| Ford SVT Lightning Concept - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| Cobra_R |
| I love lightnings they show the world that trucks can be more than just power but sport also. |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by Cobra_R
I love lightnings they show the world that trucks can be more than just power but sport also.
how do u figure? all they can do is drive ina straight line fast, i've never seen one auto-x b4.:dunno: |
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| Cobra_R |
um i dunno 385 hp????
Who ever thinks this truck stock can compete in auto-x needs there head checked. |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by Cobra_R
um i dunno 385 hp????
Who ever thinks this truck stock can compete in auto-x needs there head checked.
you said they can be more then just power...i said how do u figure they can't turn...u say 385hp...ur stupid.:eek: :p u said they can be sport aswell, well all i see is drag racing from them so hows that sport and not power? |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by Cobra_R
um i dunno 385 hp????
Who ever thinks this truck stock can compete in auto-x needs there head checked.
if auto-x isn't sport then what is? power i assume u mean drag racing.:dunno: |
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| Cobra_R |
| when it comes to trucks the more torque the better but in this case its the horespower numbers and the engine 5.4l s/c. and most trucks arent fast in straight line. so if that aint sporty what is? :dunno: |
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| shorti |
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Originally posted by Cobra_R
I love lightnings they show the world that trucks can be more than just power but sport also.
yeah because trucks like the Toyota Tacoma or the Nissan Frontier scream power but not sport. |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by Cobra_R
I love lightnings they show the world that trucks can be more than just power but sport also.
more than just power, how? is my question...thats all they are imo. but u say they're sporty i was just wondering why u'd say that? |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by Cobra_R
when it comes to trucks the more torque the better but in this case its the horespower numbers and the engine 5.4l s/c.
???what do u mean...:dunno: ah nevermind I can't understand a god dam thing u say:mad: it just doesn't add up to a point:confused: so don't bother replying. |
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| LeadSled |
Its too bad the Lightning is gone for a while... They had rumors of a 2007 or 08 coming back but Ford didn't have the money to go through with it, all the effort went into the 07 GT500 and upcoming SVT Sportrac. The same thing happened to their 6.2L Hurricane engine program.
I have an 18 year old cousin (female) that has an 04 Lightning... Nice power (love the blower whine) and the handling is decent, its not just a straight line performer. Just because you "don't see them at auto-x" that must mean they can't handle. Have you ever drove one? Or how about a SRT-10 reg cab? I bet you'd be suprised.
Personally, I think the new Trailblazer SS with LS2 and Grand Cherokee SRT8 are going to be two nice rides. The Cherokee is a real performer, quicker than a Cayenne Turbo for half the cost and able to pull .92 lateral g :blink:
http://www.drivesrt.com |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by LeadSled
Its too bad the Lightning is gone for a while... They had rumors of a 2007 or 08 coming back but Ford didn't have the money to go through with it, all the effort went into the 07 GT500 and upcoming SVT Sportrac. The same thing happened to their 6.2L Hurricane engine program.
I have an 18 year old cousin (female) that has an 04 Lightning... Nice power (love the blower whine) and the handling is decent, its not just a straight line performer. Just because you "don't see them at auto-x" that must mean they can't handle. Have you ever drove one? Or how about a SRT-10 reg cab? I bet you'd be suprised.
Personally, I think the new Trailblazer SS with LS2 and Grand Cherokee SRT8 are going to be two nice rides. The Cherokee is a real performer, quicker than a Cayenne Turbo for half the cost and able to pull .92 lateral g :blink:
http://www.drivesrt.com
wicked thanks leadsled! :)
Cobra_R its all good dont let these fellas worry you. Im sure if a Volvo Semi truck can drift than so can a f-150 right? I say yes they can do all sorts of nimble tricks I know ;) |
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| Murph |
| man this thread makes me laugh, yes its not gonna handle as well as a car, what do you wanna cookie for thinking that all up by yourself. As for not seeing one at an auto-x get out a bit more, i have seen two, one in calgary and one in vancouver and they where not as bad as i would of thought they would of been. |
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| oldraven |
| John Colleti refused to build a Lightning from the new F-150 because it was too heavy. That's why the Adrenaline (Sportrack) was created. |
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| Markgase2000 |
| We had a couple Adreneline Sport Tracks before there nothing special. |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
We had a couple Adreneline Sport Tracks before there nothing special.
That's because it still has the weak 4.0L. |
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| Markgase2000 |
| Yup and cus its a useless for pretty much everything except as a suv with a noiceish sterio. |
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| LeadSled |
OldRaven, Coletti was around when they made developed the concept 05 Lightning... Word from the SVT program was that there weren't the resources or money to make the Lightning with the 07 Cobra on the way. Coletti considered the Lightning to be in a niche he created, I doubt he wanted it dead.
He's replaced by that Thai Tang guy now... and he doesn't come off like a truck guy at all to me.
By the way Mark, if you got one of these new Adrenalins in at DK I bet you'd be a little more enthusiastic ;) They come with the blown 4V 4.6L to a 6 speed auto and 390hp with AWD. Slated for a mid/late 2006 release.
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
We had a couple Adreneline Sport Tracks before there nothing special.
Since when is DK an SVT dealer? |
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| LeadSled |
| I think he's referring to a sound package or something that came on older Sportracs :dunno: |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by LeadSled
OldRaven, Coletti was around when they made developed the concept 05 Lightning... Word from the SVT program was that there weren't the resources or money to make the Lightning with the 07 Cobra on the way. Coletti considered the Lightning to be in a niche he created, I doubt he wanted it dead.
He's replaced by that Thai Tang guy now... and he doesn't come off like a truck guy at all to me.
By the way Mark, if you got one of these new Adrenalins in at DK I bet you'd be a little more enthusiastic ;) They come with the blown 4V 4.6L to a 6 speed auto and 390hp with AWD. Slated for a mid/late 2006 release.
Yeah, Hau Thai Tang, I think is his name. He's not just the new head of SVT, he also headed the design of the new Mustang.
I read it in Motor Trend a while back that the new 150 was too heavy for Coletti's liking, which is why he wanted the Adrenaline.
As for the Adrenaline, think again. It's everything you saw in the concept................ with the same old 4.0L V6 (and a bland image).
http://www.intellichoice.com/report...%20Sport%20Trac
It's pretty much a smoothed out Sport track with a 510w stereo. |
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| crazy240sx |
| lightnings don't handle all that bad (I drive a 5L so i don't know what handling is) but when i got in the srt10 ram, that bitch handled like it was on rails to me, and it had the nuts to back it up, sweeeeeet truck, but i personally like the lightning in the sense of bang for the buck, very nice truck and not all that expensive to me |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by LeadSled
I think he's referring to a sound package or something that came on older Sportracs :dunno:
LOL! I thought it was just a sound package LMAO cus I woulda said nice things about a blown v8 in one of those and the exterior looks sweet! Thanks for the pics fellas never seen that "ADRENALINE" before hahaha stupid rear badges that say shit oh and stupid stitching on the seat. I wish DK was a Saleen dealer IMO that would rock :thumbup: |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by oldraven
Yeah, Hau Thai Tang, I think is his name. He's not just the new head of SVT, he also headed the design of the new Mustang.
I read it in Motor Trend a while back that the new 150 was too heavy for Coletti's liking, which is why he wanted the Adrenaline.
As for the Adrenaline, think again. It's everything you saw in the concept................ with the same old 4.0L V6 (and a bland image).
http://www.intellichoice.com/report...%20Sport%20Trac
It's pretty much a smoothed out Sport track with a 510w stereo.
Your close maybe dead on the name and he won the most inovative design awards for his efforts :) |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by crazy240sx
lightnings don't handle all that bad (I drive a 5L so i don't know what handling is) but when i got in the srt10 ram, that bitch handled like it was on rails to me, and it had the nuts to back it up, sweeeeeet truck, but i personally like the lightning in the sense of bang for the buck, very nice truck and not all that expensive to me
My buddy had a 89 Cobra 5.0 , the only mods on the car was suspension upgrades around $10,000-$15,000 no engine mods whatsoever. He ran 13's at Budpark. As for cornering well when I test drove the car considering buying it myself I had a blast. No matter how I applied too much power to the wheels the car went where I steered and it went there as quick as I willed it to. Mustangs have potential to move fast and be nimble more than most can imagine. I wouldnt put down your HO the handling on those cars was considered a hit and miss but in the hands of a skilled driver stock or hp juiced they can still manuever like a pro. Practice you and your car just need a better relationship. :) |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by Markgase2000
My buddy had a 89 Cobra 5.0 , the only mods on the car was suspension upgrades around $10,000-$15,000 no engine mods whatsoever. He ran 13's at Budpark. As for cornering well when I test drove the car considering buying it myself I had a blast. No matter how I applied too much power to the wheels the car went where I steered and it went there as quick as I willed it to. Mustangs have potential to move fast and be nimble more than most can imagine. I wouldnt put down your HO the handling on those cars was considered a hit and miss but in the hands of a skilled driver stock or hp juiced they can still manuever like a pro. Practice you and your car just need a better relationship. :)
There were no fox body cobras in Canada. 93's were the only real fox body cobras and they were only available in the states.
And if it had suspension built to handle there was no way that car would be in the 13's. 15's yes .. but no way 13's at this altitude. Hell even a stock (engine wise like your buddies 89) 01-04 has trouble breaking into the 13's at this altitude.
Have you and Cobra_R been hangin out thinking up bullshit mark ? |
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| driftr420 |
look underneath of any turck. what's the rear axle look like?
i know if you look under any truck you'll see a solid rear axle.( not a independent rear suspension) therefore if your trying to tell me that it handles. you must be fuct in the head! anybody with half a brain, that is a self proclaimed car guy/girl should know better.imo |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by driftr420
look underneath of any turck. what's the rear axle look like?
i know if you look under any truck you'll see a solid rear axle.( not a independent rear suspension) therefore if your trying to tell me that it handles. you must be fuct in the head! anybody with half a brain, that is a self proclaimed car guy/girl should know better.imo
And if you think solid rear automatically means poor handling, you're even more fucked in the head. IRS isn't Gods gift to the autocross. It's easier to make a good handling IRS, but you can still have a corner carver with a live axle.
This is like the fools assumption that OHC is better than OHV. For a self proclaimed car guy, you should try not to be quite so ignorant.
And mwdguy, I'm sure I've read about the 'Canadian Cobra's', that were essentially a decal kit on a fox body GT. These weren't sold in the US durring those years, thus the 'Canadian' part. I just wish I could find something about them online. |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by oldraven
And mwdguy, I'm sure I've read about the 'Canadian Cobra's', that were essentially a decal kit on a fox body GT. These weren't sold in the US durring those years, thus the 'Canadian' part. I just wish I could find something about them online.
exactly ... a decal kit does not make it a real cobra ... |
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| motorwerks |
| Altitude doesn't take off 2 seconds on a 1/4 mile time. |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by mwdguy
exactly ... a decal kit does not make it a real cobra ...
And a 510w stereo doesn't make it a real Adrenaline. ;) |
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| driftr420 |
come on guy, how many solid rear axle cars can u tell me about that have supreme handeling? not some old car either. but i can state that irs is the only way to go! maybe thats why manufacturers don't equip many if any sports cars with it. look when it comes down to it it's still a truck, and with weight distribution like any truck and a solid axle it's still going to drive like one. so since i'm fucked why don't you enlighten some of us as to your wealth of info, and fill us in on why i'm so wrong about solid rear-ends.
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Originally posted by oldraven
And if you think solid rear automatically means poor handling, you're even more fucked in the head. IRS isn't Gods gift to the autocross. It's easier to make a good handling IRS, but you can still have a corner carver with a live axle.
This is like the fools assumption that OHC is better than OHV. For a self proclaimed car guy, you should try not to be quite so ignorant.
And mwdguy, I'm sure I've read about the 'Canadian Cobra's', that were essentially a decal kit on a fox body GT. These weren't sold in the US durring those years, thus the 'Canadian' part. I just wish I could find something about them online.
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| oldraven |
Did you read my post, or just the 'fucked' part?
Watch some SCCA Trans Am racing some time, and you'll notice how well live axles can work on the track (emphasis on 'can'). Also notice how many IRS cars are in the top ten.
A poorly balanced chassis equates to poor handling, not simply a solid rear. If you put an IRS on the same chassis, it'll still handle like shit. |
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| driftr420 |
| well i'm not easily swayed, so i'd like some evidence that there is a class of racing using solid rear axles. maybe i'm wrong. |
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| oldraven |
From Trans-amseries.com
SUSPENSION
Cars use a coil-over front and rear suspension with a live-axle rear end. Active suspension, telemetry, traction control and ABS brakes are not allowed. Chassis data-gathering systems are permitted. Teams must use Trans-Am-approved shock absorbers. A rear panhard bar or Watts link are allowed.
CARS
Chevrolet Corvette, Ford Mustang and Jaguar XKR are predominant makes and models, but the Dodge Viper, Panoz Esperante, Qvale Mangusta and Chevrolet Camaro are also eligible for competition. Convertibles are not allowed.
Now, I didn't know live-axle was a requirement. I've seen new RX-8's and 350Z's racing in this series, so I don't know how they pulled that off. By the looks of things, there may have been two series racing at that time, since V8's are also a requirement.
It really is an awesome racing series, if you ever get a chance to check it out on SPEED. |
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| driftr420 |
thats actually really cool. so in other words this trans am series is basically a class of racing, with the vehicles you've listed, that have been modified to run solid rear ends and other restrictions. thats really a cool way to pay homage to the cars and designes of old. awasome thanks for the info, i might just have to start paying more attn to this perticular class.
but imo the solid just dosen't do it for me. in all honesty i think one of our next projects is really gonna piss some ppl off, since we plan on building a rear wheel drive, irs, jz turbo(to be deterimined) powered 69 ss nova.
sorry for hi-jacking.
-Ryan |
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| LeadSled |
Driftr, which IRS are you fitting into that Nova? I can't see why it would piss anyone off, sounds like a sweet project... I bought a rust free 1970 Plymouth Duster in Washington a week ago, the Nova is its mortal enemy lol. But I plan on a bolt in coilover K frame in the front with narrowed rear leafs and sway out back (and a suprise under the hood ). The IRS sounds nice, but for that light of a car with what I assume is a torquey motor it won't be much fun trying to 60' it (if 1/4 mile is your thing).
Old Raven, actually the "SVT Adrenalin" I pictured is going to production as a 07 model. Its called the 2007 SVT Sport Trac with no Adrenalin designation now... or is that what you meant? |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by LeadSled
Old Raven, actually the "SVT Adrenalin" I pictured is going to production as a 07 model. Its called the 2007 SVT Sport Trac with no Adrenalin designation now... or is that what you meant?
No, I mean what Mark means. The actual Adrenalin package available on '06 Sport Tracks. He did in fact see one, but it's no SVT, (oh yeah, Saleen doesn't sell these products, Mark, SVT does ;) ).
The upcoming version doesn't have the supercharged motor though. It's got the same MOD 4.6 3V found in the Mustang GT. Still under 300hp. (if that 40% more power is refering to the current 205hp V6, it only has 287hp). So it's still a sad version of the concept. The Trailblazer SS is going to eat this thing alive.
As for the SC'd SVT Adrenaline, I can't actually find any information on production plans. Are they still going ahead with it? Last I heard, it's still a concept (that they most definately should make). |
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| LeadSled |
So the "Adrenalin" is just going to be an audio package on the same old Sport Trac... weak :(
But at least the SVT version is a go. Car & Driver for this month lists for MY 07 along with Ward's, Autoweek and Motortrend. Its supposed to hit the streets mid/late 06.
Here's an article from a while ago with it's specs. Should compete well with the SRT8 Cherokee, the SS Trailblazer is going to bring up the rear between the 3 it seems.
http://www.autonet.ca/Spotlight/New.../21/968165.html |
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| driftr420 |
well it's still up in the air. but i'm thinking late model camaro, because price seems to be the largest problem for us. but a few suggestions would be great.
the reason i say this is going to piss ppl off, well have you ever talked to muscle guys and or old tymers. they seem to think old is better but i'm a fan of technoligies, and i belive that times are changing. the reason for this project is the surge of imports sporting muscle. so i'm thinking it's time to go the other way and make one of these muscle cars drive. |
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| LeadSled |
Here's the "official" word:
http://www.svt.ford.com/home.asp
Driftr, the late model Camaro's are all live axle as well. I have heard of some people retrofitting Porsche IRS into musclecars but it sounds like a VERY extensive job. If you guys want to do it a little cheaper, I would honestly go with a 3 link job on the live axle or just a well thought out shock/sway package. |
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| driftr420 |
i could have swore otherwise, but no matter this project is way on the back burner. as money and space permit maybe we'll get started on her next summer for now the nova is stripped down to her skin and frame and will stay that way until someone up there smiles down on me and money falls from the sky,lol because shes gonna be a toughy.
Thanks- Ryan |
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| turbo_dave |
Mopar will own again with the srt grand cherokee. A 6.1-liter HEMI producing 415 horsepower, 0-60 mph in under 5 seconds. GM needs to bring back the typhoon :O
Back on topic, i have always been fascinated with fast suvs/ trucks. The syclone has always been my favorite. So cool yet soooo impracticle... What's the point of a truck that can't tow or haul? |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by mwdguy
There were no fox body cobras in Canada. 93's were the only real fox body cobras and they were only available in the states.
And if it had suspension built to handle there was no way that car would be in the 13's. 15's yes .. but no way 13's at this altitude. Hell even a stock (engine wise like your buddies 89) 01-04 has trouble breaking into the 13's at this altitude.
Have you and Cobra_R been hangin out thinking up bullshit mark ?
No he ran it at Budpark a couple years ago and got in the 13's at budpark. I may be wrong about the year I know alot of mustang owners so I can easily get a couple years wrong. |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by oldraven
And a 510w stereo doesn't make it a real Adrenaline. ;)
LOL up until yesterday or the day. Before when I read the posts about the real Adrenaline I didnt have a clue what the hell the big deal about the name? haha |
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