| My Car Is Back Home!!!! - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| mwdguy |
not my thing ... but as long as you like it its what counts
looks like they did a decent job. Congrats |
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| DeathBy240 |
| Eww take it back! Or at least get some sides and a rear. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| yea id have to agree...why start with something so obvious...i woulda started with some rims atleast, a stock Esi at that with a lonely front bumper it just looks kinda tacky...it would look great with its counter parts, the sides and back. |
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| silvermist |
| so who did you finaly get to install and paint it. |
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| 90teg |
| im taking it slowly ... one part at a time. im not going to let it sit at my house... or im not going to wait to save up money to buy the hole kit and put it on. bits a peices. |
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| stealth |
| Looks good, do you mind pm'ing me the price it cost, and who did it? |
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| kypraio |
Not a fan, it makes like a shelf in the front of your car it sticks out so far.
-Matt |
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| Gary |
| some peoples kids.....:confused: |
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| oldraven |
Well, it's your car. :dunno:
Personally, I don't think that compliments the lines of the car at all. Far too much going on, and too edgy, for such a smooth car. The clip on the orange one in your sig is much more like it.
Anyway, I hope you like it. And yes, it was quite well done. The paint match looks perfect. |
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| beatshack |
i think with skirts and bumper it would not look as out of place - and some 18's would help the look alot too :)
90teg - is your talon a DSM? when you open your drivers side door, check right beside the seat belt, if it was made at Diamond Star it will say on a little white sticker.
some 95's are and some aren't.. just curious |
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| 90teg |
| ya mine is a dsm. but as for the kit. I will be getting the blitz side and back. also putting some black rims. this is a works in prog. of course its not going to look right the first couple of months. at least im not really gay to put my kit on and not paint it at all. all the curves will match up after im done |
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| n0c7 |
quote: Originally posted by beatshack
i think with skirts and bumper it would not look as out of place - and some 18's would help the look alot too :)
90teg - is your talon a DSM? when you open your drivers side door, check right beside the seat belt, if it was made at Diamond Star it will say on a little white sticker.
some 95's are and some aren't.. just curious
You sure on that? Check this - http://members.shaw.ca/costall/1000...re2gsreallydsms |
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| beatshack |
yeah i've read that whole faq before... i think its a typo where it says 3G (1995+).. it should say 1999+ as a 95 talon is considered a 2g.
i think when its talking about 3G it is talking about the new(er) eclipses and spyders with the door grooves.
EDIT: oh yeah i see the section now.. hmm interesting that means even my car my not have been built at Diamond Star, even though it says "manufactured at Diamond Star Motors Corp" :rolleyes:
sneaky bastards |
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| Mustard |
quote: Personally, I don't think that compliments the lines of the car at all. Far too much going on, and too edgy, for such a smooth car. The clip on the orange one in your sig is much more like it.
Amen...
you ruined the natural lines... it's ok to do so when you ruin all the lines, and create new ones (whole kit)
but you said yerself you can't afford it... which is obviously true... cause if you could, you wouldn't have left it like that.
but what do we know... i mean, REALLY. |
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| n0c7 |
quote: Originally posted by beatshack
yeah i've read that whole faq before... i think its a typo where it says 3G (1995+).. it should say 1999+ as a 95 talon is considered a 2g.
i think when its talking about 3G it is talking about the new(er) eclipses and spyders with the door grooves.
EDIT: oh yeah i see the section now.. hmm interesting that means even my car my not have been built at Diamond Star, even though it says "manufactured at Diamond Star Motors Corp" :rolleyes:
sneaky bastards
It confused the shit outta me. I think its safe to say all 1g and 2g's are DSM's, regardless, they share the same parts and names, its all good. :beer: Btw 90teg, I agree you need the rest of the kit but we all have to start somewhere, it'll look good. If you need any help gimme a shout, I've almost torn my eclipse down to the bone more than once(except the engine). |
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| red88.n/a.rx |
| yah the install and paint look good but damn lloks like the car has a lift kit its riding so high |
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| 90teg |
ahah ya the wheel wells on these cars are soooooooo big .. the car is low but the wheel wells make it looke high :dunno:
19" rims |
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| bluecargirl666 |
after looking at those pics. i totally know where u live..
maybe blot out the house addy? |
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| 90teg |
| AHAH LOL - thats not my house.. its my friends :p |
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| bigmack000 |
hmm after looking at the pics the word disgorge comes to mind.  |
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| 90teg |
LOve all these posts. cause i dont care. its my car. :blue:
and the funny thing is you car is riced out too :lol: |
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| lilweiner |
| instead of starting the body kit you should have lowered it, or saved up for some wheels. But hey we all gotta start somewhere, and i have a shitty 89 cav so what the fuck do i know. But your car will look good when its all said and done. |
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| bigmack000 |
quote: Originally posted by 90teg
LOve all these posts. cause i dont care. its my car. :blue:
and the funny thing is you car is riced out too :lol:
wtf are you talking about. i drive a STOCK jeep TJ.
and if you say my car is your wrong again  |
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| n0c7 |
| Maybe cuz its yellow, everything is rice nowadays. :dunno: lol |
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| lilweiner |
quote: Originally posted by bigmack000
wtf are you talking about. i drive a STOCK jeep TJ.
and if you say my car is your wrong again
holy shit that is rice for shure... look at that sticker on the windshield... RICE!!!!!!! fucking thing doesnt even have a hood or front fenders... so much rice to choose from, looks like long grain to me! |
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| oldraven |
Stock Turbocoupe with only performance mods, and shaved emblems.
C-10 with a 383 stroker and shaved emblems.
Stock Cherokee Limited 4.0LHO.
Nothing rice about that list, buddy. |
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| beatshack |
| this is a bit of a hijack but, bigmack, sell me that oil cooler! |
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| lilweiner |
| is that a shop vac!!!! in an orange pail????? WTF !!!! rice man... thats just rice... |
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| beatshack |
| wtf? lol what are you talkin about weiner? hehaha u guys are just getting straight up weird now hehehe |
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| lilweiner |
quote: Originally posted by beatshack
wtf? lol what are you talkin about weiner? hehaha u guys are just getting straight up weird now hehehe
I know, can you believe the crazy bitch has a big bag of salt in his garage too.... I still dont know if its a big enough bag to flavour all the rice coming out of that garage.. although he did get the bag to match his car. |
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| bigmack000 |
ummthe oil coller is pretty beat up.
and none of that stuff is mine the cars at my gramps house thats all his shit. and the salt is for his side walk in the winter |
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| Shag_86 |
| yo guy looking frsh can wait to cruz past u:bthumbup: |
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| 90teg |
| For the ppl that understand me or no that it’s not the end of what I’m doing or no that I don’t care if its rice. Thanks :). But to the ppl that wants to call my car rice bla bla bla and have a car that is rice to. You guys are fags. Nothing better to do then judge. :mad: |
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| DeathBy240 |
| Dude you posted your car up so people could judge it, you gotta live with what they say. Doesn't make them homosexuals. |
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| SketchifisT |
Well first off im never a fan of doin the body kit first, just looks WEIRD. My vote is always do everything else first, setup the rims exhaust and then, SAVE UP AND DO THE WHOLE KIT AT ONCE. Most stuff doesn't look good half done, either way its your car and im not a fan of what you have done , but its your car. SOme of my favorite DSM have nothing done cause there lines do the work for them and the other ones that are changed, do not hinder what is already there, they accent it.
Whatever you car , do as you wish but understand that when you do something to YOUR car, it doesn't mean that everyone else will be like HOT DAYAM SON THAT IS SO PIZZZIMP , or goin w000t thats so l333ts@uc3 i ph34r it .
I built a sleeper look and everything i do is made to make my car not stand out. It stands out by doin that cause its different. So before you carry on think that out. If u just do whateveryone else does and slap a huge kit on, you will get the typical RICE looks and a pffft answer from 3/4 of the people. I dont want to rag on you, so ima stop. but just understand a lot of people dont like a lot of car mods , especially body kits that stick out and change the natural look of the ride |
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| 90teg |
see thats all fine with me. cant please the world. but its the ppl with the same stuff that call other ppl ricers. see you prob have a cleaner looking car with lots of mods under the hood. so you can call any one with a body kit a ricer.. but if its like someone that has it and then goes around calln ppl ricer.. that pisses me off.
anything is rice now adays. even CF hoods. or decals . or a wing.
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| DomesticDrifter |
quote: Originally posted by 90teg
see thats all fine with me. cant please the world. but its the ppl with the same stuff that call other ppl ricers. see you prob have a cleaner looking car with lots of mods under the hood. so you can call any one with a body kit a ricer.. but if its like someone that has it and then goes around calln ppl ricer.. that pisses me off.
anything is rice now adays. even CF hoods. or decals . or a wing.
anything
hasn't decals and big wings been rice since the 1990's:dunno:??? one thing that i hate is people who only put 1/2 a bodykit on a car, i think it gives the tuner sceen a bad rep. espcially massive front bumpers that probably weigh more then stock, and actually slow down the car because they are heavy and produce more drag byalter the cars areodynamics.
i agree with SketchifisT that you need to have a solid foundation, rims, exahust, maybe springs or coilovers before you start putting on bodykits otherwise the car will just look stupid. in your case you really need to put on some rims, or at least find some factory tsi wheels and get them on the car asap, because it just looks bad/cheap with out them.
ps - you should buy this |
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| lilweiner |
| stop spending all your money on weed and get some rims.. |
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| Tony_TSi |
quote: Originally posted by DomesticDrifter
hasn't decals and big wings been rice since the 1990's:dunno:??? one thing that i hate is people who only put 1/2 a bodykit on a car, i think it gives the tuner sceen a bad rep. espcially massive front bumpers that probably weigh more then stock, and actually slow down the car because they are heave and produce more drag and alter the cars areodynamics.
i agree with SketchifisT that you need to have a solid foundation, rims, exahust, maybe springs or coilovers before you start putting on bodykits otherwise the car will just look stupid. in your case you really need to put on some rims, or at least find some factory tsi wheels and get them on the car asap, because it just looks bad/cheap with out them.
ps - you should buy this
you cannot swap that motor into an n/a 2g. It is NOT a direct drop. There is a lot of difference in the motor mounts and in the wiring itself. The n/a 2g dsm's came with the 420A chrylser neon motor. If you look under the hood, the timing belt is on the passenger side whereas in the 4g63t motor its on the driver side....the whole motor is turned around 180 degrees.
It IS theoretically possible to do such a swap, BUT there is a LOT of custom fabrication/money/time involved and its usually not worth it. Very very few people have actually done this swap |
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| SketchifisT |
a OEM CF hood is never considered rice if done properly. It just sticks out more. The Rice hoods are the weird ass vader ones or what not that have non function scoops and bumps and so forth.
A proper wing that actually helps the car stay on the road at high speeds is never rice, however when you have a daily driver with a massive ass wing, i highly doubt its there for high speeds.
either way i vote get some RIMS , lower it, get a nice exhaust get some pop out of the engine, THEN save all your money and finish the kit all at once. |
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| DomesticDrifter |
quote: Originally posted by Tony_TSi
you cannot swap that motor into an n/a 2g. It is NOT a direct drop. There is a lot of difference in the motor mounts and in the wiring itself. The n/a 2g dsm's came with the 420A chrylser neon motor. If you look under the hood, the timing belt is on the passenger side whereas in the 4g63t motor its on the driver side....the whole motor is turned around 180 degrees.
It IS theoretically possible to do such a swap, BUT there is a LOT of custom fabrication/money/time involved and its usually not worth it. Very very few people have actually done this swap
i knew it was a hard swap, not like a sr20 into a 240 but i didn't realize it was that tuff! so now my vote is for him to sell his car and buy a tsi |
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| Tony_TSi |
| thats what most n/a 2g dsm owners do if they want to go fast. custom turbo kits are just expensive, and you cannot boost past a certain point due to a lack of forged internals |
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| 90teg |
SOME MORE RICE POPED ON MY CAR :eek:

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| SketchifisT |
| why red??? do u plan to paint your car a different color? to me that doesn't even match at all?? |
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| 90teg |
Im doing red N crome motor, red, interior, and green and black out side. with red decals. i made this little cartoon on how i want it to look like  |
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| Mustard |
OMG ROFL!!
you post pictures of a car, asking what people think, and people tell you they don't like it.
But instead of listening and taking the critism you asked for (and deserve) you tell them they are fags, and that you have bigger plans...and follow up with a cartoon picture of your "goal"
WHICH CONTAINS, lol, a ghetto leaning driver which i'm laughing even harder at cause i know, i JUST KNOW you actually DO drive like that ALREADY.
But what really kills me, is the cartoon you posted has a full body kit containing a completely different looking front end then the one you installed...
:bthumbup:
nice work d00d...
real rocket surgeon quality there. |
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| 90teg |
| please. ill take you on any race track and kill you . i bet im a way better driver then you. also thats the color skeem dum ass. i didnt says whats on it. im not putting that wing. (COLOR) !!!! |
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| charlieboi |
quote: Originally posted by Mustard
OMG ROFL!!
you post pictures of a car, asking what people think, and people tell you they don't like it.
But instead of listening and taking the critism you asked for (and deserve) you tell them they are fags, and that you have bigger plans...and follow up with a cartoon picture of your "goal"
WHICH CONTAINS, lol, a ghetto leaning driver which i'm laughing even harder at cause i know, i JUST KNOW you actually DO drive like that ALREADY.
But what really kills me, is the cartoon you posted has a full body kit containing a completely different looking front end then the one you installed...
:bthumbup:
nice work d00d...
real rocket surgeon quality there.
post a picture of ur car then :asshole: |
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| Mustard |
i don't have any pics of my car, but heres a cartoon of what i want it to look like.
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| bigmack000 |
ROFL! ^^^ thats a good one.
quote: please. ill take you on any race track and kill you . i bet im a way better driver then you
OMG i jsut spat milk all over the place that is some funny shit you delusional TWIT! how long have you been driving ? my guess is like a year ! I love how when you get some heat now your magicaly a pro driver :lol: thats classic. I bet you can barly controll the 140 if that hp the esi makes let alone a real car.
i think you need to take off your rose colored glasses LIL bow wow and crawl back into your fast food bag that you call a life.
If you dont want to hear what we have to say be it good or bad get the fuck off 780 then simple as that.
have a good day :asshole: |
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| DomesticDrifter |
[IMG] [/IMG] |
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| shorti |
quote: Originally posted by 90teg
SOME MORE RICE POPED ON MY CAR :eek:

lol
You sure got that right. Have you ever heard of masking tape? |
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| SketchifisT |
but dude, you gotta repaint your car to get that color of green you understand that? right now that red clashes with it. It syour plan and keep it up, but its A LOT OF WORK to do all this stuff after when you coulda started with a different car that fit your plans better?
Im not goin to diss you, but yeah when TRACK is mentioned i hope you are talkin about drivin around corners and so forth, and lol right now with your stock suspension and so forth. Drag is 1/4 mile and thats not really that hard when your car doesn't have all that much power.
im not goin to flame you anymore cause i hardly know you but think twice maybe? |
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| 90teg |
quote: Originally posted by DomesticDrifter
[IMG] [/IMG]
HAHA SOO FUNNY>> AT LEASE I DONT DRIVE A CHEVY LOSER.
I BET YOU HIVE RICE ON THAT TOO FAG |
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| DSM |
quote: Originally posted by 90teg
HAHA SOO FUNNY>> AT LEASE I DONT DRIVE A CHEVY LOSER.
I BET YOU HIVE RICE ON THAT TOO FAG
You need to settle down a wee little bit. You asked for comments, not everyone is going to like your car so you are just going to have to take the good with the bad. And what do you care what other people think, if you like it that is all that matters. And your car is as much as an import as a chev so maybe do some thinking before going off on someone. |
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| DomesticDrifter |
No rice on my ride, and its not pretending to be something its not, unlike your glorified neon. Your probably wondering why i haven't spent any cash on my car to make it look better or go faster? well its not really worth it, its never gonna be any more then what it is. 2.2L n/a fourbanger j-body, its not worth spending 4g's on a turbo kit to give it 200whp or 3g's on a kit and paint because it will still just be a slow cav with a kit.
And man I'm just messing with you with the rice picture, if you had any sence of humor about your self or your ride you'd at least crack a smile. Wait tell you grow up and your balls drop and you realize that no one gives as shit when someone calls them a fag. |
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| SketchifisT |
| uggh dude, seriously for your next expensive, LOWER THE CAR AND GET RIMS , not sayin slam it, get some H&R or eibach lower springs with some good shocks |
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| Mustard |
yeah, and stop calling people fags...
we live in a modern society that accepts homosexuals, like it or not.
I have a few gay freinds, one of which, ironically enough, drives a DSM (HA!). They have to deal with idiots like you tossing derogitory terms around all the time...
what if you turn out to be gay?
one of the gayest guys i've ever known was a big time hater homo-hater in highschool...
so yeah.... think about it.
that concludes this "be a better person" moment.
Flame on! |
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| 90teg |
quote: Originally posted by Mustard
yeah, and stop calling people fags...
we live in a modern society that accepts homosexuals, like it or not.
I have a few gay freinds, one of which, ironically enough, drives a DSM (HA!). They have to deal with idiots like you tossing derogitory terms around all the time...
what if you turn out to be gay?
one of the gayest guys i've ever known was a big time hater homo-hater in highschool...
so yeah.... think about it.
that concludes this "be a better person" moment.
Flame on!
OMG WHAT ARE YOU TALKN ABOUT
I’m not using fag cause I’m saying your gay
One of my best friends is gay.
it’s like saying ass hole in a diff way.
I don’t discriminate any one because their white, black or
how their personality is. Unless they are just really rude and think their the best. |
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| ~S20o0~ |
quote: Originally posted by 90teg
One of my best friends is gay.
:eek: please tell me who?...is it Charles? I knew it! lol (j/k Charles) as for the car, If you like it, thats all that matters and I think it's ok you're going through the process in small steps, money is hard to come buy for a high school kid, I know thats why it took me FOR EVER to get my car (saved up money for like 2 years or so, and then went out and bought my car, was worth the wait for me) or I could have went down the road you did (bought a car with what little money i had and then in small steps decide to mod the car):dunno: either way IT MAKES YOU HAPPY IN THE END! and props to you Joe for doing your own thing:bthumbup: |
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| 90teg |
thanks man , i love you.. and its ME THATS GAY :lol:
JK :blink: :bthumbup: |
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| lilweiner |
| yeah your car suits you well then.. |
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| oldraven |
quote: Originally posted by 90teg
HAHA SOO FUNNY>> AT LEASE I DONT DRIVE A CHEVY LOSER.
I BET YOU HIVE RICE ON THAT TOO FAG
Reel yourself in, punk. And my Chevy Truck could put you down. You don't talk shit when you just don't know what you're talking about.
You need some humility.
quote: Originally posted by 90teg
I’m not using fag cause I’m saying your gay
One of my best friends is gay.
it’s like saying ass hole in a diff way.
No, it's like saying you're an ass hole. |
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| clapbak |
| or how about this.. everyone has different opinions on cars.. what looks good.. what doesn't... post pictures of your cars people.. so other can nit pick em.. stfu already.. |
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| 90teg |
quote: Originally posted by clapbak
or how about this.. everyone has different opinions on cars.. what looks good.. what doesn't... post pictures of your cars people.. so other can nit pick em.. stfu already..
THANK YOU |
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| oldraven |
| There's still no need to be a complete dick when someone gives you negative feedback. It makes you look really petty. |
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| 90teg |
i will only be a dick when some one says it in a dick way
" some peoples kids....."
"hmm after looking at the pics the word disgorge comes to mind"
"stop spending all your money on weed and get some rims.." |
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| clapbak |
quote: Originally posted by oldraven
There's still no need to be a complete dick when someone gives you negative feedback. It makes you look really petty.
The only thing i see comming out of your posts are defending other people.. why dont u let people answer for themselves and mind your own shit..kthx |
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| red88.n/a.rx |
quote: Originally posted by oldraven
There's still no need to be a complete dick when someone gives you negative feedback. It makes you look really petty .
yah u petty jerk haha im j/k man I had too say it though |
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| oldraven |
clapback
The only thing i see comming out of your posts are defending other people.. why dont u let people answer for themselves and mind your own shit..kthx
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90teg
thanks clapback
Because we wouldn't want to do that. |
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| bigmack000 |
iam suprised he knew what disgorge even ment hahahaha. :p
quote: Originally posted by clapbak
The only thing i see comming out of your posts are defending other people.. why dont u let people answer for themselves and mind your own shit..kthx
only thing i see coming out of your post is you defending lil bow wow. So why dont you let him answer for him self and mind your own shit... OK THANKS BUHBYE! |
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| clapbak |
quote: Originally posted by bigmack000
iam suprised he knew what disgorge even ment hahahaha. :p
only thing i see coming out of your post is you defending lil bow wow. So why dont you let him answer for him self and mind your own shit... OK THANKS BUHBYE!
i see you an your Avatar have alot in common.. u both are fuken retarded.. |
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| bigmack000 |
HAH! so when you depfend the thread starter its all good, but when oldraven defends someone eles who posted in
the thread its not kosher ......... RIIIIIIGHT:rolleyes: ! so are you on www.hypicriticalassholeforums.com as well? |
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| kypraio |
| hahaha i actually clicked your link, i'm surprised this hasn't been closed yet. :p |
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| bigmack000 |
quote: Originally posted by kypraio
hahaha i actually clicked your link, i'm surprised this hasn't been closed yet. :p
lol :lol: yeah me 2 |
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| CanuckDave |
"thats the color skeem dum ass"
the level of intelligence here is just astounding!
in regards to the original post, I have to say just do what will make you happy with your car, because at the end of the day, thats what matters the most.
People really need to learn how to give and take constructive criticism. This is a forum full of a lot of really knowledgeable people who can be very helpful when given the chance, not just lashed out at when they give an opinion. On the other hand, people need to be respectful enough to post something other than "that looks like shit" or anything equally pointless.. however people are not going to make the effort if its not going to be received well. |
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| 90teg |
only thing i see coming out of your post is you defending lil bow wow. So why dont you let him answer for him self and mind your own shit... OK THANKS BUHBYE! [/B][/QUOTE]
Who the fuck are you man. whats with this lil bow wow shit.
do you no me? NO . Im not trying to be like lil bow wow soo stop saying it. i have a name and on here its 90teg. :english: |
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| DomesticDrifter |
to quote the jerry springer show.... "YOU DON'T KNOW ME, YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE I COME FROM, YOU DON'T KNOW MY SITUATION!!!"
why can't we all just get along? I'm suprised this shit hasn't been locked yet, what a waste of bandwidth, and by me posting this i know i'm wasting even more. |
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| 90teg |
| ight man. allgood. but if any one wants to say shit. then more bull comes back. if you dont like something then just say it in a diff way. insted of being rude. thanks |
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| oldraven |
I'm so glad you're here to tell us to :english: , bow wow. By the way, have you seen your posts lately?
Where's that lock? |
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| red88.n/a.rx |
| what a joke:banghead: |
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| impact |
i am sure it will look good when the rest of the stuff is on.
insted of putting a fug load of money into a esi, save up and get an awd turbo one :D |
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| 90teg |
quote: Originally posted by impact
i am sure it will look good when the rest of the stuff is on.
insted of putting a fug load of money into a esi, save up and get an awd turbo one :D
thanks for not being a dick. im going to be looking in to putting a stock turbo |
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| beatshack |
I DONT KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOOUUTT!!
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| Jord@n |
quote: Originally posted by Mustard
i don't have any pics of my car, but heres a cartoon of what i want it to look like.
quote: Originally posted by Mustard
OMG ROFL!!
you post pictures of a car, asking what people think, and people tell you they don't like it.
But instead of listening and taking the critism you asked for (and deserve) you tell them they are fags, and that you have bigger plans...and follow up with a cartoon picture of your "goal"
WHICH CONTAINS, lol, a ghetto leaning driver which i'm laughing even harder at cause i know, i JUST KNOW you actually DO drive like that ALREADY.
But what really kills me, is the cartoon you posted has a full body kit containing a completely different looking front end then the one you installed...
nice work d00d...
real rocket surgeon quality there.
These two posts cracked me up I had to look away I started laughing at my office and everyone was staring at me.
This thread is the funniest thread in a while.
"Bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay
Where my dogs at? Bark with me now"
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joo
whos gay
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quote: Originally posted by 90teg
thanks for not being a dick. im going to be looking in to putting a stock turbo
meh fwd vs awd.. ;)
dont thnk it will be worth all the time and and money :D |
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quote: Originally posted by Jord@n
These two posts cracked me up I had to look away I started laughing at my office and everyone was staring at me.
This thread is the funniest thread in a while.
"Bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay
Where my dogs at? Bark with me now"
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yeah, it's some of my best writing....
perhaps i'll e-thug elsewhere now, this has come to bore me... like shooting fish in a barrel. :rolleyes: |
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