| 2003specv |
Well I have to say I was very impressed with alot of things and dissapointed with others.
The good:
Huge turnout. Lots of every type of sport compact.
The SCC's have really stepped it up a notch. Compared to 4 years ago where the fastest car was the black Supra from Calgary that ran 12's, this year was something else. There was what, like a dozen cars in the 12's? Awesome. Even to see so many cars in the 13's.:thumbup:
Watching that red 300ZX break well into the 11's was the highlight of my day. Wow, just wow. Such a drama free launch too. Very cool.
The weather cooperated.
The bad:
Autocross. What a lame setup. I was going to run but I'm glad I didn't, why not have it loop around? Shane who won it in his Type R did it in less than 30 seconds. That's WAY to short.
Drift anouncer. See this thread for my feelings on this.
http://forums.780tuners.com/showthr...;threadid=32200
He was so stupid it was like he was making fun of the cars. What a fag.
I realise this wasn't SCC's fault, but there was the Dropsicles guy doing burnouts in the pits. That was super stupid. I don't care that he could drop it to the frame and leave just enough weight on the tires to smoke them. It's still dumb as hell. I can't believe nobody from Bud came and kicked him out.
In conclusion I gotta say, I feel it was worth the $12 I paid to get in. Good show! |
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| oh2one8tee |
| Yeah i definitely agree that the drift announcer was a loser... and so was the dB sound competition guy too... w/e i thought the day was great... nice day too.... i was kinda peeved how there were still v8ers out there. not a big deal though, they were still fast. the 300 was great, sooooo fast... the drift circle was big, props to the ae86's running with N/A setups and still doing a great job... put em in frenchies skyline and they would be amazing drifters... neways all in all, definitely worth the $12. |
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| 2003specv |
| 128 views and nobody has anything to add?:dunno: |
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| DSM |
| I didn't like how quickley they rushed the drag final's. They qualified all morning and the finals lasted like 15 minutes. I also heard from one of the drivers that it was a cluster fuck, no time for cool downs between runs and the racers were confused of who was up next and who they were racing. But what can I expect the people from V8less they have even said that drag racing isn't there #1 priority. |
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| Z_Fan |
The single largest problem at Bud Park is the loud speaker isn't loud enough. If your talking or a car is running nearby, you can't hear it in a large majority of the pits.
They need to broadcast over the PA as well as on a FM radio signal that only goes like 0.5-1 KM out. So, you can just tune in to 88.1 FM and then the drivers can listen while in their car. This makes it much easier to understand what is going on...
It's kind of difficult to line up cars when they aren't all there. And really that's the drivers fault for not paying attention - but it's also because it's hard to pay attention when you can't hear shit. Thus, Bud Park desperately (IMO) needs to broadcast their stuff on an FM channel. It would be very very helpful.
With the exception of little (or no) time for cool down between dragging in the finals, I have no real complaints with the actual running of the strip. They did a great job really. Very little down time. Pumped the cars through efficiently. All good. |
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| Hustler M |
| I had a good time. Never saw so many Mr2's in one place at one time. My only complaint was the drift annoucer. Overall I think they put on a decent event. |
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| RS13 |
I thought the drag racing was good.
The finals were so unorganized and there were 2 buy runs (which should not happen) in C class. They should have taken the next fastest two cars and added them.
I also agree that the autocross was pathetic. I thought about doing both but are is just too small.
Other than that i had a blast. 22 runs down the 1/4 mile. |
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| Saleen880549 |
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Originally posted by Z_Fan
The single largest problem at Bud Park is the loud speaker isn't loud enough. If your talking or a car is running nearby, you can't hear it in a large majority of the pits.
They need to broadcast over the PA as well as on a FM radio signal that only goes like 0.5-1 KM out. So, you can just tune in to 88.1 FM and then the drivers can listen while in their car. This makes it much easier to understand what is going on...
It's kind of difficult to line up cars when they aren't all there. And really that's the drivers fault for not paying attention - but it's also because it's hard to pay attention when you can't hear shit. Thus, Bud Park desperately (IMO) needs to broadcast their stuff on an FM channel. It would be very very helpful.
With the exception of little (or no) time for cool down between dragging in the finals, I have no real complaints with the actual running of the strip. They did a great job really. Very little down time. Pumped the cars through efficiently. All good.
What about GSM two way radio's ........ tell everyone to tune to what ever channel........ announcements that way.... repeated 3 times so if you hear something coming across .. you can hear it again and again to confirm or if a loud car drives by... and know who and what is next. I don't mean the announcer talking on them...... just what is coming up next....
Unless the FM idea is reasonable to get..... meaning cheap for bud park. |
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| Nightstalker |
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Originally posted by 2003specv
The SCC's have really stepped it up a notch. Compared to 4 years ago where the fastest car was the black Supra from Calgary that ran 12's, this year was something else. There was what, like a dozen cars in the 12's? Awesome. Even to see so many cars in the 13's.:thumbup:
I don't mean to be a ass.. But Mau's Supra ran a 11.18 :p |
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| 2003specv |
Good for him. Really thats awesome. Too bad he didn't make it this time.
Best I ever saw him run was in the 12's though. |
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| Nightstalker |
| It might have been at a JBs battle of the imports, I forget... neadless to say it was fast. |
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| Kirill |
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Originally posted by DSM
I didn't like how quickley they rushed the drag final's. They qualified all morning and the finals lasted like 15 minutes. I also heard from one of the drivers that it was a cluster fuck, no time for cool downs between runs and the racers were confused of who was up next and who they were racing. But what can I expect the people from V8less they have even said that drag racing isn't there #1 priority.
thats exactly what happened last year. My car really didn't like that, it was running pretty hot by the time i lined up for the trophy in eliminations. |
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| Nightstalker |
| Personally if I was the producer of a event, making sure the people coming to the show were entertained would be my #1 priority. |
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| qualthar |
Overall I enjoyed myself, although I don't know the experiences of the drivers and other participants in the races/autocross.
This event seemed to be more organized than Calgary SCC, it was pretty confusing getting into the gates there.
Hopefully our positive and constrictive feedback can help the V8Less crew streamline future events for next year. Let them know what would make events like this even better than they already are. |
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| S O |
The autocross was fun, but too short - with a course just over 20 seconds, there's not really much seperation between the drivers/cars. And it was supposed to start around 11 and go to 4, but was really more like 12-2:30, with people still wanting to run.
Overall, I really enjoyed the event and would come out again. The drag and drifting were both really good shows, with some pretty cool sleepers (sea foam green and a civic taking a Mk IV Supra come to mind). I was surprised at the drifting event - the drivers were all really good and put on a good show. |
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| dc2696 |
| another thing I noticed was ppl driving pretty fast thru the pit area:dunno: like wtf theres ppl everywhere SLOW THE FUCK DOWN!!!:asshole: |
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| youngbex |
| i didnt get to go:( |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by youngbex
i didnt get to go:(
not a huge loss....saddly enuff. |
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| beatshack |
| i went, it was fun to see autocross at a mainstream event like this.. too bad the course was so short... drag was also pretty entertaining.. anyone know what kind of setup that guy with the green neon w/slicks was running? his launches were nutty. |
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| Nightstalker |
| The autocross was actually setup to be only around 30 seconds long. From what I understand, Autocross in calgary is usually only about 30 seconds. Its not my favorite but its still nice to have something with corners to do. |
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| el diablo |
I gotta say i competed in the autocross and i thought it was fun, although i will say it was too short. But the tight setup gave us stock motor guys a chance to keep up with some of the faster cars and made it more dependant on suspension setup. I was just glad to see them have something other than just drag this year.
And props to the midtown CRX for doing some serious times. I just wish there had been more power cars on the strip like that z32. Where are all the GTR guys with huge pony numbers??? I wanna see sumone dump their life savings to make one stupid fast here in the city. |
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| el diablo |
I gotta say i competed in the autocross and i thought it was fun, although i will say it was too short. But the tight setup gave us stock motor guys a chance to keep up with some of the faster cars and made it more dependant on suspension setup. I was just glad to see them have something other than just drag this year.
And props to the midtown CRX for doing some serious times. I just wish there had been more power cars on the strip like that z32. Where are all the GTR guys with huge pony numbers??? I wanna see sumone dump their life savings to make one stupid fast here in the city. |
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| mel_wednesday |
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Originally posted by qualthar
Overall I enjoyed myself, although I don't know the experiences of the drivers and other participants in the races/autocross.
This event seemed to be more organized than Calgary SCC, it was pretty confusing getting into the gates there.
Hopefully our positive and constrictive feedback can help the V8Less crew streamline future events for next year. Let them know what would make events like this even better than they already are.
What was confusing about getting into the gates? |
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| DarrylBleau |
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Originally posted by el diablo
Where are all the GTR guys with huge pony numbers???
You missed the Red Bull experience? :) |
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| Adam |
quote:
Originally posted by beatshack
i went, it was fun to see autocross at a mainstream event like this.. too bad the course was so short... drag was also pretty entertaining.. anyone know what kind of setup that guy with the green neon w/slicks was running? his launches were nutty.
MSD DIS-2 with 2 step set to 6000rpms....light goes green and a side step on the clutch.
Its a good system seeing as i build 8 psi of boost on the line before I even move. Not really recommended if you dont have a good set of axles and clutch though...recipe for breaking shit. |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by Adam
Not really recommended if you dont have a good set of axles and clutch though...recipe for breaking shit.
Wasn't this learned thru first hand experience Adam?
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by el diablo
Where are all the GTR guys with huge pony numbers??? I wanna see sumone dump their life savings to make one stupid fast here in the city.
id say give it a year or two, if im not mistaken, they are still fairly new around here(or atleast not a huge number have been imported so far). i too would love to see them dump their life savings in their cars and hear what they say after that... after all, they are car enthusiasts, so it shouldnt be a problem |
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| qualthar |
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Originally posted by mel_wednesday
What was confusing about getting into the gates?
We arrived around 4:00 or so, and went to the gate where the drifters were supposed to go. They told us to go down the road to the next entrance, where there were a ton of cars lined up waiting to get in. Nobody knew where they were supposed to be, or what the lineup was for, we asked the event staff at the gate but they didn't have much to say. There was a bunch of us that had absolutely no idea what was going on, what time the gate opened, where we were supposed to park, etc.
It wasn't that bad but they could have organized that part a little better, or at least told us what was goin on. I had a good time at that event though, they did a really nice job in Calgary :thumbup: |
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| Adam |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
Wasn't this learned thru first hand experience Adam?
:D
Absolutley it was!!! Not fun when an axle breaks on the line and takes out your motor mounts and leaves your engine sitting on the ground!!:mad:
:thumbup: :thumbup: |
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| REFLUX |
hahaha oh man that seriously is something that is funnier read than experienced
motor mounts??? damn... |
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| srt-4toys |
i had a good time
but the only thing that gets me about the v8less was why were there v8's running |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by srt-4toys
i had a good time
but the only thing that gets me about the v8less was why were there v8's running
because they are allowed to in the outlaw class |
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| Coconut84 |
| mike u are th only one who complained about v8's |
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| srt-4toys |
matt you have no idea what your talking about
and since when is a camaro a sport compact its called the sport compact challenge is it not |
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| shorti |
| How the hell did a Lincoln LS win a prize in an event for sport compacts? |
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| SilverZ24 |
No other "luxury" sport compacts maybe? :dunno:
Actually, not many luxury cars would even be considered compacts.
I'm dissapointed there weren't any other Euro classes besides best VW. Although I guess most Euro cars would be good candidates for best luxury. |
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| shorti |
I can think of a few cars that are more sport compact and luxury than a Lincoln LS. Like maybe an IS300, TSX or an M3.
There had to be at least one of those there. |
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| SilverZ24 |
| I doubt there were any of those there. And the TSX isn't very compact. The other two you mentioned are though. |
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| jberzerker |
| I had my IS300 there, but I got there too late to enter the show and shine judging, and I didn't have time to clean it so I didn't bother. |
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| beatshack |
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Originally posted by Coconut84
mike u are th only one who complained about v8's
actually i was a little put off by the supercharged camaro as well.. probably just came to prove a point.... with over double the displacement, forced induction, and just slightly better times than some of the 4-cyl boosted cars.. to me its overkill.. but each to their own i guess... to me weight is the enemy, but its give and take with v8's... more power, heavier car, power/weight issue really isnt solved.
i'm just thinking out loud, i'll stop :beer: |
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| Inzane |
Going back to something I suggested a couple years ago:
- Less than 8 cylinders?
- Import?
- Sport Compact?
Pick any 2 of the 3 above criteria and it should fit our bill. If it doesn't meet any of the 3, then we shouldn't see it at our events. :) But... I don't make the rules. It was just a suggestion. ;)
Note: where it gets tricky is when a car meets only 1 of the 3.
eg. Lexus GS400:
- Less than 8 cylinders? No
- Import? Yes
- Sport Compact? No
eg. Pontiac Grand Prix:
- Less than 8 cylinders? Yes
- Import? No
- Sport Compact? No
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| beatshack |
| the only thing about that criteria is, they don't call it Sport Import Compact Challenge.. so even though its assumed its an import event, it doesnt indicate in the event name that it is. |
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| SilverZ24 |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
Going back to something I suggested a couple years ago:
- Less than 8 cylinders?
- Import?
- Sport Compact?
Pick any 2 of the 3 above criteria and it should fit our bill. If it doesn't meet any of the 3, then we shouldn't see it at our events. :) But... I don't make the rules. It was just a suggestion. ;)
Note: where it gets tricky is when a car meets only 1 of the 3.
eg. Lexus GS400:
- Less than 8 cylinders? No
- Import? Yes
- Sport Compact? No
eg. Pontiac Grand Prix:
- Less than 8 cylinders? Yes
- Import? No
- Sport Compact? No
I think the "import" criteria is kind of stupid.
Say two guys want to bring thier sedans to SCC. One drives a Mazda 6 and the other drives a Ford Fusion. Both are built on the same platform, but because of your criteria:
Mazda 6:
- Less than 8 cylinders? Yes
- Import? Yes
- Sport Compact? No
Ford Fusion:
- Less than 8 cylinders? Yes
- Import? No
- Sport Compact? No
The Mazda is allowed to race/show, but the Ford is not. IMO that would be stupid.
Also, your system would allow a Nissan 240 with a Ford 5L but not allow a Ford Focus with a Ford 5L. Again, the "import" criteria is stupid at a show called Sport Compact Challenge. |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by SilverZ24
I think the "import" criteria is kind of stupid.
Again, the "import" criteria is stupid at a show called Sport Compact Challenge.
Yes, I see what you mean. But the reason I leave it in on the list of possible criteria is becauseof the origins of this website (I'm talking 4+ years ago). The original V8Less.com (the forum, not the "business") aka 780tuners.com was started in the very beginning for IMPORT ENTHUSIASTS... mainly. It just so happens that there are domestic-based sport compact cars now that have to be included as part of the scene nowadays.
The three criteria that I pulled out of my ass above were three areas of common interest among a core group of like-minded enthusiasts.
You're free to disagree but I would bet a majority of forum members here would show more interest in a: Mazda 6, Honda Accord, Toyota Camry (nevermind, they're just boring), Nissan Altima, etc., compared to a: Ford Taurus, Chevy Impala, Pontiac Grand Prix/Grand Am, Dodge Intrepid, etc. Am I wrong??
If we're to just open the floodgates to everything: Trucks? Domestic Muscle cars? Motorcycles? Mini-Vans? At the end of the day, where does that leave us? Who are we? What do we stand for? etc. Any "common interest" that existed before would then be heavily diluted. |
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| SilverZ24 |
I have been on the site for a lot of years and I remember back when it was pretty much 100% import.
And I am not a domestic driver anymore, but I still find it pathetic that people would want to go to so much work just to exclude domestic vehicles. Who cares if you like them or not. Some people do and they should be allowed to enter the show as well.
And I have no problem leaving it for "compacts" like it mostly has been. I don't think you have to worry about trucks, mini-vans and muscle cars showing up. |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by SilverZ24
I have been on the site for a lot of years and I remember back when it was pretty much 100% import.
And I am not a domestic driver anymore, but I still find it pathetic that people would want to go to so much work just to exclude domestic vehicles. Who cares if you like them or not. Some people do and they should be allowed to enter the show as well.
And I have no problem leaving it for "compacts" like it mostly has been. I don't think you have to worry about trucks, mini-vans and muscle cars showing up.
You missed my point. I never said anything about excluding Cavaliers, Sunfires, Neons, Cobalts, Escorts, Focus, etc. They ARE compacts, they have less than 8 cylinders... they may not be Imports but oh well, they fit the general class of car and scene.
I was talking about treading too far from the original intent. You could make an argument for a TSX being still in the spirit of things and say a TSX still has things in common with a Integra/RSX, etc. But a Grand Prix?? What does a Grand Prix owner have in common with a Integra/RX-7/Eclipse, etc. owner other than the general concept that they both like.... CARS? They both have... 4 wheels? |
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| 2003specv |
I have no problem with the Camaro and red Mustang that raced. The are late model street cars that look nice and I would be proud to drive.
Now, what I think shouldn't have been there was that ratty old Mustang with slicks and the pickup with slicks. Holy cow did that shit ever stick out like a sore thumb. |
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| Hustler M |
| I don't see why the bitching about cars coming that have v8's, are not sport compact etc.,etc. Personally I want to see alot of different cars come to these events. If attendance for these events is high it means its a successful show. Successful show= better chance of having more events like this in the future and that they will be bigger and better next time. If we try to send away people who we think don't belong thats ignorant. |
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| srt-4toys |
sure any car can enter but then dont call it the sport compwct challange or v8less just call it if it drives race it
people come to an event like thwt to see a show and thats what they got but its still called the sport compact challange
if they want to see anything and everything race go to a street legal |
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| NTM |
quote:
Originally posted by beatshack
actually i was a little put off by the supercharged camaro as well.. probably just came to prove a point....
I came to get some times for my car on street tires, not to prove a point, thump my chest, or anything like that.
I couldn't have cared less who or what I was running against.
I work every friday and live two hours away.
I cannot make it to a street legal, unless ,of course, I book a day off.
When I heard about the outlaw class, it seemed convenient for me to run saturday.
quote:
Originally posted by beatshack
with over double the displacement, forced induction, and just slightly better times than some of the 4-cyl boosted cars.. to me its overkill.. but each to their own i guess... to me weight is the enemy...
My car weighs no more than a skyline, and as for the "slightly better times", et would be a function of available traction on street tires, the mph I was running (126-128 in qualifying, I drove rather conservatively for the finals) was considerably more than everything but the (very impressive) 300zx from Calgary, which was trapping about the same on drag radials.
For you to imply that my car is a bit of an underachiever, I can only presume that you have your head a long way up your ass. |
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| shorti |
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Originally posted by NTM
For you to imply that my car is a bit of an underachiever, I can only presume that you have your head a long way up your ass.
Zing! |
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| REFLUX |
sheesh what's the big hubbub about???
Camaro ran fast times (fast to me at least), good for him!
Don't use the whole, "But it isn't a sport compact" excuse.
It's faster than many cars out there, end of discussion.
If you can't keep up, either make your car faster or STFU.
And so what if he showed up at a Sport Compact event?
The organizers admitted him, if you got a problem with that then take it up with the organizers. |
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| DarrylBleau |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
And so what if he showed up at a Sport Compact event?
The organizers admitted him, if you got a problem with that then take it up with the organizers.
Bingo. Though the organizers don't exactly have a good track record of listening to feedback, at least for the drag event.
I was put off by the V8 guy too... but only because I didn't get to run against him :).
And why isn't a Camaro a sport compact? Wasn't the original intent of the pony cars to be .. small sports cars? Biggest motor in smallest available platform? Sounds like 'sport' and 'compact' to me. Unless it's because they aren't built on a lesser platform (2.5RS to STi et al.) in which case, I guess FDs shouldn't be out there either.
I do agree there should be some standard.. but eliminating the big blocks makes the 'import guys' look like scared little boys. V8s aren't magic and they have their own set of problems, making a fast street-legal _anything_ takes skill and I applaud anyone who does. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by NTM
For you to imply that my car is a bit of an underachiever, I can only presume that you have your head a long way up your ass.
lol :lol: |
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| oldraven |
| There's actually a pretty conservative percentage of 'compacts' in this club. 240's, 300's, Skylines, even 7's don't fit in that category. Some people need to stop caring so much. |
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