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| night_font |
Hello, everyone. As you all may know I enjoy getting tickets from the police and enjoy getting demerits and paying lost and lost of money out of my ass for the past 3 years, lol. Anyways this is my situation as of now. Going down the Whitemud, 122 st off ramp and I see a cop waiting to get speeders off the off ramp with laser on the other side going the other direction, so I assume that there will be one going my direction that will try to get me....SOOOOOOOOO. I look at my speed and see im going 90, so I SLOW down to 80, which I do and at this point I am about to pass the off ramp and what do u know, I see a pig. I laugh at him cause I know that I wont get a speeding ticket, so I drive a few kms and what do u know, he catches up to me and gets on my ass and what does he do ..pulls me over and, lets just say in the end of 5 min of waiting he comes out with a 106 in a 80 zone (150$) and a over sized muffler, (115$) mine is 4" now to be exact...so I was like you have got to be kidding me and I know that I wasn’t speeding. But what I can tell everyone that is reading this now, is that I had a friend in the car, and that as I was passing the off ramp, of course people were passing me (THEY WERE SPEEDING NOT ME), but of course he choose me as a target, my guess is that if he got me he could pin the muffler, and the speeding on me and get away with it, and that of course is the way the might fine police of Edmonton are corrupt (selected few). My 2 cents.
also what can i do as legal and fighting wise, with and without a lawyer? thanks. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Darnnear same thing happened to me.. well not quite but....
I was driving down 170th in my car from 137th to WEM... I know out by the brick there's normally photo radar, so I set my cruise at 70km/h and it slows down to 65km/h so I was doing 65km/h in a 60zone.. normally should be fine... well I was a little bit behind a S10 that passed me just after the yellow head(bout 118th)
Anyhow.. The cop comes out of the finning parking lot, lights on, so I move right and slow down, he's inthe middle lane signalling left, and after a couple seconds he decides to pull in behind me... so I pull over in the turning lane just before Wendy's.
He told me I was doing 81, I said no way, he said Yes way, I said the S10 was going faster than me, and he said I was doing 81 and the s10 was doing 77 and I was gaining on him.
GRRR.... Now.. he was nice enough to let me go with just a speeding ticket as I couldn't find my insurance card, I had the temp in my car.
I got stopped at ta check stop a while back, and handed them my ins and registration, so I know I had it... and when I got it back from the check stop I know I put it straight back into the holder thing... so I think I never got it back from the check stop, only my registration.
Sooo.. I wanna fight that one.. if I can. So the question becomes can I make my word more believable than the Offiicers? Which is BS. I think he got me cause I was already slowed down and the S10 kept going.
I did what your supposed to, move right and well ok I didn't stop, but with 2 other open lanes I figured slowing down would be good enough. |
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| Stainless |
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Originally posted by night_font
I see a pig. I laugh at him cause I know that I wont get a speeding ticket
A) Unless you drive a SRT-4, your avatar makes NO SENSE.
B) You have to expect officers of the law to treat you with the same respect as you treat them with. LAUGHING AT A "PIG" shows how much respect you have for police, other people that have to share the road with you, and traffic laws in general.
It's not a big surpise how many tickets you get.
There are many events where you can drive your car hard, there is no excuse to be doing it on public roads. The laws aren't there to punish those of us who know how cars work, and how hard you can push them, they are there to protect those who don't.
Fast and the Furious was a movie. Whitemud is a road. The difference is pretty apparent to those of us who would like to give our scene a little credibility in the eyes of the general public. |
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| Turbo_Civic92 |
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Originally posted by Stainless
A) Unless you drive a SRT-4, your avatar makes NO SENSE.
B) You have to expect officers of the law to treat you with the same respect as you treat them with. LAUGHING AT A "PIG" shows how much respect you have for police, other people that have to share the road with you, and traffic laws in general.
It's not a big surpise how many tickets you get.
There are many events where you can drive your car hard, there is no excuse to be doing it on public roads. The laws aren't there to punish those of us who know how cars work, and how hard you can push them, they are there to protect those who don't.
Fast and the Furious was a movie. Whitemud is a road. The difference is pretty apparent to those of us who would like to give our scene a little credibility in the eyes of the general public.
Are you kidding me??? |
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| night_font |
Stainless, maybe you didn’t read my very descriptive story...I was going 90 in an 80 ...slowed down before I got to him to 80 and what do u know I got 106!!!!!!!!!!!!! Explain to me why I wouldn’t be fucking pissed off at the respected police officer???
hah thanks Turbo_Civic92 |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by night_font
Anyways this is my situation as of now. Going down the Whitemud, 122 st off ramp and I see a cop waiting to get speeders off the off ramp with laser on the other side going the other direction, so I assume that there will be one going my direction that will try to get me....SOOOOOOOOO. I look at my speed and see im going 90, so I SLOW down to 80, which I do and at this point I am about to pass the off ramp and what do u know, I see a pig. I laugh at him cause I know that I wont get a speeding ticket, so I drive a few kms and what do u know, he catches up to me and gets on my ass and what does he do ..pulls me over and, lets just say in the end of 5 min of waiting he comes out with a 106 in a 80 zone (150$) and a over sized muffler, (115$) mine is 4" now to be exact...so I was like you have got to be kidding me and I know that I wasn’t speeding. But what I can tell everyone that is reading this now, is that I had a friend in the car, and that as I was passing the off ramp, of course people were passing me (THEY WERE SPEEDING NOT ME), but of course he choose me as a target, my guess is that if he got me he could pin the muffler, and the speeding on me and get away with it, and that of course is the way the might fine police of Edmonton are corrupt (selected few). My 2 cents.
also what can i do as legal and fighting wise, with and without a lawyer? thanks.
First thing is you've got to write everything down that happened so you don't forget. And I mean everything, weather conditions, traffic volume, the make and colors of the cars around you, etc, etc, etc.
The officer will have taken rudimentary notes regarding the ticket and thats what he will use when he testifies, if you can raise enough doubt regarding his recall of the situation you might be able to plead misadventure. Having a credible witness doesn't hurt either, but with your previous record you're starting from a severe disadvantage. :( |
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| Turbo_Civic92 |
| no problem night_font and stainless aren't u from calgary i've meet u before with my cousin and you guys think edmonton cops are bad man calgary cops are worse for stupid tickets |
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| HeavyEarly87T |
Dude, Your Karma is messed or some shat like that cause I have never seen anybody attract cops like you do. You should re-center your Chi, balance your Charka or at least get laid man! You better do something before you can't afford insurance, ever.
Ummm, how long till you get the "other car" on the road? Once your driving that you will be invisible, or at least blend in with 50% of the traffic. My guess, and this is just a guess, this cop probably remembered you from the last time he gave you a ticket.
Good luck,
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| night_font |
| Haha thanks...earl I had never had that cop before, 1st timer..lol...but with the writing down a very descriptive telling of what happened I will do just that, thanks. |
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| youngbex |
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Originally posted by HeavyEarly87T
Dude, Your Karma is messed or some shat like that cause I have never seen anybody attract cops like you do. You should re-center your Chi, balance your Charka or at least get laid man! You better do something before you can't afford insurance, ever.
Ummm, how long till you get the "other car" on the road? Once your driving that you will be invisible, or at least blend in with 50% of the traffic. My guess, and this is just a guess, this cop probably remembered you from the last time he gave you a ticket.
Good luck,
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you have havn't met parsons yet then:p NO ONE attracts cops like that guy, crazy man! |
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| JdmCrx |
| heh i spent around $7000 on tickets..i'll now be driving at 60km/hr for the rest of my life. :drama: |
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| curtis_rak |
Well, I've personally done laser a couple of times on the Whitemud and I would have to say that if you got lticketed at 106 in an 80 zone, you were probably doing AT LEAST 106...maybe even more, and your chances of getting a laser ticket tossed in court will be tough.
The thing with laser is that it's vehicle specific. If you point at a car, shoot it, and the display says 100, that vehicle is going 100. There will be very little or no error in that. To say that other vehicles around you were speeding isn't much of a defence. Sure, the other cars might have been going 120, but you just may have been the first car that was shot in a group of cars.
Out of curiosity, what time of day did this occur? |
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| tegGSR |
| ^^^i'm not sure but i think that he was saying that the cop lasered another car and pulled him over for that cars speed....the must have been close or something but i think thats what he means? |
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| ehos |
The cop was using laser then he jumped in his car and chased you down?
(Are you sure it was the same cop and you weren't speeding before that? 90 is pretty close to 100) |
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| curtis_rak |
You can use laser from inside the car. I do it all the time.
All you have to do is roll the window down. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by curtis_rak
You can use laser from inside the car. I do it all the time.
All you have to do is roll the window down.
Thats how I got nailed last time.. cop sitting well into the finning parking lot, driver side towards traffic and just "picked us off like ducks in a barrel"
A question about that can cops hide on private property to nail people on the open road? |
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| mwdguy |
I was heading to Gibbons from Spruce Grove to look at an acreage that my parents are buying. As I exit off of the Yellowhead east bound onto the exit ramp to head north on hiway 44 I see 3 of the Stony Plain RCMPs waiting on the onramp to the Yellowhead westbound. So I Make a left to head over the overpass to make my way North. And I see the Stony Plain RCMP ghost truck parked THE WRONG WAY on my right hand shoulder of the overpass pointed towards me.
Now yes I can understand the positional advantages of being here with the laser gun. BUT he didn't have any lights on, i mean no hazards or flashers whatsoever. Which from what I understand is against the law for an emergency vehicle to be in that position without any form of lights on. |
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| night_font |
| Ok for 1, yes the cop was in the car at the time, and yes my accusation is that he got someone else’s speed; looked at me when I drove past him AT 80km/h, NOT 106 and saw that I had a large muffler. So he chose me and gave me the speeding ticket and muffler ticket so that he could add a EASY one onto his quota. So when I said I was going 80 I was going 80 not 106, remember people, I KNEW HE WAS THERE!!!!!!!!!! I’m not STUPID.....”ok, this is what happened to people who are confused, I was going 90...acc. up to 106 and wanted to get a 150 dollar ticket and 3 demerits, think people think” not true if people are confused by the way. ....I DO remember a white 90's Dodge Dakota passing me ...I know he must have been doing 106, he must have, hmmmmm...I was in the middle lane and he was in the far left lane as he passed me at the perfect moment. The time of day was 10:15pm ish. |
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| Stainless |
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Originally posted by night_font
Ok for 1, yes the cop was in the car at the time, and yes my accusation is that he got someone else’s speed; looked at me when I drove past him AT 80km/h, NOT 106 and saw that I had a large muffler. So he chose me and gave me the speeding ticket and muffler ticket so that he could add a EASY one onto his quota.
A) From talking to a cop who I have asked the question about who he pulls over, the respose was:
Him: "Do you fish?"
Me: "Yeah."
Him: "Well have you ever caught all the fish?"
And I agree. Thing is, and I'm sure it's with most officers, fishermen, hunters even, is that it's the most satisfying if you get the BIGGEST FISH/ELK/UNLAWFUL DRIVER.
It's like getting a Racing Beat exhaust from you parents, and then opening the card and finding $100 in there to! (Hint, hint, parents!)
B) I'm pretty sure it has been discussed here that the EPS doesn't have quotas? |
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| Stainless |
Also, LiDAR is capable of locking in at over 500 metres. Your ticket will tell you where you were pulled over, not where you got locked on at.
Try Driving through Valleyview (on the way to Grande Prairie) and you can get busted for over 60 (the speed limit on the highway through town) from where you enter the town and you won't get pulled over until you pass the last motel. (You have to have been through there to know what I mean.)
As for your defence (and I'll give you as much as I know, I was harsh in my last post, but still stick to my opinions) you should find out the Officers experience with a LiDAR unit. they are like guns. You have to know how to aim them properly. Cars are moving targets.
The only thing I can think of that might screw you over is if they had the LiDAR/radar set up in a different location, and were getting the car infos radioed ahead to the puller-overers.
The moral of this rant is, JUST DON'T SPEED MORE THAN 10 km/h. |
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| night_font |
| ok, i guess thats allight....and yes dont speed over by 10 ppl. its speeding. |
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| SketchifisT |
Well if he cant prove your speed , you will just have the big muffler ticket.
Next time that happens ask how the cop got your speed. If he said he estimated it, ask him how he did it. He cant just say, I did. He has to have had a marker then judge your speed accordingly. This is when in court you ask him to prove your speed. 106 is a weird number to pull out of his ass. Most time when a cop makes up a ticket he will round the estimated speed. because he will have a tough time sayin 106 unless he radar you. When he can easily say , In my expert opinion he was travelin around 100km/hr .
gluck with the ticket. hopefully you learned the lesson dont ever eye down a cop or laugh. and Its a Cop not a pig, once you start thinkin that way i bet you will get less tickets. Just how it goes |
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| inglewood |
let me just add a quick fact of laser, especially from an engineers perspective. lidar is quite accurate, so there's no doubt about that. however, think about the relationship between the size of the beam and the distance...
picture a laser pointer...the dot which comes out of it does not maintain a constant diameter indefinately...as you increase distance, you will notice that the size of the dot increases, thanks to a physical phenomenon known as diffraction. this same principle applies to lidar, which is many of you may have been caught with. lets say it has a beam diffraction of 3 degrees...not all that much...take out a protractor and look...a full circle is 360 degrees, so this is less than a 1/3rd of a percentage of that range. if you take that 3 degrees and go back 100m, that beam is about 50cm wide...that's half a meter folks. at 300m, it's over 1.5m in width. by that principle, you can see how this might affect the operator's knowledge of what he's actually hitting.
curtis_rak, seeing that you're quite confident in the accuracy of your lidar gun, how do you know for certain that you are in fact recording the speed of the target vehicle with no interference from a signal returned by another vehicle? |
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| keebler811 |
| inglewood, I agree with your statement about the dot diffraction (glad to see another engineer out there!) You are exactly right, as distance increases so does the width of the beam, or "dot" size. However, the diffraction on cop laser guns is nowhere near your suggestion of 3 degrees. I don't know the exact data off hand (I will look it up though), but I know from playing around with the type of laser gun that EPS uses that the beam expansion is minimal. About the size of a licence plate (if that) at distances pushing 800m. I don't know about EPS, but 800m was the farthest I could accurately tag an approaching vehicle...anything more than that and the vehicle was indeterminable in the scope (even though the dot is still small). And, from my experience with a few laser tickets (in my younger days, ahem) I can tell you that the average distance to get tagged by laser is no more than 500m (that is considered a very long, and good, shot). If you do go to court and fight it the officer who was operating the laser at the time will have to testify as to the distance, speed and other factors (type of car, which lane, etc) of the car he tagged was. As has been said, laser is almost impossible to beat. The courts have ruled that as long as the officer does his "startup checks", the laser gun itself is properly working and calibrated. So night_font, keep in mind that you were probably targeted around 300 to 500m from where the cop was. If you say that you saw him from that distance then you've got amazing eyes. But, it never hurts to go to court and find out the officer's side of things. Good luck...I know I'm 0 for lots when it comes to laser...they are almost impossible to beat! |
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| inglewood |
hey keebler...yea i don't have any data on the laser guns either...i was just speculating. as for distance, that data is available directly off the manufacturer's website. Max distance is 610m for the Ultralyte 100 and 100LR...I assume that EPS uses the 20-20s? I could be wrong, but I would assume the ranges are quite similar between them.
So there ya go, beam diffraction is a lot more concise on these guns, which is good to hear. |
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| keebler811 |
| Yes, EPS uses the 20-20....range really depends on how steady your hand is and what you are aiming at. I agree, the "max" range for a normal type car is prolly around 600 - 800m. You can hit things like semis at over 1000m, simply because of their size. Bottom line is...by the time you see the cop it is already too late. So people, don't speed! (at least not by more than 10 over :rolleyes: ) |
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| inglewood |
yes, good call on the speeding...i suppose people will get nailed by the new "electrical" boxes that mysteriously take people's pictures now.
vans and suvs are too obvious. |
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| Honda_Finatic |
| I am sick of hearing this happen to everyone where cops target cars and pull them over for exaggerated reasons. Some day... a cop will abuse his power, pull over someone, make up some bullshit... and piss the driver right off. You know what the drivers going to do? Shoot him right in the face! Happens all the time in the states. I am not making an "attack" towards police officers, i'm just saying what can or will happen some day. However, I wouldn't be shedding tears if it happened. Especially if i knew it was a police officer who targeted me for no apparent reason. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by Honda_Finatic
I am sick of hearing this happen to everyone where cops target cars and pull them over for exaggerated reasons. Some day... a cop will abuse his power, pull over someone, make up some bullshit... and piss the driver right off. You know what the drivers going to do? Shoot him right in the face! Happens all the time in the states. I am not making an "attack" towards police officers, i'm just saying what can or will happen some day. However, I wouldn't be shedding tears if it happened. Especially if i knew it was a police officer who targeted me for no apparent reason.
Heh kinda funny you say that.. a while back on 95st, I was heading downtown, and 95th is the quickest route, and isn't plagued with photo radar like 97st. Anyhow... I catch up to a car who's behind a van doing 30 in a 50, so a second lane opens up, I signal and go, and the car cuts me off, no signal no nothing.
So we get stopped the a light, van and car have pole postion and I'm behind the car, only vehicles around, light turns green the van does 30 again, the car does 35... so first chance I get I bolt around the car and get up to 50, then I see 2 little 194 red and blues going off on the dash, so I pull over, normally for cops I turn off the car, this time I left it in gear clutch pushed, had then not been in uniform I woulda been gone... thats how phony the lights looked.
Anyhow, the passaanger cop kicked my plate cause it was dirty...when i got out of the car cause they told me it was dirty.. they made me clean it there... we wher right next to the city vehicle card lock gas station - wouldn'tlet me use a squeegee from there... I found a rag in my trunk and used that and the drive cop told me "people get shot for driving like that in this neighbourhood" Soooo of course my reply was, well if you had signalled and not cut me off, this wouldn't have been an issue, and shouldn't you be looking for the people with the guns, not stopping some kid you cut off.
The used a frigin undercover car to pull me over where everybody could see... Oh I was pissed, they let me go, cause technically I didn't do anything wrong. |
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| albertarc |
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Originally posted by Honda_Finatic
I am sick of hearing this happen to everyone where cops target cars and pull them over for exaggerated reasons. Some day... a cop will abuse his power, pull over someone, make up some bullshit... and piss the driver right off. You know what the drivers going to do? Shoot him right in the face! Happens all the time in the states. I am not making an "attack" towards police officers, i'm just saying what can or will happen some day. However, I wouldn't be shedding tears if it happened. Especially if i knew it was a police officer who targeted me for no apparent reason.
First of all ... Canada's Charter of Rights & Freedoms allows you to have that opinion.
Second ... obviously the driver isn't a choir boy if he's carrying a gun???
Third ... what have you done to rectify the situation? When was the last time you visited your MLA / MP 's office to discuss law enforcement / justice? Never .....
Fourth ... police officers don't just pull people over for the fun of it. If you have tint on your windows - that's an offence. If you have a loud fart cannon for a muffler - that's an offence. If you are observed leaving a licensed establishment in a vehicle the Supreme Court of Canada has deemed that even though it is considered arbitrary detention to be stopped, it is justified to determine there isn't a drunk behind the wheel - that's an offence.
If you had a family member killed by a drunk driver leaving a bar, wouldn't you have wanted a police officer to arbitrarily detain the driver? If that same driver was sober, the 2 minutes it took to check it out would in my opinion (remember we are all allowed to have one - provided to us by the Charter of Rights & Freedoms) would have been well worth it!
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by Honda_Finatic
I am sick of hearing this happen to everyone where cops target cars and pull them over for exaggerated reasons. Some day... a cop will abuse his power, pull over someone, make up some bullshit... and piss the driver right off. You know what the drivers going to do? Shoot him right in the face! Happens all the time in the states. I am not making an "attack" towards police officers, i'm just saying what can or will happen some day. However, I wouldn't be shedding tears if it happened. Especially if i knew it was a police officer who targeted me for no apparent reason.
Any cop doing a decent job would never be put in that position. You wonder why cops don't like tint? This is exactly why. |
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| Honda_Finatic |
I will not try and change your opinions. However, i will try to get my point across more clearly. If being pulled over for a legitimate and understandable reason, so be it, i have no problem with it. My issue is innocent civilians being "targeted" because of what they drive, what they look like, or simply cuz an officer feels the need to act tough. I view that as HARRASSMENT. All i am saying... is that its only a matter of time... when a police officer abusing his power comes across someone who will take extreme exception (physical harm to an officer) for being harrassed. This person can have a spotless record and officers would never expect such a thing. However, it MAY happen as a result of the officer being a jerk. Moving on, why should i be treated as a criminal when i have done nothing wrong? and if i did do a traffic violation... what gives an officer the right to treat me like garbage?
95EagleAWD/albertarc, you have brought up legitimate reasons to pull someone over (window tint, checkstop, muffler etc.). I am referring to officers pulling over people for no apparent reason other than harrassment. If there was a reason, I consider exaggerating a fine to be harrassment as well. Eg. speeding 10km/hr over and being fined for 20km/hr over. Honestly, who wouldnt get mad at that? As for the comment about police officers not pulling people over for the "fun of it", it can sure seem that ways at times, just check with other people on the board. Officers are just like any other people in this world, you get your good.. and bad. |
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