| prophet_ca |
| If you have a police scanner hooked up in your car is this legal.. I always thought that would be illegal, a friend has one in his car.. |
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| redbaron303 |
| I'd go with illegal, as far as I know it's illegal to even posses a police scanner in Alberta if you aren't a member of the police force!? |
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| turbomike |
Ok boys heres the scoop...
In edmonton the radio is encripted so enless the guy has a police radio he aint gettin jack...
the r.c.'s however use normal police bands so the can get picked up
It is not a crime to have one but it won't do you much good... |
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| turbomike |
| The night CFRN came out street racing, the news crew had one... the boys new when to bail |
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| prophet_ca |
| well he just has one he got off of ebay... i have no idea if he is actually getting anything? |
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| redbaron303 |
| Oh well... guess I was wrong... eitherway I have a friend who's got 5 or 6 police scanners (from edmonton PD) in her garage... mind you here dads a police officer or was?! I think they're rather old so I doubt if they'd pick up anything on the new channels or frequency or whatever...! |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
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Originally posted by turbomike@Jan 26 2003, 01:04 AM
Ok boys heres the scoop...
In edmonton the radio is encripted so enless the guy has a police radio he aint gettin jack...
the r.c.'s however use normal police bands so the can get picked up
It is not a crime to have one but it won't do you much good...
You can pretty much figure out how to decode the signal.
I know a few amateur radio operators who claimed they can figure it out or get the instruction s off the net.
I went over to his house to check it out and we listened to an EPS member check his personals from his car using the CB!.
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| wrxtasy |
I have heard..
It is illegal to use a scanner while commiting a crime. It is illegal to "share" the information you get from a scanner.
I have a had a scanner in my cars for years.. I have even joked around with r.c.'s because I can hear them call in my plate when I get a ticket.
The city cop's do a ton of stuff thru thier in car terminal. Before that you could hear all of the dispatch stuff .. Now dispatch is done thru the computer..
I think the eps is a trunked , Digital system .. There are now scanners on the market that will pick up digital.. I am not sure if it is encrypted.
Now cell phones thats anouther story :) |
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| Nightstalker |
You can get digital decorders and digital scanners.. actually. I will see if I can find a beartracker scanner online somewhere.. these things actually have a light that comes on when a cop car is within 3 miles.. It hooks into the system that cops cars use to extend the range of there communications net. basically each car boosts the signal of the dispatch and sends it out agian.. this is what the scanner pics up on.. and a light comes on to warn you that they are there. its a great tool if you wana avoid the cops..
Update:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...&category=14956
there we go |
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| prophet_ca |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker@Jan 27 2003, 06:16 PM
You can get digital decorders and digital scanners.. actually. I will see if I can find a beartracker scanner online somewhere.. these things actually have a light that comes on when a cop car is within 3 miles.. It hooks into the system that cops cars use to extend the range of there communications net. basically each car boosts the signal of the dispatch and sends it out agian.. this is what the scanner pics up on.. and a light comes on to warn you that they are there. its a great tool if you wana avoid the cops..
Update:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...&category=14956
there we go
hmmmm |
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| Pro Drag |
Question: Would one of the units have "saved" the Villenueve Fast & Furious?
From what I understand they were hiding in a tower prior to the group showing up, don't know if they were comunicating with dispatch or anything though. |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by RezaREX@Jan 27 2003, 09:16 PM
There was someone in the tower beforehand but he was communicating to the RC's by other means so no this wouldn't have saved us :tear:
What if you guys got permission to use one of the airstrips afterdark?! I'm sure they could get you some lights or something as they need em for airplanes.... permission to use their roads could have saved you the trouble of getting busted, right?! |
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| Nightstalker |
| The thing is though.. as soon as the RCs cars were in range of the scanner you would have known that they were coming and could have taken off.. I am likely going to be getting one for my car just so that I can listen to truckers and stuff on the highway.. its almost as good as having a cop scanner because they let each other know about the cops all the time. |
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| wrxtasy |
| It was actually quite funny a few years ago the city cops had a run away rig in the city. Funny thing was that every time they tried to lay down a spike strip or set up a roadblock the guy would turn the other way. eventually they figured out that this guy had a scanner and knew where they were setting things up. They called each other on cell phone instead and got him eventually. |
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| Nightstalker |
| ha ha.. figures.. I had the cop chopper following me around tonight.. thats a really nice flash light they have on that thing =) |
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| turbomike |
The biggest thing about the boys getting busted.......
I was out one week before.... the stony plain rc's broke it up but the told 6 or 7 of us that QUOTE:WEll if you guys are going to race this is a good spot...
I didn't go out the night everyone got busted cuz it was raining
but i can't help but feel for the guys who were set up... |
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| redbaron303 |
| I was out there the week before too.... and on my way out that night in the truck but I'd already gone through so much gas I decided to stop before leaving st albert and went home.... I just wish the police weren't such dicks about that situation..... secluded and everyone there for the same reason.... it's not like it was whyte ave. |
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| turbomike |
RT MIKE put in the to the city to see if we could use the airport..................
SHOT DOWN............... |
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| turbomike |
All i know is the park is outa the question.....
anybody out that way will be getting a full cavity search...
we were sitting at the timmy ho's and they tore a part everybodys rides
for no reason............. what a bunch of loosers...
With the exception of officer BADGER he was cool about the whole deal... |
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| turbomike |
| so all i all what was the grand total for your 2 min of fame... |
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| turbomike |
I think but im not shure... 50 bucks to go rally x in is alot cheeper...
O well it shure is alot of fun going to them street races...
My fav is the henday.. 2 big wide lanes and u can see for miles...
We were out last year for sometimes the whole night and not once was anything even close to scarry...
Although that night on 137ave was shure scarry... drunk driver dosent even slow down when he sees 80 cars on the side of the road...
Watch ya gona doo... |
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| turbomike |
u were at the last rally x right...
did you go to the first one... |
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| RezaREX |
So your saying it has to be scary to be worthwhile?????
I was at the ICE race but not at Bud's. |
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| turbomike |
No no i am saying it's better when were all safe... on the henday at 3 am there is no cars...
also u dont cross into on coming trafic, thats why its a good place...
buds was way better..... WFO around the whole road course...
The boys are tryin to get a fixed venue for that stuff...
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| RezaREX |
| The henday is a perfect road (quality wise) for racing. My house is about a 2 minute drive from Anthony Henday and 45th. But one of the problems there is that it's freakin loud. My old GF's house was right across the field from where people would race and you could hear the cars quite easily at 2 or 3 AM from inside her house. Besides, the ghetto bird is in constant patrol of the henday now :( |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
nightstalker.. they communicate using cell phones mostly now for u.c busts and all that... so we were screwed... mind you we sent someone to check out the tower cause we thought we saw something and he came back saying he saw nothing :mellow:
Oh and for the topic of the post it's illegal to posess a police scanner at all... it's not illegal to possess one that has the capability of picking it up though. It's illegal to listen to transmissions if you're not a member of the press or police service, ems, etc. as far as I know :D |
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by turbomike@Jan 29 2003, 10:19 PM
I was out one week before.... the stony plain rc's broke it up but the told 6 or 7 of us that QUOTE:WEll if you guys are going to race this is a good spot...
turbomike;
I would be interested in knowing who it was that told you this? I find it hard to believe that anyone would break up an event but say it was a good spot to be at???? As mentioned in a few of my first postings ... I was at the airport the night the 9 vehicles were impounded but I wasn't w/ the members the time before. I can guarantee there was no setup planned nore was there any entrapment involved. Some members of the "9" were aware that the Stony Plain RCMP were enforcing & trying to prevent the racing but they still decided to show up & participate at Villeneuve????
turbomike - if you would feel more comfortable sending a PM please do so.
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| albertarc |
Scanners are not illegal to possess. Any Radio Shack has probably 4 - 5 on display @ any given time as well as they can also sell you a book of well known frequencies commonly used. A lot of tow truck drivers carry scanners w/ them to hear what the police are doing so they can get to the collision / vehicle stop in as little time as possible. Where the legalities of scanners come into question is when they are used during the commission of an offence. Then they become the same as break-in tools and as such can be seized as an exhibit.
If people want to take scanners w/ them on the road please make sure & get the battery operated models ... extension cords can get pretty expensive & there's enough of them dragging behind cars this time of the year anyway.
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by RezaREX@Jan 30 2003, 05:16 PM
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I can guarantee there was no setup planned nore was there any entrapment involved.
I don't mean this in a bad way Jim but I'm just curious as to your recollection of what happened that night beginning at around 10:30PM. You can PM me if you don't think it should be public knowledge.
When I made the quote "I can guarantee there was no setup planned nor was there any entrapment involved" I was referring to between the previous meeting of RCMP members / racers and the night of Sept 07th. We attended the airport on that evening as a result of a complaint we rec'd from the maintenance manager of the airport that day. I will GUARANTEE everyone that racers had been there prior to the 07th & it was equally possible that they may not have shown up that day either. I'm not telling secrets out of school when I say only a small percentage of covert operations occur when we think they will. If ANYONE can confirm an officer having jurisdiction in the Stony Plain / Morinville area stated that it was okay to race at Villeneuve Airport (prior to the incident obviously & must be confirmed by the officer ... let's remember if he / she is named & I will assume be called as a defense witness & he / she lies that is called perjury!!) I will personally request all outstanding tickets be withdrawn & the ones that have plead guilty to the charges - charges will be esponged (withdrawn after guilty plea).
I must remind everyone that even though I am active on this discussion forum as an educator I still must enforce the laws that I am sworn to uphold. Let's forget about safety, liability, access to Bud Park, & all of the other comments that are brought up about street racing for a moment ... street racing is still "ILLEGAL" and EVERYONE here knows that!!!!! If you decide to street race then you are gambling that you are not going to get caught. If you do get caught then you should darn well be man (or woman) enough to accept the consequences!!!!! We can argue until the internal combustion engine is extinct that street racing is illegal or should be legal but the answer today is ... it is "ILLEGAL"!!!!! Through my involvement w/ V8LESS.COM I will try to suggest legal options to illegal actions / equipment etc but when the day's done I cannot condone breaking the law nor will I ever give anyone the right to do so either.
Cst J.M.FLACK
Stony Plain RCMP T/S
(I think this posting requires this type of signature & there just isn't any funny face for taking life seriously) |
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| turbomike |
Jim i can't recall the name of the officer on sept 7th but i will talk to some of the other people that were in our group...
I know someone will remember a name...
At the time this comment was said, there was 8 or 9 big names in street racing standing in our group...
Let me get back to you... I will send PM with the name...
ps - Jim thanks for being fair... Lets face it, if you are a street racer you are breaking the law, you will get what you get just like any other crime...
Thanks for your honesty...
Mike... |
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| Nightstalker |
| When you get busted.. just take it like a man.. it was your choice right.. |
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| Nightstalker |
I can totally understand that.. You are likely looking at having your licence suspended for a while right.. I can totally see how that would put stress on you. There are a lot of positives to street racing vs. racing at bud park.. the biggest one by far IMO is the fact you can run races one after another and have a lot more fun.. no going to bud park for a night and only running your car twice.. On the street you could run 3 times in 15 mins if you wanted to.. What we really need is a 4 lane section of road built on private land with a dirt road connecting it to the rest of the roads.. thats about the only way we can make it work.. Sadly that would likely cost something like 4 or 5 million dollars..
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by turbomike@Jan 30 2003, 10:11 PM
Jim i can't recall the name of the officer on sept 7th but i will talk to some of the other people that were in our group... I know someone will remember a name... At the time this comment was said, there was 8 or 9 big names in street racing standing in our group...
Was the "OK" given on the 07th to race @ Villeneuve or was it during the previous encounter between RCMP & Racers????? |
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| turbomike |
As I figured no body wants to name a name in this deal... I am sorry that I can't help you guys out but I know what was said...
At the time I just didn't pay much attention to the member who said it...
Jimbo the comment was said 2 weeks before the drivers were taped I won't comment on this event anymore, It just won't help...
I just can't find anyone who is willing to give there name and back me up...
I'm sorry if I caused any trouble for you or your members...
This issue is not going to be fair... nomater what happins to the race drivers, You got 9 guys who were racing, but the drivers who race every weekend all summer will get nothing, The races will go on, people will get busted, I guess It's luck of the draw...
I know it's against the law... just like everyone out there, I doo know that the harder the police push the smaller the roads get...
Most of the drivers love the big freeways like the henday...
Whats gona happin? - Street racing is going to be more dangerous if people start racing on dark streets like 137ave into oncoming trafic...
Is that better?
I don't know how you stop this its only going to get bigger, look at Vancover...
p.s. I doo Know of a few big names that are tired of the game, but every year the few that quit are a drop in the bucket... # of cars gets alot bigger every year. I would bet some events next year will have 300 plus cars, I will still go, just to watch, whats the harm in that...
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
First of all anything I say is off the record and is a matter of context and can't be used against me. Any p.o on here willing to use information gathered on
this board against it's users is not welcome understood and I think you know who this is directed towards? Good...
you know what whitegtp and I were out by villeneuve gas station and there were races out there that night in like august i think when 20 ppl or so were handed out tickets, we came down the end and we left... we drove out to the highway and outta nowhere at the end was a blacked out suburban and an rcmp cruiser... he flashed the light in whitegtp and let him go and he stopped me this is the conversation
"Win or lose" - Officer X
"Oh I lost bad" - Me
"i'm tired of you racers around here" - Officer X *flashes light in car*
"get your ass outta here before I write you a ticket and if I ever see you again I will pull you over, strip your car down and give you every single ticket I can think of for any violation... if one headlight is brighter then the other i'll slap you with a ticket..... if you kids wanna race go out on the other side of villeneuve and stay outta my "area" (or something like that cop lingo)" - Officer X
"yes sir, I'm sorry about this have a good night and thanks" - Me
It's not the only time I've had police officers or rcmp instructing me or a friend to "go here" or "go there"
I know that street races are illegal absolutely but the villenueve didn't occur on stony pl. road where half of the racers were .08 or w/e like it was on a two-lane paved road 2 k.m from villenueve town and a ditch on either side real steep with a frost fence preventing ppl from accessing the fence. The prosecutors arguement is that someone coulda got hurt.... Ummm on a 2-lane road hey not going faster (I suspect) then a regular highway or even a freeway. In order to crash into those precious airplanes and fuel tank about 60 ft. on the other side of the chain-link frost fence a racer would have had to fly off the ditch at over 120 kph to blast through the fence and have enough momentum to hit an airplane let alone clear the steep ditch. If you can't follow a straight line for 1/3 of a mile or your car falls apart then it sure as hell will fall apart on Hwy 36 S goin 120 kph won't it :angry: and cars weren't set up for racing gee I didn't know Subuara's and Porsches weren't set up for racing. Slap another seat in em, take out the roll cage, some road-legal tires, headlights and a dash and there's your street car :gay:
I am owning up to what happened... people make mistakes but not a 30-90 day license suspension. The 6 demerits or so and a huge fine would be more then enough. The suspension is quite un-necessary... I'm not complaining but when ppl lie and say it wasn't a set up... so you just happened to have an aux. const. up in that CONTROL TOWER at 10:20 ready to tape until 1:10 a.m hey.... and phone calls prior to anyone showing up with other officers and quite audible during the taping confirming the racers were coming and talks of previous nights. It was set up trust me cause as far as I know the general public doesn't usually have access to a flight control tower... that requires security clearance and a pass.... and after-hours on private property means some arrangement was made with the owner of the airport unless you just happened to break into the tower at night to film a documentary on moths or something and we showed up it was planned and quite well organized believe me.....
I have a question now. If you get a ticket in say ponoka county can a p.o pull up that record if it's not paid or does an r.c.m.p only have access to those sorts of records? My buddy hasn't paid a ticket from like March from around Fort McMurray and I keep telling him a p.o here could pull him over and have access to that info. Is that true? |
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Feb 4 2003, 08:48 AM
I have a question now. If you get a ticket in say ponoka county can a p.o pull up that record if it's not paid or does an r.c.m.p only have access to those sorts of records? My buddy hasn't paid a ticket from like March from around Fort McMurray and I keep telling him a p.o here could pull him over and have access to that info. Is that true?
1) Tickets - it depends what type of ticket it was. If it was a yellow ticket (Offence Notice) anything unpaid will automatically go against your driver's licence. You will find out about it when you go in to re-register you vehicle, renew your licence, etc. As a member on patrol I have no way of learning whether this ticket has been paid other than using an Alberta Justice computer & only our Court liaison member has access to that. If on the other hand the ticket issued was pink (Summons) & it wasn't dealt w/ in Court ... a warrant would be issued for the offender's arrest. Any peace officer w/ access to CPIC (Canadian Police Information Centre) would be able to learn this info.
2) There were a lot of accusations made in your posting that I would love to respond to, but ... this is neither the time nor the place. Any racer that was charged on Sept 07th has the right to face his accusers in a Court of law. Some of them have chosen to go that route while others decided to pay the fine & face the consequences. From your emotions I feel this matter is better left to the Courts.
3) Should the membership of this discussion forum determine that my presence on this forum is no longer requested I shall bow out & leave; however, until that time I will remain & provide whatever information I can!!
Jimbo B) |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| Jimbo I just meant that if you use any info or say someone admits to racing one night... I know it's your duty as an officer of the law to uphold the law but to turn around and use it against em while being on here would be quite un-cool.... I've just had some bad experience with this issue before... not trying to knock your integrity... no offence was intended :mellow: The ticket was a yellow ticket 71 (1) exceeding posted speed limit... he was doing like 80 in a 50 he said and the Cst. told him he'd give him 15 over which was real nice of the guy.... I always hear bad things about r'c's and p.o's from the Ft.Mc area and the lethbridge area but they don't seem all that bad... I mean he saved my buddy like what an extra 2 demerits or so and about $120??? I have another question... I heard it's $30 over for the first 1 k.m then $5 for ever k.m after that... and up to 15 is in one bracket, 30 over another, then double.. etc. Am I hearing right or do I have my wires crossed? I also have a question now... a guy goes by and your radar goes by... he obviously has a scrambler.... do you snuff it off or pull the guy over and search his car, I know this would depend on the officer? Another question is airplanes... how often do they use em? My dad got caught back in the day by one and I thought he was just telling me some tall tale... Thanks for the answers and sorry for being a lil gruff with my reply but you can't tell me it wasn't set up... if you ask me I smell a rat in the underground racing scene... he'll be sniffed out in time :angry: |
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| redbaron303 |
| I've heard inthe US they give spectator tickets, we don't get those here do we? NOthing will stop me from going out and enjoying something. Needless to say I haven't actively participated in the street drags yet, just an occasional jaunt from light to light.... and as a spectator, it's fun! You just have to understand the consequences before you participate in this sort of stuff. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| they'll give you a stunting ticket redbaron so i wouldn't even go watch anymore :( |
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| redbaron303 |
| I still dont think they can do that..... I'm sure I could dig up a witness or two that said the car was parked on the side of the road and no one was in it... I don't watch from the car.... so?! It could be like pretending I don't have a car.... |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by redbaron303@Feb 4 2003, 01:39 PM
NOthing will stop me from going out and enjoying something.
Not even being crippled or killed by an out of control 2700 lb vehicle in the middle of nowhere. I guess that is what everybody calls an "accident". I disagree. |
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| turbomike |
Like I said, the only scarry event that took place all summer was the drunk driver on 137ave.....
That guy was not a racer.......
As a group nobody wants to bend metal or even hurt someone...
The whole thing with spectating or racing is using your brain...
I would guess more people get hurt watching rally than watching street races |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Feb 4 2003, 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Feb 4 2003, 01:39 PM
NOthing will stop me from going out and enjoying something.
Not even being crippled or killed by an out of control 2700 lb vehicle in the middle of nowhere. I guess that is what everybody calls an "accident". I disagree.
You're very right, it's not an accident in the sense of an accident because it could be prevented by us not being there and doing that. However I know the risk I'm taking and continue to take it. My choice, so if I live then I'll live with the consequences.
Similar example being skydivers... jumping out of a perfectly good airplane for no reason.... you can die, get crippled, or have a great time... well I went this last summr and had a blast.
What can I say, i'm willing to chance it for fun. I also however understand the circumstance or what can or might happen.... hopefully everyone else does to.
So yes, it still won't stop me! |
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| redbaron303 |
Because it's illegal.... okay but really.]
I really don't think spectating is any more dangerous than watching a rally or circut race or whatever, just because there are factors in each situation that can make that event dangerous to the spectators. I always say, just beware and try to know your surroundings and make sure you know waht is going on... being an airhead at such an event could be a reaally bad thing.
The question I have, is how many people do they teach how to sky dive that are suicidall..... you know that's not a great mixture! |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by redbaron303@Feb 4 2003, 11:50 PM
I really don't think spectating is any more dangerous than watching a rally or circut race or whatever, just because there are factors in each situation that can make that event dangerous to the spectators. I always say, just beware and try to know your surroundings and make sure you know waht is going on... being an airhead at such an event could be a reaally bad thing.
That's why, for the safety of all involved, one of the legs of the first stage of WRC was cancelled/postponed. Too many spectator's lining the track. |
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| redbaron303 |
Pearly, this is going no where.... I have my view and you have yours. I understand that bad shit can go down, and i hope it never happens to me or anyone I know. I will still do what I do, because I find it entertaining and as of yet has cost me nothing!
I'm sure everyone else has their side to this argument as well... and each of those people will defend their views to the end.... I figure this is the end, but i'll continue to hold my view as you'll hold yours! |
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| Nightstalker |
quote:
Originally posted by turbomike@Feb 4 2003, 09:39 PM
Like I said, the only scarry event that took place all summer was the drunk driver on 137ave.....
That guy was not a racer.......
As a group nobody wants to bend metal or even hurt someone...
The whole thing with spectating or racing is using your brain...
I would guess more people get hurt watching rally than watching street races
The reason that more people get hurt watching ralley is because the dumb ass' always stand on the outside of the sharp ass corners.. Ok lets do the math, 400+ Hp car with all wheel drive.. Big gravel cutter ralley tires, Gravel... Lots of speed and want to go as fast as possiable... = VERY large rocks kicked up on the outside of any corner where the ralley driver can put some power in.. not hard to see why people get hurt... but its there fault for being stupid IMO. |
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