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| bigpappa |
| so pearly what do you think of theserules i thought of?? |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Jan 17 2003, 05:32 PM
in my opion i think that the all motor class should be bracket racing,then all the cars in that class are equal?
then there should be a street class eg, v-8 killer,t51r,
this class would be for power adders engine swaps and anything street legal with insurance,nos turbos engine swaps?
then shop/outlaw class any car built by a shop thats sells performance parts,
manadtory rule; every shop must enter!phat,titan, prodrag,extreme velocity,matrix,jb's,streetgear,ez motorsports, and any other shop with a import store to prove to the fans who is the best high perfomance shop in e-town?
then take the top 6 and have them battle it out? :bow:
I have only ever seen Phat's Civic and Zippy's Civic out racing, no other shop sponsored cars and I frequent the track, now as a spectator...
I've seen silentrage cars out there, but more in the show section as I think I only saw one car with their decal run out at sccc; the EZ car doesn't seem to run when he attends all that often, and most other shops that I've seen out there like street gear imports?! Are there to display the body work they've done on their rides.
Point is, what good is a "shop" class when not to many shops actually have cars they'll put in that they themselves tune fully?! I don't know about all of the shops in the city but the zippy's car I'm pretty they did themselves as well as phats civic (stated in new Perf. Auto/sound), and EZ..... How many tuner shops do we have that don't frequently compete or just like to sell neon lights?! Will there be enough competitors in this class?! That's my main concern, though you guys probably don't care either way! |
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| bigpappa |
| well what i'am tryin to say is that these shops have access to parts at wd,jobber pricing? the avaerage consumer cannot compete with these prices?as for ez they seem to talk the talk about drag racing and the import scene same as phat well i think they should all be grouped together?it's funny they said phat is the fastest street driven civic in alberta?true to a piont but he owns a shop so let's just say he's in the shop class.great the spectators would love i think for these shops to battle it out?everybody has opions of everybody elses shop well let;s put them in the ring and take the gloves off and see who's the best when it comes to tuning?the reason i want this class is to eliminate all the bullshit between them,you can't trust people that sell high performance parts if they are not fast?that russian roulette with your car? :bow: |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Jan 18 2003, 09:29 AM
so pearly what do you think of theserules i thought of??
Shop class would be fun, I'm in, but there's no real point unless all the shops come out and race. :bigthumbup: |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Jan 18 2003, 10:19 AM
... see who's the best when it comes to tuning?
We'll be there with the Sivik. What are you bringing? |
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| v8slayer |
Do you have to be a shop car because I would love to try my RWD 1978 4G63TKR Colt out with some slicks on it?
I just got news it will be here by April fully tuned , saftey equipped , 1375 LB's and ready to go.
That's 4 months a head of schedule. :bigthumbup: |
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| Pro Drag |
| You sneaky bastard!, is that the one you were showing me pictures of?:angry: You said it wouldn't be ready until the end of September. You have to be a truly sick individual to drive that thing. :blink: Where do I sign up? :bigthumbup: |
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| v8slayer |
That customer of mine in Vegas must have really turned his wheels to get it done so fast.
I think its because we have a huge contract in the works with him and he's trying to impress us.
Anyways I can't wait to get it home to play with it and see how it goes.
It should be fast as its the third on he's built and the last two are racing and doing well.
Can't wait.
maybe I'll be racing in two classes this year. |
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| bigpappa |
| roger are you still blowin smoke with those pics from 3yrs ago? :thefinger: |
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| Pro Drag |
| I don't think these are the same one's. The pic's he showed me online were timestamped October 2002. It should be one sick ride. :bigthumbup: |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 21 2003, 03:11 PM
Do you have to be a shop car because I would love to try my RWD 1978 4G63TKR Colt out with some slicks on it?
I just got news it will be here by April fully tuned , saftey equipped , 1375 LB's and ready to go.
That's 4 months a head of schedule. :bigthumbup:
I have no problem with Roger entering, what about you bigpappa?
Let's make it worth everybodies while and have a $1000 entry fee, winner takes all for the shop class, sound good? |
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| REFLUX |
the thing i dont understand about stores like EZ & Phat & etc etc is that if "I" had a shop, the car that my shop produces is a VERY good reflection of the work i do
so wen u put forward some POS car (EZ)....doesn't say much for you
i would build up a freakin 10second street car & bring it to every event possible
not sure if these guys have THOUGHT of this but can't do the work...or if the idea has never crossed their minds
& in that case....IDIOTS |
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| bigpappa |
| i don't care if he has a shop???ahaha sure everybody welcome but to finally do some justice let all the shops duke it out hey?i mean i think andrew would love to get me at the lights to see if he still;s got it sure i would love to as for ez ;;bring it'' oh ya phat the guy who supposedly started import street racing in edmonton?ya suuuuurrrreeeeee one question where was he 7 yrs ago not with me or v8 killer racing v8's so step up?thats why we should stick all the shop cars together,we all have opportunity to buy parts at wd/jobber cheaper then anyone on the street?right?well in my set up i run methanol so it doesn't matter to me as long as you are willing to sacrifice yourself to RIPPER come on down :bow: |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Jan 21 2003, 05:55 PM
?i mean i think andrew would love to get me at the lights to see if he still;s got it .....
Not to go off-topic;
You sure have a hard-on for Andrew don't you? :thumbsdown: |
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| Moderator2 |
We'll check on the legalities of this - don't want it seen as gambling, but if any grudge matches or classes want to be set up, that's no problem.
I'll keep part of the entry fee for fundraising, and the rest can go to the winner. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by V8less@Jan 22 2003, 01:19 PM
We'll check on the legalities of this - don't want it seen as gambling, but if any grudge matches or classes want to be set up, that's no problem.
I'll keep part of the entry fee for fundraising, and the rest can go to the winner.
It is totally legal, just like running "king of the hill" except the racing is heads up and not bracket. |
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| bigpappa |
| if my car is done by mar i will take on alll who want to challenge the ripper??? |
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| prophet_ca |
| I think a shop class would be a good idea... it would give some some motivation for edmonton/calagary shops to actually put out some performance cars that show the work they can do... Then they can say "fastest company car in alberta". There could be zippy, titan, ez-motorsports, phat performance, apex parts (soon to be a shop, had the neon), street gear imports , um anybody think of anyone else? |
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| bigpappa |
| who the fuck is apex parts???:wtf:who ever picked that name better be careful there already an apex inc and apex parts in canada.just great another mickey mouse bullshit shop opening.someone else with no expierance in the industry deja-vu fuck how many shops,do we need selling ractive mufflers and altezza's??come on you are already on a downhill tumble there is no need to commit business suicide ?well good luck in that end of the business :thefinger: |
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| bigpappa |
| hey prophet is this really your car???please tell me not?are you invloved with apex parts,that is opening if you are they will be shut down in a month?did you ever look at the car you are driving?also please tell me you didn't do what i read on your site bored your throttle body out with a dremel????????this proves my point bye |
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| 1mns13 |
I agree with the thought that a fast car is indicative of knowledge to make a fast car. But I don't think that it has to be thier own car, it could be a car that they built for somebody.
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| prophet_ca |
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who the fuck is apex parts???:wtf:who ever picked that name better be careful there already an apex inc and apex parts in canada.just great another mickey mouse bullshit shop opening.someone else with no expierance in the industry deja-vu fuck how many shops,do we need selling ractive mufflers and altezza's??come on you are already on a downhill tumble there is no need to commit business suicide ?well good luck in that end of the business
Um okay you got some serious issues dude, why are you bashing a company you know nothing about? If you got issue with tuner shops in the city thats your problem... I don't know what business you run, but your obviously not winning any awards or even being heard of, so your obviously doing something wrong in the business end :asshole: . At least eric got himself into a magazine for a little publicity (econ 102 said thats important) wtf are you doing... um nothing... As for apex, they have 4 neons they are currently working on... the one they brought to the track was a 2.0 SOHC that ran i think low 14's, they have now swapped that motor for a 2.4 DOHC (similar motor in the dodge srt-4) with most of the parts from the 2.0 SOHC swapped in and i think are going with quad-throttlebody intakes, they have one they autocross in, one that they are using to test there products in, and one that they are going to turbo...
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hey prophet is this really your car???please tell me not?are you invloved with apex parts,that is opening if you are they will be shut down in a month?did you ever look at the car you are driving?also please tell me you didn't do what i read on your site bored your throttle body out with a dremel????????this proves my point bye
Yes that is my car, i happen to like neons which is why i bought one... Im not going to agrue over the potential for neons because we all know that there is potential.. no i am not involved with apex parts i just frequent there boards and occasionally bye odds and edds from them.. yes i did bore out throttle body with a dremel from 49mm to 56mm whats wrong with that, i did it myself i do all my things myself, i am also building a turbo myself, things have to progress when your learning about cars. Last year i was into looks, now i want a little more power. I would like to know what your point, that your a fucking prick? Sorry we don't all have your amazing knowledge to build amazingly fast cars, and stop bashing shit you know nothing about :thumbsdown: |
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| prophet_ca |
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chill please...
Sorry dude i just don't like when people run there mouths about stuff that doesn't even concern them... I just make a comment that there might be a new shop opening up and this guy goes haywire... disrespecting me and a group of enthusiast i sometimes associated with.. :wtf:, anyways i again agree a shop class would be a good idea |
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| bigpappa |
| first fo all who said anything about eric??sure thats cool he got in the magizine good for him and phat but if you know anything about cars which you are a master building your own turbo and all???you should know that boring a throttle body with a dremel is terriable you also believe you can run a 8.5.1 static compression and still pull an 13.1?????your a kid that doesn't understand the phisics of building motors :thefinger: oh ya and the reason i'am making fun of the shops intown is because all the shops in town are jokes execpt afew who can build motors and understand the concepts of fuel injection?so when your ready for a lesson just give me a shout? :angry: oh ya and when you get your license to run a 7.50 car then i feel your knowledge is equal other than that ya good for your bro's who are building the neons.i hope they go fast?second of all i don't need to know nothing about them until they step in our shoes''shops in town''put up with the critizism and bullshit from people with no expierance thinking that there muffler and air intake build 10-15 hp? :thefinger: |
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| prophet_ca |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Jan 23 2003, 03:55 PM
first fo all who said anything about eric??sure thats cool he got in the magizine good for him and phat but if you know anything about cars which you are a master building your own turbo and all???you should know that boring a throttle body with a dremel is terriable you also believe you can run a 8.5.1 static compression and still pull an 13.1?????your a kid that doesn't understand the phisics of building motors :thefinger: oh ya and the reason i'am making fun of the shops intown is because all the shops in town are jokes execpt afew who can build motors and understand the concepts of fuel injection?so when your ready for a lesson just give me a shout? :angry: oh ya and when you get your license to run a 7.50 car then i feel your knowledge is equal other than that ya good for your bro's who are building the neons.i hope they go fast?second of all i don't need to know nothing about them until they step in our shoes''shops in town''put up with the critizism and bullshit from people with no expierance thinking that there muffler and air intake build 10-15 hp? :thefinger:
i don't argue with ignorant people and your about as ignorant as it gets... so I'll end this here.... i would really like to see your car that runs 7.50... you don't have to be a master engine builder to build a turbo system, you have to understand certain aspects of engines, which i do... who said anything about running my stock compression which is about 9.6:1 not 8.5:1... And where are you getting these numbers from (13.1) . i don't know what your big problem is with people doing there own work (ie boring out a throttle body)... i could have bought a 56mm one for 175CDN, but i made my own for the cost of the carbide bit and the aluminum i need to make the throttle plate ($9).. i have now upgrade for the turbo project to 60mm by modifying a jeep throttle body and save my self 365CDN by doing so
"your a kid that doesn't understand the phisics of building motors" and your a prink that things he is gods gift to cars, who said anything about knowledge of engines, im saying what im doing to my car your disrespect me about it... thats ignorance... Im reading the shit your writing and laughing, how much more ignorant can you get.. keep posting i kinda want to see :D |
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| bigpappa |
| first of all you are the ignorant one :thefinger: did i say i drive or own a 7.5 car no i have a licence to race one ya i do have it i got it in my buddies pro mod car .see smart people know that you got to get a licence at the track so you can run that fast.i have a slow car,so i won't say anything.oh ya by the way i didn't mean you when i said that about compression ratio i thought you raed the article on erics car?oh ya and by the way your car has a piston compression of 9.6;1 and a static ratio of 10.2.1 combine you cylinder cc?but you would know that right?second of all i don't think i'am gods gift just tryin to help you in the right way,i have been in the racing industry for 10yrs total and never met somebody that could port to .000001 of an inch but you are the god here,so tell me what does boring the throttle body do and how much cc does it flow or how much power does it increase ??? |
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| prophet_ca |
Well we all know that a 0.00001 of inch isn't going to make a difference when your running a stock n/a motor... you don't have to be a machinist to see an in provement in a boring from 49mm to 56mm... you would have be a ignorant person to say that there is no difference and it was stupid to do... how are you helping me? by saying you know everything and im an idiot for boring out my own throttle body? It wouldn't anything drastic on a stock motor, if i were to add a less resistive intake, exhaust, pulley, extrude honed my intake.. then you would see a incrase from the 49mm to 56mm... but it was fun to do and it was fun selling for 150CDN.
my stock 49mm flows about 252 CFM
my older bored one flows about 317 CFM
my new 60mm flows about 377CFM and will be a nice addition to my turbo system and port and polish cylinder head (also which im doing myself)
so unless you can tell me anything else have fun with your liscense and buddies and there pro mod cars.. anyways im kinda getting tired of responding so if you wanna agrue over your extreme knowledge and of cars and my stupidity when it comes to boring out throttle bodies pm me |
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| redbaron303 |
Geeze! What are you people like two years old! Why don't you all just go sit in the corner and take a time out... big pappa spelling class starts in twenty minutes and prophetca anger management starts for you too!
It pisses me off when people on here get in a pissing contest over something so trivial that doesn't even involve them... Are either of you good friends with Eric, did you put effort into HIS car, and do you intend on owning his car?! NO, that's what I thought! If you don't think the man knows his shit then let him blow up his car, in the meantime he and other people have put the effort into building a cool streetable fast civic and it's something he's proud of! Leave it be at that!
Bigpappa if you have a shop and built a car, great for you. I hope to see you out at the track kicking ass especially when you're dissin other shops for not doing things right...!
The point of this is, not one person on this board can consider themselves a god that knows everything possible about cars and mods and how to do a certain mod to certain cars! No one here has a race proven less than 10 second import that I've seen at the race track ever, which according to you bigpappa means there aren't any credable tuners in the city. Do you realize how many ppl think they know rotaries but don't or Z31 motors but don't! It's insane... Each to his own. Start small and go big, learn your car first and try going from there. Every business is bound to make a mistake along the way but why bitch em out for it unless it your ride they screwed up on, like really! Just have fun and enjoy life untill you start compeating like they do in other places for the big money!
I'm gonna quit ranting as I expect I'm gonna be flammed on this one! |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Jan 23 2003, 08:55 AM
oh ya and the reason i'am making fun of the shops intown is because all the shops in town are jokes execpt afew who can build motors and understand the concepts of fuel injection?so when your ready for a lesson just give me a shout?
Why do you guys keep talking about this shop class like its going to be the "be all of fast cars".
I could name a few cars that are independants that just may beat some of those shop cars.
Maybe we should just compare time slips from everyone before having a shop class just to make sure the shops don't make idiots out of themselves first.
It would be pretty bad if the winner of the shop class was slower than winner of the slick class.
Do you guys see my point?
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| prophet_ca |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jan 24 2003, 05:58 AM
Geeze! What are you people like two years old! Why don't you all just go sit in the corner and take a time out... big pappa spelling class starts in twenty minutes and prophetca anger management starts for you too!
It pisses me off when people on here get in a pissing contest over something so trivial that doesn't even involve them... Are either of you good friends with Eric, did you put effort into HIS car, and do you intend on owning his car?! NO, that's what I thought! If you don't think the man knows his shit then let him blow up his car, in the meantime he and other people have put the effort into building a cool streetable fast civic and it's something he's proud of! Leave it be at that!
Bigpappa if you have a shop and built a car, great for you. I hope to see you out at the track kicking ass especially when you're dissin other shops for not doing things right...!
The point of this is, not one person on this board can consider themselves a god that knows everything possible about cars and mods and how to do a certain mod to certain cars! No one here has a race proven less than 10 second import that I've seen at the race track ever, which according to you bigpappa means there aren't any credable tuners in the city. Do you realize how many ppl think they know rotaries but don't or Z31 motors but don't! It's insane... Each to his own. Start small and go big, learn your car first and try going from there. Every business is bound to make a mistake along the way but why bitch em out for it unless it your ride they screwed up on, like really! Just have fun and enjoy life untill you start compeating like they do in other places for the big money!
I'm gonna quit ranting as I expect I'm gonna be flammed on this one!
no flame... i think your totally correct.. which is why i don't like arguing over the internet because we both look like little children.... As for eric, i mention him because he is doing the right things to make his company work (ie getting into a reputable mag), which i commend him for... I personally dont like getting flamed for no reason which is why i responded in the first place
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Why do you guys keep talking about this shop class like its going to be the "be all of fast cars". I could name a few cars that are independants that just may beat some of those shop cars. Maybe we should just compare time slips from everyone before having a shop class just to make sure the shops don't make idiots out of themselves first.It would be pretty bad if the winner of the shop class was slower than winner of the slick class. Do you guys see my point?
I do see your point, but having a shop class will give the shops motivation to be the fastest car in the city which is a good thing because that way they will gain knowledge and better help there customers. Some non-company cars will be fast than the company cars, but thats those are people with lots of money or lots of knowledge... |
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| v8slayer |
What is a shop car?
-A car built completely by a shop.
-A car sponsered and worked on by a shop.
-A car with shop stickers on it built by anyone.
-A car that has an engine built out of house but is installed and tuned at the shop.
Lets get as many cars as possible in this shop class.
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| bigpappa |
hey roger wanna put a wager on a race between us??
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Jan 24 2003, 10:28 AM
What is a shop car?
-A car built completely by a shop.
-A car sponsered and worked on by a shop.
These would be applicable for shop class I think.
BTW Roger, that 9" rear end will fit in your Colt, what ratio did you want, give me a call. |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by prophet_ca@Jan 24 2003, 07:28 AM
no flame... i think your totally correct.. which is why i don't like arguing over the internet because we both look like little children.... As for eric, i mention him because he is doing the right things to make his company work (ie getting into a reputable mag), which i commend him for... I personally dont like getting flamed for no reason which is why i responded in the first place
Goodstuff man...!
Anygood shop will advertise as much as they can to get recognition... by going into a magazine that is Canada wide (national?) it helps to show that you have what it takes to build a good car... It doesn't matter if he didn't do everything or it wasn't done to someone elses expectations, the plain facts are that he's advertising and trying to grow his business. LIke you said, principles of econ dictate that it helps... publicity is a good thing! BTW by good shop (we all know that some of you don't think Phat is a shop... but...) I meant a good business as in one that people know about and has a somewhat good rep... Don't bother flaming this comment unless you're Eric, cause it's his shop and none of yours!
Anyways, hopefully you shop sponsored/built/owned cars will come out and put on a good show and give Eric, whos in a magazine, a challenge.... At least he's at the track even if it's just for "fun" |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jan 24 2003, 05:00 PM
Anyways, hopefully you shop sponsored/built/owned cars will come out and put on a good show and give Eric, whos in a magazine, a challenge.... At least he's at the track even if it's just for "fun"
We are already faster than him. Got the timeslip to prove it. |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Jan 24 2003, 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jan 24 2003, 05:00 PM
Anyways, hopefully you shop sponsored/built/owned cars will come out and put on a good show and give Eric, whos in a magazine, a challenge.... At least he's at the track even if it's just for "fun"
We are already faster than him. Got the timeslip to prove it.
I know you are.... :) You aren't the one I was referring too.... :wacko:
You've got the white talon that's in the top 5 right?! |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Jan 24 2003, 06:09 PM
I know you are.... :) You aren't the one I was referring too.... :wacko:
You've got the white talon that's in the top 5 right?!
Nope, that masterpiece is Mitsuman's pride and joy.
We currently are holding down 10th place on the main page. |
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| dogstar |
arguing on the internet is like racing in the special olympics, even if you win, your still a retard.
shop class sounds like a lot of fun to watch, i for one hope to see some heated battles on the track, and and lots of participation. |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by dogstar@Jan 24 2003, 07:55 PM
arguing on the internet is like racing in the special olympics, even if you win, your still a retard.
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| redbaron303 |
| I don't remember... but other than PearlyWhiteTSI who actually owns a "shop" or runs a shop on this forum that would be included in this class?>! |
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