| Engine swap for the GA. - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| Markgase2000 |
Im lookin at a decently fresh V8 from a 88 caddy front wheel drive v8. I dunno seems kinda pricey for the car $500. It has low miles tho 113,000 miles and all the papers one owner.
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| 4kruzn |
| i have a complete 99 GP sc 3.8 liter and all accesories and computor and trans etc.....pretty much a bolt in swap for a grand am... 240hp stock and easily close to 275 with a pully and a chip. FAR more reliable than a old caddy motor |
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| Markgase2000 |
More reliable than a caddy engine? I dunno about that.
How much you want for the 3.8 kinda interesting thanks for the reply :) |
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| mwdguy |
| Dumb idea .. start with something better for a swap and better as a car as a whole. |
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| qualthar |
If Mark wants to drive a Grand Am, then why can't put whatever engine he wants in it?
I know he's not going to do it just to impress the rest of us, so why not keep an open mind and appreciate him actually doing something different? |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by qualthar
If Mark wants to drive a Grand Am, then why can't put whatever engine he wants in it?
I know he's not going to do it just to impress the rest of us, so why not keep an open mind and appreciate him actually doing something different?
I could care less what he puts in there, fact of the matter is, there will be LOTS of fab work to do, because AFAIK there are no engine swap kits for a GA (motor mounts etc etc)
Hell i would put in a 3.8 out of a GTP, and rip the blower off of it and turbo it.
www.zzperformance.com |
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| Markgase2000 |
Hey mwdguy no worries about my friends comment. Your opinion makes alot of sense. My cars not hot shit nor would it be if it had a 3.8 nor wouldit be if I had a 350LT1 supercharged converted with a rwd which has been done. Im just curious is all. Your opinion does matter to me I value it thanks :)
P.S.- I got pics of a 99 GA with a corvette engine supercharged rwd conversion. But the guy wanted to do a awd setup on it then he broke it and gave up.
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?...t1ingagt8ez.jpg |
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| Charles_00civic |
| Nicce mark. ahaha. You should put a small block with blower and all that. lol. Do it up right! Caddy engines are swee too. How are you gonn open a shop if you spend this money on the car?? lol. |
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| Charles_00civic |
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| Markgase2000 |
Spending $500 on a engine gonna break me? Id do all the fab pretty much myself I got lots of tecs and body guys that would help me out. So its more a case of time and a place and alot of bullshit smashing banging hurting and not a second would go by without any cussing. I would be in heaven!
Oh and the frequent I need this and that stuff inbetween lol! I guess your right would be a fat chance in hell of starting my shop if I spent time and money on a project like that. |
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| Soulfly |
lol.. Mark.. Look into a RWD conversion!!!
That would own.. and get that 3.8L SC GTP engine! WOOO!
you'd have fun! :thumbup: |
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| Markgase2000 |
No doupt lol! Theres a few GA's in the city here that done a 3.8 sc swap I dont hear them complaining. But now mwdguy got me thinkin turbo. I wonder what Turbo my GA can handle on the LA1. Stock compression is 9.5:1 it can handle 7-9lbs boost with that compression without mods. Had a compression test done just before summer and they were bang on pretty sturdy engine. In NA form the way it is now its no slouch really can keep up with alot of muscle street rods and makes hesh guys scratch there heads.
3.8 sc from what alot of gm tecs tell me , if you run them hard on a regular basis be ready to be adding a shit load of maintenance time to it. I also hear if they are drivin hard on a regular basis that they like to puke fluids. Some guys tell me thats all bs but they arent tecs so whos side would I be on right?
Still 3.8 sc is #1 idea , 3.8 or the 3.4 turbo is #2 and then a caddy 4.5 NA is #3. The mounts are pretty simular from the caddy to the GA and the space under the hood looks like it will have more in the GA then the caddy so fabbing new mount positions and bracing them would be alot easier/cheaper than idea #4 on a v8 rwd conversion. |
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| qualthar |
Good luck with the project Mark, at least you're researching all your options before making any bad choices :p
mwdguy I didn't mean to sound arrogant, but you know how some people love flashing their elitist opinions around here :lol: Sounds like you have some good ideas too.
I'd like to see a turbo under that hood, that would be pretty sweet! |
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| Markgase2000 |
| 10.036 @ 143.49! lol I dont want that kinda power lol but I like the tuning idea behind the turbos. Cool link mwdguy thanks :) |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by qualthar
Good luck with the project Mark, at least you're researching all your options before making any bad choices :p
mwdguy I didn't mean to sound arrogant, but you know how some people love flashing their elitist opinions around here :lol: Sounds like you have some good ideas too.
I'd like to see a turbo under that hood, that would be pretty sweet!
You were just backin up a bro lol thanks for looking out for me tho :thumbup: nice to know some fellas care. |
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| Supra_devil |
mark, if you need some fab work done, i have autocad and a friend that works at a laser cutting shop, i also have a good welder.
How well would a northstar fit in your car :) they put em in fieros so it should fit in your car, and it was used FWD too. |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by Supra_devil
mark, if you need some fab work done, i have autocad and a friend that works at a laser cutting shop, i also have a good welder.
How well would a northstar fit in your car :) they put em in fieros so it should fit in your car, and it was used FWD too.
Another good idea thanks. Ill keep in mind the offer aswell.
V8 in a lil sedan wow! |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by qualthar
Good luck with the project Mark, at least you're researching all your options before making any bad choices :p
I'd like to see a turbo under that hood, that would be pretty sweet!
4 years I got a book of options I been through already.
Wet and Dry Nitrous kits have been used alot on these LA1's and they have superchargers available for them aswell. Turbo kits are starting to pop up for them but the prices are retarded! They use half the exhaust manifold from the front manifold and generate 7-8 lbs boost , but I know nothing of turbos to be honest well not nothing just nothing hands on.
I think its gonna be a turbo project one of these days.
Cheap turbos out there say one from a lebarron would work? |
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| Supra_devil |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
They use half the exhaust manifold from the front manifold and generate 7-8 lbs boost , but I know nothing of turbos to be honest well not nothing just nothing hands on.
I think its gonna be a turbo project one of these days.
Cheap turbos out there say one from a lebarron would work?
My friend has been considering turboing his corsica on and off for a while, all he was gonna do was cap the stock DP, put a flange on the mid pipe (front bank to rear) and put the turbo there, pretty simple. The lebarons used either the garrett/airesearch unit, basically a T3, or the a mitsubishi unit, the mitsu unit sucks ass, too small.
I would honestly go with a new ball bearing turbo, friend put it one on his Celica GTS, an old one, same body style as my supra, with a custom tubular exhaust manifold, it is sweet. Lag is none existant and lots of power. |
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| Markgase2000 |
| Lotsa money too huh? Im looking to perhaps rebuild a used turbo :dunno: something to fiddle around with. I think Im in good hands here lots of good advice and knowledge kickin about. |
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| Nightstalker |
I have said this before, I will likley say it many times again. GET SOMETHING WITH PROPER TUNER SUPPORT FOR YOUR PROJECT. ok Mark ? ;)
As for the getto turbo idea. I am all for that, low boost and use a rising rate fuel regulator. All though, I am not so sure about the way that your car calculates a/f it might not really like the whole forced induction thing. |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
I have said this before, I will likley say it many times again. GET SOMETHING WITH PROPER TUNER SUPPORT FOR YOUR PROJECT. ok Mark ? ;)
As for the getto turbo idea. I am all for that, low boost and use a rising rate fuel regulator. All though, I am not so sure about the way that your car calculates a/f it might not really like the whole forced induction thing.
Very true luckily things are popping up such as fuel pressure regulators , a/f ratio meters and Im still looking into how the computer can be tuned. Im looking into it forsure :thumbup:
Time is all I got Mike. Just another buddy lookin out for a bro ;)
Thanks Mike :) |
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| Nightstalker |
| Well when the time comes I am sure I can help you with getting a manifold built for the turbo. for super duper cheap. :cool: |
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| dc2696 |
| Mark are you dead set on building up the GA? maybe selling that and picking up a gtp might be a better idea, if not then i'd say drop the gtp engine in but keep it supercharged.:) |
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| beatshack |
| i've never seen a turbo GASE in the city.. DO IT!!! the only crappy part is all the supporting mods you'll need.. (fuel pump, injectors, possibly fuel pressure regulator, some sort of engine management for it) etc |
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| Supra_devil |
| not all cars need lots of supporting mods. Mines a pump, and an rrfpr, will be good for up to 12 psi. |
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| Nightstalker |
| It is nice to have a tuning base of people that have all ready tried things though so that you know what to expect and what works best. Its something that seems to be completely lacking for that car. Personally I think the biggest problem is likley going to be tuning. Unless you wana throw out the cash for something like the AEM EMS or something like that. |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by beatshack
i've never seen a turbo GASE in the city.. DO IT!!! the only crappy part is all the supporting mods you'll need.. (fuel pump, injectors, possibly fuel pressure regulator, some sort of engine management for it) etc
that just screams money pit...and what would the benefit be? how much boost do u think that engine could take, not enough imo. |
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| beatshack |
| on the 9.5:1 compression probably no more than 7 pounds semi-reliably... however there is always the option to buy low compression pistons and/or a thicker head gasket. |
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| Markgase2000 |
Actually people at tracks with aftermarket superchargers are boosting them to 7-9 lbs. They also say as a daily driver with that kind of boost it holds stupendously well and durable too.
Now the 3.8 sc is the best option I would have the first time I looked into it was 3 years ago and there was only a handfull of guys who ever did it. Now there popping up everywheres like privately owned Liquor stores lol (exaggereation)
Turbo would be neat , V8 would be neat , V8 rwd conversion would be neat but these are not good for my level of abillity.
I have tec support behind me and I have 780 support this is golden to me. :thumbup: |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by dc2696
Mark are you dead set on building up the GA? maybe selling that and picking up a gtp might be a better idea, if not then i'd say drop the gtp engine in but keep it supercharged.:)
This was the best question asked of me LMAO! No...... Im not dead set on building up the GA but Im gonna do it anyway. Its been a experimental project from the start and will be till I decide to blow it up. Its fun fun like you sport compact guys have with your cars , fun like the autox guys have with theres fun like dirt racer guys have too , its just not a "sporty or super fast car" like some of your guys cars. The fact is its fun and its a car I have luckily and its better than nothing. But no Im not dead set on building it up and thinking it is gonna own every car on the road lol Im realistic.
Good damn question , loooong stupid answer lol but since I thought of it I must post it thats just me :) |
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| ae1969 |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
............... and I have 780 support this is golden to me. :thumbup:
If you are hoping for technical expertise from 780............ you better save the money for a bus pass.
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by ae1969
If you are hoping for technical expertise from 780............ you better save the money for a bus pass. :thumbup:
thanks for the new sig lol |
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| Markgase2000 |
| HEY! You call your self a 780 Tuner member? LMAO funny guy :thumbup: :lol: |
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| Nightstalker |
| Mark, you should get a Compression/Leakdown test done on it. Don't boost it if you have more then 8% leak. |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
Mark, you should get a Compression/Leakdown test done on it. Don't boost it if you have more then 8% leak.
Good ol compression test huh?
Not a bad idea I mean I had leaks before 2 intake leaks one was a poor factory gasket the 2nd was cus I jimmied the old gasket like a retard.
Its been 7,000kms since I done one guess it cant hurt to check again. Last time I checked was in spring I think and it was bingo bango did pressure test on the coolent system not a leak Id know if it were pissing into the intakes cus I will never forget the smell. Every oil change I capture the oil and examine it for milk been good for awhile. Ill ask Louise at work to do one tommorow only takes 20 minutes when he does it for me. Im not gonna boost the grand am Im gonna buy a 3.8 sc engine for it its prolly the cheapest and safest route. Still a turbo would be hella cool way to learn about them. I always learn quick when its hands on and on my own machine.
Im suprised nobody asked me what my goals are with speed and acceleration! I would like to achieve mid 14's to mid 13's Im not looking to make a monster but if its faster cool :thumbup: . I figure as it sits now realistically Id be in the super low 16's to maybe high 15's with the la1. Im prolly sitting around 7's second 0-60 if Im lucky , 5 seconds would be nice but not realistic with this engine without boost. I think a gtp engine would be putting me close to that.
I dunno its all in my head right now when I actually do something instead of posting "I wish this and I wish that" Im gonna have to look into $$ and what I can find for a engine. Got one engine lined up sounds decent gotta check it out tho. Should I take pics of the donor engine and see what you fellas think? |
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| Nightstalker |
| I have been involved with a couple home made honda kits. Most of the civics went from mid 17s to mid 15, or even mid 14s. |
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| Markgase2000 |
| What do you figure your civic would run Mike? I know its na but its pretty damn quick! |
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| dc2696 |
| so 3.8 sc is it then eh? right on! that'll put u in the low 14's for sure, one more question though, is this car ur daily driver or do have an alternate way of getting around while your car in the shop? if you do perfect, that should be a fun car when you get it done:thumbup: |
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| Nightstalker |
| With the new mods the car should maybe run a 14 flat, or really high 13. We will see come spring time what I can do. |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by dc2696
so 3.8 sc is it then eh? right on! that'll put u in the low 14's for sure, one more question though, is this car ur daily driver or do have an alternate way of getting around while your car in the shop? if you do perfect, that should be a fun car when you get it done:thumbup:
Thanks man. Yes I got another car , the GA has not been my daily driver for over a year now I drive my tempo of doom. I got troubles tho I was sent home today , got mad they didnt pay me but they paid everybody else and they wont pay me today at all :mad: really shit in my cornflakes I tell you! Gotta love monopoly employers that only think of themselves first.
Fuck I could KILL! Just ranting..... |
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| Nightstalker |
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For some reason, this thead makes me think of a rally driver that just drove off a cliff because the guy with the directions totally just told him to go the wrong way. |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
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For some reason, this thead makes me think of a rally driver that just drove off a cliff because the guy with the directions totally just told him to go the wrong way.
Ummmmm ok I dont get it? Am I the idiot with the directions?
hahaha
Why are you home Mike? |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
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For some reason, this thead makes me think of a rally driver that just drove off a cliff because the guy with the directions totally just told him to go the wrong way.
uhmmm like this u mean:D http://www.wimp.com/viper/ lol I haveno clue what your post meant so...lol |
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| Markgase2000 |
| The narrator sounds like the Crockidile hunter "Now Im gonna sneak up on the king crock and jam my finger in his ass. Hes really pissed off now!" lol |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
The narrator sounds like the Crockidile hunter "Now Im gonna sneak up on the king crock and jam my finger in his ass. Hes really pissed off now!" lol
haha tell me about it eh:lol: |
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| Nightstalker |
| I'm not, I am on the computer at work. :D And yes. :thumbup: |
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| Billy |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
I'm not, I am on the computer at work. :D And yes. :thumbup:
Lazy fucker. Get back to work! I don't care if management has gone home.....:p |
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| Nightstalker |
| Ha ha ha, you must be working hard Geoff. Your post count is way down on our board. |
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| Billy |
| Yeah. Managements in a meeting right now, but I'm busy as hell today and the last while. Everybody is getting ready for the end of paving season. |
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| Markgase2000 |
| Shhhhhh were jackin Marks thread teehee :lol: hope buhbuh dont look in here! teh teh lets see how long we can do it for ;) shhhhhhh |
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| Nightstalker |
| You started it :) |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
I'm not, I am on the computer at work. :D And yes. :thumbup:
Wow I wish I had a job that I could pound pooch and play on here all day :( lucky bastards!
So Mike tell me , how did you come up with the analogy ,--sp?
mih dont care , Im a goin off a cliff? I know Im a idiot but you were pretty vague lol ;) |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
You started it :)
shhhhh! Yup :) |
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