| droppedatbirth |
well my buddy was driving back from a party last night with a couple friends and took a wrong turn...so he pulled into an almost driveway sort of thing....it wasn't a field but bigger than a driveway...well it was all muddy and such so he got stuck and couldn't get it out...tried to rip it out with another but it didn't work so hes like okay we'll get it in the morning
we wake up in the morning and both his dad and the cops are phoning him asking him "do you know where you car is?" hes like yah its stuck im going to get it...the cops are like you better come and check this out
we get there and there is 9 bullets through the grill and the door of his car...the cop said the person used a .45 (not sure on guns...but it sounds like something powerful)
but to top it off...cops don't let him get within 10m of his own car...then throw him into the back of the cop car and bring him to the police station! they tell the rest of us to come with them also...so we get there and since i don't know anything they don't question me...but my friends told the truth to them and everything....but the cops don't believe them...they do believe either 1. he took a gun to his car or 2. we know who did it but won't tell them...
thats a helpful cop for ya |
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| wubba_65 |
| What a load of crap. It's really sad that the G-unit types have to ruin it for everyone that looks under 22 years old. |
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| droppedatbirth |
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Originally posted by wubba_65
What a load of crap. It's really sad that the G-unit types have to ruin it for everyone that looks under 22 years old.
i've had my times with cops that were nice to me....but not in the past year or so...i was even sitting in the lobby waiting for my buddys (for 2 hours) and at least 5 people walked in with some serious problems (hit and run, credit card theft, money stolen on ebay) and the cop behind the desk offered very very minimal help...the guy with the hit and run and the couple with the credit card theft turned to me and asked me if the guy was being serious |
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| 95EagleAWD |
It's a crime scene... of course they won't let you near it.
Your buddy's car is shot full of holes and you expect them to let you piss around it and move stuff?
You're out of your mind... :rolleyes: |
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| 86SilverFox |
| did this happen to be on private property? cause i wouldnt enjoy waking up to an abandoned car. |
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| SaabKraft |
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Originally posted by 86SilverFox
did this happen to be on private property? cause i wouldnt enjoy waking up to an abandoned car.
wouldn't you be more worried why it was there or who it belonged to? some people take this 'private property' thing way too far. |
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| 86SilverFox |
| ya thats what i mean, not saying i would shoot it, my first thought would be stolen, if i was put in the situation i would just call in the plate and let authorities know, but some people really take things to far. |
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| superpirate25 |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
It's a crime scene... of course they won't let you near it.
Your buddy's car is shot full of holes and you expect them to let you piss around it and move stuff?
You're out of your mind... :rolleyes:
Sure, why not? It's not a murder scene, how much evidence do they need to gather?
"Yup, sure are a lot of holes. Looks like they used a .45."
Unless they suspect there was more involved on the part of the vehicles owner, which is probable, since the police love to harass victims and shrug off people who come to them for help.
I love how your post also addressed the issue of the police harassing and detaining the victims in the story. Way to comment on the full spectrum of what happened rather than just picking out one little detail you don't agree with. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by superpirate25
Sure, why not? It's not a murder scene, how much evidence do they need to gather?
"Yup, sure are a lot of holes. Looks like they used a .45."
Unless they suspect there was more involved on the part of the vehicles owner, which is probable, since the police love to harass victims and shrug off people who come to them for help.
I love how your post also addressed the issue of the police harassing and detaining the victims in the story. Way to comment on the full spectrum of what happened rather than just picking out one little detail you don't agree with.
I'm sure the police love to shrug off people who come to them for help. I mean, what are they doing out there? Just drivin' around, trying to pick up the ladies?
It's a crime scene, period. They're not going to let you in it. It's procedure.
I've never, ever been harassed by the cops, so I don't personally have an issue with it. And they sure as hell can take the owner down to a police station and ask him why his car is full of bullet holes. :rolleyes: |
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| Wask |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
I'm sure the police love to shrug off people who come to them for help. I mean, what are they doing out there? Just drivin' around, trying to pick up the ladies?
Did you go to the cart race a few weeks back? Sure looked like thats what they were doing there, except not in a car.
Droppedatbirth did your friend let the cops keep him there? |
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| superpirate25 |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
I'm sure the police love to shrug off people who come to them for help. I mean, what are they doing out there? Just drivin' around, trying to pick up the ladies?
The police are there to protect the wealthy, and those in power, and oppress anybody they characterise as a threat to the status quo. They also play a secondary role as a money collection agency. You can't honestly believe that if somebody from the streets came to them about having something stolen that they would treat it the same as an upper class woman having her purse stolen. Of course not, the purse would make the news (like it did a few years back when there was a string of purse snatchings) and the homeless guy would be shrugged off.
Same thing with when I was hit-and-run. The police basically said there was nothing they could do, but you can bet that if I had a muffler on my car I'd be getting a ticket for it the second they saw it.
Also, I can't even count the number of times I've seen beat cops chatting with buddies and flirting with girls so, yes, a lot of the time they are fucking around, or handing out the ever important traffic violations.
Even more often I've seen the police brush off all kinds of complaints, and act generally unreasonable. Since you have no experience dealing with police it doesn't surprise me you haven't witnessed the way many of them behave,
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It's a crime scene, period. They're not going to let you in it. It's procedure.
Perhaps I don't give a fuck about their procedure. Why is everybody always so quick to bow down to the almighty police force? Stand up for yourself. Or if it's more to your liking, continue on in your pathetic life as a fucking automaton, believing that everything the police do is right, simply because they are the police.
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I've never, ever been harassed by the cops, so I don't personally have an issue with it.
Big surprise there. You seem like just the kind of person who's too afraid to ever do anything outside what society deems acceptable. It's ok, one day you'll learn to question why things around you are the way they are, rather than just accepting it.
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And they sure as hell can take the owner down to a police station and ask him why his car is full of bullet holes. :rolleyes:
One question. Why? It's his car, and his decision how to handle it. He should have the option to discuss it further at the station, not be forced into doing so. If he shot the shit out of his own car, who cares? If he knows who did it but isn't telling them, then that's his own business, since the issue is the damage to his car. If he asked the police for help then that would be a different story.
One thing though. Don't mistake my distaste for the current system of policing as hatred of officers as individuals, and I certainly don't wish them any harm. What is needed is change in the practice altogether.
As far as the way you see things, it's a result of how you have been led to believe. Everybody sees things in a different way. For reference, see sig. |
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| droppedatbirth |
it wasn't on private property....it was just kind off the side of the road
and my buddy didn't really care about all the questioning and such until they accused him of being a coke/heroin dealer. he said what the fuck im calling my lawyer. cops procceded to call my buddy a little lying punk and so on...
i agree cops can be very right sometimes....but they can be very wrong at the same time they need to get off their power trips and actually go out and do something |
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| Markgase2000 |
| wow expensive ammo to waste on a car. |
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| SketchifisT |
Well private property thing happend to my cousin in fort st john 2 winters ago. He admit he was going a bit too fast and crashed, went onto a guys farm, a actually took out a portion of his fence.
Well my cousin battered and bruised , staggers out of his car and sees a Man runnin out to him with a bat , yellin and screamin at him, my cousin ( whos dad is part owner of a construction company ) says his dad will fix it and he is very sorry for it, well atthis the Man beats my cousin up. Gave him broken ribs, a broken fore arm , concussion , accidented just was a spin out and took the fence out so he wasn't too messed up.
But yeah took the guy to court and won, and the guys only defence was "but he crashed on to my property i can do what i want" |
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| toyota_guy |
quote:
Originally posted by superpirate25
The police are there to protect the wealthy, and those in power, and oppress anybody they characterise as a threat to the status quo. They also play a secondary role as a money collection agency. You can't honestly believe that if somebody from the streets came to them about having something stolen that they would treat it the same as an upper class woman having her purse stolen. Of course not, the purse would make the news (like it did a few years back when there was a string of purse snatchings) and the homeless guy would be shrugged off.
Same thing with when I was hit-and-run. The police basically said there was nothing they could do, but you can bet that if I had a muffler on my car I'd be getting a ticket for it the second they saw it.
Also, I can't even count the number of times I've seen beat cops chatting with buddies and flirting with girls so, yes, a lot of the time they are fucking around, or handing out the ever important traffic violations.
Even more often I've seen the police brush off all kinds of complaints, and act generally unreasonable. Since you have no experience dealing with police it doesn't surprise me you haven't witnessed the way many of them behave,
Perhaps I don't give a fuck about their procedure. Why is everybody always so quick to bow down to the almighty police force? Stand up for yourself. Or if it's more to your liking, continue on in your pathetic life as a fucking automaton, believing that everything the police do is right, simply because they are the police.
Big surprise there. You seem like just the kind of person who's too afraid to ever do anything outside what society deems acceptable. It's ok, one day you'll learn to question why things around you are the way they are, rather than just accepting it.
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One question. Why? It's his car, and his decision how to handle it. He should have the option to discuss it further at the station, not be forced into doing so. If he shot the shit out of his own car, who cares? If he knows who did it but isn't telling them, then that's his own business, since the issue is the damage to his car. If he asked the police for help then that would be a different story.
One thing though. Don't mistake my distaste for the current system of policing as hatred of officers as individuals, and I certainly don't wish them any harm. What is needed is change in the practice altogether.
As far as the way you see things, it's a result of how you have been led to believe. Everybody sees things in a different way. For reference, see sig.
:bowdown: superpirate25:bowdown: |
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| 95EagleAWD |
Guess I have a different perspective on the cops since that's what I want to do.
To each their own, and it's obvious I'm not going to convince you otherwise. |
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| curtis_rak |
Superpirate,
You are so far out to lunch its not even funny. Let me explain something to you are about guns and crimes involving guns in Edmonton right now...
I'm not sure if you have picked up a paper, or watched the news lately, but right now Edmonton is on easily on par for a record breaking number of Homicides this year. As I'm sure you know (unless you live under a rock) a lot of them are reported as being gang/drug related, when in fact, MOST of them are. I have a binder that gets updated regularly with gang information and I believe there are about a dozen very active organizations in the city, all of various ethnicities. These groups seem to recruit people on a weekly basis and they grow bigger all the time. All of these groups are known to carry and use guns. Most of these guns are either handguns or a fully-automatic weapon of some sort, none of which have any serial numbers left on them or are registered. But, none of this is really anything new. Its all pretty much standard for most big cities.
I am not really suprised by how 'droppedatbirth' and his friends were treated during their 'wrong turn' either. The fact that they were treated with a bit of suspicion is nothing new to Edmonton and I can't understand why people get so offended that police thouroughly investigate a car that gets shot full of holes by a handgun. How do you know that that same handgun didn't shoot someone a week ago? or wasn't brandished in a conveinience store robbery that night? The evidence that is left by a vehicle getting shot at is INVALUABLE, whether you guys had anything to do with it or not. Besides, if you really have no idea about what happened and you just got stuck taking a wrong turn, why would you be offended and pissed off? You shouldn't feel like you were done some sort of injustice. Most would feel relieved that such matter get taken seriously and that an effort is being put into maybe trying to curb some of the gunplay in the city.
But, all of this being said, its easy for guy guys to bitch on the internet about a 'bad experience'. My suggestion would be to actually do something about and go talk to someone about it if you are so passionate about your injustice...as opposed to hiding behind your keyboard and whining. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
^^^
What he said. Exactly. |
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| 95IntegraRS |
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Originally posted by curtis_rak
Superpirate,
You are so far out to lunch its not even funny. Let me explain something to you are about guns and crimes involving guns in Edmonton right now...
I'm not sure if you have picked up a paper, or watched the news lately, but right now Edmonton is on easily on par for a record breaking number of Homicides this year. As I'm sure you know (unless you live under a rock) a lot of them are reported as being gang/drug related, when in fact, MOST of them are. I have a binder that gets updated regularly with gang information and I believe there are about a dozen very active organizations in the city, all of various ethnicities. These groups seem to recruit people on a weekly basis and they grow bigger all the time. All of these groups are known to carry and use guns. Most of these guns are either handguns or a fully-automatic weapon of some sort, none of which have any serial numbers left on them or are registered. But, none of this is really anything new. Its all pretty much standard for most big cities.
I am not really suprised by how 'droppedatbirth' and his friends were treated during their 'wrong turn' either. The fact that they were treated with a bit of suspicion is nothing new to Edmonton and I can't understand why people get so offended that police thouroughly investigate a car that gets shot full of holes by a handgun. How do you know that that same handgun didn't shoot someone a week ago? or wasn't brandished in a conveinience store robbery that night? The evidence that is left by a vehicle getting shot at is INVALUABLE, whether you guys had anything to do with it or not. Besides, if you really have no idea about what happened and you just got stuck taking a wrong turn, why would you be offended and pissed off? You shouldn't feel like you were done some sort of injustice. Most would feel relieved that such matter get taken seriously and that an effort is being put into maybe trying to curb some of the gunplay in the city.
But, all of this being said, its easy for guy guys to bitch on the internet about a 'bad experience'. My suggestion would be to actually do something about and go talk to someone about it if you are so passionate about your injustice...as opposed to hiding behind your keyboard and whining.
I'm sorry Curt, but I'm gonna have to chime in on this one. If the cops are so worried about investigating gunplay and criminal actions, why does it take 4 cop cars to give me and Sunil exhaust and tint tickets? And then they sit around and bullshit for another 15 minutes before we left and laughed about the whole situation. I really don't like to generalize but every situation I've been in concerning matters of little merit (ie: loitering, general traffic tickets, exhaust and tint tickets, etc) the cops seem to have the resource and manpower to send 2-4 cars to the scene, but Edmonton has an increasing crime rate in terms of homicides and vehicle theft. How many cops does it take to tell a bunch of car enthusiasts to leave a parking lot? Or write them an exhaust ticket? I don't know what the EPS' procedures are concerning these kinds of situations, so perhaps you can enlighten me or at least give me some kind of closure because, as you can tell, I'm a little disgruntled about my recent tickets (tint/exhaust) and the attitude of the police in the city. |
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| curtis_rak |
It makes me feel better actually that our dispatch is sending more than one unit to deal with a large group of people, even if it is only for traffic enforcement. This is the way it works with noisy parties, kids hanging around in a park at night ect. ect.
The way things are going lately all over the city, things can go sideways in a real hurry when we deal with groups of people. All it takes is one person to trigger everone else off and next thing you know it turns ugly. I know it seems like a bit much to send multiple cars, but from our standpoint, we can breathe a bit easier knowing that nothing well erupt at all if our presence is larger.
You are right though, seeing 4 cars at UC or South Common and at the same time having people running around the streets with guns is unerving and frustrating. Trust me, we are frustrated with it to. It all comes down to man-power in the end. If a call comes up on the board that 5 or 10 or 30 people have been complained about, we have to go and deal with it. If we had the bodies to be able to drive around and get guns and drugs off of the street, it would get done for sure. But, you can only do as much as your resources allow. |
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