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| REFLUX |
Excellent write up!
Keep us posted with more pics! |
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| Charles_00civic |
| haha srry bout the wrong section thing, wasnt thinking. P.S i'm 15 so if you can see any problems in what i'm doing point it out. I'm gonna buy the wiring kit for 30 dollars so i can get everything right, but i'll cut as many corners as i can safely so others can save money without sacrificing quality. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
What kinda of battery did you get? if it's an optima, fine, if it's just a standard batt, like say a motormaster eliminator(non-coil cell type) the battery will cause the mdf to swell and bubble, much like rust bubbles.
I had a second batt in the back of my old neon, it was a reg batt type, but 1100cca, and it did just that. I re-finished it and used an optima, it didn't do it, and I had painted the mdf to begin with.
Sorry looked at the the pics again and saw the red top.... |
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| 86lx |
A couple of things. First 4 gauge cable is not adequate for the positive cable. 2 guage is the minimum, 1 guage is better. Secondly you also need to have a proper battery hold down clamp. Lastly you will never be able to take that car on a track. Nobody will let it pass tech.
Those kits that you say cost $100 or more come with all the clamps, bolts, nuts and 18 feet of 2 guage cable. They are well made and are not overpriced for what you get.
Just curious as to why you are relocating the battery? If it is for better weight balance, then are you racing the car? |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by 86lx
A couple of things. First 4 gauge cable is not adequate for the positive cable. 2 guage is the minimum, 1 guage is better. Secondly you also need to have a proper battery hold down clamp. Lastly you will never be able to take that car on a track. Nobody will let it pass tech.
Those kits that you say cost $100 or more come with all the clamps, bolts, nuts and 18 feet of 2 guage cable. They are well made and are not overpriced for what you get.
Just curious as to why you are relocating the battery? If it is for better weight balance, then are you racing the car?
Why wouldn't it pass tech? I was just at bud park on friday they didn't even check my batt for a tie down....tru about the guage sepcs though, and also about why would u do this? racing ie weight balance understood, cuz in the winter u loose power and current or whatever thru the wires. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Bahh 2ga... once I ran 16ga between my 2 batts :P I know not smart. But it worked without any problems. I've run 4ga between batts before as well. Considering some cars, run 8ga off the batt to the rest of the car.
If your car has 8ga stock from the batt, run 4ga, if it has 4ga, ya run 2ga.
Last 2 times in the neon I ran 1/0ga. |
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| Nightstalker |
| You might not care.. But your not going to pass tech anywhere with that setup. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
You might not care.. But your not going to pass tech anywhere with that setup.
And can you explain why not? That is what he asked. |
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| Supra_devil |
if a battery leaked in there it would destroy the mdf and then procced to leak all over the carpet, if its not fastened firmly in the box it will move and hit the sides and eventually the box will start to seperate, and the track officials won't be approving that.
i've bought complete, unused battery relocation kits from people before for $40.
For wiring i personally wouldn't use less than 1 guage, preferably 0. why, because others may be good enough, but i want better, not adequate. Welding cable is what i generally use, its cheaper than any automotive cable i've seen and is a high copper content with lots of strands so resistance is at a minimum.
i think that would be an awesome little storage box though.
Track officials won't approve it because in a roll or accident it isn't strong enough to absorb the energy and will break, then you've got a battery flying around your trunk, or worse, hatch, making you a potential target. if its moving there will be sparks, so thats awesome, in an accident and theres sparks, now all you need is a fuel leak and your having some fun:thumbup:
its a safety hazard, simple. |
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| Transporter |
to remdy your proplem about the box flying around
make some teall starps that lock the box to the floor
use the extra wood and make little spacers so the battery can not move side to side to side at all |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by dc2696
cuz in the winter u loose power and current or whatever thru the wires.
Its not losing it in the wires, in fact the colder it is the lower the resistance is in the wires. Its the fact that the battery no longer is as strong as it usually is. |
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| Markgase2000 |
Using up the rest of your mdf eh Charles? Looks good the sub box setup by the way :)
This young fella is one of the smartes 780 members I ever had to pleasure to meet by the way very eager to learn. |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
Using up the rest of your mdf eh Charles? Looks good the sub box setup by the way :)
This young fella is one of the smartes 780 members I ever had to pleasure to meet by the way very eager to learn.
smart maybe ... but he doesnt know how to use a square |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by mwdguy
smart maybe ... but he doesnt know how to use a square
Line up the first line then run it along the other side. Makes a perfect 90 degree angle. umm.. I'll post up the stuff i did today. You guys got ahead of me on this. I'm not gonn let it sit in the box only secured by the little 2.4 inch dent on the bottom. You'll see. It'l not that strong of a holder but it'll do. The box turned out crappy but with carpet it'll look nice. I silicones it in a bit. I plan to use L blackets t secure it to the floor. lol Not let it slide around the trunk. :thumbup: Wait up. add constructive ciristism boit what i have done already. |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by Charles_00civic
Line up the first line then run it along the other side. Makes a perfect 90 degree angle.
nope .. but keep trying lol
you put one edgeof the square on the edge of the wood then scribe your line and repeat |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by Charles_00civic
Men like tits and building stiff. Silicone makes tits bigger, and helps build stuff. It's the ultimate invention.
lol now i dont care who ya are thats funny right there. |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by mwdguy
nope .. but keep trying lol
you put one edgeof the square on the edge of the wood then scribe your line and repeat
if your drawing the actual angle then you can sut it on the wood's flat outside then draw the inside. After that you can either use the other side of the corner or line it up with the line you jsut made. It's pretty obvious bro. lol PLus the square inh te pic was to illustrate the box in case you souldnt see the writing. |
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| 86lx |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
And can you explain why not? That is what he asked.
It won't pass tech, because the battery must be seperated from the passenger compartment by a steel or alluminum wall. And before anybody thinks the trunk isn't part of the passenger compartment, think again.
The reason I asked why he was doing the battery relocation, because if he is doing it for racing, he's wasting his time. If you want to race with the battery not in the engine compartment, buy a proper metal battery box. |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by Transporter
to remdy your proplem about the box flying around
make some teall starps that lock the box to the floor
use the extra wood and make little spacers so the battery can not move side to side to side at all
Check er out. Shes secured. It'd pass tech. hahaha unless they saw the wiring jobs soulfly and I have done in the past lol. |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by 86lx
It won't pass tech, because the battery must be seperated from the passenger compartment by a steel or alluminum wall. And before anybody thinks the trunk isn't part of the passenger compartment, think again.
The reason I asked why he was doing the battery relocation, because if he is doing it for racing, he's wasting his time. If you want to race with the battery not in the engine compartment, buy a proper metal battery box.
Note: car is 1.6 l honda civic. hahaha. racing?!?!?!?! ahaha. lol. I'll wait for the g35 to do that. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
| Now if he lined the inside of the mdf box with 16ga aluminum or sheet metal, the stuff you buy from CT for body repairs... would it pass tech then? |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
Now if he lined the inside of the mdf box with 16ga aluminum or sheet metal, the stuff you buy from CT for body repairs... would it pass tech then?
hhah yah i was thinking that. Just take a roll of sheet metal and cut it out and put it in, then carpet over it. Hell, I was gonne put some tin foil in there and be like "stop me now" |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
You wouldn't be able to cover the metal with anything, it's to stop a fire.
You could spray it with xterminator, it's a sound deadening material, it's non-conductive and self extinguishing. |
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| Charles_00civic |
| I'll lock the bettery in there and if they check for whatver reason then w'e. haha i'll show thm its locked. I'll carpet the inside. I mean I really dont think they'll care about this. lol. If its secured and covered by 3.4 inch mdf they wont care. If there's a fire its not like it's a danger to me. lol. I'll be across the track taking pictures to post here and wondering how to tell insurace how it happened. |
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| Nightstalker |
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Originally posted by Charles_00civic
Check er out. Shes secured. It'd pass tech. hahaha unless they saw the wiring jobs soulfly and I have done in the past lol.
I think I understand what your problem is now. But hey, if you and the drift king do things like this.. They have got to be right. There is no way I would let you out on a road course with that. Maybe I should go get the Budpark rules for you.. Considering that Drag racing < Real Racing. |
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| Jockette |
most places will follow NHRA Rulebook
I heard of some places putting a flashlight in the box and see if any air gets out as their way of certifying it - I only heard this so don't take my word for it. I'm sure the NHRA Rulebook would lay it out. Besides that, it also has to be vented and have an external killswitch |
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| Jockette |
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Originally posted by Charles_00civic
Note: car is 1.6 l honda civic. hahaha. racing?!?!?!?! ahaha. lol. I'll wait for the g35 to do that.
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
I think I understand what your problem is now. But hey, if you and the drift king do things like this.. They have got to be right. There is no way I would let you out on a road course with that. Maybe I should go get the Budpark rules for you.. Considering that Drag racing < Real Racing.
haha that was a bit of sarcasm. Even though the battery is ecured down and the box bolted onto the floor so it doesnt move etc. Still no? lol. I'd love to see some bud park rules.I'm thinkgin abot lingin the inside with diamond plate. lol. I dunno. I think i
d be let on if the bettery was secured down and there was obviosly no way it was getting out. |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by Jockette
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? and my civic needs an external kill switch to race around at bud park? lol. waste. haha it's an autmatic econobox. Seriously who races a 1.6l honda? lol. |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by Charles_00civic
? and my civic needs an external kill switch to race around at bud park? lol. waste. haha it's an autmatic econobox. Seriously who races a 1.6l honda? lol.
any vehicle that has had its battery relocated outside the engine bay does.
Thems the rules. They are they for your safety. |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by mwdguy
any vehicle that has had its battery relocated outside the engine bay does.
Thems the rules. They are they for your safety.
Wait for normal street use? You seem to think i'm using my econobox for racing?? lol. |
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| Jockette |
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Originally posted by Charles_00civic
? and my civic needs an external kill switch to race around at bud park? lol. waste. haha it's an autmatic econobox. Seriously who races a 1.6l honda? lol.
then why the relocation? |
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| Charles_00civic |
| Wont fit in stock location plus it'll help a bit in winter. Mainly it'll look cool lol. |
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| 86lx |
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Originally posted by Charles_00civic
Wont fit in stock location plus it'll help a bit in winter. Mainly it'll look cool lol.
How is it going to help in the winter. You are taking wieght off the front wheels. Your car is front wheel drive, and most of your braking is done with the front wheels. Moving weight from front to back is counter productive in your car for the winter. |
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| Nightstalker |
| Actually.. Just so you know. A LOT of people race 1.6L hondas. I have a couple friends with video of them passing M3s and even some Porshes on a road course. We are talking B16 though, not D16.. I have passed vipers with my 1.8.. skylines... Its not about displacement, its about what you do with what you have. And yes it will be counter productive for winter driving.. |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
Its not about displacement, its about what you do with what you have.
I tell my wife that all the time lol |
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| Charles_00civic |
| boouurrnns. lol. haha. My civic's back slids out allt he time on turns. The front gets good traction. But on snow like reidential streets the back will go out easily. Even with the winter tires. W/e this is more for show. Still ahha 1.g l honda's racing. Like oither 1.6's lol. I know some civic' like the b16-h22 ones are insane sometimes. But still. You do what you do to a civic to oh say a skyline or w.e and the skyline wins. I dunno I love my civic! lol. I'm ding intaktr ehader exhaust etc. I know they can be fast but I dont get y for edmonton especually peoplturbo their cars etc. I mean you get 2 mos of non ice rods. lol well 4 but still. |
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| mattEG |
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Originally posted by Charles_00civic
boouurrnns. lol. haha. My civic's back slids out allt he time on turns. The front gets good traction. But on snow like reidential streets the back will go out easily. Even with the winter tires. W/e this is more for show. Still ahha 1.g l honda's racing. Like oither 1.6's lol. I know some civic' like the b16-h22 ones are insane sometimes. But still. You do what you do to a civic to oh say a skyline or w.e and the skyline wins. I dunno I love my civic! lol. I'm ding intaktr ehader exhaust etc. I know they can be fast but I dont get y for edmonton especually peoplturbo their cars etc. I mean you get 2 mos of non ice rods. lol well 4 but still.
Can you fucking learn to SPEAK please.
As for the rest of it.. You must have one of those special RWD civics that throw the back end out all dorifto styles everytime you drive around on ice. Neat! Can I buy it off you?
I don't understand this silly MDF box shit, nor do I understand why exactly you want to relocate the battery to the back of the car. Stupid idea, stupid box, just plain stupid. I can and will promise you that you will never pass tech at any major event that is worth a shit. And if you do, they have the worst tech ever and/or you suck good dick.
And while I'm on my high horse, I may as well tell you to eat shit for the who would race a 1.6l civic comment. I had a 1.5L civic with intake/header/exhaust and my fat ass in it do fairly well at more than a few highspeed lapping events. This is with hardly any driver skill and one of the slower straight line cars out there and about $300 into the suspension. There are a few people around that can vouch for that. So please don't ever tell me that 1.6L civics are not to be raced.
Now for something that is actually constructive. I would recommend taking that MDF abortion of a box and using it as a form to bend sheet metal around and come up with a functional battery box. It really wouldn't be that hard, and then at least you'd be able to pass tech when you decide to race your 1.6L civic.
Best of luck. |
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| Nightstalker |
| HA HA HA HA HA... ha. |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by mattEG
Can you fucking learn to SPEAK please.
As for the rest of it.. You must have one of those special RWD civics that throw the back end out all dorifto styles everytime you drive around on ice. Neat! Can I buy it off you?
I don't understand this silly MDF box shit, nor do I understand why exactly you want to relocate the battery to the back of the car. Stupid idea, stupid box, just plain stupid. I can and will promise you that you will never pass tech at any major event that is worth a shit. And if you do, they have the worst tech ever and/or you suck good dick.
And while I'm on my high horse, I may as well tell you to eat shit for the who would race a 1.6l civic comment. I had a 1.5L civic with intake/header/exhaust and my fat ass in it do fairly well at more than a few highspeed lapping events. This is with hardly any driver skill and one of the slower straight line cars out there and about $300 into the suspension. There are a few people around that can vouch for that. So please don't ever tell me that 1.6L civics are not to be raced.
Now for something that is actually constructive. I would recommend taking that MDF abortion of a box and using it as a form to bend sheet metal around and come up with a functional battery box. It really wouldn't be that hard, and then at least you'd be able to pass tech when you decide to race your 1.6L civic.
Best of luck.
Learning to type: too lazy
Civic's rear going out: Happens in turns when wheels dont spin.
1/6l not racing: I see lots of nice civic's that are fast. I mean I think an intake header exhaust on a civic is the perfect setup for anywhere thats not race orientated. It's sporty, sounds nice, economical etc. Thats why i got a civic.
New box: Nope. This is for looks. Not for racing. Learn to read.
Best of luck. |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
HA HA HA HA HA... ha.
Thanks for contributing? :dunno: |
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| mattEG |
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Originally posted by Charles_00civic
Learning to type: too lazy
Civic's rear going out: Happens in turns when wheels dont spin.
1/6l not racing: I see lots of nice civic's that are fast. I mean I think an intake header exhaust on a civic is the perfect setup for anywhere thats not race orientated. It's sporty, sounds nice, economical etc. Thats why i got a civic.
New box: Nope. This is for looks. Not for racing. Learn to read.
Best of luck.
Learn to read? Fuck learning to read. Learn to not be a fucking retard. A fucking MDF box? What the fuck? Are you trying to burn your car to the ground? Shit I hope you do, at which point we can contact your insurance company and send them pictures of your nice little modification. Don't be a fucking tool. I know Soulfly is smarter than this, maybe he can knock some sense into you. |
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| Markgase2000 |
| Wow fellas whats all the race talk gotta do with a cosmetic mod on a car thats not ever intended for racing? Is 20-50lbs of weight loss on the front end really that dangerous? :confused: |
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| Nightstalker |
Are you really sure soulfly is Matt ?
I can vouch for Matt. He is really big guy, and he passed b16 powered cars with his D16.. Its more about the driver. Aside from that the suspension in the EGs and EKs is actually years ahead of there time. |
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| Charles_00civic |
| wow. Check what type of battery it is, how it'll be secured down, and the measures i'm going though to do a good job with the distriubter and fuse etc. lol. It's not gonn burn to the ground. Cars newer than 16 years old (Not that you'd know this) are pretty much all plastic and easy to work with. lol. Plus optima betteries release no gasses that can case respitory harm or damage to solid materials. Soulfly thought it was a good idea man. He likes the plan. Also, whats wrong with mdf? Does it magically combust when within 10 inches of a battery? Umm. No, it doesn't. How about you research it before you speak. Hell, it's as simple as www.google.com/Search/uidd4/DOESABA...UDDENLYCOMBUST. or something like that. A regular battery woud require ventilation all that jazz. Not this on though. Keep trying? I don't know what to say... :rolleyes: :thumbup: |
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| Nightstalker |
| Bring it out to a meet. I will bring the sticks, Matt can bring Marshmellows and Dogs. |
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| mattEG |
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Originally posted by Charles_00civic
wow. Check what type of battery it is, how it'll be secured down, and the measures i'm going though to do a good job with the distriubter and fuse etc. lol. It's not gonn burn to the ground. Cars newer than 16 years old (Not that you'd know this) are pretty much all plastic and easy to work with. lol. Plus optima betteries release no gasses that can case respitory harm or damage to solid materials. Soulfly thought it was a good idea man. He likes the plan. Also, whats wrong with mdf? Does it magically combust when within 10 inches of a battery? Umm. No, it doesn't. How about you research it before you speak. Hell, it's as simple as www.google.com/Search/uidd4/DOESABA...UDDENLYCOMBUST. or something like that. A regular battery woud require ventilation all that jazz. Not this on though. Keep trying? I don't know what to say... :rolleyes: :thumbup:
I'm not trying shit. I'm just pointing out how incredibly stupid you are. Shit, build the box out of diamond plate, that'd be way more bling and STILL pass tech better then a hunk of sawdust and glue. |
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| mattEG |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
Bring it out to a meet. I will bring the sticks, Matt can bring Marshmellows and Dogs.
Ding ding ding! |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
Are you really sure soulfly is Matt ?
I can vouch for Matt. He is really big guy, and he passed b16 powered cars with his D16.. Its more about the driver. Aside from that the suspension in the EGs and EKs is actually years ahead of there time.
Fuck yah. D16's have ALOT of potential. All honda's do. I guess what i'm saying is, there's cars that you ca start off with something better, yuo know interior and engine wise. I dunno. I love civic's. They're easy to work with, practical, can be fast. A turbo d16 can crown skylies etc with proper internals running a high psi. For young kids like us they're great. All these little import runabouts are. I mean when i'm 25 I won't wan pull up in my rice rocket with the subs on, i/h/e making niose, just making it over the speed bumps. lol. I'd want something conservative that I can stil work on as a passtime. eg. Mark's Pontiac, or decent mid range car that is fun to drive yet doesnt portray me as a young Johnny Ricer. You know. They're awesome now. However you can see my point about putting a turbo on a civic, running higher psi's only to make like 200hp. One thing I do like about civic's is the fact that you can be indicitavie. They're all round great cars, but families haul they're two year old to the park in em. I know part of the appeal is making something that started as soo little into something alot more, but there are better alternatives. |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by mattEG
I'm not trying shit. I'm just pointing out how incredibly stupid you are. Shit, build the box out of diamond plate, that'd be way more bling and STILL pass tech better then a hunk of sawdust and glue.
Why would I make it out of diamond plate??? I dont want a hunk of metal in my trunk. I want somethin that matches my sub box and looks good. My bud ryan did it in his crx and it's cool. If you have proof that an ultima will amke pdf combust then by all means bring it forwrd and i'll take you somewhat seriously. |
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| mattEG |
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Originally posted by Charles_00civic
Fuck yah. D16's have ALOT of potential. All honda's do. I guess what i'm saying is, there's cars that you ca start off with something better, yuo know interior and engine wise. I dunno. I love civic's. They're easy to work with, practical, can be fast. A turbo d16 can crown skylies etc with proper internals running a high psi. For young kids like us they're great. All these little import runabouts are. I mean when i'm 25 I won't wan pull up in my rice rocket with the subs on, i/h/e making niose, just making it over the speed bumps. lol. I'd want something conservative that I can stil work on as a passtime. eg. Mark's Pontiac, or decent mid range car that is fun to drive yet doesnt portray me as a young Johnny Ricer. You know. They're awesome now. However you can see my point about putting a turbo on a civic, running higher psi's only to make like 200hp. One thing I do like about civic's is the fact that you can be indicitavie. They're all round great cars, but families haul they're two year old to the park in em. I know part of the appeal is making something that started as soo little into something alot more, but there are better alternatives.
The only better alternative for an auto-x car is a miata. |
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| mattEG |
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Originally posted by Charles_00civic
Why would I make it out of diamond plate??? I dont want a hunk of metal in my trunk. I want somethin that matches my sub box and looks good. My bud ryan did it in his crx and it's cool. If you have proof that an ultima will amke pdf combust then by all means bring it forwrd and i'll take you somewhat seriously.
It's ok man. :) You don't need to take me seriously as I don't take you seriously. Your idea serves no purpose at all other than "looking" pretty and I've never really had a use for that. Just felt like raining on your parade. My bad. |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by mattEG
Learn to read? Fuck learning to read. Learn to not be a fucking retard. A fucking MDF box? What the fuck? Are you trying to burn your car to the ground? Shit I hope you do, at which point we can contact your insurance company and send them pictures of your nice little modification. Don't be a fucking tool. I know Soulfly is smarter than this, maybe he can knock some sense into you.
Soulfly (trevor) wouldnt be so low as to beat up a 15 year old kid over a thread. This is just rediculous I mean the kid is just putting sterio shit and a battery closer to the amps thats all. If you got a problem with it then I plead for you to disregard his post it upsets you too much that you would wish harm to the poor guy. Not saying Im gonna back up charles in a fist fight but I am saying I dont think he should have to walk around looking over his shoulder thinking some adult is gonna beat him up for doing what he wants to do.
Peace man please dont hurt charles........ |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
Bring it out to a meet. I will bring the sticks, Matt can bring Marshmellows and Dogs.
hahaha. let's park our cars in a lot and rev up our 4 cylinder powerhouses so we can wake up white ave. It's nice to see other peoples cars etc, so i can see the appeal in that sense, but from some of the stuff my neighbour tells me about the meets, I don't know. lol He's an investigator at the white ave station there. I know alot of people are sensible and i will go to a meet or two, but I dunno. You guys shut down my work wiht no prior knowledge to back it up. In that respect I have no respect for you. In terms of your appreciation for cars and how they make a great passtime I can definately see where they're coming from. P.S Soulfly isnt matt lol. |
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| Markgase2000 |
| That last post came too late sorry matt , thanks for calming down dude :thumbup: :thumbup: had me nervous there forawhile lol |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
Soulfly (trevor) wouldnt be so low as to beat up a 15 year old kid over a thread. This is just rediculous I mean the kid is just putting sterio shit and a battery closer to the amps thats all. If you got a problem with it then I plead for you to disregard his post it upsets you too much that you would wish harm to the poor guy. Not saying Im gonna back up charles in a fist fight but I am saying I dont think he should have to walk around looking over his shoulder thinking some adult is gonna beat him up for doing what he wants to do.
Peace man please dont hurt charles........
haha. its not that serious. No one could possibly take this seriously. |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by mattEG
It's ok man. :) You don't need to take me seriously as I don't take you seriously. Your idea serves no purpose at all other than "looking" pretty and I've never really had a use for that. Just felt like raining on your parade. My bad.
Finally! I have no idea where this thread took off from "Here's my battery reloacation cause it doenst fit under my hood" to "You couldnt race in that thing" haha. I dunno. It's purely cosmetic. However, its not gonn start a fire lol. |
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| Adam |
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Originally posted by mattEG
Can you fucking learn to SPEAK please.
As for the rest of it.. You must have one of those special RWD civics that throw the back end out all dorifto styles everytime you drive around on ice. Neat! Can I buy it off you?
I don't understand this silly MDF box shit, nor do I understand why exactly you want to relocate the battery to the back of the car. Stupid idea, stupid box, just plain stupid. I can and will promise you that you will never pass tech at any major event that is worth a shit. And if you do, they have the worst tech ever and/or you suck good dick.
And while I'm on my high horse, I may as well tell you to eat shit for the who would race a 1.6l civic comment. I had a 1.5L civic with intake/header/exhaust and my fat ass in it do fairly well at more than a few highspeed lapping events. This is with hardly any driver skill and one of the slower straight line cars out there and about $300 into the suspension. There are a few people around that can vouch for that. So please don't ever tell me that 1.6L civics are not to be raced.
Now for something that is actually constructive. I would recommend taking that MDF abortion of a box and using it as a form to bend sheet metal around and come up with a functional battery box. It really wouldn't be that hard, and then at least you'd be able to pass tech when you decide to race your 1.6L civic.
Best of luck.
All you guy need to take a big pill.
Why are you ragging on the guy for making a box himself? Give him a break...
He already says he's not going to race, so why bust his balls about tech?
The box is obviously functional...it holds a battery in a secure location...pretty straight forward
The MDF box lighting on fire?? youre kidding right? If you can explain how this box will catch on fire....
He's obviously making it to save some coin on wire for his stereo setup and to make his trunck display a little better...who cares, its not youre car.
You dont need a firewall for youre battery...thats for fuel cells.
I still cant beleive how all you guys linched on this dude for trying to DIY. How bored are you all to let what someone else is doing with there car bother you so much that you have to berate him??
Ethugging it is real cool...I'll bet that if he showed up at a meet and popped his trunk, none of you would have the balls to say this kind of stuff to his face...and if you say yes, then next year I'm calling you out at the meet to "display" your opinion to whomever you were so bravely saying shit to on the internet.
By the way, I like your batt box...it looks good, much better than mine.
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| mwdguy |
Adam,
if your battery is not in a sealed and vented to the outside box you need to have a firewall between your battery and the passenger compartment. |
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| mattEG |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
Soulfly (trevor) wouldnt be so low as to beat up a 15 year old kid over a thread. This is just rediculous I mean the kid is just putting sterio shit and a battery closer to the amps thats all. If you got a problem with it then I plead for you to disregard his post it upsets you too much that you would wish harm to the poor guy. Not saying Im gonna back up charles in a fist fight but I am saying I dont think he should have to walk around looking over his shoulder thinking some adult is gonna beat him up for doing what he wants to do.
Peace man please dont hurt charles........
Easy there big fella. :) I just came into this thread to do some good old fashioned e-thugging! :D I actually can't believe someone took that in the literal sense! Either way, best o' luck with the box! |
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| Jockette |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
Wow fellas whats all the race talk gotta do with a cosmetic mod on a car thats not ever intended for racing? Is 20-50lbs of weight loss on the front end really that dangerous? :confused:
Last time I lifted a Yellow Top, I don't think it was that heavy. Unless I'm superwoman |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
My redtop is about 30lbs.
And as far as battery+ MDF = fire.. umm no... I ran a 1100cca motomaster eliminator(standard battery in my trunk as a second batt for 3 yrs on a mdf base with a mdf topper(it was integrated into my amp rack, you couldn't even tell it was there). no probs... Yes the fumes and crap did cause the mdf to swell and bubble a bit, bit thats it.
Battery+mdf+ arcing or sparks = potential fire sure... but if you secure all the wires in the box fine, nothing should arc. |
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| Almost2 |
wouldn't duct taping it to the top of the trunk be the ideal place to put the extra weight for winter driving?
then it'd be out of the passenger compartment, and the wind would put all the flames out right? If you give the racing guys a broom handle they can knock it off the trunk...boom there's your kill switch. All problems solved. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by Almost2
wouldn't duct taping it to the top of the trunk be the ideal place to put the extra weight for winter driving?
then it'd be out of the passenger compartment, and the wind would put all the flames out right? If you give the racing guys a broom handle they can knock it off the trunk...boom there's your kill switch. All problems solved.
K, thats just being stupid, I'm sorry. |
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| dc2696 |
| k whoever said u don't need weight over ur rear tires ina fwd in the winter is fucking retarded, my mx-6's rear would slide out all the fucking time until i loaded it with sand bags, as for a trunk battery needing a kill swtich...my miata doesn't have one and the battery is in the trunk, and flaming a 15 yr old for doing a diy thread....pathetic. |
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| mattEG |
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Originally posted by dc2696
k whoever said u don't need weight over ur rear tires ina fwd in the winter is fucking retarded, my mx-6's rear would slide out all the fucking time until i loaded it with sand bags, as for a trunk battery needing a kill swtich...my miata doesn't have one and the battery is in the trunk, and flaming a 15 yr old for doing a diy thread....pathetic.
.... Weird how 60% of the people on the road drive FWD vehicles and less then 1% of them bother with weight in the rear to drive in the winter. I've never seen this magical rear end slideout you speak of unless said person was driving like a sausage. Correct me if I'm wrong but miata's have the battery in the trunk stock right? If you want to get real techinical the battery in my MR2 is in the "frunk" nowhere near the engine and it has no kill switch. NHRA rules are rules. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
2-3 winters ago on the highway my rear end kicked out on me 3 times. Once on a straight away - rear tire caught the edge of a rut and I went all over the road, did manage to recover
Second was 40km later, just finishing a curve.. dunno what happened, but I managed to control the car enough to put it in the ditch backwards.
Third(completely diff trip), on a curve buddy was coming head on and crossed the center line, so I creaped to the shoulder, turns out the road was sheer ice. rear tire caught somethign again... same thing I went all over the road, but managed to avoid hittingthe guy, and again, I put the car safely in the ditch backwards.
I had a 150-200lbs sub box in the trunk... mind you H rated tires probably didn't help. |
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| mattEG |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
2-3 winters ago on the highway my rear end kicked out on me 3 times. Once on a straight away - rear tire caught the edge of a rut and I went all over the road, did manage to recover
Second was 40km later, just finishing a curve.. dunno what happened, but I managed to control the car enough to put it in the ditch backwards.
Third(completely diff trip), on a curve buddy was coming head on and crossed the center line, so I creaped to the shoulder, turns out the road was sheer ice. rear tire caught somethign again... same thing I went all over the road, but managed to avoid hittingthe guy, and again, I put the car safely in the ditch backwards.
I had a 150-200lbs sub box in the trunk... mind you H rated tires probably didn't help.
Wow, that really is "all the time" as was stated. CRAZY, THREE WHOLE TIMES. :P
Seriously though, to get the rearend to come out on a FWD in the winter you've got to be doing something incredibly wrong, and/or doing it on purpose for the sheer fun of it. |
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| Nightstalker |
| I agree with Matt... I don't think I can think of a single time when the car just desided to do something I didn't want it to. Maybe you guys should be watching Canada's Worst Driver and picking up some tips... I was watching it last night and laughing my ass off.. It kinda reminded me of some of the stories from this message board. |
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| Jockette |
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Originally posted by mattEG
Seriously though, to get the rearend to come out on a FWD in the winter you've got to be doing something incredibly wrong, and/or doing it on purpose for the sheer fun of it.
I agree. Majority of the users on here (minus the person who made this thread obviously) drive a standard tranny equipped vehicle - use it to your advantage |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by Adam
All you guy need to take a big pill.
Why are you ragging on the guy for making a box himself? Give him a break...
He already says he's not going to race, so why bust his balls about tech?
The box is obviously functional...it holds a battery in a secure location...pretty straight forward
The MDF box lighting on fire?? youre kidding right? If you can explain how this box will catch on fire....
He's obviously making it to save some coin on wire for his stereo setup and to make his trunck display a little better...who cares, its not youre car.
You dont need a firewall for youre battery...thats for fuel cells.
I still cant beleive how all you guys linched on this dude for trying to DIY. How bored are you all to let what someone else is doing with there car bother you so much that you have to berate him??
Ethugging it is real cool...I'll bet that if he showed up at a meet and popped his trunk, none of you would have the balls to say this kind of stuff to his face...and if you say yes, then next year I'm calling you out at the meet to "display" your opinion to whomever you were so bravely saying shit to on the internet.
By the way, I like your batt box...it looks good, much better than mine.
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Well its not to only save coin. Carpeted looks sweet too. I want it to match,. DOntr want black plastic or allum. in the back. |
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| Charles_00civic |
hhahaha. Well cause I have to wait for 15 days for ym lciense/insurace, I couldnt drive myself to get some carpet today. lol. I'll try some other time, or on the weekend.
p.s Trev! We'll finish the airplane and maybe get some carpet sometime? :dunno: I want to finish this up.
Oh. I filled it all in with silocone and its smooth now. Sanded some of the edges. Looks great. With carpet it'll look amazing. I'm going to cut the little clip holders in the wood and screw metal ones on. Oh and I dont need to have a metal wall b/w me and the battery unless it is in the driver's compartment at which point it only needs to be securely mounted and sealed. In the back it needs to be secured and sealed as well but now it is lol. |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by mattEG
Wow, that really is "all the time" as was stated. CRAZY, THREE WHOLE TIMES. :P
Seriously though, to get the rearend to come out on a FWD in the winter you've got to be doing something incredibly wrong, and/or doing it on purpose for the sheer fun of it.
Umm. the front holds really well, but the back is always first to slide on ice. The fron't traction is better. Also, Mark was right about the weight. 20lbs to 50lbs or w/e. The battery may only be 15 lbs but being located where it is, it distributes more weight then just it's weight. I dunno how it works. I found out when i was searching this. :thumbup: |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by mattEG
Easy there big fella. :) I just came into this thread to do some good old fashioned e-thugging! :D I actually can't believe someone took that in the literal sense! Either way, best o' luck with the box!
Hahaha its all good I also commented to you a apollogy but the posts added up quickly in the 30 seconds it took me to post back.
The main reason I laughed is "Big Fella" lmao Im a small skinny man just ask nightstalker (mike) :lol: I just get scared for kids is all.
The main reason I got concerned Matt is that Trevor knows Charles personally and that set off my protect the kid alarm. Just too close for comfort lol thanks for the assurance tho I wont worry about it now. |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by Jockette
Last time I lifted a Yellow Top, I don't think it was that heavy. Unless I'm superwoman
I dunno the batteries Im used to are 30+ lbs I never lifted a yellow top before. |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
I dunno the batteries Im used to are 30+ lbs I never lifted a yellow top before.
My red top was like 20lbs and the yelows which are a bit bigger are about 25 I think. haha mark. We should start working on the speakers for your car and then we can revinyl the interior pieces and get her all assembled. I need to finish the van, and vinyl is next on the list. PS Did you ever find any diamond plate? |
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| Markgase2000 |
I cant find bulk diamond plate anywheres little help fellas?
As for my car ya I could use a hand get it done :thumbup: thanks buddy! |
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| Charles_00civic |
Question. Where can i get the 4 gauge or 2 gauge or 0 gauge wire cheap. I mean, my 4 gauge sub wiring kit was 100. lol. It's about 5 bucks a foot at visions. I dont know of any welding shops either.
EDIT: trev works at a welding shop
Second question: If i only have the one positive wire running from the battery to the old wiring how does the laternator recharge this battery?? I mean isnt it one way system. Power goes out but not in? |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Cheap wire - Princess auto - 1/0 goes on sale every once and a while fro $2.50/ft. 2ga I think $1.50
You have to ground the neg terminal of the batt somewhere in the trunk.. where is you amp grounded too?
A strut tower can work, or make a new ground somewhere.
Also, you shouldn't have to, but it wouldn't hurt to ground the battery clamp up front that would have been connected to the neg on the batt. |
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| Supra_devil |
every time i've done a relocation i've bought the cable from princess auto, i was also lucky enough to be buying during sales for extra savings. But you say you know a guy at a welding shop, so hopefully he can help you out.
I always ran the positive and negative cables to the back of the car, I actually made a new ground from the engine block to the ground terminal to eliminate any chance of problems.
Can't wait to see what it looks like done. |
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| Charles_00civic |
| I'm going to ground the old negative wires to the frame lol. However I cant ground the battery to the same ground as the amp. Appreantly the signals cang get sonfused, Whether it be alternator or the amp grounding itself. I'll make a new ground by taqking of the rear panel drilling a hole, and using a nut bolt and wsher to hold it in so its damn tight. I'll go to P.A. Trev actaully said that to me yesterday night haha. Thanks guys! P.S If anyone wants to give me a ride to princess auto feel free. lol. haha. i'll try to go today. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
| What I tend to do with a rear-batt, is I run the Pos and neg from the amp directly to the side terminals on the batt... then run from the top Pos to the front of the car, then from the top neg to a ground point. |
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| Charles_00civic |
| Yah. I got the amp part but after that it was like wtf. lol. I want to take some 2 gauge, run it from the positive terminal to the old positive wires. I'll use a disributer to get lite,4 8 gauge outputs and i'll run em to the old lcoations on the old part that was connceted to the positive battery terminal. I'll ground the battery to the frame (Even though it gets annoying to get shocked everytime i touch the car) and yah. Hook up the amp, all that ans be on my way. lol. I want to replace some of the od wire with some of my fancy 4 red 4 gauge stinger wiring, of which i have 20 feet. lol. Just for show. I need to convince my parents to haul me to end of the roll and then PA and i'll post up more pics. ;) |
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| Jockette |
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Second question: If i only have the one positive wire running from the battery to the old wiring how does the laternator recharge this battery?? I mean isnt it one way system. Power goes out but not in? [/B]
This is where your install can go horribly wrong, if you don't know how your charging system works or even the basic car electrical, adding a second battery on your own is NOT a good idea. You need to at the very least talk to a professional, not just the yahoo's on this board.
Why not chat with someone from certified radio? They are all MECP certified and talk is free, I'm sure they could at least give you some safety pointers....
Might save you from a electrical fire, anyone have a link to that VW that burnt to the ground? It might be a good sobriety call for what can go wrong... |
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| Almost2 |
I have to agree with that. A little bit of talking won't hurt anything...Certified could probably hook you up with some cheaper wire too.
That VW started as just a tiny little flame in the glove box and was gone in about 5 minutes by the time the fire truck arrived....
I'll find the link.http://media.putfile.com/SRgtiFIRE |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by Jockette
This is where your install can go horribly wrong, if you don't know how your charging system works or even the basic car electrical, adding a second battery on your own is NOT a good idea. You need to at the very least talk to a professional, not just the yahoo's on this board.
Why not chat with someone from certified radio? They are all MECP certified and talk is free, I'm sure they could at least give you some safety pointers....
Might save you from a electrical fire, anyone have a link to that VW that burnt to the ground? It might be a good sobriety call for what can go wrong...
haha i posted that VW here bro. I know. lol Trev is coming. I wasnt sure how the laternator could echarge it. I didnt think it would go allth e way through the frame. I wanted to know it i ahd to ground the bettery to the laternator. Just wondering. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
| Oh ya.. and have 2 fuses on your pos wire, one with in 18" of where it attaches to stock wire up front and one before it leaves your box in the trunk. |
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| Supra_devil |
| So i'm confused here, are you running a NEG cable to the motor? cuz it can cause problems like shocking you while exiting, bad grounding for your spark plugs, remember they do ground to the block, and some sensors may not work as accuretly as they ground to the block as well. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by Supra_devil
So i'm confused here, are you running a NEG cable to the motor? cuz it can cause problems like shocking you while exiting, bad grounding for your spark plugs, remember they do ground to the block, and some sensors may not work as accuretly as they ground to the block as well.
Umm.. my car grounds the Neg to the block and to the chasis stock... I think every vehicle I've owned has grounded to both. So I don't see how it could be an issue. |
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| Supra_devil |
hes relocating it(battery) to the back, is he going to run a neg cable from the engine too? i didn't really see whether or not he is.
i have done 3 relocations myself, i'm nota sking how he did it for directions, just stressing how important proper ground for the engine is. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Ahhhh... ok.
Me personally, I ground the neg in the trunk some where good, and ground what would have been the neg terminal up front to the chasis as one of those wires runs to the block(normally) |
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| Charles_00civic |
| Its grounded to the trunk. Now i want a transmission swap. Dont know how to go about it though. I;s so confused. I have a tranny all lined up but i need all the rest. I'll make a thread. lol |
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