| DomesticKilla |
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Originally posted by Adam
I can go out tomorrow and buy a bike and run 10's too...
Who said bike? |
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| SilverZ24 |
| Computer game car? :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: |
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| Insomniac |
| snowmobile? LOL |
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| ae1969 |
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Originally posted by Insomniac
snowmobile? LOL
ROFFFFLLLLLLLLLLL
4WD QUAD.........
LOLOLOLOL |
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| Cody D |
I'd just like to defend bikes for a second, Adam you say that a bike isn't impressive because anyone can buy one, but I think that is what's so great about them. It's so simple, power vs. weight. I know spending time, money and effort making something not so fast into something fast like you have done with the Neon is very rewarding and actually takes skill, but I like the fact that I can use my bike as a daily driver, I can use my bike as a race vehicle (low 10's stock), and I can buy it for less than I've put into my Talon.
Also I was DomesticKilla, just trying to pick on Nathan, but you guys did too good of a job defending him. All winter we bugged each other about who would run the fastest times this year, and not including my bike he beat me, especially in trap speed. Didn't mean to piss anyone off. |
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| Adam |
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Originally posted by Cody D
I'd just like to defend bikes for a second, Adam you say that a bike isn't impressive because anyone can buy one, but I think that is what's so great about them. It's so simple, power vs. weight. I know spending time, money and effort making something not so fast into something fast like you have done with the Neon is very rewarding and actually takes skill, but I like the fact that I can use my bike as a daily driver, I can use my bike as a race vehicle (low 10's stock), and I can buy it for less than I've put into my Talon.
Also I was DomesticKilla, just trying to pick on Nathan, but you guys did too good of a job defending him. All winter we bugged each other about who would run the fastest times this year, and not including my bike he beat me, especially in trap speed. Didn't mean to piss anyone off.
AHHH HAAAA
the truth comes out!!:thumbup:
The only reason I reacted the way I did was because you were saying that NTM should learn how to drive, and his times werent all that good...acting like a dick...so I in return responded with the same disrepect you were giving Nathan. I do respect bikes and the technology in them to go that fast is amazing...but what I said is true, I can go get one tomorrow and run a 10, but after I ran that time I wouldnt be comparing my slip with a car, I would be looking for a another bike...follow?
Now that its all a joke, we can all laugh it up. Good prank Cody, way to stir the pot!!:lol: :lol: |
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| Cody D |
| I plan to sell my R1 next summer, I've had my fun and almost killed myself enough, also I need to beat a 12.1 with my Talon. |
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| DarrylBleau |
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Originally posted by Cody D
I plan to sell my R1 next summer, I've had my fun and almost killed myself enough, also I need to beat a 12.1 with my Talon.
Yeah I was going to say.. the problem with a bike is there are only two types of riders... |
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| NTM |
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Originally posted by Cody D
I plan to sell my R1 next summer, I've had my fun and almost killed myself enough, also I need to beat a 12.1 with my Talon.
You're going to need to do alot better than a 12.1 next year.
Tires puts me in the 11s.
Little suspension work and I've got 10s.
I'm also thinking about skipping the whole "700hp was fun, wonder what 800 would be like" progression and bolting up a ptk t88 kit.
1000+ with a proper build up, muhahaha ! |
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| Ron@Revolution |
quote:
Originally posted by NTM
You're going to need to do alot better than a 12.1 next year.
Tires puts me in the 11s.
Little suspension work and I've got 10s.
I'm also thinking about skipping the whole "700hp was fun, wonder what 800 would be like" progression and bolting up a ptk t88 kit.
1000+ with a proper build up, muhahaha !
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by NTM
You're going to need to do alot better than a 12.1 next year.
Tires puts me in the 11s.
Little suspension work and I've got 10s.
I'm also thinking about skipping the whole "700hp was fun, wonder what 800 would be like" progression and bolting up a ptk t88 kit.
1000+ with a proper build up, muhahaha !
Bring it.
Fate on our side, we'll 'have something for ya' next year :P. On pump gas to boot. |
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| SilviaDrifter |
darryl get that dam 3rotor in the 10s
its very do-able hahaha |
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| NTM |
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Originally posted by DarrylBleau
Bring it.
Fate on our side, we'll 'have something for ya' next year :P. On pump gas to boot.
Buying a supercharged camaro ?
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| ae1969 |
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Originally posted by NTM
Buying a supercharged camaro ?
:lol:
ROFFFFFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLl
Thats exactly what I was thinking when he posted that.
I think you will be pretty safe NTM. There are only handfull of cars that may take you from a standstill on this board. Thats assuming they are able to stay in one piece for that run. |
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| NTM |
Ahhh, I just like bugging Darryl :blue:
I don't doubt the "have something for me" part, but pump gas ?
Could maybe get the skyline to the 600hp mark on pump with a very careful selection of parts and good tuning, but realistically, I can't see that happening :dunno: .
Hey and what's with the "bring it on" stuff ?
I think that'll be up to you now, no ? |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by NTM
Could maybe get the skyline to the 600hp mark on pump with a very careful selection of parts and good tuning, but realistically, I can't see that happening :dunno: .
Think triangles, 3 of them, with more than one turbo. |
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| NTM |
| Let me get this straight, your going to setup a high effort rotary to run on pump gas, because they're so resistant to detonation, right ? |
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| red88.n/a.rx |
| lol no hes doing it cause there fuel efficient.. :D |
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| SilviaDrifter |
perif port 3rotor:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
see i knew it had to do something with the triangles of fury |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by NTM
Let me get this straight, your going to setup a high effort rotary to run on pump gas, because they're so resistant to detonation, right ?
14lbs of boost isn't that high effort.:cool: |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by SilviaDrifter
perif port 3rotor:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
see i knew it had to do something with the triangles of fury
Nope, street port, nothing more.
Abel Ibbara has tried everything in the book, he settled on a street port. I think he knows what he is doing. |
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| DarrylBleau |
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Originally posted by NTM
Buying a supercharged camaro ?
:lol:
After I finish beating my dog and getting the mullet shaped properly to fit under the ball cap, yup.
Though I think I'm going to need to install a trailer hitch on it so I can tow the fuel tank behind me that I'm going to need to make it down the 1/4 :P |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by DarrylBleau
After I finish beating my dog and getting the mullet shaped properly to fit under the ball cap, yup.
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by NTM
Ahhh, I just like bugging Darryl :blue:
I don't doubt the "have something for me" part, but pump gas ?
Could maybe get the skyline to the 600hp mark on pump with a very careful selection of parts and good tuning, but realistically, I can't see that happening :dunno: .
Yeah I'm just buggin' too. It's going to be a loooong winter. We need to do something to keep entertained.
All the cars run pump gas, always. Every time we've ever run in any car has always been on pump. In my eyes, if you can't realistically drive the car from Florida to Alberta with the same performance that you bring to the track, then you aren't driving a _street_ car at the track. Frantically searching for C16 every 3-4 hours does _not_ count as a realistic cross-country car :)
Yeah ok so I don't know how far we're going to get on pump, but we've been doing well so far and we're going to do our damndest to do better.
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Originally posted by NTM
Hey and what's with the "bring it on" stuff ?
I think that'll be up to you now, no ?
No no.. it's still up to you:
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| SilviaDrifter |
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Originally posted by Pro Drag
Nope, street port, nothing more.
Abel Ibbara has tried everything in the book, he settled on a street port. I think he knows what he is doing.
ohh i know u wont be doing a perif port
but im jus saying wow a perif port 3rotor wud be sweet and louddddddd |
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| DarrylBleau |
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Originally posted by SilviaDrifter
but im jus saying wow a perif port 3rotor wud be sweet and louddddddd
Well, it would be one of those anyway. :) |
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| NTM |
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Originally posted by DarrylBleau
No no.. it's still up to you:
:lol:
Race from a roll ?
And you're closer to a mullet than me Darryl.
Peripheral port is pretty unstreetable, from what I hear.
It's going to be a very long winter :D |
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| Cody D |
Maybe I'll have to keep the R1 just so I can still smack you girls around, 141mph and 10.4 so I win. Maybe I'll actually go through witht the nitrous set up. 9's here I come. (Enter obligatory "Bikes don't count" here, fast is fast.)
To tell the truth I think it's Ron that all of us have to catch up to. Race gas or not he's still the fastest around. Run whatchu Brung. |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by Cody D
Maybe I'll have to keep the R1 just so I can still smack you girls around, 141mph and 10.4 so I win. Maybe I'll actually go through witht the nitrous set up. 9's here I come. (Enter obligatory "Bikes don't count" here, fast is fast.)
To tell the truth I think it's Ron that all of us have to catch up to. Race gas or not he's still the fastest around. Run whatchu Brung.
I dont think he is the fastest... Didnt his 10 second happen in BC?
From last year the fastest car was the red civic hatch back, and no results have been finalized for the fastest car this year... |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by stealth
I dont think he is the fastest... Didnt his 10 second happen in BC?
From last year the fastest car was the red civic hatch back, and no results have been finalized for the fastest car this year...
If I could make it out to Mission and run an 11 second pass, I'd consider my car an 11 second car. Maybe he can't be on the "Top 10 Imports in Alberta" list because he didn't make his runs in Alberta, but he still ran those times.
We were just talking about who here is the guy to beat, if we were comparing by the list's rules then Darryl's 11.9 that his Talon ran wouldn't count because it wasn't this year, and Nathan wouldn't be in it because he isn't an Import. On this board I'd say the guy to beat is Ron, 138mph is DAMN fast. |
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| stealth |
| o yea for sure the guy on the BOARD is Ron. His car is insane! |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by stealth
o yea for sure the guy on the BOARD is Ron. His car is insane!
So who is this Hatchback and what is he running to beat 138mph? |
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| newred |
It is all about the MPH & the beauty of the Top End.
There is not any thing that will Bet Ron's car on this board. Even is it's a V8, straight 6, or a 3rotor, if Ron's car is running good & if he has better tires (DR).
That Red Civic has another ten mph to go to catch ron . (129mph vs 139mph)
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by newred
It is all about the MPH & the beauty of the Top End.
Haha, that's a direct quote from "Vehicular Lunatics", good movie.
http://imvfilms.com/ |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by Cody D
If I could make it out to Mission and run an 11 second pass, I'd consider my car an 11 second car. Maybe he can't be on the "Top 10 Imports in Alberta" list because he didn't make his runs in Alberta, but he still ran those times.
We were just talking about who here is the guy to beat, if we were comparing by the list's rules then Darryl's 11.9 that his Talon ran wouldn't count because it wasn't this year, and Nathan wouldn't be in it because he isn't an Import. On this board I'd say the guy to beat is Ron, 138mph is DAMN fast.
Though in all fairness, Ron and myself I think aren't on the same playing field, or better said maybe, our goals are different, I think, maybe. At the very least, I can say that I'm not interested in running C16, not to take anything away from him, no insult intended, what he's doing is cool and nifty, and blah blah blah, not a step, this side up, and don't flame me! I'm not hating. It's just _different_ and that's all.
I'm not saying running C16 is bad, it's just a means to an end which is different than what I want to do. My goals have always been the same, just to have fun with a street car (or two or three or four or more), and not to be fast only under special circumstances. (Such as, when C16 is available). I want to be able to drive to freaking Florida (Just picking that because it's far far away) and stop at normal gas stations along the way and still be in 11 (or 10!) second trim and also get decent gas mileage. (The 7 wasn't all that bad really... even running a bit rich (we set it rich as an error margin in case we ran across some bad gas) we got reasonable mileage out of it).
If Nathan comes out with traction magic and runs quick next year that's cool. I don't know if he runs 'race' gas or not but whatever, I'll do my best to run as fast as I can with the goals I have in mind.
Out of curiosity, do the bikers run 'race' gas in their suicide machines at the track? |
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| SilviaDrifter |
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Originally posted by DarrylBleau
Well, it would be one of those anyway. :)
so u will be doing perif port????
i know max in calgary runs a 13B perif port as a daily driver hahaha...what a crazy guy |
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| NTM |
Bikes don't count, period.
It's pretty weak to bring up the bike card.
"Traction magic" for me is as simple as throwing a set of nitto 335/30/18 drag radials on. And leaving them on, I'm all about the pump gas, street trim thing too. |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by NTM
Bikes don't count, period.
It's pretty weak to bring up the bike card.
You're the one comparing a V8 to the imports, why is that not weak? I can say V8's don't count. Doesn't mean anything.
As far as running race gas not counting, I don't see it that way, just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it any less quick.
In the end it's run what you brung, if someone's faster than you then they are simply faster than you, all excuses are just that excuses. |
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| NTM |
You've got to draw the line somewhere, 2 wheels, 400 pounds, in no way looks like a car . Are you feeling me ?
Ahhh....f**k it, I'll just make the car faster than your bike :lol: . |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by Cody D
In the end it's run what you brung, if someone's faster than you then they are simply faster than you, all excuses are just that excuses.
Weak.
With that attitude we may as well trade our cars in for priuses, because we aren't ever going to touch top fuel rails.
In the end it's 'run what you want'. If it's all _only_ about being the fastest in the 1/4 then we're wasting our time, build a rail with a big block and run meth and be done with it. For me, it's _not_ just about running a fast 1/4. Nuff said. |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by newred
It is all about the MPH & the beauty of the Top End.
There is not any thing that will Bet Ron's car on this board. Even is it's a V8, straight 6, or a 3rotor, if Ron's car is running good & if he has better tires (DR).
That Red Civic has another ten mph to go to catch ron . (129mph vs 139mph)
:blink:
Yea on this BOARD.
Not everyone who is fast on alberta is on this board, there are faster cars than him of course.
As for the civic, i wasnt sure of the mph.
And cody the civic just has a swap, fully built, and turbo setup. |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by DarrylBleau
Weak.
With that attitude we may as well trade our cars in for priuses, because we aren't ever going to touch top fuel rails.
In the end it's 'run what you want'. If it's all _only_ about being the fastest in the 1/4 then we're wasting our time, build a rail with a big block and run meth and be done with it. For me, it's _not_ just about running a fast 1/4. Nuff said.
Who decides where to draw the line? If you want to go fully street legal I wonder how many of our exhaust systems are actually street legal? Pump gas, but what about Methanol injection and Nitrous? Can it be DOT approved DR's or does it have to be something that like you say could make it to Florida.
Some people just seem to be wanting to exclude the people that are faster than them by coming up with their own rules about who counts.
I also am not crazy enough to think that Ron was the fastest car in Alberta, I meant Import, I guess I should have specified.
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Ahhh....f**k it, I'll just make the car faster than your bike .
I wouldn't doubt it. |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by Cody D
Who decides where to draw the line? If you want to go fully street legal I wonder how many of our exhaust systems are actually street legal? Pump gas, but what about Methanol injection and Nitrous? Can it be DOT approved DR's or does it have to be something that like you say could make it to Florida.
All of _our_ exhaust systems are street legal, AFAIK, we don't have emmisions laws here, and the only one that was too loud was the STi and it was rectified to the satisfaction of the local PD.
The rest of the criteria is very simple. Keep in mind this is just us, it's the general philosophy all the cars are built under. Someone else might have a different idea of 'street'.
Pump gas, and only because it's what's readily available. Water injection is fine as it's easier to fill your water than your gas tank, but not methanol nor nitrous as I couldn't drive cross country without fear of not being able to find somewhere to fill them when I needed to.
I'm ok with DRs if they have a decent tread life.. basically, if I can run it full time for a whole season then cool. If you drive the car everyday on the same tire and don't have to swap at the track then I would say it's a 'street' tire. Yoko 'hard' compound A032Rs are my preference. ET Streets are pushing it, I think, and yes I know I ran them on the 7 but only because they were the only rubber available that day. I intend to throw A048s on the 7 next year.
And of course, the car has to be registered and insured. The only other requirement I have for a car that I would build is that is has to be a decent corner carver.
So, it's easy, a car that can decently 1/4, autox, and run without special care and attention the same on competition days as it does on daily driving days, while still keeping basic 'car'ness (not a tin can feeling). That's the kind of car I want to build. Think 'Lingenfelter' et al. If I could hand the keys over to a doctor or lawyer and they could drive it for a few days as a normal car, perfect.
quote:
Originally posted by Cody D
Some people just seem to be wanting to exclude the people that are faster than them by coming up with their own rules about who counts.
Wouldn't it be just as valid to argue the opposite way? Are we just excluding 'domestics' so we can come up with our own rules about what counts as 'fast'? What about trailer queens? Bikes? Drag-only trailer bikes? Rails, as mentioned? And instead of 'some people', why don't you just say my name as it seems obvious to me I'm who you mean. Would you consider your bike to be 'beat' by a rail? A trailered-in drag bike? A F16? They would all be faster than you... but I would say it's just not the same thing. You can compare apples and oranges if you really want, but the fact is, they are different.
In the end, saying 'Fastest Import in Alberta' itself is doing exactly what you're accusing me of... coming up with your own rules as to who counts. Why only 'in Alberta'? Why only 'Import'?
Most important, I think, is to have a solid goal in mind and stick to it and do your best to achieve it. For me, I want to run with production road-going supercars on the same playing field as they do.
quote:
Originally posted by Cody D
I also am not crazy enough to think that Ron was the fastest car in Alberta, I meant Import, I guess I should have specified.
Might you also here being a bit hypocritical and making up your own rules as to what counts?
What does 'fastest import in Alberta' mean exactly? Does it mean a car owned by someone in Alberta? A car that has been to Alberta? Or all of the above and that has actually ran the time in Alberta? You might call it splitting hairs here but as far as I see it, if you haven't actually ran your times _in Alberta_ you can't actually claim to be the fastest here. An olympic sprinter can't win an event in Europe just because he ran a faster time in America. As far as I see it anyway, the 'fastest import in Alberta' is Z_Fan's nice 300. And yes, it is exactly about drawing a line as to who counts but if you aren't going stick to it then just call the list 'Fast Cars That Might At One Time Been Registered And Insured And That Got Here Initially On A Boat' and we'll poll the entire continent. Or skip 'boat' and just call it 'Fast Earth Vehicles'.
In any event... it's been an exciting year in 'racing' in Alberta in general and it's great to see (On Topic!) a neon running 12s, Grand Prix(!), and locals digging deeper into the times, especially Ron who's doing some cool stuff. If the economic trend in Alberta continues I can only see things getting better.
Loooooong winter. |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by stealth
you shouldnt be quoting me. Im stating there are many cars faster than Ron.
I was agreeing with you. |
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| ae1969 |
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Originally posted by DarrylBleau
So, it's easy, a car that can decently 1/4, autox, and run without special care and attention the same on competition days as it does on daily driving days, while still keeping basic 'car'ness (not a tin can feeling).............
I am definitely from this school of thought.
1/4 miles impress me to a certain point....but it will never be the benchmark for me that defines a true sports car.
A car should be a complete car. You need speed, balance, brakes etc.....
I would throw in one more pre-requisite into your requirements..... a car that can run a road course for an hour and then be driven home.
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| Cody D |
To each their own I guess.
Who's fastest is up for debate I guess, in the end I'm just happy to join the 12 second club this year with the Talon.
Also congrats to Z Fan on the 11.2, that's damn fast. |
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| newred |
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Originally posted by Cody D
I also am not crazy enough to think that Ron was the fastest car in Alberta, I meant Import, I guess I should have specified.
So if he isn't, who is the fastest (import)in Alberta???
Because with his MPH he should be in the High 9's or low 10's.
I would just like to know who is the fastest in Alberta or even BC (import) . I sure there are alot of fast V8 around:rolleyes: |
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| NTM |
That's what it's all about really, setting personal goals and achieving them.
There's always someone faster. |
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| Ron@Revolution |
| If there are no classes set out limiting rules then the fastest guy is the fastest guy Period. If you want to set rules up like pump gas etc... Have someone who can test fuel blah blah blah at any event you race at then it would be an official "pump gas time". We don't have that available to us so it is "run what you brung" And you have to live with your choices. I could easily strip my car down from 3250Lb's to 2500Lbs and by some slicks and come out there and run a number but I chose not to. The same said if I race someone who does do that and they beat me its my fault for not maximizing my car to run to the best of its ability. The rules we have and to stay in the main classes at SCC is street tires and full interior. Thats it thats all, so either fit into what classes we have or stop the bitching, and take your lumps for what ever choices you want to make. Once again congrats to 300Z for running some nice times last night always great chating with you. |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by ae1969
I am definitely from this school of thought.
1/4 miles impress me to a certain point....but it will never be the benchmark for me that defines a true sports car.
A car should be a complete car. You need speed, balance, brakes etc.....
I would throw in one more pre-requisite into your requirements..... a car that can run a road course for an hour and then be driven home.
:D
Well yeah, I thought the references to 'Florida' made that clear :P. It's just a 30+ hour road course :) |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by Ron@Revolution
The rules we have and to stay in the main classes at SCC is street tires and full interior. Thats it thats all, so either fit into what classes we have or stop the bitching, and take your lumps for what ever choices you want to make.
Amen! :thumbup:
The whole "pump gas" thing is too vague anyway. The definition of pump gas varies from state to province, and depends what's available in your area. Even here in Edmonton and Calgary, it sets up the ambiguitiy of 91 Octane vs. 94 Ethanol-Blend. (On a pure octane level comparison the differences in tune you can run between 91 and 94 is huge).
And besides, the whole thing of "run what you run on the street..." what's to stop people from running race gas, octane booster etc. on the street anyway? (and by race gas, I'm talking merely the unleaded varieties, not the leaded) |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by Inzane
Amen! :thumbup:
The whole "pump gas" thing is too vague anyway. The definition of pump gas varies from state to province, and depends what's available in your area. Even here in Edmonton and Calgary, it sets up the ambiguitiy of 91 Octane vs. 94 Ethanol-Blend. (On a pure octane level comparison the differences in tune you can run between 91 and 94 is huge).
And besides, the whole thing of "run what you run on the street..." what's to stop people from running race gas, octane booster etc. on the street anyway? (and by race gas, I'm talking merely the unleaded varieties, not the leaded)
lst time i checked, race gas was considered pump gas was it not? I think the term pump gas is to keep the alky's away. |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
Amen! :thumbup:
The whole "pump gas" thing is too vague anyway. The definition of pump gas varies from state to province, and depends what's available in your area. Even here in Edmonton and Calgary, it sets up the ambiguitiy of 91 Octane vs. 94 Ethanol-Blend. (On a pure octane level comparison the differences in tune you can run between 91 and 94 is huge).
And besides, the whole thing of "run what you run on the street..." what's to stop people from running race gas, octane booster etc. on the street anyway? (and by race gas, I'm talking merely the unleaded varieties, not the leaded)
Nothing at all, and if that's what floats your boat, more power to you.
I was saying that it doesn't float _my_ particular boat, was all.
And 'pump gas' isn't vague... it's gas you can get at most any pump. And the 'why' for this is so that you don't have to search for a special station when you want to fill up, that's it.
And I have no idea what SCC has to do with anything here... we were just talking about building cars in general, I thought. |
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| DarrylBleau |
quote:
Originally posted by mwdguy
lst time i checked, race gas was considered pump gas was it not? I think the term pump gas is to keep the alky's away.
Mostly 'pump gas' is gas that you can find at most any station's pump. 'Race gas' doesn't quite fit the bill. (The bill in this case being, it doesn't matter where you drive, you can fill up your car with a reasonable expectation of having the type of gas you run). |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by DarrylBleau
And 'pump gas' isn't vague... it's gas you can get at most any pump. And the 'why' for this is so that you don't have to search for a special station when you want to fill up, that's it.
If that's your stipulation then that would disqualify Husky/Mohawk 94 Octane ethanol blend, since there are only 1-2 stations in Edmonton, and 2-4 in Calgary, that even sell it.
So that means Pump Gas = 91 Octane maximum, by definition here in this thread.
That's all well and good, but I believe that what some brag is their "pump gas" (ie. 91 octane) tune are actually full of shit... sometimes. |
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| Talontsi96 |
| This is so ridiculous....Darryl, you better start tuning for 87 octane gas because if you ever drive through the farm lands of saskatchewan you can't find premium (91 octane) at most stations..... |
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| DarrylBleau |
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Originally posted by Inzane
If that's your stipulation then that would disqualify Husky/Mohawk 94 Octane ethanol blend, since there are only 1-2 stations in Edmonton, and 2-4 in Calgary, that even sell it.
So that means Pump Gas = 91 Octane maximum, by definition here in this thread.
That's all well and good, but I believe that what some brag is their "pump gas" (ie. 91 octane) tune are actually full of shit... sometimes.
91 octane is what we run and tune on, yes. You and anyone else can run on whatever you want, I don't care. I also don't care if you believe it or not... the reason we do it is for ourselves, so we don't have to be constantly worried about fuel. It's a simple concept really but seems it takes pages of text to explain it. |
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| DarrylBleau |
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Originally posted by Talontsi96
This is so ridiculous....Darryl, you better start tuning for 87 octane gas because if you ever drive through the farm lands of saskatchewan you can't find premium (91 octane) at most stations.....
Actually, that was almost a problem through some of georgia.
You see, we operate on reasonably probable. It's reasonably probable to find 91 at most any station. That's it. I don't know what's so hard to swallow for some people about it. |
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| Talontsi96 |
Personally I may attempt to follow your philosophy next year and tune my car for 91...94 octane with some water/meth injection....Thats pretty reasonable for street use to me....The windsheild washer water reservuoir should last for at least 1 full tank of gas if you beat on it all the time and if you drive on the highway without boosting all the time it should easily last for a few gas tanks....at lest thats what I hear from some users out there...
I still don't see a big deal about using C16 at the track though, I mean when you're at the track you want to go as fast as possible without blowing your car up...at least most of us do.... |
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| DarrylBleau |
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Originally posted by Talontsi96
Personally I may attempt to follow your philosophy next year and tune my car for 91...94 octane with some water/meth injection....Thats pretty reasonable for street use to me....The windsheild washer water reservuoir should last for at least 1 full tank of gas if you beat on it all the time and if you drive on the highway without boosting all the time it should easily last for a few gas tanks....at lest thats what I hear from some users out there...
I still don't see a big deal about using C16 at the track though, I mean when you're at the track you want to go as fast as possible without blowing your car up...at least most of us do....
That's the difference, I guess. If you're goal is just to go as fast as possible at the track why stop at race gas? Why not slicks then? Why not strip the car? Why stop there? Throw in a full alcohol system and make a rail.... you see, it's slippery slope. Either you want to make an everyday fast car or you don't. Running race gas just so you can run faster 'at the track' is fooling yourself really, at least that's my opinion.
I use the track as a measurement of the everyday performance of the car, not a one shot see how fast it can go bar nothing blast. [Edit] Though I understand that there are those who _do_ want to see how fast their cars can go no rules barred and want to compete against others who want to do the same and I'm not saying that's wrong or bad, just that _I_ don't want to do that. [/Edit]
When say, Road&Track tests 1/4 performance on cars do you think they throw in race gas and make sure to increase timing or boost or whatever so they can throw a better number in the mag? I don't think so... they fill with manufacturer's specification and get a real life number from the car. That's what I want. I don't know how many different ways I can say it. But really, we've raped poor Adam's thread quite completely here already so maybe we should start a new thread if we want to talk about race/pump gas and everyday performance.
As for WI, I don't know how long the water injection will last, for me it seemed to be lasting for a long time... but that was because it wasn't working at all ( :/ ). I really was trying my best to get the car going this year so I could see how much better it would run with actual working WI but I didn't get the chance. |
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| Talontsi96 |
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Originally posted by DarrylBleau
When say, Road&Track tests 1/4 performance on cars do you think they throw in race gas and make sure to increase timing or boost or whatever so they can throw a better number in the mag? I don't think so... they fill with manufacturer's specification and get a real life number from the car
Road and track, Car and Driver etc...etc...test stock cars for the general public or lucky bastards that can afford the exotics. Now Turbo and High performance, and other tuner magazines test cars that have been modified and they often quote BEST (Race gas) results...I'd say our cars fit the latter magazine better...but this discussion could go on forever. I understand what youre getting at and as I mentioned before, I'm kinda looking to go that route too with water/meth injection since I really do not feel like paying $100 for a single day at the track (if I'm lucky and nothing brakes). I think it will end up being pump gas and WI for me....
I agree that we hijacked this thread and maybe it would be a good idea to start a new thread on pump/race gas... |
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| Adam |
No No by all means continue here...I dont mind.
I'm enjoying the reading.
I like the difference in views. I for one am a believer in race gas...I used it to get my time as well as turning up the boost at the track only. Everything back to normal when on the street.
Its my opinion as Darryl has his. I wanted to see what my car can do when it has every possible thing helping it out. Sure I took out some weight, put slicks on, added race gas, turned up the boost....and I saw what my car could do. I was pleased with the result and next year I will do the same thing over again.
At the end of the day I have a slip that has a bunch of numbers on it...not one that says that I was running slicks, race gas or whatever.
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But the thing that I HATE hearing after a race is.... (hypothetical)
"did you see that neon beat that 3 rotor?"
"Yeah that was awesome, that neon is fast as hell"
"Sure is, but he's running slicks, race gas, and a striped interior. The 3 rotor is on pump gas and street boost...no wonder he lost"
"yeah I guess youre right"
Discussions like that I HATE...as if I was cheating or something!!
Its a choice, I have no problem guys running in full street trim(a ton of respect actually), but when you get beat by a car that doesnt run in the same form as on the street...dont make excuses because of this reason.
Its like some ricer saying..."yo bro I missed a shift...I wouldve had you" |
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| bigmack000 |
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Originally posted by Adam
Its like some ricer saying..."yo bro I missed a shift...I wouldve had you"
hahaha |
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| Talontsi96 |
Well youre going to get that type of reasoning unfortunately. I agree at the track you handed the guy his ass and thats that...
However some people like to know what the race would have been like had the cars ligned up at the lights on the street in the real world out there. Thats why some people make comments like that and I'm sure you'd agree that cars that run stripped interior and slicks at the track would not do as well on the street with full interior and street tires.
Race gas is of course a whole new ball game because there are no rules about not being able to use it on the street if you can afford it...So...
In any event..12's is a pretty impressive achievement...Congrats... |
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| DarrylBleau |
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Originally posted by Adam
No No by all means continue here...I dont mind.
I'm enjoying the reading.
I like the difference in views. I for one am a believer in race gas...I used it to get my time as well as turning up the boost at the track only. Everything back to normal when on the street.
Its my opinion as Darryl has his. I wanted to see what my car can do when it has every possible thing helping it out. Sure I took out some weight, put slicks on, added race gas, turned up the boost....and I saw what my car could do. I was pleased with the result and next year I will do the same thing over again.
At the end of the day I have a slip that has a bunch of numbers on it...not one that says that I was running slicks, race gas or whatever.
.02
But the thing that I HATE hearing after a race is.... (hypothetical)
"did you see that neon beat that 3 rotor?"
"Yeah that was awesome, that neon is fast as hell"
"Sure is, but he's running slicks, race gas, and a striped interior. The 3 rotor is on pump gas and street boost...no wonder he lost"
"yeah I guess youre right"
Discussions like that I HATE...as if I was cheating or something!!
Its a choice, I have no problem guys running in full street trim(a ton of respect actually), but when you get beat by a car that doesnt run in the same form as on the street...dont make excuses because of this reason.
Its like some ricer saying..."yo bro I missed a shift...I wouldve had you"
I hear ya.
What I love more is running street trim pump gas and all... and beating the guy that was stripped and running race gas :P. But that's just because I'm an asshole like that. |
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| Adam |
| Well, I'm glad youre open minded enough to see that youre choices are not a disadvantage and mine are not a advantage....so to speak. |
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| newred |
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Originally posted by Adam
But the thing that I HATE hearing after a race is.... (hypothetical)
"did you see that neon beat that 3 rotor?"
"Yeah that was awesome, that neon is fast as hell"
"Sure is, but he's running slicks, race gas, and a striped interior. The 3 rotor is on pump gas and street boost...no wonder he lost"
"yeah I guess youre right"
Discussions like that I HATE...as if I was cheating or something!!
Its a choice, I have no problem guys running in full street trim(a ton of respect actually), but when you get beat by a car that doesnt run in the same form as on the street...dont make excuses because of this reason.
Its like some ricer saying..."yo bro I missed a shift...I wouldve had you"
See Adam, this people are still driving there moms Civic, but they did watch Pinks , so now they know all that there is about building & racing a race car...
Shit Maybe I should of Bought Marko's White Supra & run 8's all day long (but on race gas). But it's still not a eazy as it looks. |
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| 2000z |
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Originally posted by DarrylBleau
I hear ya.
What I love more is running street trim pump gas and all... and beating the guy that was stripped and running race gas :P. But that's just because I'm an asshole like that.
In my mind, that only works if you're talking about identical cars in different trim. If your 3 rotor in street trim on pump gas wups on a 3 rotor on C16, gutted interior and slicks then it's bragging rights time. Any other car and it's set-up becomes a moot point. You either win or lose.
Congrats on the 12 second slip Adam! 11's next year?????
This is a pretty cool discussion. I think running pump gas and street tires with a full interior is a good way to build a car to drive every day and race on weekends but I also love seeing the guys like Adam getting every last tenth out of their car with no holds barred at the track. Street driven cars are the way to go, whether they bolt on slicks and dump in race gas at the track or not. Trailer queens just aren't as cool to me.
As for defining "classes", I subscribe to the run what ya brung school of thought. If you lose to a car with better tires and more power, there's no shame in that. If you lose to a car you know you can beat,race him again and learn how to drive better. Doesn't matter how a car is set up, if you win, you win.
Oh, and bikes definetely do not count. |
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