| SilverNeonRacer |
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Will we still be the Country of choice and still be Canada if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that came to live in Canada because it is the Country of Choice??????
Think about it!
All we have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS?
I celebrate Christmas...........but because it isn't celebrated by
everyone..............we can no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings.
It's not Christmas vacation, it's Winter Break. Isn't it amazing how
this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas holiday?
We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that no one has a problem with that.
This says it all!
This is an editorial written by an Toronto newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!
IMMIGRANTS,
NOT Canadians
MUST ADAPT.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we
are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist
attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Canadians. However...... the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct! " crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.
I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Canada
Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants.
However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.
This idea of Canada being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity.
As Canadians.......
we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
We speak ENGLISH/FRENCH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language.
Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!
"We Stand On Guard For Thee" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan.. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women.......on Christian principles.............founded this nation..... and this is clearly documented.
It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.
If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home.........because God is part of our culture.
We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from.
This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle.
But once you are done complaining....... whining...... and
griping.......
about our flag.......
our pledge......
our national motto........
or our way of life....I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other Great Canadian Freedom.......
THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
AMEN
I agree actually... It annoys the piss outta me when some person goes into a store, and speaks their native language to the clerk, the clerk doesn't speak that language and they get upset cause the clerk doesn't speak their language.
Don't get me wrong, it's not a racism thing. If I moved to say some southern African country and expected everybody there to learn english, just cause it's all I speak. Won't happen. So why should it happen here.
It makes me laugh when somebody insults you in "their language" It happened alot growing up, the lebaniese(sp) kids where I lived thought it was the greatest thing to do. "Lets call him a name in a language he can't understand, it'll be the greatest thing since sliced bread" UMMMM HELLO. I have no clue what you said, there fore the effect of it being an insult was just 100% lost and you look like a moron. |
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| Insomniac |
That guy (writer of the editorial) seems to think he is speaking for all of "us". Couldn't be further from the truth.
I would basically disagree with him, on all counts. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by Insomniac
That guy (writer of the editorial) seems to think he is speaking for all of "us". Couldn't be further from the truth.
I would basically disagree with him, on all counts.
Why do you disagree? Just want to know your opinion? Do you think every Canadian should have to learn 12 languages or more just so you don't offend any one? |
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| oldraven |
I agree, to a point. Imigrants should not have to adapt to our way of life/beliefs any more than we should have to give ours up. Seems only the later is happening. It's bullshit.
Until my way of life, or the established Canadian way of life, intrudes on you and your way of life, then shut up and go home.
In the UK this concept has gone so far that the English are not even allowed to fly the Union Jack, or call themselves English. They must reffer to themselves as 'Britons' in order to be seen as PC. Somehow the Union Jack has become an insult to those who live in the UK who are not English. (even though the English have their own flag, separate from the UJ. It's red with a white cross)
If someone told you to start calling yourself North American, and not Canadian, or told you not to fly the Maple Leaf, what would you say in response?
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BRITAIN DESTROYING ITSELF FROM WITHIN
BY JOAN COLLINS
UK DAILY MAIL
THUS AUG 04, 2005
A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within, said the American historian Will Durrant about ancient Rome. This self-destruction of values is exactly what is happening in England today.
Yes, I still call the country of my birth England, in spite of the peculiar political correctness that insists that it be called 'the UK' and that we, its denizens, must be 'Britons'.
Even though the Welsh are proud to call themselves Welsh, as are the Irish and certainly the Scots, woe betide the Briton who calls himself 'English' -- a much-frowned-upon no-no.
I believe that when a country loses so much respect for itself that it can no longer even be identified by its historically correct name, insecurity and lack of respect filter down to its inhabitants.
Recently, I have concluded that London is no longer the 'seat of civilised society' that the world once considered it to be, and is certainly not the safe city I grew up in.
A particular incident demonstrated the lack of respect and manners that is but a small example of the horrible, encroaching decay of the country that I love dearly.
My husband Percy and I were at a ball at the Grosvenor House Hotel -- a black-tie event attended by the socalled 'elite' of the city.
As Percy held the door open to let me through, a 6ft tall, middle-aged, horse-faced male pushed past me, trod on the hem of my dress and rushed outside to climb into the taxi that the doorman had waiting for us.
This was a person who should, or at least looked like he should, have known better. The cause of his behaviour? The awful pervasive disregard that we have for civility today.
Bump accidentally into someone in the street these days and you are soundly cursed. Look at a poor derelict collapsed in a doorway for more than a second and they'll spit at you. Surely everyone has experienced the barely suppressed rage lurking behind the faces of a vast number of car drivers.
We've become the 'Whatcha lookin' at?' culture. Why do young people consider it cool to be arrogant, swaggering and rude? Why do so many people in England seem so cynical and self-centred?
I witnessed young, drunken yobs roaming the streets kicking cars, screaming insults, pushing people and even pushchairs out of their way, attacking each other viciously and then turning on the police when they tried to maintain order.
THE WHOLE scene evoked the image of hordes of inebriated Vikings sacking devastated towns. Even during the day, feral mobs roamed the cities with absolute disregard for anyone else's property or well-being. Traditional virtues of male chivalry and female propriety were very far from view.
After all, a lack of manners and politeness in a society can only be a reflection of what the society thinks of itself.
It's frightful how being told that you are no good makes you hate yourself, and hate others. And it's frightful how quickly a whole country of self-loathers can be bred.
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Wow.. ya.
I guess one way to put it is, I am me, I amd not going to change just to please you and nor do I expect you to change for me. |
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| Insomniac |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
Why do you disagree? Just want to know your opinion? Do you think every Canadian should have to learn 12 languages or more just so you don't offend any one?
Who said that you every Canadian has to learn 12 languages to not offend anyone? |
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| JustinL |
I can understand the point that the author is trying to make, but he's WAAY off on a couple things. The arguments he makes are very poor. He drops some stong words, but doesn't seem to have a good understanding of what he is saying.
How does having a multicultural society detract from our sovereingty? I.e., how does being multicultural make our government less independant from other countries?
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"We Stand On Guard For Thee" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan.. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women.......on Christian principles.............founded this nation..... and this is clearly documented.
I think he must be interpreting this line to mean that we stand "on guard" for god. In fact, the two words that precede that line are "Oh, Canada". The line in the anthem means we will protect our country... it's not religious at all.
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It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home.........because God is part of our culture.
Then he goes on to make this argument based on the previous mistake.
Anyway, I'm more offended by the poor writing and weak arguments than anything else. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Good points.
Nobody said learn 12 languages.. that was just me.
But I do see part his point with the Religon thing. Personally I hate Religon, I have faith, and thats all I need.
But Christmas break as it was called when I was in school, is now called winter break. Easter Break is well still Easter Break, but I wonder when that'll change.
It's more of how we're changing things that have been around for a long time to accomedate Immagrants. Like taking Prayer out of schools. Ok fine your not a Christian, pray to your own God/Dieity(sp) or Meditate or what ever your Religious practice is.
It's kinda like that one song Konyay west(sp) with the corus, "Jesus walks, Jesus walks on water with me" In there he says if he mentions God in a song alot of stations won't play it. |
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| Insomniac |
| So we took prayer out of school and don't play Kanye West because of immigrants? |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by JustinL
Then he goes on to make this argument based on the previous mistake.
I agree about your comment on the previous line.
But you forgot about this line...
"God keep our land... Glorious and free... "
That might've been what the author meant when he later said the remove of "God" from school.
There are hardcore athiests in the US trying to remove the expression "In God We Trust".
Come on... I may be Christian, but definitely not "religious" at all, and I see the total absurdity in this. |
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| JustinL |
Right, I assumed he was talking about our national "motto" of "we stand on gaurd for thee" not the entire anthem.
I personally would like to see governments govern, educators educate, and churches, mosks, temples take care of the religion.
I prefer to see governments not tell me what religion to follow and I would also prefer that religion not dictate what the government does. |
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| DeathBy240 |
Lets get the facts straight here.
1) That was not written by a Canadian journalist.
2) It was not written by a journalist at all, but by an American Air Force Verteran.
3) The paragraph about Canada's national anthem doesn't make sense because this "column" was originally written by an American.
This explains it all:
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/f/flagoffense.htm
But now lets pretend that it is real and was written by a columnist from Toronto...
How do you think that natives (who were here much longer than us white folk) when the white people came in and pushed Christianity and their lifestyle on them?
What we are expereincing today is one million times less than that. Nobody is forcing beliefs on anyone like the settlers did early in the country's history. |
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| ae1969 |
I think many of you have to go back and read some basic Canadian History.
The BNA ACt (Constitution of 1867).... I am pretty sure has no reference to God.
The Canadian Anthem was derived from a Poem......... It was a choice made by politicians at the time....Approximately ~1980.
The French Version of the Canadian Anthem has no reference to God.
This writer focus on the statement made in the 1982 COnstitution in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms where God is actually mentioned.
Unfortunately no definition of whose god is given. LOL
The Charter of rights and Freedoms we have to live with.
If you don't agree with it. Guess who has to leave. :D
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by Insomniac
So we took prayer out of school and don't play Kanye West because of immigrants?
Sorta.. heh cause non-christians got offended(most likely immigrants) by all the Christianianty floating arounded and wanted less of it.
Anyhow.. I don't 100% agree, I got it as an e-mail and thought it would be a nice discussion topic and it has been. My view on the matter is "evolving" so to speak based on other views.
And I thank everybody for the lack of flaming thus far. As i just stated I thought this would be a good discussion topic, not trying to shove it down people throats. |
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| ae1969 |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
I agree actually... It annoys the piss outta me when some person goes into a store, and speaks their native language to the clerk, the clerk doesn't speak that language and they get upset cause the clerk doesn't speak their language.
Maybe someone has to explain some basic human behaviour to you.
- When individuals are frustrated they get upset.
An immigrant trying to communicate is not angry with the clerk. They are angry with themselves. Its a level of frustration you obviously don't understand.
To make it easy.... watch Amazing Race and see how people react to not being able to communicate.
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
Don't get me wrong, it's not a racism thing. If I moved to say some southern African country and expected everybody there to learn english, just cause it's all I speak. Won't happen. So why should it happen here.
No one is asking anyone to learn Sudanese or Lebanese or insert your favorite minority. I would not fault immigrants for communicating in there mother tongue to talk to each other.
I would definitely fault 2nd, 3rd generation immigrants that don't try and learn english.....
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
It makes me laugh when somebody insults you in "their language" It happened alot growing up, the lebaniese(sp) kids where I lived thought it was the greatest thing to do. "Lets call him a name in a language he can't understand, it'll be the greatest thing since sliced bread" UMMMM HELLO. I have no clue what you said, there fore the effect of it being an insult was just 100% lost and you look like a moron.
I guess the question is why would they call you names?
..... but then again you were all just kids.... I am sure insults flew both ways......... |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by JustinL
Right, I assumed he was talking about our national "motto" of "we stand on gaurd for thee" not the entire anthem.
I personally would like to see governments govern, educators educate, and churches, mosks, temples take care of the religion.
I prefer to see governments not tell me what religion to follow and I would also prefer that religion not dictate what the government does.
yup....
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/american.htm
Kinda ironic though that whoever rewrote that thing for Canada couldn't even be bothered to get their facts straight about the national anthem. :p |
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| oldraven |
Well, here in Canada, religion has no governing power. Once in a while Christianity is referenced in certain documents, but by no means does the chruch have any power when it comes to passing bills, etc. As it should be.
Now, removing Christmas from the schools is discrimination, at its most basic. There are no laws keeping Kwanza from being celebrated in the schools by the many African decendants or imigrants who choose to. Or any other religious day, for that matter. I see no reason why they sould be. The more cultures our children learn about the closer our society will be to understanding one another.
This is as ridiculous as Christians shunning Haloween for being fouded in a pagan tradition. Hey, that's a religious holiday. But you won't see it disapear any time soon.
Anyway, we shouldn't have to opologize for being the majority. We're punished for what? Celebrating our own cultures? |
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| ae1969 |
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Originally posted by oldraven
Well, here in Canada, religion has no governing power. Once in a while Christianity is referenced in certain documents, but by no means does the chruch have any power when it comes to passing bills, etc. As it should be.
Now, removing Christmas from the schools is discrimination, at its most basic. There are no laws keeping Kwanza from being celebrated in the schools by the many African decendants or imigrants who choose to. Or any other religious day, for that matter. I see no reason why they sould be. The more cultures our children learn about the closer our society will be to understanding one another.
This is as ridiculous as Christians shunning Haloween for being fouded in a pagan tradition. Hey, that's a religious holiday. But you won't see it disapear any time soon.
Anyway, we shouldn't have to opologize for being the majority. We're punished for what? Celebrating our own cultures?
I completely agree with you.
The dilemna we have is that we have a Charter of RIghts and Freedoms.
The charter specifically states that we are all equal.
The interpretation is pretty straight forward. The Charter is there to protect the minority not the majority. That is the beauty of the act .
WHen you think about it......... it really is one of the most important documents that defines what being a Canadian is.
Tolerant. |
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| Supra_devil |
the united states is what they call a cultural melting pot, you conform, you are american, nothing more. Canada has always been multicultural, and i have no problem with this, my problem comes from favouritism among cultures, discrimination against others because your a different culture, etc. i think that we don't need to be so concerned about their feelings towards our country as they are the immigrants. My family for one has been here since people started coming over, since before Canada was its own country. Multiculturalism defines part of Canada and what it was founded on, it was never a cultural melting pot, and probably never will. But we don't need to conform to what the immagrants think or feel either, they can accept that this is a different country than they came from, we don't do things the way we do to insult anyone.
Honestly that guy sounds like an american to me, and more and more people are starting to take american attitudes. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| Am I the only one that thinks Mandarin should be adopted as Canada's third official language? There are now over 1,000,000 people in the country that speak the language as their native tongue, but it still does not receive official recognition.:dunno: |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by oldraven
If someone told you to start calling yourself North American, and not Canadian, or told you not to fly the Maple Leaf, what would you say in response?
I'd tell them to stick it up their ass. One of my main points of pride is NOT being American. I'm very proud to be Canadian, and I'm glad we don't have the stereotypical "you're a dumbass" thing that the Americans have. It's not true, of course... not all Americans are dumb, and there are dumb Canadians... but given the choice, I'm glad I'm Canadian. |
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