| mister_two |
price?
and would u ever part out the eclipse conversion or is that goin with the car no matter wat? |
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| DSM |
| Did you ever confront Blaine about the tuning job? |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by Keith303
The car ran great after the rebuild but every time I got it back from zippys/prodrag something new was fucked up eveytime.
It went from a great running car to slowly dying out and finnaly melting a pistion due to impropper tunning.
Pardon me?
If it was running great when you had it rebuilt then why would it even require tuning?
I did what I could with what you had, which did not include a datalogger. You paid for dyno time and I dialed in the MAFT for you to a proven level of boost (17psi) according to the instructions.
You had more than 1000 kms's on it as well, I thought that the boys at AER told you to run it for at least 3000km after the rebuild.
If you only melted ONE piston, then it wasn't tuning related, you have no way of controlling a SINGLE injector which would be the only way to lean out a SINGLE cylinder and melt a piston. If the other pistons look fine, I would suggest an injector failure.
If you recall, when you first brought this to my attention I wanted to find out what happened, but you never got back to me. Sounds like you don't want to diagnose what really went wrong but rather lay blame. I want to find out the cause of a problem instead of bandaiding it. |
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| domenico_169 |
Hey man im interested in the following stuff. that poor car... i remember it from when scott had it. Anyways heres the list, lets work out a price. Mostly for a buddy of mine... but here it is
Fic 650 fic injectors
Autometer cobalt tripple gauge pod 30vac-30boost/EGT/A/F
2.5" upper intercooler pipe
Buschur racing turbo outlet pipe
turbosmart MBC
Slowboy racing ported exhaust manifold
Mitsubishi small 16g turbo (less then 30 000km)
Ported o2 housing
Short shifter ( maybe not... dont think it will work for a 93)
Interested in your ISC.
That ss braided rad hose.
the red mitsu oil cap
The inner wheel wells... just the small part on either side that would like cover the stock smic.
Aeromotive fuel pressue regulator with Gauge
walbro 255 (maybe)
All new front lighting assembly /w H4 headlight conversion (maybe)
Anyways.... that stuff and maybe a few more things... let me know. |
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| n0c7 |
| How much for the GM MAF, and possible the UICP(if it will fit on a 2g)? |
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| v8killah |
I don't think he really wants to part it out, but if he does... dibs on the gauges.
o and tail lights. |
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| domenico_169 |
you guys make me laugh...read my post... LOOK AT THE PARTS I CALLED!! ahahaha. jk. bump.
c'mon man let us know if your gonna part it out. |
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| v8killah |
| Meh you cant have that many parts, dibs on the gauges :p |
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| Keith303 |
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You had more than 1000 kms's on it as well, I thought that the boys at AER told you to run it for at least 3000km after the rebuild.
K thats complete bullshit. for starters 1000km is sufficient and if it wasnt why the fuck didnt you tell me. AER never comented on it so I dont know where you got that from. I asked you everything befor hand if it was ok todo what i wanted done. Basically our conversation "So blain 1000 km of spec driving should be suffient before preformance tunning" "oyah forsure" " So I can have it at 17 psi on stock intercooling" "oh no problem" so on and so fourth...
The car ran great yes, but it was basically stock after the rebuilt exept for small 16g and SS fuel lines. I brought it to zippys to get the maf and injectors installed and which BTW 650s are way to fucking big for a small 16g seeign that you couldnt tune it propperly for me. Big deal I got a half assed fuel curve improvment and increased 60 more whp mainly inpart due to 11 psi going to 17psi. Also after the quality and thouroughness of the work zippys does you couldnt pay me to give me them bussiness again. all they think about is the $$$ signs when someone walks in the door.
The car ran like fucking shit aftter the GM maf was installed which I was told was going to be calibrated with the injectors which was hardly done. Then you get rob from zippys in their flipping dials not knowing what the fuck hes doing. Ill give you credit you tried to get it right but obviously with no avail.
AER said it wasnt tunned propperly to give suffient fuel for the boost thus resulting in a melted piston causing extremely low compression. I never tunned it atall, I left it upto the proffessional.... you do the math. I never followed up on it because I didnt really expect you todo anything to resolve the situation which would mean a rebuilt engine or a new one which would obviosly be out of the question.
also for future reference the TB sensor is supposed to read 5-8% at idle not 0% so thx for that wild goose chase....
Anyways I appreciate all the interest and Im sorry but im going to end up keeping it and putting a jdm engine in next spring. I wated a buy a 2nd gen but im going to be putting a downpayment on a house soon so so car plans get fudged alittle. |
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by Keith303
K thats complete bullshit. for starters 1000km is sufficient and if it wasnt why the fuck didnt you tell me. AER never comented on it so I dont know where you got that from. I asked you everything befor hand if it was ok todo what i wanted done. Basically our conversation "So blain 1000 km of spec driving should be suffient before preformance tunning" "oyah forsure" " So I can have it at 17 psi on stock intercooling" "oh no problem" so on and so fourth...
The car ran great yes, but it was basically stock after the rebuilt exept for small 16g and SS fuel lines. I brought it to zippys to get the maf and injectors installed and which BTW 650s are way to fucking big for a small 16g seeign that you couldnt tune it propperly for me. Big deal I got a half assed fuel curve improvment and increased 60 more whp mainly inpart due to 11 psi going to 17psi. Also after the quality and thouroughness of the work zippys does you couldnt pay me to give me them bussiness again. all they think about is the $$$ signs when someone walks in the door.
The car ran like fucking shit aftter the GM maf was installed which I was told was going to be calibrated with the injectors which was hardly done. Then you get rob from zippys in their flipping dials not knowing what the fuck hes doing. Ill give you credit you tried to get it right but obviously with no avail.
AER said it wasnt tunned propperly to give suffient fuel for the boost thus resulting in a melted piston causing extremely low compression. I never tunned it atall, I left it upto the proffessional.... you do the math. I never followed up on it because I didnt really expect you todo anything to resolve the situation which would mean a rebuilt engine or a new one which would obviosly be out of the question.
Rob started flipping switches?
AER "said", did you ever "see" what happened?
Dean has a good reputation and I am not calling him out or anything, I just want to KNOW what actually happened. What were the results of the leakdown test after the compression test was done? Which cylinder had the "melted" piston? |
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| Keith303 |
All that was done was a compression test yielding really low psi in cylinder # 3 I believe. I was able to drive the car home after it happended but its obviously fucked and who knows how bad the cylinder walls are if it could even be rebored seeing that it was allready bored once.
AER has so many fucking stipulations on warrenty and whatnot I knew from the beginning that I was fucked and out $4000.
I dont really see what it matters. I paid to get it tunned so this didnt happen. I coulda tunned it myself and ended up with the same results and saved 250$
As for rob flipping switches when I brought it there one day he was outside and I had arrived to get my car possibly tunned so it would run right for the 5-6th time, He changed some shit on the maf and later I found out he had no idea wtf he was doing, but hey its not his money or car so why the fuck should he care.
On another note for zippys i was under the impression i was getting a upper intercooler pipe made, not a rediculouse "upper BOV pipe" which is exactly what it was. the welds are disscusting and its of so low quality I would say it was made in a welding 10 class in a highschool. Also when i had my egt gauge installed some idiot there conviently forgets to hook up the main sensor wire to the gauge. where the fuck do they find these guys... and andrew, if your not paying for his time the fucking prick wont even give you the time of day.... I advise evreyone to stay clear of zippys unless you like overpirce under qualified work done.
I hope zippys goes under before they can fuck some more peole around and take the shortcuts that they do.
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by Keith303
All that was done was a compression test yielding really low psi in cylinder # 3 I believe. I was able to drive the car home after it happended but its obviously fucked and who knows how bad the cylinder walls are if it could even be rebored seeing that it was allready bored once.
That doesn't make any sense, #3 is not the leanest cylinder on a 4G63 with a factory intake manifold. #2 should be shot as well if #3 died due to underfueling.
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AER has so many fucking stipulations on warrenty and whatnot I knew from the beginning that I was fucked and out $4000.
I dont really see what it matters. I paid to get it tunned so this didnt happen. I coulda tunned it myself and ended up with the same results and saved 250$
You paid for dyno time, I didn't charge you for tuning.
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As for rob flipping switches when I brought it there one day he was outside and I had arrived to get my car possibly tunned so it would run right for the 5-6th time, He changed some shit on the maf and later I found out he had no idea wtf he was doing, but hey its not his money or car so why the fuck should he care.
On another note for zippys i was under the impression i was getting a upper intercooler pipe made, not a rediculouse "upper BOV pipe" which is exactly what it was. the welds are disscusting and its of so low quality I would say it was made in a welding 10 class in a highschool. Also when i had my egt gauge installed some idiot there conviently forgets to hook up the main sensor wire to the gauge. where the fuck do they find these guys... and andrew, if your not paying for his time the fucking prick wont even give you the time of day.... I advise evreyone to stay clear of zippys unless you like overpirce under qualified work done.
I hope zippys goes under before they can fuck some more peole around and take the shortcuts that they do. [/B]
I had no idea that Rob touched the settings that I calibrated the MAFT for. Did you change them back to the way I had it or did you leave it?
Your issues with Zippy's are with Zippy's. I'll leave it at that. |
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| Keith303 |
well it may not be # 3, im not a mechanic, all I know is what AER told me.
I never tunned a single aspect of that car myself.
prodrag is a great shop that gets parts fast ect ect. I just got the shitty end of the stick in the whole situation.
I realize zippys is not directly associated with PD and you should be lucky as that place is garbage |
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| mister_two |
price?
and would u ever part out the eclipse conversion or is that goin with the car no matter wat? |
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| DSM |
| He said that he is keeping it. |
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| TrevorK |
quote:
Originally posted by Pro Drag
That doesn't make any sense, #3 is not the leanest cylinder on a 4G63 with a factory intake manifold. #2 should be shot as well if #3 died due to underfueling.
You paid for dyno time, I didn't charge you for tuning.
I had no idea that Rob touched the settings that I calibrated the MAFT for. Did you change them back to the way I had it or did you leave it?
Your issues with Zippy's are with Zippy's. I'll leave it at that.
Which is why he should talk to Zippy's - they should be carrying insurance for these sorts of incidents. |
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| Keith303 |
| May be for sale again. I am going to be buying a 90 AWD and swapping some of the parts over, the car will be available as how I listed it minus whaver parts I deciede to keep. |
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| notaturbotalon |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
Which is why he should talk to Zippy's - they should be carrying insurance for these sorts of incidents.
Careful though, don't be too vocal about it, or they'll threaten to sue you, great customer service there.:) |
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| Keith303 |
ya the cust service is great when you are paying for it, any after support is sick aswell as the quality of work done.
Rob was talking to me once casually outfront and andrew seen and gave rob shit cause "I wasnt paying for his valuable time" |
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