| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| Hey there I was looking to possibly throw a turbocharger on my lil 2.7 but had some questions.... some of them being that what the hell does a turbo do exactly. I'm not gonna pretend like I know like some people do. I think it bolts onto the exhaust manifold.. takes the air which spins some lil turbine.. crushes it and somehow throws it back into the intake kind of like forced air induction? Am I even close to being right? :blink: if not please tell me... and where does a blow-off valve bolt on? I know they're for the purpose of blowing off built up pressure.. from turbos right? Why would it build up and why do you need an intercooler? If you do buy something like a Greddy system are they pretty much able to be modified on most vehicles? I can't throw a Porsche turbo on my 2.7 cause i dunno the exhaust outlets are too small or something like that? and throwing a 3.0L in would be around 10 grand or so and that only gains me about 30 h.p at the wheels and 20 ft/lbs of torque then I could slap a turbo on it for about 3 or 4 g's and that would gain me about 120 h.p realisitcally... so a gain of 150 h.p for 13 g's is not realistic but... I wouldn't know cause PearlyWhiteTSI never did source one out for me.. never got back to me in any event :angry:. Guess I didn't look rich enough when i walked in there :wacko: so anyways... how much is too much to pay for a kit? any reccomendations for brand names etc.? Think it's possible to slap one on a Porsche? All answers to this post are appreciated by a turbo newbie like myself :bigthumbup: |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| ok so I called bigpappa and he said about 3 g's for parts and 2-3g's for labor so realistically and safely i'll say 6 g's all together for the kit and that's running 6 lbs. of boost... sounds quite inviting if you ask me :D but an old one offa carerra 3.2/3.3 adds about 120 h.p or so... i'd be doing 270 horse or so and about 250 ft/lbs of torque... so is that the way to go for performance or what? :blink: |
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| 83b18b1slow |
I do not know very much about cars. But I think I might be able to help some of the questions.
A turbo has two sides on it. An intake and an exhuast side. So on the exhuast side, your exhuast gas helps spin the turbo, and then on the intake side it sucks in new air to go to your engine. It is not your old exhuast air going back into your engine. The exhuast air just spins the exhuast side of the turbo, which inturn is directly connected to your intake side of the turbo. The intake side is the side that brings the new air.
(sorry if my answer is too basic)
A blow-off valve is connected on the intake portion of your turbo piping. It is the piping that comes from the intake side to the throttle body. Say you are going WOT, and then you suddenly get off the throttle to change gears. If you are not equipped with a blow-off valve, your fast moving air from the intake side of the turbo hits a wall. And this sudden stop of air can shorten the life of your turbo. Becuase your turbo gets backed up.
With a blow-off valve, the air freely runs into the atmosphere, or goes back to the first intake part of your turbo piping. When I mean first intake pipe, this is the pipe that comes from your air filter to your turbo.
ummm... I don't know if this explanation is helping, or just confusing you more.
And I'm sure someone with more knowledge on this board can jump in and help. |
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| mrprecidia |
| And the intercooler is too cool the intake charge, as colder air is more dense you dont want to cram hot air into your engine. |
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| ewind |
| I have an scc mag i think it is that fully explains how turbos work .. if you want it, its yours ... hopefully that might help |
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| bigpappa |
| okay heres the answer,to your question,when you are going wot and let off to shift gears your throttle plate closes,causes a super sonic surge or dead air i call it so the air is in full reverse this is bad because that surge causes the turbine side to stall.or break the exashate fins completely off the turbine side.the blow off vavlve lets out the preesure hens resleaseing it in the atmosphere thats what i say |
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| bigpappa |
| as for the intercooler it is dependant on your application,i run methanol and do not run one?i seen non intercooled cars run about 10psi on gas on methanol they run as high as 45psi without intercoolers :angry: |
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| BlueBlur |
SAP:
when the turbo compresses air, it heats up.
hot air-less dense...
cold air more dense...
more oxy molecules...
more power per cc...
the intercooler, cools the intake air after the turbo compressor and before the throttle body. |
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| BlueBlur |
SAP911T:
I'm gonna have to swing by your work tomorrow at lunch...
check out all the fastener stuff.. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
ewind I'm interested in the mag. for sure thanks for offering it I look like an idiot driving a nice car and not knowing about half the shit under the hood or how to mod. it. I picked up some Euro Porsche performance mags but they had newer performance parts and like 10 G brembo ceramic brake kits.... nothing for older rides so it's hard to gather intel. when my car is so long-gone :( That's why I ask you guys
I always knew the colder the air the better and it's because it's more dense and therefore has more oxy molecules and I was told to think of my engine as a vacuum the more cold air it gets the better... to a point. That's why I was thinking about some air induction from that veilside kit for the porsche (the double-deck wing with intake scoops) or directing some vents from the "brake disc cooling slots" or w/e from the turbo or rsr kit i want and with some creative engineering and some nice hoses ram it into my intake. That's not much money to do at all and would sure help. As long as it's done tastefully :P There's that and a turbo kit, throw a intercooler on it and a b.o.v cause that's the coolest sound ever hehe :)
Oh BTW thanks to everyone bigpappa, blueblur, 83b18 and every1 else for the help i understand them better now :D
what are some other things beside forced air induction and turbocharging it? I coudl stroke it for more torque but after-market cranks are impossible and too pricey, could bore it out cause the cylinder walls can take it but pistons for that car are nuts!!!! Could also up my compression but what good does that do? I was thinking about running headers from my manifold to mufflers to tips instead of small-ass pipes to silencer to tip. Duel would be nice on that car and it's a cheap way to gain some h.p right? Any other ideas? |
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| mrprecidia |
| nitrous is the biggest bang forthe buck. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
Ok this is what Street Gear said... for a G or so CDN I should go get MaxRev. to build me a custom manifold and then slap a Garrett.. T46 for $800 or so not including labor?? or something like that on there... nothing more than 150 h.p the guy said and he sounded like he knew what he was talking about.
I call Titan and he says some work here and there, carerra manifold and some custom work, an older porsche turbo and run 6 lbs. of boost and it'll run like that all day...
I call Pro Stock Performance and they don't do turbo's
I call Eurasia Auto and the guy Ron there says I should grab a 3.0L-3.3L set up for turbo otherwise I will spend 6-10 G's rebuilding my Porsche after the first summer of running it under 8 lbs of boost... the guy said I'd be an idiot to slap a custom manifold and go that way and the 2.7 l's are only good to 200 h.p MAX. and this thing is stock and rebuilt last year
I call Euro Auto Parts and the guy knows fuck all about Porsches... I thought Porsches were European?
I call Norden Autohaus and he can get me any STOCK part for my 2.7 which is re-assuring but knew fuck all about performance...
I call Xtreme Machine and Fern was happy to hear from me and he said he'd be more then happy to do the machine work but can't source out parts. He strongly reccomended me looking for performance pistons, connecting rods, heads etc. and I remember having to source them out for big-block chevys and they sounded pricey for them... imagine a porsche! :(
I call Eric at Phat cause he's a good guy and ask him and he says 10 g's to overhaul my engine and slap a turbo on it which is too much he said. He said slap some NO2 on it... a nice 75 shot would be decent and that way you only use it when you want I'm just weary about juice blowing my engine apart...
I'm pretty much out for ideas so now I'm at the dilema.... drive with 150 h.p and shave the heads and do some forced air induction and some more tuning and make it a 175 h.p car or do I go against the reccomendations of euarasia, run 8 lbs of boost on my car with custom manifold, etc. and take my chances of blowing my engine apart or do I grab a 3.0-3.3L engine for 10-14 grand CDN and then turbo it? Or do I run a 75 shot to it and see what happens? LOL watch it explode :tear: Oh are NO2 powered cars allowed on the track though? They are but juice isn't legal to use on it right? Thanks for all the input and replies..
SAP911T :D
Also pushing compression from 9.5:1 to about 10.5:1... what kind of gain would that be? What kind of gain from cold air induction through rear brake vents? I'm just looking for figures here |
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| ManHunter |
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Originally posted by BlueBlur@Feb 3 2003, 10:03 PM
hot air-less dense...
cold air more dense...
more oxy molecules...
more power per cc...
That's also why a car uses more fuel in the winter (besides letting it run at idle for 10 minutes when you start it).
The air is colder in winter, so more dense and you get more oxygen in the cylinder. Your ECU compensate by adding more fuel too to keep the A/F ratio what it should be.
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Feb 3 2003, 03:58 PM
... I wouldn't know cause PearlyWhiteTSI never did source one out for me.. never got back to me in any event :angry:. Guess I didn't look rich enough when i walked in there :wacko:
So you don't remember the first 45 min of our conversation, when Andrew and I layed out all of your option's and costs?
I told you I would get back to you if I could find you a replacement engine, because we told you it would be a shame to overboost that low milage engine for only a few extra HP. I still have not been able to find a reliable source for Porsche engines.
I clearly remember telling you that a Turbo kit, efficient to 14 pounds, including some sort of basic fuel management would cost around $6000, plus install. I also told you that you would need to go into the engine internals in order to run anything over 5-6 lbs of boost consistently.
The last comment which I have quoted, I find particularly distressing. I do not judge people in any way shape or form. In any event, if you drive a Porsche, you must have some money, and that is why Andrew and I took the time to go through your options. Do you not remember us asking what type of fuel injection you had, so we would not quote inaccurate #'s? Or us telling you that heat dissipation would be your biggest enemy since you are air cooled?
In any event at least the people on this forum have the other side of the story. :bigthumbup: |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Feb 4 2003, 04:36 PM
... shave the heads and do some forced air induction and some more tuning and make it a 175 h.p car or do I go against the reccomendations of euarasia, run 8 lbs of boost on my car with custom manifold, etc. and take my chances of blowing my engine apart or do I grab a 3.0-3.3L engine for 10-14 grand CDN and then turbo it? Or do I run a 75 shot to it and see what happens? LOL watch it explode :tear: Oh are NO2 powered cars allowed on the track though? They are but juice isn't legal to use on it right? Thanks for all the input and replies..
SAP911T :D
Also pushing compression from 9.5:1 to about 10.5:1... what kind of gain would that be? What kind of gain from cold air induction through rear brake vents? I'm just looking for figures here
I hope by saying "forced air induction" at the begining, you don't mean turbo or supercharging, along with shaving the head. Shaving the head will increase the compression ratio, when you usually want to keep the same or even lower the compression ratio in a forced induction application.
NO2 is ONLY "legal" for use ON the track. Big fines if you are caught with an "armed" NO2 system on the streets. |
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| Loose |
I would do a modest 6-7 psi turbo kit if I were you. Be careful of shops promising the world for dirt cheap... if it sound too good to be true... it probably is!
This is what I envision for you best bang for the buck set-up:
1. Stock motor
2. Custom manifolds, piping, intercooler, etc.
3. Off the shelf turbo, maybe a T3/T4 or T4 variant. Get a large A/R, bigger than you think you need. Since your motor is air cooled, you need a bigger A/R to keep exhaust heat to a minimum. This is an old golden rule of the 911's (thanks Corky!).
4. Good engine management, ie. Standalone. The one thing you seem to have completely overlooked is this. SDS's are cheap, but work better than a ghetto rigged system of oversized injectors, AFC's, and fuel pressure regulators.
If you're going to do it, do it right. I can see this costing $8K minimum. I'd be very leary of running more than 10 Psi boost on your motor EVER if the compression is stock. We're on 91 octane pee water at best here.
With nitrous, you could probably run a 75 shot ok. That is good bang for the buck. Get a competent shop to install it though, cause one false move and boom.
Here is a number for you to call... they are in Calgary and make Porsches go fast. I don't know if their any good, but they probably have some experience with cars like yours:
Alpine Autowerks Phone: (403)287-9114 |
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| Loose |
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Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Feb 4 2003, 04:05 PM
The last comment which I have quoted, I find particularly distressing. I do not judge people in any way shape or form. In any event, if you drive a Porsche, you must have some money, and that is why Andrew and I took the time to go through your options.
Aren't you contradicting yourself in this statement? |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| oh shit I looked at my post and noticed I didn't even mention the like 1 1/2 hrs. pearly and the boss talked to me telling me options.. that post looks pretty mean.. nice guys and definately weren't a shop telling me to slap on a turbo and go... good prices and knowledgable... I just wanted to rib ya about not gettin back to me bout sourcing out a engine which can be tough to find i'm sure, sorry dude! ;) |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
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Originally posted by Loose@Feb 4 2003, 04:53 PM
I would do a modest 6-7 psi turbo kit if I were you. Be careful of shops promising the world for dirt cheap... if it sound too good to be true... it probably is!
This is what I envision for you best bang for the buck set-up:
1. Stock motor
2. Custom manifolds, piping, intercooler, etc.
3. Off the shelf turbo, maybe a T3/T4 or T4 variant. Get a large A/R, bigger than you think you need. Since your motor is air cooled, you need a bigger A/R to keep exhaust heat to a minimum. This is an old golden rule of the 911's (thanks Corky!).
4. Good engine management, ie. Standalone. The one thing you seem to have completely overlooked is this. SDS's are cheap, but work better than a ghetto rigged system of oversized injectors, AFC's, and fuel pressure regulators.
If you're going to do it, do it right. I can see this costing $8K minimum. I'd be very leary of running more than 10 Psi boost on your motor EVER if the compression is stock. We're on 91 octane pee water at best here.
With nitrous, you could probably run a 75 shot ok. That is good bang for the buck. Get a competent shop to install it though, cause one false move and boom.
Here is a number for you to call... they are in Calgary and make Porsches go fast. I don't know if their any good, but they probably have some experience with cars like yours:
Alpine Autowerks Phone: (403)287-9114
bigpappa from Titan promised me a 6 lbs of boost turbo that would run all day for a good 6 grand or so which sounds pretty good then. I'm keeping the same motor I think cause it's cheaper, but what does the T mean in T3/T4? And what is an A/R? And what are SDS's? What are AFC's? I was thinking about Eric (PHAT Performance) maybe to install it or Xtreme Machine... or Titan since I might be going there already. If I do run 6 lbs. of boost on the car with Garrett turbo or something though adding we'll say 100 h.p so not too big of a turbo.... and then a 75 shot of NO2..... is that too much for my car or what? |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by Loose@Feb 4 2003, 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Feb 4 2003, 04:05 PM
The last comment which I have quoted, I find particularly distressing. I do not judge people in any way shape or form. In any event, if you drive a Porsche, you must have some money, and that is why Andrew and I took the time to go through your options.
Aren't you contradicting yourself in this statement?
Kinda :P . What I meant to say was, if I had no idea who SAP911 was when he walked in, and said he had a Porsche and wanted to turbo it, I would hit him with a price just like everybody else who walks through the door.
Usually the tirekicker's take the price into their head and leave. SAP911 had alot of knowledge of his car objectively speaking, and didn't head for the door telling me he would "be in touch in the next week or so" when I told him a price. This is why we were more than happy to spend time and give him a variety of options.
Last week I had a guy pull up in a Chevy "boogie" van with an aero kit straight out of the late 70's. He wanted a 62" spoiler for the top of his van. Looking out the window at the van, trying to get a handle on this guy (who looks oddly like a strung out Kid Rock who hasn't shaved in a couple of days), I was invariably forced to ask " 62" wide or high?". He says he want's his van to look like the "A-Team" van from the TV show. Roof spoiler aside, he wanted a price on a 600HP naturally aspirated 350 Chev motor, "bulletproof" transmission and rear -end (because he had gone through 4 tranny's and 9 rear ends the summer before). The van looked like it had a hard time making it to the shop, let alone breaking 4 tranny's and 9 rear ends. Nevertheless I quoted him a price, he says "when can you start?", i'm thinking that I was right, you can never judge a book by it's cover. I tell him we can start as soon as he puts half down. That's when he starts for the door and says he will be back within a week with the downpayment so we can get started.
Will he be back? Only time will tell.......... |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Feb 4 2003, 06:08 PM
I'm keeping the same motor I think cause it's cheaper, but what does the T mean in T3/T4? And what is an A/R? And what are SDS's? What are AFC's? I was thinking about Eric (PHAT Performance) maybe to install it or Xtreme Machine... or Titan since I might be going there already. If I do run 6 lbs. of boost on the car with Garrett turbo or something though adding we'll say 100 h.p so not too big of a turbo.... and then a 75 shot of NO2..... is that too much for my car or what?
T3 and T4 are just family name's that Garrett gives to it's turbo's, the T4 being the larger family.
SDS = Simple Digital Systems, manufacturer's of stand alone engine managment systems.
AFC= Air Fuel Corrector/Computer, used to "fool" your stock computer and achieve a desired Air/Fuel ratio.
Theoretically, if you add another atmosphere of pressure into your engine (approx. 14 psi) you double the engine's displacement/output, that is if you add in an equivalent amount of fuel.
I seem to remember you mentioning your car had an output of 160 HP @ the crank? Correct me if I am wrong. That being said adding 6 lbs of boost and equivalent fuel will net you at the absolute MAXIMUM 70 HP @ the crank, even less if you don't intercool it. These #'s are only true on paper, as real life frictional and heat losses take their toll.
My opinion, 6 lbs of boost plus a 75 shot = a molten pile of ass that used to be an engine, IF you don't do the internals. Heat dissipation remains your biggest enemy, did anybody else mention that?
Our Tech's have turbo'd Porsche's in the past, and know what is involved, that's how we arrived at our #'s we quoted you. Good luck on your project if you choose to go with another shop. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| so Pearly... the price you gave me of about 8 g's was parts and labor and beefing up the engine? |
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| Pro Drag |
| The 8 g's was parts; Turbo Kit plus pistons and rods. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| ok i've done some research cause I didn't think you could juice a vehicle w/o beefing it up.. porsche experts from oregon tell me 100 h.p+ over stock requires turbo billet rods which run 1600 CDN which is hella expensive considering some beefy connecting rods for a chevy will run you 600 :tear:. I was also told that with naturally aspirated cars changing the gear ratio, re-doing exhaust, doing cams and intake manifold, and shaving the heads for higher compression were all safe to do w/o beefing up the engine. Two new cams and all h/d brand new ones with more lift and longer duration will run me 800 CDN. A new flywheel too I don't know why... for 600 CDN. New copper gaskets at $160 or so. New "performance" ignition amplifier at $200, new coil at $100. Ok I come across wastegates and look at them... but what the hell are they? $700 to port and polish heads/manifolds AND rebuild them using new valve guides, valves, teflon seals etc. That's not including parts but I'm told I should do that too. The performance valves are $75/head for the set of 2 so $450 plus $700.... $1200 and I have the heads and manifolds race ready. $1400 for a set of 6 race ready forged aluminum pistons, come with rings and other h/w and I can then bore out my 2.7 to a 2.8 to be safe MAYBE 3.0 if i'm pushing it and the cylinder walls can handle it and i'd be running 11.1:1 compression and I can still run on 87 Octane I'm told. $1000 to get a custom performance rebuild kit which beefs up all gaskets, shims, pins, seals, etc. A brand new race-ready "915" tranny is $1200 CDN and this is a totally beefed up tranny it says. And then $1300 for a race-ready clutch and all assembly. So now I've sourced out all performance parts and prices.. what's really necessary to do? What should be done.. what's optional? |
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| bigpappa |
okay okay i talked to my friend yesterday eddy bello,i have a turbo that will work on that car,second of all why would you put billet rods in that motor??eagles work good for half the price?????????second of all on a turbo car alot of lift is bad if it is gonna run on the street,my question is why do all the shops seem to think everyone who walks in of the street want the best money can by?????i get pistons for 999.99 and cheaper????you got to think of the porsche the same way you think of a harley with a turbo, air cooled high compression just add the fuel and timing and tune it and bang there you go 6psi on the street!SECOND OF ALL ANYTHING YOU GET QOUTED FROM PRO-DRAG OR ZIPPIES I WILL BEAT IN PRICING GARRANTUED???call titan
1-780-484-7003 or toll free na 1-888-284-2305 thanx :thefinger: |
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| BlueBlur |
:o
whoa...
good way to start a flame war...
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very uncool. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Feb 5 2003, 09:32 AM
SECOND OF ALL ANYTHING YOU GET QOUTED FROM PRO-DRAG OR ZIPPIES I WILL BEAT IN PRICING GARRANTUED???call titan
1-780-484-7003 or toll free na 1-888-284-2305 thanx :thefinger:
Anything ^ writes I will try to translate into proper english and grammar, FREE OF CHARGE!
Like I have stated in the past, we do our talking at the track, that's why we have the fastest SHOP car to date. |
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Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Feb 5 2003, 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Feb 5 2003, 09:32 AM
SECOND OF ALL ANYTHING YOU GET QOUTED FROM PRO-DRAG OR ZIPPIES I WILL BEAT IN PRICING GARRANTUED???call titan
1-780-484-7003 or toll free na 1-888-284-2305 thanx :thefinger:
Anything ^ writes I will try to translate into proper english and grammar, FREE OF CHARGE!
Like I have stated in the past, we do our talking at the track, that's why we have the fastest SHOP car to date.
I have to agree there.... mind you, I think it's the only true shop car out there.... I don't even think the phat civic is a real shop car (i've heard that it was and wasn't build by him...) either way, you're still faster! |
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| Pro Drag |
It's in one of the recent magazine's as being built by Phat Performance.
Titan Motorsports had an R100 competing last year.
The E-Z motorsports Civic was out there defending it's "national title".
I know some of the other shops in town have "flagship" cars, but they never RACE them at the track. |
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| redbaron303 |
I guess if they don't want the braggin rights as being the fastest shop, then so be it.... take em pearly :)
I wouldn't mind seeing more shop cars out... the list isn't very big and some of them aren't very impressive even though it seems like lots of work has gone into each... |
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| REDX2NV |
omg i remeber that titan hunk o junk factory car with the turbo sticking out of the hood. looked mean, but man shoud at least run faster than 14 seconds?
pro drag=proven performance.
pro drag>titan. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
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omg i remeber that titan hunk o junk factory car with the turbo sticking out of the hood. looked mean, but man shoud at least run faster than 14 seconds?
If I remember correctly they blew something apart in that car cause of the huge turbo. R100's if done right, are proven 9 second cars in the States... I've seen a vid. with one. And Pro Drag/Zippy's has been around for how long now..... exactly... Titan is new within I dunno the past 3 yrs. and don't have their name out there w/e shop does my car is gonna have a huge decal in my back window if I'm happy with their work. I'm just shopping around for prices at shops right now getting prices ranging from 4 grand-12 grand installed but it seems like just cause I shop around shops get all cranky and pissy at me this is a huge investment and I want the best bang for my buck with the best workmanship possible for the price paid... that's a huge gap considering everyone is telling me the same thing, new rods, pistons, port/polish heads and re-do all valve work. The crank and tranny can take another 150 h.p cause they use the "915" tranny in early model 80's turbos pushing 267 h.p. What bugged me is all these people telling me things from buying a 3.3L turbo for 10G's USD to ppl saying put a 75 shot on it and don't need to do any work to ppl saying re-do clutch, heads, manifolds, pistons, rods. Is it ppl trying to take money from you or is it that shops don't know what they're talkin' about? This is what I want..... new rods, new pistons, port/polish heads w/valve work, new intake manifold to increase cfm's and a manifold and piping that'll allow a turbo to bolt on no problem. I want 300 h.p out of my car that's it.... 300 at the wheels that's it... not looking for some supercar just a 14 sec. car that's respected at the tracks. :( |
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| prophet_ca |
| didn't read the whole post, but buy maximum boost by corky bell, if you wanna know about turbo's.. it tells you a lot of the stuff you need to know... you can borrow it from me if you want.. |
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| Loose |
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Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Feb 5 2003, 07:51 PM
The E-Z motorsports Civic was out there defending it's "national title".
I just wanted to quote this so we could all laugh again :bigthumbup: |
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| bigpappa |
| first of all my r-100 went 13.5 at 110mph and another thing is i would like to see a shop acomplish that for $2000.00 second of all titan will be debuting a car at the powerama for sure, all you said pro-drag proven i issue a challenge our crx verses your civic on one place stews dyno to show which shop can make the most power?if you refuse i will understand it might fall apart on the dyno,i will bring some fire extiguishers!i tell you right now you ask around ,on this forum to people like loose and markis ,t51r and they will tell you this year you better hope to lose your vioce because if you think the track will do the talkin your mistaken?another thing is you talk about craftsmanship you better get your facts straight pearly?andrew has blown up more high performance cars then he has built?working with him is like russian rulet but wait you don't play that your customers do?phats car is a shop car and good for eric i'am happy knowing that his civic would feed that emberasement of a car you call a race car?so i guess i will see you andrew at nhra/ihra tech on the 29 of march right?real cars got to go get certified before competeing?oh and by the way it wasn't my turbo stickin out of my hood it was my engine,that shows how well you know automotives geez? :thefinger: oh by the way does the zippies pro-drag civic want to put a challenge up?titan isn't scared of a little friendly competion,the question is are you???if you don't accept i understand you don't want to really show people you don'r know what you guys are doin,well i will wait for the challenge to either be accepted or not ?the ball is in your court put up or shut up? :thefinger: |
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| H22_TURBO |
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Originally posted by Loose@Feb 6 2003, 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Feb 5 2003, 07:51 PM
The E-Z motorsports Civic was out there defending it's "national title".
I just wanted to quote this so we could all laugh again :bigthumbup:
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Feb 6 2003, 12:02 PM
first of all my r-100 went 13.5 at 110mph and another thing is i would like to see a shop acomplish that for $2000.00 second of all titan will be debuting a car at the powerama for sure, all you said pro-drag proven i issue a challenge our crx verses your civic on one place stews dyno to show which shop can make the most power?if you refuse i will understand it might fall apart on the dyno,i will bring some fire extiguishers!i tell you right now you ask around ,on this forum to people like loose and markis ,t51r and they will tell you this year you better hope to lose your vioce because if you think the track will do the talkin your mistaken?another thing is you talk about craftsmanship you better get your facts straight pearly?andrew has blown up more high performance cars then he has built?working with him is like russian rulet but wait you don't play that your customers do?phats car is a shop car and good for eric i'am happy knowing that his civic would feed that emberasement of a car you call a race car?so i guess i will see you andrew at nhra/ihra tech on the 29 of march right?real cars got to go get certified before competeing?oh and by the way it wasn't my turbo stickin out of my hood it was my engine,that shows how well you know automotives geez? :thefinger: oh by the way does the zippies pro-drag civic want to put a challenge up?titan isn't scared of a little friendly competion,the question is are you???if you don't accept i understand you don't want to really show people you don'r know what you guys are doin,well i will wait for the challenge to either be accepted or not ?the ball is in your court put up or shut up? :thefinger:
We have already dyno'd the Sivik on Stew's Dyno.
Dyno #'s count for something, but E.T. and MPH show the tuning involved in ALL aspects of the car.
See you at Bud Park! |
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Feb 6 2003, 09:12 AM
.. And Pro Drag/Zippy's has been around for how long now.....
Pro Drag was incorporated in January of 2001. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Feb 6 2003, 12:02 PM
... i issue a challenge our crx verses your civic on one place stews dyno to show which shop can make the most power?
Already have the Dyno sheets, scanned and all.
Post the dyno sheets of your CRX and we'll post the dyno sheets of the Sivik. |
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| prophet_ca |
| whoa intense battle between titan and pro-drag.. nice |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by prophet_ca@Feb 6 2003, 10:59 PM
whoa intense battle between titan and pro-drag.. nice
Not really, we are the defending champs from last season, only natural that the wannabe's try to make a name for themselves by slagging us.
See everybody at the track! :bigthumbup: |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| I feel kinda bad cause I think I provided the space to do it :P pro drag (can't remember your name sorry dude) when will you have that other car up and ready for racing? |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| my last question now... I know the 2.7 L's have a problem with head stud bolts letting go so I would need to replace those and why not polish/port the heads while you're at it and then also re-do valves and guides, seals, and all that... what does canting do to the heads and is it worth increasing the size of the valves? All that's essential to beef up my engine is some strong connecting rods and some new heads right? Nothing more then? Everything like new manifolds and head work is optional? |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by PearlyWhiteTSI@Feb 6 2003, 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Feb 6 2003, 12:02 PM
... i issue a challenge our crx verses your civic on one place stews dyno to show which shop can make the most power?
Already have the Dyno sheets, scanned and all.
Post the dyno sheets of your CRX and we'll post the dyno sheets of the Sivik.
Balls in your court bigpappa. |
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| bigpappa |
| your sheets are bullshit,why don't we invite everybody to watch at stews dyno to do the pulls?best out of three?now the balls in your court? :thefinger: |
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| redbaron303 |
Chill out guys, it's not the end of the world as to who has the fastest car... at least not until there are big payouts for you guys!
I've seen zippy's civic run... good and bad runs, I've seen that black supra run good and bad runs and he's the fastest car we've got times for as of now.... With that said, just keep trying to out do each other, it'll make it more interesting for the spectators, but on that same note there is no reason to have some little war over this now.... unless you see the track as being open?!
I would be interested in seeing what both of your cars would pull on a dyno.... why don't you guys set that "contest" up for when stew brings his dyno out to budpark for BOI or another event. Then you can prove to yourselves and then other ppl that actually care how much power your cars have then and there, followed by a good run against each other to prove which car actually is driven better or connects and uses it's power better?!
Hows that sound? Setup dyno pulls followed by a good race at budpark to prove who has the better drivers and machines then, come SUMMER.... :o |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Feb 10 2003, 09:24 AM
your sheets are bullshit,why don't we invite everybody to watch at stews dyno to do the pulls?best out of three?now the balls in your court? :thefinger:
I won the pool! :bigthumbup: I knew you would come back with something like that.
The sheets came from Stew's Dyno, so how can they be bullshit, he has one of, if not THE most accurate dyno around.
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i issue a challenge our crx verses your civic on one place stews dyno to show which shop can make the most power?
Our sheets are scanned and ready to post, just like you requested, Stew can back them up if you choose to call bullshit.
I see you choose to talk smack rather than put up your #'s. :thumbsdown:
Could this be why?:quote:
I just saw it yesterday. Nice clean civic, leather intereror is nice as well. Lino said it was dynoed on Stew's Dyno at 210 rwhp.
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Feb 7 2003, 08:09 AM
I feel kinda bad cause I think I provided the space to do it :P pro drag (can't remember your name sorry dude) when will you have that other car up and ready for racing?
The blue car? |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| well i don't wanna give it away if it's a "secret" the russian guy's ride you pointed out towards the front of the shop |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Feb 10 2003, 01:38 PM
well i don't wanna give it away if it's a "secret" the russian guy's ride you pointed out towards the front of the shop
That project is rather *hush hush* thanks for asking. Hoping to debut it this spring. Lots of work to do still.
Currently working on polishing off some customer jobs before we can concentrate on our own stuff. :bigthumbup: |
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| bigpappa |
| first of all pearly it is a crx ,b16 turbo car so you just wanna put up dyno sheets on the internet??or do you wanna show the people the truth?????? |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by bigpappa@Feb 10 2003, 03:17 PM
first of all pearly it is a crx ,b16 turbo car so you just wanna put up dyno sheets on the internet??or do you wanna show the people the truth??????
My dyno sheets = reality. Like I said earlier in the thread, if you want to call bullshit, Stew was there, he can back us up.
Do you have any Stew's Dyno sheets, so we can compare apples to apples? Dynojet's are notorious for inflating HP #'s. |
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