produced turbo vehicles?
They also didn't have a future presidential candidate hell bent on destroying said car. |
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| ACX |
quote:
Originally posted by 93vg30e
[B]The fact about dodge's cummins diesel engines is that most of them get to an easy half a million km before they need to be rebuilt, or for that fact even minor engine work. Factor in yea they burn alot of fuel, they can pull or tow anything thats been built, they engines often outlast the body.
/B]
my uncles turbo diesel dodge gets better milage on the highway than my aunts hyundai santa fe.
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| Cobra_R |
diesel engines use lots of fuel:lol:
my dads truck f-250 6200 pounds gets 38 miles to the gallon.
even the ford techies where stunned |
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| mwdguy |
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_R
diesel engines use lots of fuel:lol:
my dads truck f-250 6200 pounds gets 38 miles to the gallon.
even the ford techies where stunned
BULLSHIT
maybe 18 or if he is empty 28 with a good wind behind him downhill
i know lots of guys with them, and with a chip the best most guys are getting is 20 -22 |
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| REDX2NV |
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_R
diesel engines use lots of fuel:lol:
my dads truck f-250 6200 pounds gets 38 miles to the gallon.
even the ford techies where stunned
Bullshit to the max, even my buddies saturn compact gets 35 mpg highway on a good day..
Dodge is doing an excellent job with their cars, wonder why 300c won car of the year?
Their hemi 300c has a higher rated hp than their original 426..
You wonder why they sell cars and GM cant, power=money! |
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| REDX2NV |
| Diesel engines are also 30-40% more efficient then your run of the mill gasjob, not to mention better for the enviroment.. |
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| Coconut84 |
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_R
I know this isnt really tuner related but.
why is dodge pumping out the HEMI engines there huge gas guzzling whores?
whats the point of releasing these engines ther are more efficent engones with power and hauling i mean most inline turbocharged 6 cylinders can out power these beasts and not only that but diesel engines are more efficent and if you seen a 2005 ford diesel there fast powerful and can tow more then any hemi can and its quiet and does not have a diesel gassy smell.
well i guess its true what they say
HP sells cars and torque wins races.
looks like we have a dodge hater here, we dude i have seen more fords in the ditch around ft mac area then i see on the roads, besides if u look at epa tests done on milage of 1 tonne trucks ford comes second last next to dogde, so get your hater status up to par. o yeah i will take ur mustang on any day with my srt4 bitch!:) :) |
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| Markgase2000 |
Thats very interesting
"REDX2NV Diesel engines are also 30-40% more efficient then your run of the mill gasjob, not to mention better for the enviroment.."
I keep hearing that is they dont change the emissions on diesals they are gonna have to stop producing them :dunno:
they may be more efficient as for what you get out of mpg and power but by no means are they more environmentally friendly.
But your not the only person that I hear they are more better for the environment alot of people figure they are more efficient for the environment but I dunno whenever I am around one thats running I get headaches and heartburn like sensations which I never get around gas jobs. Just my opinion tho from my own expiriences and from what I heard at work. |
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| Cobra_R |
| never mind it was 32 mpg and if you call that bs i laugh at you fords technology in there diesel engines is next to none there faster work harder they do not smell and are cheaper then any car out there. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
I know a guy who claims 28mpg unloaded on a new ram 3500.
My little diesel was supposed to get around 35mpg when I got it, factory rated at 45mpg, and thats a mini 4x4 truck.
When you don't see black smoke comming out of the tail pipe a diesel is better... when you do see black smoke, then it's not as the fuel is unburnt.
The main reason why ppl say diesel is better for the environment it cause if you take a 3/4ton truck gasser and a 3/4 ton truck same manufacture but diesel... drive them exactly the same and at the end of the day the diesel would have used less fuel. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_R
never mind it was 32 mpg and if you call that bs i laugh at you fords technology in there diesel engines is next to none there faster work harder they do not smell and are cheaper then any car out there.
Work harder.. faster... *cough* cough* bs *cough* A truck costing less that a car.. umm ya.. with a diesel.. umm ya....
VM has a diesel toureg.. it's about $100G's where as the gas one is $60-80Gs
Dodge the cummins is a $6000+ option.
On VW cars I know you pay extra for the diesel, how much I dunno.
I could start a brand war... but I'm not gonna |
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| REDX2NV |
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_R
never mind it was 32 mpg and if you call that bs i laugh at you fords technology in there diesel engines is next to none there faster work harder they do not smell and are cheaper then any car out there.
The 6.0L powerstroke is by the far the shittiest engine produced, every truck i have ever seen with them have consitent problems..
Dont beleive me, read here http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...;threadid=96838
Current diesel engines are dramatically more efficient than conventional gasoline engines in terms of both fuel economy and carbon dioxide emissions.
http://www.indiacar.com/infobank/diesel1.htm
Markgase, you complain too much. Regulated on road diesel vehicles are better for the enviroment, Prove me wrong.
Diesel is the way of the future and no doubt within 10-15 years half of all vehicles will be diesel powered.
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by Anonymoose
From autos.msn.com
Car / City / Hwy
'05 Chrysler 300C / 17mpg / 25mpg
'98 Toyota Supra TT / 17mpg / 23mpg
'96 Nissan 300ZX TT / 18mpg / 23mpg
'96 Dodge Stealth TT / 18mpg / 24mpg
'93 Mazda RX-7 TT / 17mpg / 24mpg
Hmm, more horsepower and torque with similar gas mileage. I don't see your point.
I'm not saying that the Hemi's are neccesarily gas guzzling, but I'm not seeing the point you're trying to make by comparing a 300C with v6 (or 2 rotor, close enough) cars 10 years older.
You're making the point that in 10 years we're still getting the same mileage? Or that in 10 years we've made a V8 burn gas like a 6 cylinder?
You can't be making the point that modern V8 gets the same mileage as a V6... unless you get modern V6s to compare with. So I took the liberty, from the same site (autos.msn.com)
'05 Mitsu Eclipse V6 / 20mpg / 28mpg
'05 Dodge Stratus V6 / 21mpg / 28mpg
'05 Ford Mustang V6 / 19mpg / 26.5mpg
'05 Nissan Altima V6 / 20mpg / 28.5mpg
I tried to pick a few that weren't in a completely different weight class as the 300C. Then just for the heck of it, a few 4s:
'05 Nissan Altima I4 / 23.5mpg / 30mpg
'05 Mitsu Eclipse I4 / 21.5mpg / 28.5mpg
'05 Dodge Stratus I4 / 22.5mpg / 30mpg
So when we're actually comparing identical fruit here we see.. what, that bigger motors take more gas? Well duh. |
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| mwdguy |
quote:
Originally posted by Markgase2000
Thats very interesting
"REDX2NV Diesel engines are also 30-40% more efficient then your run of the mill gasjob, not to mention better for the enviroment.."
I keep hearing that is they dont change the emissions on diesals they are gonna have to stop producing them :dunno:
they may be more efficient as for what you get out of mpg and power but by no means are they more environmentally friendly.
But your not the only person that I hear they are more better for the environment alot of people figure they are more efficient for the environment but I dunno whenever I am around one thats running I get headaches and heartburn like sensations which I never get around gas jobs. Just my opinion tho from my own expiriences and from what I heard at work.
well since 95 percent of t7he cars in europe are diesel i guess they dont know what they are doing. Also their emissions reg's are much stricter over there.
Our problem here is we dont have as good of quality of diesel here as they do.
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_R
never mind it was 32 mpg and if you call that bs i laugh at you fords technology in there diesel engines is next to none there faster work harder they do not smell and are cheaper then any car out there.
man you really have no clue.
Ford's powerdtroke is one of the shittiest diesels ever built. I have seen countless numbers of them in the garage after only getting less than 10 MPG. I have seen no less that 5 sent out of the bush on Highboys because they have died. with less than 5000 kms on them. In fact a guy i work with sent his out to the highway by Fort nelson and told the trucker to drop it off. on the side of the road. he then called ford and told them to come pick up their piece of shit truck, and they would be buying it back from him. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
quote:
Originally posted by DarrylBleau
I'm not saying that the Hemi's are neccesarily gas guzzling, but I'm not seeing the point you're trying to make by comparing a 300C with v6 (or 2 rotor, close enough) cars 10 years older.
You're making the point that in 10 years we're still getting the same mileage? Or that in 10 years we've made a V8 burn gas like a 6 cylinder?
You can't be making the point that modern V8 gets the same mileage as a V6... unless you get modern V6s to compare with. So I took the liberty, from the same site (autos.msn.com)
'05 Mitsu Eclipse V6 / 20mpg / 28mpg
'05 Dodge Stratus V6 / 21mpg / 28mpg
'05 Ford Mustang V6 / 19mpg / 26.5mpg
'05 Nissan Altima V6 / 20mpg / 28.5mpg
I tried to pick a few that weren't in a completely different weight class as the 300C. Then just for the heck of it, a few 4s:
'05 Nissan Altima I4 / 23.5mpg / 30mpg
'05 Mitsu Eclipse I4 / 21.5mpg / 28.5mpg
'05 Dodge Stratus I4 / 22.5mpg / 30mpg
So when we're actually comparing identical fruit here we see.. what, that bigger motors take more gas? Well duh.
Sorry for the long quote.. but my 318 v8 gets 22-26mpg highway and 8-16mpg city.. dpending how I drive it... if I drive how the factory prolly tested or as close to I can match the v6's and such. And mine's an 87.. I am actually getting these numbers.. not what was factory spec'd
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Car / City / Hwy
'05 Chrysler 300C / 17mpg / 25mpg
'98 Toyota Supra TT / 17mpg / 23mpg
'96 Nissan 300ZX TT / 18mpg / 23mpg
'96 Dodge Stealth TT / 18mpg / 24mpg
'93 Mazda RX-7 TT / 17mpg / 24mpg
Hows them apples? |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
Hows them apples?
Unsanitary? :) |
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| Cobra_R |
quote:
Originally posted by Coconut84
looks like we have a dodge hater here, we dude i have seen more fords in the ditch around ft mac area then i see on the roads, besides if u look at epa tests done on milage of 1 tonne trucks ford comes second last next to dogde, so get your hater status up to par. o yeah i will take ur mustang on any day with my srt4 bitch!:) :)
yeah and i got a perfect explanation for that
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article...893&src=GBT
theres over twice as many fords on the road then dodge rams
Calendar 2004 was the 22nd year in which the F-150 has been the best-selling vehicle in America, and the truck had its best sales year ever with 939,511 units sold. This eclipsed the old record of 912,000 units. The 2004 F-150 sales numbers are even higher than the combined sales of the Chevrolet Silverado and its GMC Sierra twin.
22 years in a row
and i dont drive the a mustang i drive the diesel it has more balls then most anything on the road its funny you pull up to some dumbass with a civic and hes revving his engine and you step on it a little till the turbo spools and he shuts the fuck up. and to diesels being loud and stinky ford has a quieter diesel and the exhaust does not smell as bad as a dodge. dodges are noisy chevs are noiseier. and a diesels rpm peaks quicker then a gasoline engine. so you get more power quicker. |
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| mwdguy |
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_R
yeah and i got a perfect explanation for that
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article...893&src=GBT
theres over twice as many fords on the road then dodge rams
Calendar 2004 was the 22nd year in which the F-150 has been the best-selling vehicle in America, and the truck had its best sales year ever with 939,511 units sold. This eclipsed the old record of 912,000 units. The 2004 F-150 sales numbers are even higher than the combined sales of the Chevrolet Silverado and its GMC Sierra twin.
22 years in a row
and i dont drive the a mustang i drive the diesel it has more balls then most anything on the road its funny you pull up to some dumbass with a civic and hes revving his engine and you step on it a little till the turbo spools and he shuts the fuck up. and to diesels being loud and stinky ford has a quieter diesel and the exhaust does not smell as bad as a dodge. dodges are noisy chevs are noiseier. and a diesels rpm peaks quicker then a gasoline engine. so you get more power quicker.
sorry to burst your bubble but the new cummins is the quietest of the big three. I pulled up beside an idling cummins with my gas work truck and my gas truck was louder.
oh yeah ... driving your daddy's truck doesnt count.
seriously kid ... you should open your mind and quit gobbling up the bullshit your daddy tells you. |
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| Cobra_R |
quote:
Originally posted by mwdguy
man you really have no clue.
Ford's powerdtroke is one of the shittiest diesels ever built. I have seen countless numbers of them in the garage after only getting less than 10 MPG.
yeah your more likely referring to the 7.3 liter without the torqueshift transmission.
i got a 6.0 liter with the torque shift and i do get 32 miles to the gallon. you dont beleive me then you drive the truck.
and you work in a garage your gonna see more ford trucks come in then anything else there are more ford f-series pickups in alberta then anything else.
and dont shove words in my mouth i know it gets 32 to the gallon we drove from edmonton to radium hotsprings on a tank of gas we were coming in on fumes 32 mpg uphill. downhill we got 38 mpg and had to top off in edmonton.
i know how many mpg the truck gets in the city it might get 28 mpg 27 but thats what i get and what i know dont call bs cause i have a efficient engine. that outhauls every other vehicle i know
at nadp day i wanna test the performance. on the track. and then find some rice boy civics to humiliate at the track. |
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| Cobra_R |
yeah how often do you go work construction or go camping or up to the mountains
I do construction i see work trucks and even cummins owners say there vehicles are the noisiest things ever.
go find a decible rating like i did if i had the link it would show.
and also the truck was in idle:lol: diesels are louder when the engine revs up.
"driving your daddy's truck doesnt count"
I am still driving how does it not count :dunno: |
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| mwdguy |
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_R
yeah how often do you go work construction or go camping or up to the mountains
I do construction i see work trucks and even cummins owners say there vehicles are the noisiest things ever.
go find a decible rating like i did if i had the link it would show.
and also the truck was in idle:lol: diesels are louder when the engine revs up.
"driving your daddy's truck doesnt count"
I am still driving how does it not count :dunno:
i work in the oilfield junior i see lots of miles all over western canada, mountains you name it.
personally i could give a shit if its quiet, if i wanted a quiet vehicle, i would buy a honda (no offence to honda owners) but i dont, i would rather have stump pulling power.
so what kinda mods does daddy have done to his truck ? because no stock truck is getting that kinda MPG |
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| Cobra_R |
none
ford is baffled with it as we are
but i thought getting 30 mpg in that truck was normal:dunno:
factory from ford |
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| mwdguy |
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_R
none
ford is baffled with it as we are
but i thought getting 30 mpg in that truck was normal:dunno:
factory from ford
nopedefinately not normal ... 15 maybe, but i have seen some as low as 9 or 10 |
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| Cobra_R |
| are they 6.0 or 7.3? we got a 6.0 it hauls more ass then 7.3 with less engine. |
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| mwdguy |
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_R
are they 6.0 or 7.3? we got a 6.0 it hauls more ass then 7.3 with less engine.
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| SilverNeonRacer |
I think the new chev diesels are the quietest. I have a mini diesel.. it died.. I'm replacing it with another diesel.. I don't want quiet.. I want ppl to know I'm driving a diesel and I mean business.
As far as milage goes.. I've only ever driven dodge and mitsu diesels and I've heard some chev ones.. can't remember ford's. |
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| Cobra_R |
oh shit oops
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
the odo measures in kilometers :mad: :mad:
so in reallty i get 32 kms to the gallon how many miles is that exactly?
to many of these :beer: on canada day. |
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| mwdguy |
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_R
oh shit oops
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
the odo measures in kilometers :mad: :mad:
so in reallty i get 32 kms to the gallon how many miles is that exactly?
to many of these :beer: on canada day.
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| Cobra_R |
ok i am gonna have to see but somethins not right here ford is baffled i think it measures in miles but beleive its km
if it is like 15 mpg i am doing the following.
1) asking ford wtf they are baffled about
2) asking ford why the americans cant use metric
3) gonna start talking about modding the truck. |
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| REDX2NV |
quote:
Originally posted by mwdguy
well since 95 percent of t7he cars in europe are diesel i guess they dont know what they are doing. Also their emissions reg's are much stricter over there.
Our problem here is we dont have as good of quality of diesel here as they do.
man you really have no clue.
Ford's powerdtroke is one of the shittiest diesels ever built. I have seen countless numbers of them in the garage after only getting less than 10 MPG. I have seen no less that 5 sent out of the bush on Highboys because they have died. with less than 5000 kms on them. In fact a guy i work with sent his out to the highway by Fort nelson and told the trucker to drop it off. on the side of the road. he then called ford and told them to come pick up their piece of shit truck, and they would be buying it back from him.
They just built and addition to the shell refinery off meridian street to meet the 2007 standarts for diesel fuel and reduce the sulfur amount in it.
Also, kid... I've seen many a powerstroke 6.0L and everywhere i worked that had one has been absolutely nothing but problems.. They are junk, and i would be ashamed of myself spending so much on that POS.. |
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| Z32NUT |
quote:
Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
I think the new chev diesels are the quietest. I have a mini diesel.. it died.. I'm replacing it with another diesel.. I don't want quiet.. I want ppl to know I'm driving a diesel and I mean business.
Which is why most people hate diesels. :mad:
I had a neighbor with a cummins ratllecrap under the hood and when he started it up at 5:30am for 1/2 hour before he took off in a blue puff of smoke I wanted to go and pour some regular gas into it just to shut it up. I'm sure none of his other neighbors would've complained.
In my small personal opinion, people who need loud, overbearing vehicles to prop themselves up are in need of good therapy. |
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| Coconut84 |
quote:
Originally posted by DarrylBleau
Unsanitary? :)
u drive a dodge is it chipped?, well there was a guy on the whyte mud a few days ago and he was nudging me on, so i rolled down my window and complimented his fat off road for tires, he didnt like that so much and said u know what i want! i pulled off and drove thru mcdonalds as suspected he followed, then i pulled on to mud again so did he, by this time i was getting pissed off so i pulled on him by 3 car lenghts in 4th and thought that was it, he got what he had comming. then the bastard got on me again, so i turned off on 170th and lost him in traffic. dont underestimate small cars pal. |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by Coconut84
u drive a dodge is it chipped?, well there was a guy on the whyte mud a few days ago and he was nudging me on, so i rolled down my window and complimented his fat off road for tires, he didnt like that so much and said u know what i want! i pulled off and drove thru mcdonalds as suspected he followed, then i pulled on to mud again so did he, by this time i was getting pissed off so i pulled on him by 3 car lenghts in 4th and thought that was it, he got what he had comming. then the bastard got on me again, so i turned off on 170th and lost him in traffic. dont underestimate small cars pal.
Uh? Ok. You lost me there someplace. Was there some sort of point here? |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
quote:
Originally posted by DarrylBleau
Uh? Ok. You lost me there someplace. Was there some sort of point here?
I think he ment some ram prolly a diesel with mudders wanted to race him and that small cars are just as good as big trucks.
As far as the loud diesel bit goes.... I didn't mean as in that loud, but louder so you know it's a diesel.
Like the new liberty diesels... just as quiet as a gasser liberty.. I drove one around and was quiet disappointed it was an ATX and was that quiet.
My diesel truck was just a touch louder than the fifth at idle, and the fifth right now all you really hear it the fan, but when I rev'd her up and her working, she sounded like a mini semi. |
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| REDX2NV |
quote:
Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
I think he ment some ram prolly a diesel with mudders wanted to race him and that small cars are just as good as big trucks.
As far as the loud diesel bit goes.... I didn't mean as in that loud, but louder so you know it's a diesel.
Like the new liberty diesels... just as quiet as a gasser liberty.. I drove one around and was quiet disappointed it was an ATX and was that quiet.
My diesel truck was just a touch louder than the fifth at idle, and the fifth right now all you really hear it the fan, but when I rev'd her up and her working, she sounded like a mini semi.
Why do people care about the noise so much, almost everyone on here has fart cannons(myself included).
Why would you compare a small car to a diesel, they are built to do work rather than commute. |
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| Anonymoose |
quote:
Originally posted by DarrylBleau
I'm not saying that the Hemi's are neccesarily gas guzzling, but I'm not seeing the point you're trying to make by comparing a 300C with v6 (or 2 rotor, close enough) cars 10 years older.
You're making the point that in 10 years we're still getting the same mileage? Or that in 10 years we've made a V8 burn gas like a 6 cylinder?
You can't be making the point that modern V8 gets the same mileage as a V6... unless you get modern V6s to compare with. So I took the liberty, from the same site (autos.msn.com)
'05 Mitsu Eclipse V6 / 20mpg / 28mpg
'05 Dodge Stratus V6 / 21mpg / 28mpg
'05 Ford Mustang V6 / 19mpg / 26.5mpg
'05 Nissan Altima V6 / 20mpg / 28.5mpg
I tried to pick a few that weren't in a completely different weight class as the 300C. Then just for the heck of it, a few 4s:
'05 Nissan Altima I4 / 23.5mpg / 30mpg
'05 Mitsu Eclipse I4 / 21.5mpg / 28.5mpg
'05 Dodge Stratus I4 / 22.5mpg / 30mpg
So when we're actually comparing identical fruit here we see.. what, that bigger motors take more gas? Well duh.
I was just trying to show the comparison between the fuel efficiency of the Hemi vs 6-cylinders in response to "whats the point of releasing these engines ther are more efficent engones with power and hauling i mean most inline turbocharged 6 cylinders?".
Just because an engine has fewer cylinders, it doesn't always equal better mileage. |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by Anonymoose
I was just trying to show the comparison between the fuel efficiency of the Hemi vs 6-cylinders in response to "whats the point of releasing these engines ther are more efficent engones with power and hauling i mean most inline turbocharged 6 cylinders?".
Just because an engine has fewer cylinders, it doesn't always equal better mileage.
Ok, but then you picked cars 10 years older... and sports cars (where fuel efficiency isn't always the order of the day) to boot.
I agree with your statement I'm just saying that it was a bad way to make the argument. |
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| Markgase2000 |
| Ill believe the 6.0's are junk when we stop selling hundreds of them a pop. If they is junk the oil patch would buy something BETTER but they are the better product all around (FACT) I think the proof is in the numbers , the sales numbers......... These trucks were tested and proven at the proving grounds versus Duramax and Cummins. Since I have drove all 3 I can have an opinion/prefference. As for fuel economy :dunno: they drink what they need to do the job....... |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
My neighbour works oil patch.. he has a 4x4 ford(company truck) it's diesel I'm pretty sure..the exhaust keeps busting/cracking, they're having that issue on alot of their ford trucks.
Seems like they need some flex pipes installed not all hard pipe. |
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| Cobra_R |
| well parents got home from camping i stayed to party this weekend and on the highway the truck gets 32 MILES to the gallon pulling nothing and and around 26-28 pulling the fifth wheel. |
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| mwdguy |
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_R
well parents got home from camping i stayed to party this weekend and on the highway the truck gets 32 MILES to the gallon pulling nothing and and around 26-28 pulling the fifth wheel.
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| SketchifisT |
| thats a touch hard to believe, maybe 32 kms to the gallon even then thats hard to believe. But meh , ask him again those are some super numbers , i think u may have just gotten some of the info mixed? |
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| mwdguy |
quote:
Originally posted by SketchifisT
thats a touch hard to believe, maybe 32 kms to the gallon even then thats hard to believe. But meh , ask him again those are some super numbers , i think u may have just gotten some of the info mixed?
thats what i am thinking.
especially since UNLOADED chipped diesel which my coworker drives only gets 22 when he cruises at 110 or so. |
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| NATO |
too lazy to read all the pages, but I'm going to go ahead and list my MPG for you.
Car: 1989 Honda CRX Si w/216,000kms
City MPG: average of about 35
Hiway MPG: 44
This is a very consistant number for me. I basically put 35L into my tank before it starts to show in the top of the filler neck, and I drive it ususally 520kms or so around town before I need to put another 35L in. The last hiway trip I did I got a little over 700kms on my first tank, and put about 40L into the tank to top it off again.
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| SilverZ24 |
Just to fuel the GM vs Ford vs Dodge diesel fire a bit more, at work we buy about 500 diesel trucks a year. The percentage of GM vs Ford vs Dodge varies from year to year and it determined by
1. What our customers want to rent
2. What spends the least time in the shop
3. What has the best resale
For the past 2 years, our fleet has been about 95% Ford. Resale is definitely the best after 6-12 months. Customers ask for Ford more often then Dodge or GM, especially the further north the trucks will be. (Diamond mine company's claim Fords are the most reliable at minus 40-50)
And although Ford had a few bugs when the 6 Liter powerstroke came out, they spend by far the least amount of time in the shop compared to the GM and Dodge diesels. And one nice thing about Ford is they always do repairs under warranty. GM is especially bad for trying to get out of covering repairs. With as many trucks as we have, we don't have time to deal with that.
With Dodge, peoples complaints usually aren't with the engine but with the rest of the truck. They just aren't very popular.
Anyway, this is just what I see working for a truck rental company. :) |
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| Anonymoose |
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Originally posted by DarrylBleau
Ok, but then you picked cars 10 years older... and sports cars (where fuel efficiency isn't always the order of the day) to boot.
I agree with your statement I'm just saying that it was a bad way to make the argument.
True, but it was pretty hard to find a decent list of current turbocharged 6-cylinders. Perhaps if I looked towards Volvo... But after that, the choices seem limited. As for using sports cars, there are once again a very limited number of turbocharged 6-cylinders to use as examples that aren't in sports cars.
I'll add this one to the list though, since its intended for the same market as the 300C:
'05 Volvo S80 T6 / 18 mpg / 26 mpg |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by SilverZ24
Just to fuel the GM vs Ford vs Dodge diesel fire a bit more, at work we buy about 500 diesel trucks a year. The percentage of GM vs Ford vs Dodge varies from year to year and it determined by
1. What our customers want to rent
2. What spends the least time in the shop
3. What has the best resale
For the past 2 years, our fleet has been about 95% Ford. Resale is definitely the best after 6-12 months. Customers ask for Ford more often then Dodge or GM, especially the further north the trucks will be. (Diamond mine company's claim Fords are the most reliable at minus 40-50)
And although Ford had a few bugs when the 6 Liter powerstroke came out, they spend by far the least amount of time in the shop compared to the GM and Dodge diesels. And one nice thing about Ford is they always do repairs under warranty. GM is especially bad for trying to get out of covering repairs. With as many trucks as we have, we don't have time to deal with that.
With Dodge, peoples complaints usually aren't with the engine but with the rest of the truck. They just aren't very popular.
Anyway, this is just what I see working for a truck rental company. :)
AMEN! I work for Ford and we keep selling these thing as our 1# selling machines. The PSD trucks are our bread and butter .... They have a wide range of fuel economy depending on driver behaviour. Ive never seen 30+ mpg fuel economy though and some tecs at work will agree its not the most fuel efficient of the 3. I also dont get as sick/queezy around them as say a dodge or chev or even a TDI golf. |
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| Cobra_R |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
AMEN! I work for Ford and we keep selling these thing as our 1# selling machines. The PSD trucks are our bread and butter .... They have a wide range of fuel economy depending on driver behaviour. Ive never seen 30+ mpg fuel economy though and some tecs at work will agree its not the most fuel efficient of the 3. I also dont get as sick/queezy around them as say a dodge or chev or even a TDI golf.
what ford dealership do you work for?
and to confirm it it is in miles not kilometers. |
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| Cobra_R |
| the truck in question just clicked over 1000km in the summer of 04 and we broke it in in the mountains where we put 1500 km on it and it was pulling our fifth wheel. |
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| Tyangelo |
| It all will come down to how you drive it too, if it's floored or nothing all the time, you'll make shitty milage all around anyways. New cars have to meet emmision standards that are a lot stricter than they used to be. In my opinion, Dodge is king, except for the the fact that they now have a fuckin truck with a spoiler on it now..... What the hell were they smokin....:beer: :thumbup: :asshole: |
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| chris f |
lots of miss information out there. Diesel engines are killer to fix, they last longer but parts are expensive. a "brake pump" is a vacuume pump for brake assist. diesel engines make no vacuume, so a pump is needed for the booster to work. anther way of doing this is hydra assist, it works off the pressure from the power stering system. With the age of eletronic fuel injection for diesel engines, price to repair them is high. anyone that has experance with fuel injection kant even fathem how complacated commion rail diesel injection is. on the Mercedes 2.7 cdi you could do a compession test with the engine ecm, no high pressure sensors on bord to do this. it used known factors that are controled all the time. I had to replace a wireing harness in one, 664 wires for the engine. nuts
Very few engines are true Hemi design, most common in late model cars is the pent roof head.
in the picture you can see how the piston has the same shape as the head, and how they fit together. this is what made the 426 a legand. |
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