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| richdelsol |
| does running in the morning with no food before u go help lose that extra fat over ur body, because i heard that ove rnight ur body uses all the carbs and evergy from the day before which means if you run in the morning with no food in ur stomach and since fat is stored energy its burns off the fat directly instead of ur daily food intake, is this a good way to get cut? (with other diets and workoout routines of course) |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by richdelsol
does running in the morning with no food before u go help lose that extra fat over ur body, because i heard that ove rnight ur body uses all the carbs and evergy from the day before which means if you run in the morning with no food in ur stomach and since fat is stored energy its burns off the fat directly instead of ur daily food intake, is this a good way to get cut? (with other diets and workoout routines of course)
Its not what most of us would consider "healthy" but I been skipping breakfast for years and Im "cut" so ya it does work. It also makes you get lunch lag , you eat then get sluggish. This is from what I noticed in my own experience. Just remember to drink more water if your doing this. |
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| REFLUX |
Down to the very basics, losing fat/cutting is relatively simple:
Use more calories than you are consuming.
Obviously don't starve yourself, eat clean & healthy foods (non-processed) and exercise more. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by richdelsol
does running in the morning with no food before u go help lose that extra fat over ur body, because i heard that ove rnight ur body uses all the carbs and evergy from the day before which means if you run in the morning with no food in ur stomach and since fat is stored energy its burns off the fat directly instead of ur daily food intake, is this a good way to get cut? (with other diets and workoout routines of course)
yes, do your cardio first thing in the morning before you eat anything and after you do your weights.
...of course all the cardio in the world won't help if your diet sucks. :) |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
Its not what most of us would consider "healthy" but I been skipping breakfast for years and Im "cut" so ya it does work. It also makes you get lunch lag , you eat then get sluggish. This is from what I noticed in my own experience. Just remember to drink more water if your doing this.
Im gonna add I may be "cut" or "ripped" but Im also a skinny ass mofo. Id listen to Snugs and Reflux before listening to me they have excellent and "safe" advice.. |
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| JustinL |
You can try this method. I personally don't think it's a great idea and I'll explain why.
First of all, I don't beleive that you use up all your carbs over night so the whole theory is kinda bunk to start with, but we'll go with it anyway.
Your brain tissue is only able to use glucose (carbs) and ketones for energy. If you run out of glucose, your body starts to metabolize protein (muscle) to keep your brain alive with ketones.
As a general rule, the lower the intensity of exercise, the higher the proportion of fat you will use. Right now sitting at my desk I'm using nearly 100% fat metabolism. High intensity exercise will create a high demand for carbs. What this means is that if you decide that running on empty is what you want, you should try to keep the intensity fairly low.
Really what every good weight-loss program boils down to is "eat less and exercise". Reflux has it right, don't starve yourself and keep a balanced diet. |
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| the_fornicator |
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Originally posted by richdelsol
does running in the morning with no food before u go help lose that extra fat over ur body, because i heard that ove rnight ur body uses all the carbs and evergy from the day before which means if you run in the morning with no food in ur stomach and since fat is stored energy its burns off the fat directly instead of ur daily food intake, is this a good way to get cut? (with other diets and workoout routines of course)
the body burns fat 2-3 times faster after 6 to 8 horus of fasting. and yeah, there's no way your body will use up your immediate sources of energy overnight. Doesn't work that way.
to grossly simplify things:
your body won't necessarily use up all the carbs and energy from the day before. the body doesn't work that way. your body uses energy from different parts of your body based on how easily to can obtain it. First, it will utilize the glucose levels in your blood stream and then liver (i.e. immediately available ATP). After that, it will try to work on the glycogen (harder to break down than glucose) stored up in your body. THEN it will start to work on your fat. An in extreme cases, your body will start breaking down your muscle if you have no fat left.
so doing cardio after 6 to 8 horus of fasting won't necessarily help you burn fat faster depending on the immediately available energy you have stored in you.
reason why this works is because if there's little to no food inyour stomach, then your stomach is not monopolizing any of the blood in your body to disgest. as a result, you can hit the readily available sources of energy right quick and start to burn fat faster. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by JustinL
You can try this method. I personally don't think it's a great idea and I'll explain why.
First of all, I don't beleive that you use up all your carbs over night so the whole theory is kinda bunk to start with, but we'll go with it anyway.
Your brain tissue is only able to use glucose (carbs) and ketones for energy. If you run out of glucose, your body starts to metabolize protein (muscle) to keep your brain alive with ketones.
As a general rule, the lower the intensity of exercise, the higher the proportion of fat you will use. Right now sitting at my desk I'm using nearly 100% fat metabolism. High intensity exercise will create a high demand for carbs. What this means is that if you decide that running on empty is what you want, you should try to keep the intensity fairly low.
Really what every good weight-loss program boils down to is "eat less and exercise". Reflux has it right, don't starve yourself and keep a balanced diet.
Pretty much.... overnight your body does not metabolise all the stored glucose/glycogen, but depletes itself sufficiently that it doesn't have a particularly large store to draw upon (especially if you've been eating properly) so it will attempt to get its energy from other stored sources (like fat or muscle) if you exercise. If you go at it too intensely the body pulls what it needs out of the muscles for a short term boost, but if you take it a bit easier and keep your heart rate down the body will go to the stored fat for its energy.
This is essentially why you want to do your cardio after you train, because the weight lifting depletes your glycogen stores similar to the overnight period when you are asleep and not eating.
...although I wouldn't say that you run on fat during the day, you're more than likely running on your glucose stores... (being keto, 100% fat metabolism, is not fun)
Nice link on glucose and glycogen.
http://www.med.unibs.it/~marchesi/glycogen.html |
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| JustinL |
Yep I realized I made that mistake when I said ketones come from protein... that's wrong they come from fat. Protein can actually release genuine glucose. Still bad though because protein is what you want to preserve.
True there is a maintenance level of glucose in the blood. At absolute rest, energy would be derived from nearly 100% fat. (Respiratory exchange ratio of .7) but this isn't the case in the real world so there is always some carbs being burned as well.
The lower the intensity of the exercise, the higher proportion of fat that is used, but lower total number of calories (RER closer to .7). Conversly, the higher the intensity, the higher proportion of carbs are used, but the total amount of burned calories is higher (RER closer to 1). |
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| Xcessive |
Quick question? But ...
If you have not eaten, and your body starts a hard workout, doesnt your body adjust itself to start storing more fat reserves cause it has to adjust to stay efficient?
This is pertaining to daily workouts, first thing in the morning, without having prior nurishment.
Isnt your body going to go "OK every morning I am depleted so I better start having more reserves for these hard times"
Just from what I have seen, the more small meals, the better since in takes lots of energy for digestion....PLUS your body sees all these nutrients and doesnt need to send the signal to store fat instead it knows there is a constant supply so it more freely burns them off.
(for the record, I got this info from a Lab I read about while I was in University. It was done on rats, but interesting study.)
Correct me if I am wrong.... but can anyone verify this?
THE ABOVE....NOT TERRY's comment!
Like Terry said "the key is to burn more calories than you consume!" |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by JustinL
Yep I realized I made that mistake when I said ketones come from protein... that's wrong they come from fat. Protein can actually release genuine glucose.
Glyconeogensis. :D
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Originally posted by JustinL
Really what every good weight-loss program boils down to is "eat less and exercise". Reflux has it right, don't starve yourself and keep a balanced diet.
Werd... I doubt anybody on here needs to worry about anything more complicated than this. :thumbup: |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by Xcessive
Quick question? But ...
If you have not eaten, and your body starts a hard workout, doesnt your body adjust itself to start storing more fat reserves cause it has to adjust to stay efficient?
This is pertaining to daily workouts, first thing in the morning, without having prior nurishment.
Isnt your body going to go "OK every morning I am depleted so I better start having more reserves for these hard times"
I know what you're getting at but I've never heard of or experienced anything like that.... and the next part below will sort of explain why (I hope).
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Just from what I have seen, the more small meals, the better since in takes lots of energy for digestion....PLUS your body sees all these nutrients and doesnt need to send the signal to store fat instead it knows there is a constant supply so it more freely burns them off.
What you're doing is speeding up your metabolism and getting your body accustomed to being fed. If it gets good quality, well balanced food regularly it will stop trying to store stuff for a rainy day and will let its stores of fat start to go down (with proper exercise of course).
If you want the sort of double whammy of forcing the body to work really hard to get the calories you'll have to switch up your diet and try to get the bulk of your carbs from difficult to process fibre sources. Believe me, it ain't fun.... but not as bad as being keto.... that f'in sucks. |
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| JustinL |
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Originally posted by Xcessive
If you have not eaten, and your body starts a hard workout, doesnt your body adjust itself to start storing more fat reserves cause it has to adjust to stay efficient?
That's an interesting question. I think there are a lot of variables that may make a simple answer difficult. The body will react to the stresses that are applied to it. So if you consistantly deplete your glycogen it will endeavour to prevent this from happening in the future. But if you are consitently depleting your fat stores (starvation or semistarvation), I think you may have bigger problems :D
My own philosophy on this is to not be hungry when you are exercising. Not because you may see different results, but because it sucks to be working out when you're blood sugar is low and you don't have any energy. And because it sucks, the quality of your workout suffers. It's much harder to stick with a program that makes you feel like shit than one that makes you feel like a champ every time you're there. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by JustinL
So if you consistantly deplete your glycogen it will endeavour to prevent this from happening in the future.
I do it about once a month as part of my training, what happens is basically after you fully deplete when you go to carb back up your body will refill its liver stores and then overcompensate by pushing more into the muscles... which is a good thing... but if you eat too much you can spill over and fat will be deposited.
No adaptation going on here. :p |
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| Keith303 |
| just do a cycle and you get ripped. its pretty mainstream now |
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| REFLUX |
A cycle as in a steroid/creatine cycle?
I'm sure we all know that steroids aren't a highly preferred method and personally, I almost see creatine as a form of "cheating"
No doubt about it, you DO get the results & get them quickly.
But maybe I'm just lazy and would rather have 2 variables in my workout than 3.
Eat + workout
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Eat + workout + creatine/roids
Just eating & working out is easy to control, no need to watch this & do that or else your liver will die.
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| richdelsol |
| have you don eit b 4 , i heard tere are some side effects |
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| REFLUX |
no I haven't used steroids/creatine before
haven't done much research into it as using these products hasn't ever crossed my mind (at least not where it involves me ingesting them) |
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| richdelsol |
| i would be down to do it but got no where to get it from really and need to talk to someone who already knows |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Ok.. All I know is the Army has PT before a balance breakfast. Could be 2-4km job, 25-100push ups.. plus who knows what else...
If I remember correctly.. my basic was PT at 5:00-6:00 6:00-6:30 was shit shower shave, get ready for breakfast 6:30-7:00 - 7:00 was inspection.. followed by punishment depending how inspection went.. sometimes 15min some times 2 hours. |
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| richdelsol |
| sp creatine help a lot? but must have certain side effects hey? |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by Keith303
just do a cycle and you get ripped. its pretty mainstream now
wtf?
I hope you meant creatine, because doing a cycle means using steroids.
Creatine isn't really going to help you lean out, but its not going to hurt. :) |
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| Markgase2000 |
| My friend Perry went on creatine and he massed up fast. Only thing is he massed like he was retaining water didnt make him look ripped and he was working out like a mofo. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
My friend Perry went on creatine and he massed up fast. Only thing is he massed like he was retaining water didnt make him look ripped and he was working out like a mofo.
That's because creatine makes you hold water. For dieting it might let you train a little harder, but in the end if you want to look dry and lean you'll have to stop taking it so your body can drop the water. :) |
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| Keith303 |
| cycle = roids, roids = mainstream. Its gay reffering to creatine as a cycle. Glutamine is more benifical anyways. |
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| gerrycurl |
| will lower weights+more reps tone mass? |
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| REFLUX |
I actually don't think low weight + high reps tones.
If you want your muscles to show more, you need to decrease your body fat %.
If you don't have enough muscle to show, then you should increase your muscle mass first THEN lower your body fat %.
I believe high reps + low weights works your muscles in a different way.
Because you're doing high reps, it works the "endurance" aspect of your muscles.
As for what kind of visual results you'll see, not really sure.
Once came across something that said:
"Low calorie intake + working out = makes your muscles look deeper & more defined"
but that would basically equate to a "cutting" phase, something this thread is dedicated to. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
I believe high reps + low weights works your muscles in a different way.
Because you're doing high reps, it works the "endurance" aspect of your muscles.
As for what kind of visual results you'll see, not really sure.
Muscles are comprised of slow and fast twitch fibres.
http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/haycock/hst-07.htm |
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