| GsiTurbo |
Hiya,
I was reading thru some of the topics here in regards to driving, and I believe most accidents can be reduced not by LOWERING THE SPEED limit, but by providing better driver education - let's face it - its CRAP. Doing that, we are not curing the cause, we are curing symptoms...its like giving patient with broken arm Tylenol3 and telling him/her the pain will go away !!! How many times you were waiting at the 4-way for the drivers to make up their mind who is first? :angry:
How many of you had a chance to drive in europe? Most of drivers here would get out of their vehicles after driving for 5m in Berlin traffic!!
Here, you can pretty much just pass DL test after reading the book, the drivers school - c'mon, that is a total joke. It does teach you to drive in a straight lane, but it DOES NOT teach you to drive. It DOES NOT teach you to think in advance !! It teaches you to stay on the left lane, because 25km ahead you'll be turning left!! Driving slow without thinking is not going to make one a safe driver.
I did my first driver's license a few years ago in europe - the course itself was 3 months long and GOOD. Not only you get real knowledge on how the car works/basic troubleshooting/tyre replacement (I see so many ppl calling AMA to change their rims), but you get 2 months of driver TRAINING in conditions from a street traffic/highway driving (speed limit 180km/h). The test also included 3 day training on keeping control of the vehicle while controlling spin, tyre puncture on motorway etc. The test itself, not only measures how you know the vehicle/rules, but also how you are behaving on the roads/motorways....if you obey the signs, but drive without thinking - you gonna fail.
The best example is the last week in Edmonton....snow does not mean that you have to drive 30km/h on the Whitemud!! grr.... Seems ppl get into some sort of a winter/snow trance...
If the gov of alberta want to reduce the number of fatalities/accidents, firstival they should re-write the way priviledge of driving a vehicle is given....
my 5 cents :blink: |
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| dogstar |
AGREED!
and welcome to v8less.
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i dont claim to be the best driver out there, but im a whole hell of a lot better than most of the people who find their licenses in cerial boxes or under the fridge or whereever the hell else they get them...
i also think that once people drive better, we could increase speed limits considerably without any more traffic accidents.
my friend from london was driving down highway 2 (the empty wasteland) and he said the speedlimit on such a road in europe would probably be in the 160-200 kph range, especially since its in as good or better condition than most of the high speed roads he had driven on. |
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| Pro Drag |
Amen to that!
Alas, the government seems to be going the other way. Graduated licensing to make sure the exceptionally slow learner's in our society still get a chance to drive.
When I got my liscence there was an allowable 50 points to be taken off in the span of 15 minutes before you failed. Now it is 75 points, :wtf: , driving is a priviledge, not a right. If you can't handle a vehicle, don't get behind the wheel, it's that simple. If you want to be "cool" and drive, there is responsibility involved, plain and simple. |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by dogstar@Jan 25 2003, 05:41 PM
my friend from london was driving down highway 2 (the empty wasteland) and he said the speedlimit on such a road in europe would probably be in the 160-200 kph range, especially since its in as good or better condition than most of the high speed roads he had driven on.
You mean the roads don't have that speedlimit here?! Opps....
(J/k)
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| PraxRX7 |
LoL a perfect example of this:
When I took my drivers test (75 points allowed) I came to an intersection where I was asked to turn left, but there was an accident in the left lane, I had been driving all of a couple times with my learners at the time and asked the Govt. Driver "What should I do?". I should have been failed then and there and been given an opportunity to get more driving hours with an instructor.
When I took my license test it was pouring rain and pretty much 2/10 visibility so I decided that in a residential zone at 3:30pm in the day I should go 40kph instead of 50kph just in case. That cost me 5 points for driving to slow, total crap considering road conditions at the time and the accident we had just past.
Then later on I was asked to perform a parralel park...sure no problem I had practiced this a hundred times, so I parralel park and put it into park. So I am Sitting there and she (big fat ugly govt. driver that probably abuses her children) anyway, she asks me to pull out and continue on when I am ready.
I checked my mirrors and there were about 8+ vehicles headlights I could faintly see through the rain, so I decided to watch each one go by because I had nothing better to do, each time looking back to check the distance of the next vehicle etc.
I was dinged 10 points for being "over-cautious" and shoulder checking to many times, man what I would have given to have told that ugly B@#*& off.
It just pisses me off that these "expert drivers" are not so expert.
Maybe we should all have to take a manditory govt. provided racing course and get a solo autocross license :D
Oh well...that's my story, |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by PraxRX7@Jan 25 2003, 09:45 PM
Maybe we should all have to take a manditory govt. provided racing course
it seems like the racing courses provide you with more driver experience than AMA does |
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| chowder |
Really PraxRX7. I only lost 10 points on my driving test. But I didn't have the conditions like you had. I went 10 under due to the fact the roads were icy. (AMA course, and during the winter). I didn't lose points for that.
As for expert drivers. I really doubt there is such thing. There is such a wide margin for poor drivers and good drivers. But thats my 2 cents. |
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| Pete |
| its been proven that speed variance is a bigger concern and causes more accidents and deaths than speeding. |
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| Glenn 328is |
| It's 75 points now? Crazy. -_- |
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| PraxRX7 |
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Originally posted by REFLUX@Jan 26 2003, 08:24 AM
quote:
Originally posted by PraxRX7@Jan 25 2003, 09:45 PM
Maybe we should all have to take a manditory govt. provided racing course
it seems like the racing courses provide you with more driver experience than AMA does
I think racing courses are beneficial due to the high/low speed turns and getting a feel for how a car under/oversteers as well as the traction limitation on different surfaces.
Although 4 years of parking lots, ice racing, auto-X, and just messing around seems to have taught me a thing or 2 about driving. Although I know one day it is inevitable and I will probably be involved in a collision of some sort.
no one is a perfect driver. Well...except maybe some of those F1 racers like Shumaucher and Barrichello B) |
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| dogstar |
professional racers have accidents a lot too.
the guys i respect... limo drivers.
and no, not the jokes we have driving most limos here, i mean guys who drive a car for some rich/powerful/tyrannical person who demands perfection.
those guys can hustle a 3-5 ton car around like its an integra typeR with race tires, yet when your inside, if you dont look out, you rarely get the impression your even moving.
also, the michigan state police seem to have a clue, the officers also rotate test drive duties of all the new cars which are submitted for police use, so theyve got a jump on experience in different vehicles. |
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| MightyMidget |
sorry guys but i had to post about this.........Traffic COLLISIONS are NOT accidents!!!!!!
Accidents are Not preventable......collisions are.....
they are due to driver error and lack of COMMON sense.
don't even get me started on the drivers training thing.....i am EVOC trained and there is still so much to learn. And you think that daily friving is hard....try with lights and sirens and moron drivers....
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| Benny |
| This is my favorite thread in All of my forum browsing history! |
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| RF134A |
This is SO easy... just make it more difficult to open a so-called "driving school". I think I can probably pull a couple of random members off this board, rent a space somewhere and open a "driving school" and "teach" people to drive. There are so many retards out there who CAN'T drive and are passing their crappy habits onto other people.
I think ONLY the AMA should be able to offer driving lessons since they have the best program. And they actually know about the laws since they are the ones who lobby for new laws and changes to old ones. I bet you can't name a driving school that does that! |
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