| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| Ok I have a question on what's legal/illegal to carry both on a persons and in your car. Is it illegal to carry a blade/stabbing-type weapon over 6" in your car? Is it any more legal if it's plainly visible? How about blunt weapons, batons, extendale batons, bats... etc.? What about pellet guns/airsoft guns? And finally what about a firearm? Are there exceptions, grey areas, and what's legal/illegal of these to carry on a person? |
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| MightyMidget |
seeing as I used to deal with this all the time....I won't answer the questions because I don't think you would like it. Maybe Jim could field this one.
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| MightyMidget |
ehh what the hell....
ok bats, batons, knives...are FINE to carry in your car...save that they are being used NOT as weapons but For their intended purposes. If you get pulled over and say "ossifer they there fur my protection" you MAY be looking at some weapons charges. you are legally allowed to carry knives on your person as well...if you are NOT having them there for your protection or as a weapon. Other as you said "stabbing type" weapons would not be a great idea because well those are prohibited and there comes some more weapons charges. and a face full of glock or s&w.
In regards to the guns....well lets just say that even if they are pellet or airsoft guns it would be in your BEST interests to transport them as much like a firearm as possible.
actual firearms.....rifle or shotgun-- in hard or soft case with minimum trigger lock on. better to have a hard locked case with trigger lock as well.
pistols- authorization to transport permit, Hard LOCKABLE case with trigger lock on the firearm. oh ya and make sure they are all as far away from the driver as possible(see trunk).....MAKE SURE THEY ARE REGISTERED TOO.
AND YOU CAN NOT 110% carry a firearm on your person unless you are a peace officer or such that your job (see armoured car guard) says that you are allowed to.
In conclusion I would just suggest that all you think back to the "COP HAD HIS GUN IN MY FACE" and similar stories as a REMINDER not to lie or try to hide when you do have "potential" weapons or objects as you described.....Cops take things like that VERY VERY seriously.
and done
If I do not have the correct information please post that right stuff. I was just going off memory and it is a bit cloudy as I have now used it in a while.
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| Nightstalker |
| I have a couple things that are illegal to carry that I do just because I feel safer with them, the major one being a colapable batton.. it looks like a tube about the size of a tolet paper roll when its small... and iis about a meter long when its expanded.. you can break bone with the flick of a rist.. Lucy lue (sp) uses 2 of them in the movie "Balistic" againt a small group of swat guys.. the only thing that is kinda crappy about them is you have to hit them against someting hard to get it to open.. I don't carry it all the time.. just when I am somewhere that I might feel unsafe.. |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Heheh, yeah, me too, You should carry it in on of those ballistic nylon pouches on your belt, I think it would be safe then.
Friction lock batons are pretty cool, but you should look at the Autolock baton. You flick it open with your wrist, but there is a button ont he bottom of the handle to release the lock. I'm looking at retiring my frictionlock and buying one of these:
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| where can I get one of those? I got my friction lock..........some place hehe I want some steel asps though... I'm talking like a metre long... not mine which is like 18" |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
If we hook-up I think I can get us all a awesome deal from a local vendor that stocks them...
I'll have to contact them on Tuesday, seeing as they are not open. |
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| MightyMidget |
Carrying ASP batons or other colapsable batons is a VERY VERY bad idea. They are not illegal to own BUT if a cop stops you and you have one (especially on your person) you could be charged with carrying/posession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose, carrying a consealed weapon etc. VERY BAD idea...oh ya it will be taken away as well.
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| Nightstalker |
| ya well... I would have it in my jacket 99% of the time.. it would take a hour to prpperly search my forces parka =) |
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| Kato |
You guys should become cooks. I carry around a 10" chef's knife, a 12" Chef's knife, several different paring knives, a 14" carving knife, carving fork, a 15" Simitar, several 8" sharp as a razor knives and a big ass wooden spoon to and from work everyday. I do have them in a tool box with a lock on it though, but man, if someone really wanted to mess with me...I'd just pull out the nastiest looking one and say "f*ck off, it's late, I just got off work, I just served 100+ dinners in an hour and I'm damn cranky!"
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| Loose |
| Why do you guys need weapons? Do you live in the hood, or always start shit with people? |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
I have a vested interest in my safety and of those around me.
When threatened I will respond in kind. |
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| Loose |
Maybe I've been living in a box, but the only times I ever felt threatened for safety were caused by me being a punk!
Have you ever needed a weapon, and if so, could you have handled the situation in a fashion where you wouldn't have needed it? |
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| matrix_xrs |
I just grab them and twist them up like a pritzle.
Is that legal?
Just kidding , I really through them in the trunk of my car with a rag covered in gas and go off roading for a hour or two.
They learn their lesson and and I make them clean the puke out of my trunk with bleach and send them on their marry way.
I have never had anyone come back for seconds! |
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| 1mns13 |
| Obviously Loose has lived in the hood, or walked through it. You have made the right choice. It is safer outside of it. and you probably have a higher opinion of natives than those who have live/d in the hood. and BTE sentiments are echoed here as well. The police are not everywhere all the time, they need coffee breaks too. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| nah loose i'm like a shit magnet.... i just attract shit apparently, I also don't take shit no more.. I walk by and someone calls me a fat ass I'll lip em off and ppl always like takin on the big guy |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
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Originally posted by Loose@Feb 17 2003, 08:58 AM
Maybe I've been living in a box, but the only times I ever felt threatened for safety were caused by me being a punk!
Have you ever needed_ a weapon, and if so, could you have handled the situation in a fashion where you wouldn't have needed it?
Then why the need for Insurance of any kind?
Why the need for Police?
Why the need for the Military?.
Why the need for any sort of protection or enforcement?
The answer to this ongoing question is "Just in case"
Sometimes, you are not given an option to "walk away" and it is nice to have "options" whenever one feels one life is threatened.
Things can escalate on the street faster than one has a chance to take a breath or heck, ANYWHERE.
Especially when the opposing forces are large in number.
Perhaps I missed my true calling in life, but I feel compelled to protect the ones I love, my family, my friends should they ever feel like they are in danger.
I was terrified to sleep during the whole fiasco when that gang was breaking into homes during the night and assaulting the homeowners in the northern area.
I slept with a few friends close by every night.
I was extremely relieved when they were finally captured.
I hope I never have to use any weapon on anyone, but I will if I have to. |
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| Loose |
Fair enough.
I just think that in general, carrying a weapon on the street will cause more problems than not carrying one (meaning trouble with cops, and causing bad situations to escalate).
We have police so the public isn't forced to arm themselves to the hilt in the interest of personal safety. I used to work with a guy who said "The world would be a safer place if everyone was packing, cause no one would start shit with no one". I disagree. He's in jail now BTW :)
I can understand your fear regarding the home invasions, it's fine to keep the weapons in the home, but don't be dragging them on street. |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Of course, of course, common sense always prevails and a cool head will keep you out of trouble. B)
You will not see me packing two Cold Steel Tomahawks on the street that's for sure. I don't make a big secret about carrying stuff and people don't usually make a big issue out of it unless I would take my jacket off and several metal batons would fall out... but I am by no means armed "to the hilt" that would be foolish :)
The blade is the last resort and I have a few "control" related items at my disposal before turning to deadly force.
I used to carry one a 1.5" push dagger on my belt 'till I realized that it was illegal to carry one... woops.
I carry mostly different forms of a stick. Innoccent looking and non-threatening to look at.
Of course even a skilled martial artist could injure someone with a pen :) |
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| dogstar |
carrying a tool like a knife is just common sense. i answer that question every day, ill pull my knife out and slice open a box or open a letter and some silly person will ask "why do you carry a knife?"
well, i guess im the fool for opening a box with a knife when i could pick and tear at it for half an hour with my bare hands...
i usually just give them a dirty look and say "to cut things" in the most sarcastic tone possible.
the same argument extends to weapons, i carry incase i need to defend.
yes, i have used a "weapon" several times, all but one occasion when i was working security.
im not a huge guy (5'10 and 170) and people dont percieve me as a threat when im working security, so often times when your dealing with a substance abuser, they tend to assume i wont attempt to detain or control them.
out comes the baton or mace or taser and an arm bar or spraying or shocking later, they become really cooperative.
the one occasion outside of work was about a year ago when i was assaulted by four or five guys in beverly.
two jumped me from behind and tried to grab my arms, but i was fortunate to be able to reach for my blade (6" cold steel recon tanto :)) and draw it before they restrained my arm.
they got really worried at the site of a blade like that, and ive never seen them again, so maybe that was "using a weapon" but im quite convinced it saved me an asskicking.
and in case you were wondering what i was doing? i was waiting at the bus stop holding two dvds, which im guessing they wanted.
they were drunk, i was not, and therefore i must have looked like an easy target. |
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| BlueBlur |
quote:
Dogstar:
i usually just give them a dirty look and say "to cut things" in the most sarcastic tone possible.
I get the same thing. Opening the folder with one hand while holding a box...
I usually say.. 'crowd control'.... that gets 'em every time. hhehehe |
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| Nightstalker |
Personally I have found that 99% of rent a cops are slow and weak.. Plus you can stair down 90+ present of them.. If you a fat ass you should not be a security guard because people can outrun you. If you are a don't know what to do when someone actually confronts you its a bad idea.. I don't really look it but I wiegh 220... and even though I have gained a bit since I am not working anymore.. a large part of that is still mustel..
I like to follow the SAS (Special Air Service) way of working. They are tought that they should never allow the enemy to see that they have a weapon unless they are going to use it. But once you have passed the point were you have produced a weapon you should use it to the maximum of its potential. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| against 5 guys I don't think if you have some dinky knife matters and if you ever pull something on me use it and use it quick... I beat the shit out of a guy with the baseball bat he threatned to hit me with back in grade 8. I may look a lil slow at 6'0" and near 300 lbs. but i can hold my own and all things considering, I still get shit from people. I carry shit cause I've had lots of shit happened.... been bootfucked by a few guys back in grade 10.. in grade 11 people took baseball bats and golf clubs to me and my jaguar in a parking lot and this past fall I had a guy use my head as a drum and his tire iron as a stick to beat on my head.... I actually used to carry a throwing hatchet but then I thought in that situation where I did get jumped I would've had to use the axe and that's murder...... I personally am looking for an air taser, not deadly, concealable and will put that person down when they try something... cops do fuck all when it comes to that sort of shit UNLESS you go to a REAL cop like a detective.. someone who isn't just there for a power trip. When that happened to me the cops said I'd have to find out the name of the guy, first and last name well excuse me rookie but what the fuck are you here for? The detective took the description, had a pic drawn up I said yup and they then took his first name and based on the area he lives and schools he could've went to did a yearbook search based on his age and came up with him no problem. Ask blueblur if I look like one with whom to fuck. |
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| Loose |
Ha ha ha. This shit is getting funny! Tell us more stories.
Chris <---158lb weakling |
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| BlueBlur |
hehehe...
Matt, you just look like someone to f#ck with.. or...
you just bring it on yourself :) hehehe
Although I disagree with the dinky knife against 5 guys part. With the proper training you should be able to disable 2 guys almost immediately and the rest of them at your "leisure".
caveat1: That they aren't trained and know how to attack
caveat2: they don't have weapons
I suscribe to the "if you pull it you must use it" philosophy...
If it gets to the point that I'm pulling my blade for defense, someone's getting hurt. |
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| RezaREX |
| Haha SlowAzz you look just like every other guy I've laid a beating on who tried to mess with me :thefinger: |
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| Inzane |
Ok, since we're talking about self defence now for some reason, instead of car-related law enforcement questions... :huh:
On a lighter note:
What's the deal with pepper spray? Is it legal to buy and pocess for the purpose of protecting from wild animals and vicious dogs when out walking your dog? (I ask because I became a first-time puppy owner recently) |
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| RezaREX |
| Haha I've known SlowAzz for about 13 years of my 18 living. Don't take what I said about him as anything more than revenge for calling me "miniscule" when in reality I've heard he's more of the tweezer and magnifying glass type. |
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by Inzane@Feb 18 2003, 10:26 PM
What's the deal with pepper spray? Is it legal to buy and pocess for the purpose of protecting from wild animals and vicious dogs when out walking your dog?
The deal w/ pepper spray is it is legal to purchase / possess as long as the intended use is for protection against animals; hence, dog spray / bear spray. If it is sold w/ any kind of inference towards protection from humans then it is deemed a prohibited weapon under the Criminal Code & it's related Regulations. If an individual purchases the spray for animal protection but uses it against human beings it is still deemed a prohibited weapon ... will you be charged though - very dependant on the situation. This is one of those questions where I cannot give an opinion because I do not want to find out later that someone used the spray & then said "the cop (albertarc) said I could"!!
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| MightyMidget |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane@Feb 18 2003, 10:26 PM
Ok, since we're talking about self defence now for some reason, instead of car-related law enforcement questions... :huh:
On a lighter note:
What's the deal with pepper spray? Is it legal to buy and pocess for the purpose of protecting from wild animals and vicious dogs when out walking your dog? (I ask because I became a first-time puppy owner recently)
OK....pepper spary/dog/bear spray are NOT illegal to possess for its intended purpose.....keeping away dogs/bear that ATTACK. Police OC (oleoresin capsasin (sp)) spray is a PRONIBITED weapon and if caught with it you may be charged with several weapons charges....same goes for if you use bear/dog spray as a weapon. It is LEGAL to use on dogs/bears BUT ILLEGAL to use on people.
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| BlueTurboEGG |
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Originally posted by BlueBlur@Feb 18 2003, 01:42 PM
hehehe...
Matt, you just look like someone to f#ck with.. or...
you just bring it on yourself :) hehehe
Although I disagree with the dinky knife against 5 guys part. With the proper training you should be able to disable 2 guys almost immediately and the rest of them at your "leisure".
caveat1: That they aren't trained and know how to attack
caveat2: they don't have weapons
I suscribe to the "if you pull it you must use it" philosophy...
If it gets to the point that I'm pulling my blade for defense, someone's getting hurt.
Yes, this is very true.
A knife can do severe damage with little effort provided the edge is well maintained.
It doesn't take much to cut someone with a maintained knife.
Against 5 guys the quickest way to get them to disperse is to pick one and "make an example of him" you can psychologically undermine a gang of unsavory types and shatter the mob mentality by proving you have a weapon and the ability to use it with considerable skill.
Although I do not know how this would affect the outcome if it ever came to court.
btw. I'm looking to take some classes from this man: http://www.oliversalvador.com/SpecialTrain...ml#Anchor-49575 |
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| Nightstalker |
| I think tazers are actually illeagal here in canada. And the common idea that tazers are a "Safe" way of dealing with a problem is actually not true. Tazers can be fatal if the person has any heart problems. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| oh are they ever but not in montana and that's a 9 hr. drive down Hwy 2 in the Porsche :D And Reza the only thing you beat is your meat cause your "unique 18 headlight lamp" car can't get any girls and neither can your short german ass :thefinger: |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by albertarc@Feb 19 2003, 06:15 AM
The deal w/ pepper spray is it is legal to purchase / possess as long as the intended use is for protection against animals; hence, dog spray / bear spray. If it is sold w/ any kind of inference towards protection from humans then it is deemed a prohibited weapon under the Criminal Code & it's related Regulations. If an individual purchases the spray for animal protection but uses it against human beings it is still deemed a prohibited weapon ... will you be charged though - very dependant on the situation. This is one of those questions where I cannot give an opinion because I do not want to find out later that someone used the spray & then said "the cop (albertarc) said I could"!!
Jimbo :ph34r:
Thanks for the response Jimbo.
As far as protection from humans, if by chance my girlfriend was out walking our dog by herself and ran into an unfortunate encounter with a person(s) and was forced to use pepper spray I would hope the police would make an appropriate accessment of that situation. |
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| Nightstalker |
| Usually the police do a pretty good job, a couple buddies of mine got attacked by guys with baseball bats.. but they proceded to take the bats away and beet the living shit out of the origional guys.. the cops came.. asked what happened.. said good job guys, in all this confusion I didn't see you leave wink wink.. guys that started it went to jail. |
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| BlueBlur |
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violence begets violence
Obviously you've never run out of cheeks... :)
It's all a level of degree.
Where is your line? How far would you go to protect yourself or your family?
Most people don't carry weapons around with them.. but if you travel through dodgy places, chances are just having something, no matter how small it is, will give you the confidence to continue your travels.
This is where training comes into play. The better trained you are, the less likely you will have to resort to violence...
quite the paradox... train to defend, so I'll never have to use it. |
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| 1mns13 |
| Andy, Oliver is a cool guy. I have known him for about 10 years. He is an excellent teacher. |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Blurblur: that is sooo true :)
1mns13, hey man, hook a bruthu up :) |
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| Almost |
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Originally posted by BlueBlur@Feb 19 2003, 02:01 PM
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violence begets violence
Obviously you've never run out of cheeks... :)
It's all a level of degree.
Where is your line? How far would you go to protect yourself or your family?
Most people don't carry weapons around with them.. but if you travel through dodgy places, chances are just having something, no matter how small it is, will give you the confidence to continue your travels.
This is where training comes into play. The better trained you are, the less likely you will have to resort to violence...
quite the paradox... train to defend, so I'll never have to use it.
I find my confidence in numbers; not large groups of people, but 4 years of crime studies, despite what you see on the news random violent attacks are incredibly rare.
We're not in the middle of a super violent society/crime wave, crime has been decreasing for many many years, the general feeling of the public is much different though...everyone's scared of what might be around the next corner...
If you're going to be a victim of a crime chances are you're going to know the person, I can't think of anyone I know, I want to stab.
"if everyone was packing heat the world would be a safer place" -It'd be even safer if no one was packing. |
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| Loose |
Hey Andy, I think I saw you at the meeting reaching into your pocket once! That scared the hell out of me. I thought you were getting mad and were going to shank someone! Turns out you were just scatching your balls :P
Just having you in the meeting made me fear for my safety. That's not fair! By carrying weapons you feel safer, but make us feel in danger. Ha ha :D |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
I see your point, we do not see violence at every turn, but I'm willing to bet there is more violent encounters than people report.
That whole home invasion thing with that native gang on the north really put things into perspective for me.
I've often believed in being ready is more than enough. Again, if this was not a dangerous world, why would we need cops and the military?.
Just the way I feel. Just in case. |
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| Loose |
You got it backwards man... the world is safe BECAUSE we have the police and military.
OK, the dead horse has officially been kicked more "deader" by me, I'm gonna stop. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| all my shit happened to me for reason, wrong place/wrong time w/wrong people, hung with the wrong crowd, wouldn't back down I knew the person that did it everyime but the bootfucking was at school during lunch, the jag and I gettin messed up at wolf willow community hall and the 3rd time was at 172 st. and 69 ave. by the pizza hut and mac's and movie box there... everytime though I never instigated it and the cops did fuck all.. the jag put me out 3 grand to fix it up, a night in the hospital and to this day i'm still paranoid and won't let anyone walk behind me even in a mall, i won't go to a public place like a bar or food court and i walk around with a baton, 2 knives and sometimes my airsoft that I used to have.. that's how paranoid these attacks have left me.. the 3rd one left me out 600 bucks and that was 2 weeks before christmas :tear: so if you think it's wrong for me to carry weapons I think otherwise.. if it was legal to carry a firearm I would and I would've used it in all 3 cases...... death doesn't scare me but people who kill without remorse or emotion do... |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
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Originally posted by Loose@Feb 20 2003, 10:48 AM
You got it backwards man... the world is safe BECAUSE we have the police and military.
OK, the dead horse has officially been kicked more "deader" by me, I'm gonna stop.
The reason why the world is safe because of the police and military is because they are equipped to handle violent offenders.
They are out there make no mistake (the baddies that is).
They train hard, silently they toil, praying they never have to use their skills, but just in case, when that day happens they will be ready.
I find nothing wrong with being "ready" I try to be open about my "carry options" nothing illegal of course, but I was hoping that by not dodging the questions people wouldn't be as close minded or afraid.
Perhaps I've been going about it the wrong way.
I can't change the way I feel or the image that seemingly has been burned into everyones heads regarding their perception of my attitude, but rest assured, unless you're looking for trouble, you won't get it from me.
I apologise 100x over if I ever make anyone feel uncomfortable, that is not my intention. |
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| Loose |
| No worries man, I was joking about being scared of you :) |
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| BlueBlur |
quote:
We're not in the middle of a super violent society/crime wave, crime has been decreasing for many many years...
If you're going to be a victim of a crime chances are you're going to know the person...
-It'd be even safer if no one was packing...
I agree that incidences of violent crime are dropping. But unless you are an extremely strong person, just one act of violence toward you or your family will change your philosophy.
look at SAP911T. I'm sure he started out ok, now he carries a baton, knives, plus whatever else...
He's paranoid and wary, because of what's happened to him.
Is his paranoia warranted?... probably
Is it necessary to carry so much stuff?.. maybe not.. but it makes him feel better
If something like this happens again, and he's carrying, will he use it?... maybe.. or he could just as easy run away screaming like a litte girl, what's skinned her knee :D (sorry matt...heheh)
As long as there are people out there wanting what you have, and not willing to work as hard as you do for it; we'll need the societal enforcement (police, military, etc.)
I agree with BlueTurtle... errr... Turbo...Blueturboegg..
being "ready" doesn't mean you will resort to violence, or will be quick to use a weapon. You know the damage you/it can do and chances are, will be reluctant to use that level of force on anyone.
Maybe the topic of this thread, should be: "WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO / OR COMFORTABLE CARRYING AND IS IT LEGAL?"
It's a very emotional subject, and everyone's comfort level is different.
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I can totally understand why someone would carry weapons, and I can't blame them or think of them as a bad person for doing it.
Every time I hear about one of those rare horrific crimes, I question my peaceful ideals, It's only happened a handful of times in North America, but if my girlfriend was being raped while I had to watch I'd be wishing for a big weapon too.
I'd just like to see a world where it wasn't necessary, It'll never happen, but I figure I'll do my little part and maybe everyone else will do a little (just down grade the knife from 5" to 4"....if everyone did it it'd be a start :) |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Ah, the old Utopia scheme...
If that were to exist, I sure as hell wouldn't have anything to do...
Would this Utopia even have Mil-sim games?, etc.
As for the knife thingy, I already carry a 4", nothing more... |
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Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Feb 20 2003, 05:04 PM
Ah, the old Utopia scheme...
I'll have my Utopia one day damn-it...
Their will be no such thing as the friend Zone....in fact the phrase "your great and all but I just don't think of you that way" won't even exist.
Toplessness will be as common as wearing shoes outdoors.
A beer gut will turn women on, even more than a six pack does in our world.
Which will be good for the 200 men on the planet, whom the 2.5 billion women are all competing for....
And their will be no weapons or violence, as all conflict will be solved with all nude wrestling or a marathon blowjob competition, with strict point scoring.
Until then, I'll wander the Earth defenseless and you're more than welcome to carry whatever weapons you like, as long as you promise to vote for me and my utopia when I run for office. |
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| dogstar |
ill vote for ya, so long as im one of the 200 :D
as far as this quote/question: "WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO / OR COMFORTABLE CARRYING AND IS IT LEGAL?"
depending which job i was working, i used to carry a pistol, two cans of pepper spray, a taser, baton, couple knives, lead lined gloves (gotta love the enforcers), a large maglite, and a couple other things.
working security for almost 3 years, i only had about 20 violent incidents, and about half of those were contained without injury, the other half was just bumps and bruises.
pretty good stats i say, and im glad i never had to use a 'weapon' on anyone, because it was stated above, i know exactly what they will do to a person, and id have a hard time justifying that unless lives were in danger or something horrible was happening.
hell, i even tasered myself, and thats why i didnt mind using it on people who needed to be restrained, because i knew what the effects were, and they arent all that bad, if you dont mind twitching on the floor and drooling a lot :wacko:
now, i carry less than 3 knives, usually only one, and its not even something id pull in a fight as its kinda dull and not really a tactical item, more of a utility tool.
i do wear size 13 steel toes and pack a mean kick, so if worst comes to worst i can always get those going for me, but just like when i was working security, i prefer to talk people into bordom... i mean reason ;) |
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| BlueBlur |
me me me me...
I'll vote for ya...
This Utopia you speak of.... it sounds.... interesting...
I volunteer to be the quality control for the BJ girls.. and the wrestling girls
after all you don't want a bad BJ...
B)
I'll be the gatekeeper..
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| midnite |
i was once stopped by a police officer, and while he was searching the car he found my co2 pistol in my backpack. there wasn't any co2 cartridge in it, but it was on the back seat within reach of myself when driving.
he took it out of my bag, i told him it wasn't loaded, and he attempted to fire it at the ground then put it back in my bag for me.
he warned me that if i pointed it at anyone i could be charged with a real handgun offence, but there was nothing wrong with me having it in my car.
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Originally posted by inglewood@Feb 23 2003, 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by Loose@Feb 20 2003, 11:48 AM
You got it backwards man... the world is safe BECAUSE we have the police and military.
OK, the dead horse has officially been kicked more "deader" by me, I'm gonna stop.
I was thinking about this very quote of yours, Loose, if in fact the world is so much of a safer place, why is it that cops show up AFTER an incident has already happened. If they were there to stop incidents from happening, then yes there would be no need to carry weaponry of any kind. I personally don't carry any weapons except for a small swiss army knife cuz it's handy to have for fixing things and what not. But back to the original topic at hand, if you want to discuss the purpose of a police force, then you might start talking of anarchy where some people feel there is no need for government or anarchy at all. But that's political science drama, and I'm an engineering student, so I'm not dicussing that.
Anyways, just thought I'd share my thoughts.
wait a minute that horse is still alive....I'm gonna kick that thing some more...Stay down...damn it..
Police aren't around to stop crime, (it's what people think, and what police would like to believe, but it's not what the endless stream of studies say)
80% of their time is spent doing un-crime-related duties.
I still like the idea of mutual destruction though...nobody shoots a missle at anybody else cause they know they'll get a missle right back at them....
It's not a real great way to have peace, (like standing in a circle of guys with their guns drawn waiting for someone to shoot), but it's peace just the same... |
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| adrenaline |
| I second that... this is ALBERTA - canada. Not a detroit ghetto. Weapons will only get you into more trouble. |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
That depends on how you "utilize them"
If you grab your bolo at the slightest dirty look and start hacking away then you deserve to be run down by the Poe-leese and beaten.
I'm not condoning violence, but I'm saying that if you were prepared to repel a deadly attack I'd feel better.
That is not to say I go looking for trouble, I'd like to think I lead a rather normal life and I do not look forward to any dangerous encounters, but I believe in being ready.
Sure, I may do all this preparing for nothing, but I hope that's all it may turn out to be, nothing.
Just in case. |
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| BlueBlur |
That's right...
keep your umbrella handy......
.. no rain in sight.
heheh
B) |
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Originally posted by BlueBlur@Feb 24 2003, 10:41 AM
That's right...
keep your umbrella handy......
.. no rain in sight.
heheh
B)
Umbrella Like sword in the Avengers?
or Umbrella like machine Gun/Shield in Batman?
Just want to know what my unarmed ass has to run from.....I can start practicing my DC Sniper Zigzag jog again..... :rolleyes: |
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| specv |
Carrying a weapon is a bad idea. It may work for you but there is always a situtation that you can't get out of. If you carry a weapon remember there is always someone tougher and if he gets a hold on your weapon well.........
One of my friends was being choked once in bar, a native gentlemen used a pool cue to wrap around his neck. My best friend (black belt jujitsu) used a grappling move to get the cue and pass me the drunk who I dragged outside.
He got me into a bad postion going out the door and managed to get loose.
Thankfully my buddy was behind me and had the cue in hand... thought I was watching a Bruce Lee movie. just an example.
If you want to be safe be cooperative with Cops and access your surrounding in order to avoid situtions. |
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| 1mns13 |
| So is preparing to be a victim. Training is essential. I believe that is the point you are trying to make. Which is why Oliver is in business. |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
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Originally posted by specv@Mar 15 2003, 08:52 PM
Carrying a weapon is a bad idea. It may work for you but there is always a situtation that you can't get out of. If you carry a weapon remember there is always someone tougher and if he gets a hold on your weapon well.........
One of my friends was being choked once in bar, a native gentlemen used a pool cue to wrap around his neck. My best friend (black belt jujitsu) used a grappling move to get the cue and pass me the drunk who I dragged outside.
He got me into a bad postion going out the door and managed to get loose.
Thankfully my buddy was behind me and had the cue in hand... thought I was watching a Bruce Lee movie. just an example.
If you want to be safe be cooperative with Cops and access your surrounding in order to avoid situtions.
One would say by being in a bar can be considered a bad asessment.
That's just me though :P
I would also like to know how your "friend" got into this situation in the first place, how he dragged you into it you say?... I would say a friend who puts you in a bad situation, is not a friend. That or he/she better offer up a real good explanation.
If you draw a weapon, ANY weapon, you'd better be damn sure you know how to use it properly, know atleast three disarms against it, and knowing your own limits.
Pressing down on someone with a pool cue is not a proper technique for stick fighting... |
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Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Mar 18 2003, 08:37 PM
Pressing down on someone with a pool cue is not a proper technique for stick fighting...
Wouldn't it just be better if you used it to play pool instead of beat people...... |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
| :lol: exactly! :D |
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| BlueBlur |
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"ass que".
baaaahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaah
...ass queue ...baahahahahahah
.. fear the ass queue
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| SuperJay |
| OK boys, just cuz your fat, doesn't mean your tough. Just means your slow, I know alot of little guys that could kick some real ass. Size in a fight doesn't mean shit! So if you think your tough cuz your a big guy, just be ready when some little focker comes and teaches you a lesson. There's a difference between being fat and being big. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| umm I'm fucking fast buddy, let's not degrade this thread with who thinks who is tough, big guys fall harder but like i've said before when my huge leg connects with your head say hello to a coma :thefinger: |
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Mar 22 2003, 06:31 PM
umm I'm fucking fast buddy, let's not degrade this thread with who thinks who is tough, big guys fall harder but like i've said before when my huge leg connects with your head say hello to a coma :thefinger:
Not if I smother you with my arm flap first!!!!!!!
Fat/big/small/scrawny....... nothing beats a man with a huge saggy skin flaps, one day I'll be just like a flying squirrel... |
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| inglewood |
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Originally posted by Almost@Mar 22 2003, 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Mar 22 2003, 06:31 PM
umm I'm fucking fast buddy, let's not degrade this thread with who thinks who is tough, big guys fall harder but like i've said before when my huge leg connects with your head say hello to a coma :thefinger:
Not if I smother you with my arm flap first!!!!!!!
Fat/big/small/scrawny....... nothing beats a man with a huge saggy skin flaps, one day I'll be just like a flying squirrel...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| Jesus that's disturbing Almost, I hope I don't run into you in a dark alley :fingersx: |
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| BlueBlur |
baaahahahah...arm flaps...aaahahahahahahh
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you can't hurt me..!!
my arm flaps are like a shield of steel!!..
(ps. a beer to the first person that gets that) |
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| curtis_rak |
My opinion is that unless you are looking for shit, you won't find it. And as for those random attacks where innocent people get beat up; they are extremely rare, especially in Edmonton.
To me carrying a weapon is retarded. I was at Cowboys last summer when that guy got stabbed and died. I was 2 feet from the two of them when they started fighting inside the bar. It should have started and ended as a fist fight, but the one cool guy had a knife and decided to use it. So instead of having bloody noses, one of them is six feet under and one is in jail. Congrats for being a weapon carrying pussy, you just fucked yourself and someone else.
One point that was made that I do agree with is how do you defend yourself against a group? Well, if this is a random attack; I don't know, maybe they deserve a shank. But, since its probably not unprovoked, depending on what you have done, maybe you deserve to get an ass kicking.
I think that if all of you tough guys would lose the knives, grab some balls, and take a self-defense class we would all be better off. |
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| i'm with inglewood.. I don't go to bars, pubs, clubs, anything.. maybe catch me at a restaurant or something but otherwise that's not my scene, best way to avoid trouble is to avoid the spots where it usually happens I don't see anything wrong with carrying something in your car.. when it coms to 4 on 1 then you will definately need something... lotta pricks out there that take shit to heart and got beef for no reason. :gay: |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Exactly, I get my friends to gether and go see a movie or something. of just hang out and chat at a restaraunt. People who frequent bars and stuff, it's out of control.
curtis_rak: I have been taking martial arts all of my life, and it would seem that you need to think about what you said.
Just because I carry something, doesn't mean I go around flailing it at the first provocation.
I can't speak for anyone else that carries, but I train with the hopes of never having to use it.
If I get into a fist fight, I'll keep it that way.
If it escalates in anyway where your life may feel threatened, the opposing team produces another weapon, or a mass of friends.
There are certain unwritten rules for carrying weapons, most "uneducated people" carry them for a sense of power and gives them the illusion of power.
Self defense is self defense.
Being stupid, is being stupid.
I carry things with the knowledge of defending myself, not the aggressor. |
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| curtis_rak |
BlueTurboEGG:
What I'm trying to say is, how many people that actually carry something abide by that "unwritten rule", my guess is that you are a part of the minority when it comes to that. |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Why Thank you :) No personal attack meant there.
It hink Knives should be like guns, you should recieve proper training on how to use it rather than treating it like a hammer like everyone always does.
There are soooo many ways of taking someone down with a knife that are NON-LETHAL, stabbing and cuts to the chest are extremely risky and you chance permanantly injuring the agressor.
Now I don't want to kill anyone, I just want him to back off and it is my hope that with training and training and MORE training, I'll have the judgement to respond in kind, defend myself within reason, and know when to stop.
We are humans, not animals. It surprises me just how often people forget that. |
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Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Apr 6 2003, 08:36 PM
We are humans, not animals. It surprises me just how often people forget that.
Speak for yourself, I'm still a flying armflap squirrel. |
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| AGAIN with the armflaps :D |
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| Perilous_Enterprises |
Just a minor resurection here...
I never read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has been covered...
Anyhoo, I used to have a 6inch Tanto that I"d carry around with me. It was alway's in my napsack, and I'd use it at work to slash tires after changeing them. We have a policy at work to destroy used tires, so incase someone was to steal them, they can't be used, obviously (saftey issue)... anyhoo..
I was searched on the street walkin home from the bar one night. The cop asked me what was in my bag, and I told him, "some books, a few pens and my knife." So he asked to see the knife. I showed it to him, and he asked me what I use it for. I told him, but he didn't believe me and gave me this big lecture on how street crime is on the rise, and how is he supposed to know that I"m not gonna go out and stab someone... He took my knife threatening to bust me, even tho I was nice to him. He asked what I had, and I told him. I didn't lie, and I was co-operative...
Now, I never got arrested or fined, but he told me that it was illegal to cary a military issue knife, even tho it was only 6inches... is this true??
And whats so wrong with having a good knife to slash used tires with at work?? I wasn't about to leave it at work cuz it cost me almost 150bux, so I kept it in my bag. And as far as I know, a concealed weapon is one that is both hidden on your person, and easily accessable. Where as, if my knife is sheathed, in my bag, that wouldn't make it concealed...
anyhoo, I'm babbleing... just pisses me off..
Bob |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| I think the fact that you were carrying it concealed was the problem. 6" is the point where a knife becomes illegal to carry 100% concealed... I've heard different stories on what's legal and what's not and I used to think that 5 15/16" was ok to carry concealed but recently I've been told that you can't carry any knife concealed. I've also been told though that you can walk around with a machete strapped to your leg but you had best have a good reason for it... same with those extendable batons. If you're walking into a bar with it you're obviously looking for trouble, a lot of places won't let you in with something like that strapped to your leg. Anyone care to correct me or back me up on this? |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Correct.
Anything over 4" is illegal.
Any knife that is carried MUST be visible either partially, or wholey via a pouch of some sort.
ANY sort of weapon must be visible, you can carry a machete on you hip legally, but I don't think the Police will let you walk on by without trying to figure out what you're upto. |
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| inglewood |
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Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Apr 15 2003, 01:57 PM
...but I don't think the Police will let you walk on by without trying to figure out what you're upto.
unless you tell them you're Paul Hogan and you're just hunting for something to eat. |
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| Casanova |
| I carry a flick baton because im afraid of AZN's. White cops understand when i explain this. |
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I carry a flick baton because im afraid of AZN's. White cops understand when i explain this.
:lol: I'm guessin your caucasian?
I tell em cause I've had my ass beat before and they were nowhere to be found, and it's my right to protect myself :D It's tough explaining why you have 6 bats in your trunk and 5 dudes in your car and you're cruisin slowly through a residential neighborhood though. Oh officer we were out playing baseball earlier, yes we play in leather jackets, no we lost the ball, no we're tough we play w/o gloves :P |
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Apr 16 2003, 07:34 AM
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Casanova Posted on Apr 16 2003, 06:56 AM
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I carry a flick baton because im afraid of AZN's. White cops understand when i explain this.
:lol: I'm guessin your caucasian?
I tell em cause I've had my ass beat before and they were nowhere to be found, and it's my right to protect myself :D It's tough explaining why you have 6 bats in your trunk and 5 dudes in your car and you're cruisin slowly through a residential neighborhood though. Oh officer we were out playing baseball earlier, yes we play in leather jackets, no we lost the ball, no we're tough we play w/o gloves :P
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| bigpappa |
f@ck this bullshit carry what you want if it gives you piece of mind of safety.i would love to see some one pull tough guy shit on me hah.
i don't want the police on here tryin to find out my name like they have threatened ha joke.if you need the hardware carry what you want if you don't cause trouble don't worry about it.in my opion i will always back the out numbered guy to make it even,just to see how tough the tough guys are when it's even.me and my boys keep it clean but learned one thing from the asian,indian gangs, to hunt in a pac if someone gets fucked with.otherwise we stay clean. peace :angry: |
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| sOx |
| where do u get flick batons ive only seen them at one place and u had to be 21 to get it, im not 21 :thumbsdown: can someone hook me up :D |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
hmmm I can hook you up with a name, p.m me :D
and i agree with you bigpappa.. generally if you don't start shit and don't look for trouble it won't find you but there's always your past that comes to haunt you once in a while :thumbsdown: |
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