| fazza |
i wanted to ask if cops actually look for a car that has been reproted stolen or they just call u if they accedently see the car?
and one more thing should'nt the police start spending money to prevent car theft and stuff like that ,instead of sticking camera's in garbege bins ? |
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| droppedatbirth |
| how are they gonna make any money finding stolen cars!? |
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| fazza |
| are'nt ppl willing to pay 200$ to the cops so they can find there 20000$ car? |
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| droppedatbirth |
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Originally posted by fazza
are'nt ppl willing to pay 200$ to the cops so they can find there 20000$ car?
well maybe....depends on the car though. and im not hating but if you look at these stupid laws and everything they are obviously pointed in the import car scene direction. i've never heard of any of my bosses (who have 5-6 inch tips on their trucks) gettin exhaust tickets. neither with muscle car guys. so what im basically saying is...even if they did look for stolen cars...guaranteed they wouldn't look for a civic. |
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| fazza |
| see the part that realy messes my head is that they are'nt doing shit about it , but then if i decide to take matters into my own hand and find this guy and fuck him up , i'll get charged for interferance with the law, or some other bullshit hting. |
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| PraxGTI |
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Originally posted by fazza
see the part that realy messes my head is that they are'nt doing shit about it , but then if i decide to take matters into my own hand and find this guy and fuck him up , i'll get charged for interferance with the law, or some other bullshit hting.
Thats why if you catch the guy, you just dont tell anybody, and you make sure the guy cant tell anybody :dunno:
#1 Solution: BAIT CARS
The EPS doesnt care about organized crime though. The EPS only cares about Drug houses, Murders, and traffic citations. There is a HUGE car theft ring in Edmonton, it is very well organized and preys on youths 16-19 that dont have anything else to do with thier lives. (My friends EX-GF used to steal cars, she never got caught, but she wont rat out her bosses either cause they are powerful enough to make her dissapear).
Course then you get your dipshit wannabe car thiefs that trash everything in your car.
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| droppedatbirth |
quote:
Originally posted by fazza
see the part that realy messes my head is that they are'nt doing shit about it , but then if i decide to take matters into my own hand and find this guy and fuck him up , i'll get charged for interferance with the law, or some other bullshit hting.
well technically they could go that route....but maybe it'll be different with someone younger but when my stepdad caught a guy trying to take off with a few things from our garage he beat the living shit out of him. when the cops came the guy was still on the ground and my stepdad said "oh that mustv'e happened yesterday...when i caught him he was like that" and the cop nodded and took him off |
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| shawley |
| maybe they should start looking for car theives insead of giving out pointless exhaust and tint tickets |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by droppedatbirth
well maybe....depends on the car though. and im not hating but if you look at these stupid laws and everything they are obviously pointed in the import car scene direction.
They give a reason to police to pull people over who are driving like jackasses.
Young people, in general, play riskier games (Like racing in the merging lanes, etc....) than older drivers. I should know, I used to be a teenager too.
That, and the laws really aren't unfair.
Why do you need a 4" tip? Typically cars equipped with those are loud, annoying as hell, and rev them high because they like the noise. A 4" tip on your Civic does NOT increase performance. |
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| PraxGTI |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
Why do you need a 4" tip? Typically cars equipped with those are loud, annoying as hell, and rev them high because they like the noise. A 4" tip on your Civic does NOT increase performance.
Full Agreement with you there. If you have a 2" Exhaust with a 4" tip, your still restricted by the 2" exhaust. Air only flows as fast as the most restrictive part of the exhaust, and I highly doubt the throttle body/intake on a civic is 4" wide. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by fazza
are'nt ppl willing to pay 200$ to the cops so they can find there 20000$ car?
lol, don't give the cops an incentive to start stealing cars. :D |
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| PraxGTI |
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Originally posted by snugs
lol, don't give the cops an incentive to start stealing cars. :D
LOL, oh you mean like the 2 RCMP officers in sherwood park a couple years ago that got charged with "borrowing" stolen cars from their underground parking lot, as well as selling drugs that had previously been confiscated?
We seriously need some sort of watchdog system for the police...but problem is, who watches the watchers? ahhh! |
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| fazza |
no see the main prob is who watches that watchers that r watching the police:confused:
seei agree with the loud mufleer tip , big muffler r to fucken annoying, i had to look all around to find a small muffler that would giveme preformance with out the noise.
but serousrly cops should start taking action against car thieft |
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| droppedatbirth |
quote:
Originally posted by TrevorK
They give a reason to police to pull people over who are driving like jackasses.
Young people, in general, play riskier games (Like racing in the merging lanes, etc....) than older drivers. I should know, I used to be a teenager too.
That, and the laws really aren't unfair.
Why do you need a 4" tip? Typically cars equipped with those are loud, annoying as hell, and rev them high because they like the noise. A 4" tip on your Civic does NOT increase performance.
i agree that you don't need a 4 inch tip. and i never said i do. im saying theres lots of other cars out there that do have them an dget tickets. i've never heard of any other type of car getting a ticket for it. no matter if it needs it or not. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
heh well I know alot of diesel pickups come with 3-5" exhausts stock.. so maybe thats why they're fine...err not fined.
When I do my exhaust I'll probably have duel 2.5" tips on a 318. or 2.25".. haven't decided... |
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| curtis_rak |
Bait cars would be a great idea. They use them in BC all the time and it works great. However...
The bait car program is funded mainly by ICBC. If this wasn't heavily subsidized, BC wouldn't have the program. It costs a lot of money to set such a program up. Here in Alberta, our insurance companies have obviously not seen the need to fork out the cash needed to start some kind of initiative to fight auto theft. Currently the EPS has the Autofind unit, which was paid for by insurance companies and has been in use for about a year. But that is the extent of it right now.
We recover stolen cars so many times a day its not even funny. The reality is, these auto thefts (and other property-related crime) stem from the cities growing drug problem a lot of times. (contrary to PraxGTI's comment) The drug houses and what not that we bust are a huge source of property crime. This is more considered 'un-organized' crime as there is no real profit being gained by the people who steal the cars. They simply steal them, joyride until the gas runs out and dump them for another one. Meanwhile causing the owners grief for several days ect. ect..
The idea of groups stealing cars to chop them, re-VIN them, or sell them illegally happens, but definately takes up a much smaller percentage of the cars that are stolen daily in Edmonton. I will try and find a stat for cars stolen and cars recovered. |
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| PraxGTI |
The problem isnt recovering stolen cars.
The problem is the people who steal them.
Personally, I would donate $1000 to setting up a bait car program. Problem is that when you start a program, they have to hire umteen million people that dont actually have anything to do with it.
Simple: Buy a couple crappy cars, throw in some stereo equipment, park it, wait in the bushes, capture asshole that tries to break in.
Problem is you start a "program" now there is a crapload of hidden "administration" that goes into it. |
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| curtis_rak |
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| droppedatbirth |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
heh well I know alot of diesel pickups come with 3-5" exhausts stock.. so maybe thats why they're fine...err not fined.
When I do my exhaust I'll probably have duel 2.5" tips on a 318. or 2.25".. haven't decided...
well i work at north americal diesel performance. i know these things are not stock and you can tell very easily. (i can almost fit my head into my boss's) and they've never been ticketed |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by droppedatbirth
well i work at north americal diesel performance. i know these things are not stock and you can tell very easily. (i can almost fit my head into my boss's) and they've never been ticketed
Heh.. I know Dodge 3500 diesels are a 4" stock.. the whole way... dunno bout chev and ford.
The thing is since diesels are naturally noisy alot of.. or rather a good number of diesel owners are getting away without running a muffler at all... |
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| fazza |
| i am also willign to donate 1000$ for that car theft thing , i am actually willing to work in that team. |
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| sparkycivic |
| while we are on the topic... has there ever been a ticket issued to a harley with dual 120 decibel massive flare pipes in the history of the edmonton pussy service? |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by sparkycivic
while we are on the topic... has there ever been a ticket issued to a harley with dual 120 decibel massive flare pipes in the history of the edmonton pussy service?
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| Honda_Finatic |
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| GOT BOOST |
quote:
Originally posted by fazza
i wanted to ask if cops actually look for a car that has been reproted stolen or they just call u if they accedently see the car?
and one more thing should'nt the police start spending money to prevent car theft and stuff like that ,instead of sticking camera's in garbege bins ?
Hi Fazza,
Interesting question however I am affraid I dissagree with your second point. Why should the police spend tax payers money to prevent autotheft? The prevention I feel is the responsibility of the owner and operator of the vehicle. Vehicle owners have many options avaliable to them to help prevent vehicle theft. However at the end of the day if someone wants to take your vehicle bad enough, they will get your vehicle. This is why I pay insurance. Yes there is only so much one can do, but if one puts preventative measures in place to help reduce the risk, or make the vehicle more difficult to steal, then this should help reduce the problem.
The bait car program is a good idea BC has in place. However to have a "crappy" car ready to be stolen with the police hiding in bushes ready to catch them is not exactly a economical use of resources. As Curtis had mentioned there is alot of funding put into place for this. I highly doubt that the insurace companies in Alberta would be willing to spend however many thousands of dollars and the cost in time for administrating this program. Perhaps if it was a Government sponsored program then we would likely see some results or something put into place, however as long as the Government keeps out of it, it will be along time before we see something like this in place.
That is just my $0.02
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| Tech2 |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
The prevention I feel is the responsibility of the owner and operator of the vehicle.
I don't agree with that at all. It's not the carjacked person's fault they got jacked, it's not the woman's (or man's) person's fault they got raped, and it's not the murdered's fault they got killed. When I steal my own car, THAT's when it's my fault.
Having said that, you do need to protect yourself and your possesions.
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
Vehicle owners have many options avaliable to them to help prevent vehicle theft.
I don't think this is a good attitute to take either, because back to the first point, the stuff should'nt be taken in the first place.
Put these two points together and you will get criminals using the "It wasn't locked up enough so it must have wanted to give it to me" defence, which would work becasue there was a better way to prevent the theft.
Not to mention the use of violence as a means of property protection. As fun and fullfilling as it is to kick someone's ass for a crime, vigilantiism 's not really the best way to prevent crime, compared to removing the motivation for stealing in the first place (good luck with that). Sure feels nice though.
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
That is just my $0.02
And that was just mine. :) |
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Originally posted by Tech2
I don't agree with that at all. It's not the carjacked person's fault they got jacked, it's not the woman's (or man's) person's fault they got raped, and it's not the murdered's fault they got killed. When I steal my own car, THAT's when it's my fault.
Having said that, you do need to protect yourself and your possesions.
I don't think this is a good attitute to take either, because back to the first point, the stuff should'nt be taken in the first place.
Put these two points together and you will get criminals using the "It wasn't locked up enough so it must have wanted to give it to me" defence, which would work becasue there was a better way to prevent the theft.
Not to mention the use of violence as a means of property protection. As fun and fullfilling as it is to kick someone's ass for a crime, vigilantiism 's not really the best way to prevent crime, compared to removing the motivation for stealing in the first place (good luck with that). Sure feels nice though.
And that was just mine. :)
Hi Tech2,
Good post. :D
I suppose I should specify. Having your car stolen out of a parking lot while you are shopping and having it stolen via Carjacking are two different circumstances with the same end result.
As for the rest of your comment in your first paragraph, I agree with your comment. However I can not really comment on that as I do not know the specifics around each incident. Each person is in a different state of mind when they do things.
Inregards to my comment on the different options avaliable to the vehicle owners, you have items such as car alarms. Yes, some are better than others. There are also ignition imobilization systems, there is the club. There is also something that locks your brake and gas pedal in a certain position. Some of these options are more tedious to execute than others. However if there has been some what of an attempt I believe this will deter most want to be thieves. However I bring you back to my point of if someone wants a vehicle bad enough, then they will aquire it via what ever means they feel are necessary.
I agree it may be difficult to remove the motivation to have a particular vehicle stolen, but if it appears difficult to steal, then it may deter most thiefs. Same applies to having ones vehicle broken into. Would one leave their CD's, wallet, cash and a bag visable for all to see when they leave the car? By taking precautions and cleaning that junk up or removing it out if sight, this makes an excellent deterent. However if one decides to park their ride and they are advertising their stereo by blasting it shortly before they park, the deterent may not be so effective, as a new motivation for stealing has arised. :lol: To me it is all about smart choices. However one can not win all the battles.
Thanks for chiming in on this one. :D
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| PraxGTI |
GotBoost,
Fact is: the underlying problem is criminals. They might start out stealing vehicles, but who knows...rape? Murder? what is in store for the "Beginner criminals".
I think it should be the owner of the bodies responsibility to not get murdered or raped. There are plenty of options, mace, handguns, knives...they have plenty of options and tax payers shouldnt have to waste their money protecting people that dress provocitivly and make themselves targets. :rolleyes:
Getting rid of crime doesnt seem like a waste of tax payers money to me. I pay tax, I want it put towards some bait cars.
If you just brush off auto-theft as being "not worth taxpayers time" then how about I brush off the rape-murders and not being worth the tax payers time...how much time and investigation goes into murders that never get solved? So why dont we just say "there arent enough murders to worry about, it isnt a serious enough problem to waste money on...we should hand out traffic violations like underglow and exhausts, cause that is what is important to tax paying citizens is keeping the rice off the streets"
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by PraxGTI
GotBoost,
Fact is: the underlying problem is criminals. They might start out stealing vehicles, but who knows...rape? Murder? what is in store for the "Beginner criminals".
I think it should be the owner of the bodies responsibility to not get murdered or raped. There are plenty of options, mace, handguns, knives...they have plenty of options and tax payers shouldnt have to waste their money protecting people that dress provocitivly and make themselves targets. :rolleyes:
Getting rid of crime doesnt seem like a waste of tax payers money to me. I pay tax, I want it put towards some bait cars.
If you just brush off auto-theft as being "not worth taxpayers time" then how about I brush off the rape-murders and not being worth the tax payers time...how much time and investigation goes into murders that never get solved? So why dont we just say "there arent enough murders to worry about, it isnt a serious enough problem to waste money on...we should hand out traffic violations like underglow and exhausts, cause that is what is important to tax paying citizens is keeping the rice off the streets"
Crime is Crime my friend. It needs to be eliminated.
Hi PraxGTI,
I think I came accross the wrong way. I am all for having some form of punishment for criminals. The thing with the bait car is that from the videos I have watched it seems like some small time crooks stealing a vehicle. I think the resources of the police would be better spent having that money redirected to more officers on the street, and or having more officers directed to specialzed task forces. In an ideal world where money (funding) was not an issue i would be all for the bait car and having more officers for enforcement. I think with more officers on the street there is a greater likelyhood of them finding out more things on a routine traffic stop.
I see what you are saying with the small time crooks taking a turn towards the murder or rape side. However life is unpredictable. Changes in ones life can make them change into something or someone else. As for your comment on the owners of the bodies, yes, there is only so much one can do. This is why I made a point of adressing precautionary measures. However in the real world people do not always think.
I agree with you, getting rid of crime is not a waste of taxpayers money. I never said that. I was refering that there are more effective ways of diverting funding. Yes crime is crime and must be dealt with.
My post was not intended in anyway shape or form to offend you and I appologize if it came accross that way. You have your opinion and I respect that. I too have mine.
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| fazza |
wut i ment in my post is that money that is going into the police department can be spent in another ( usefull) way, i meen the camera's in garbage bins thing toke 3.2 mill out of the budget , could'nt they have spent that money in a better way , even if they dont do bait cars they could get more officers on the road , they can have more undercover officers to find chop shops in edmonton.say the police dont even wanna spen more money on this , they can tell a bunch of there officers to look around for a stolen car instead waste there time eating donuts .cops realy dont care about stolen cars, when my car was stolen there was a prelude beside were my car was parked , it turned out to be a stolen car, after 2 hrs of waiting in the parking lot the cops never showed up to pick up the car even tho it was on and unlocked.
see i come from a country in the middle east (syria ) wich is concedered to be a 3rd world country were suposedly crime is all over the country, i lived there half my life but i never heard of a car stolen , never heard of a tenager killed by other tennnagers,and our cops back home r payed sooooo little but they still manage to do a good job . in my opinion i think the reason for rising crime in edmonton is that the police dont know how to punish the people who comet crime, like for example a person who gets charged with grand theft auto, his punishment is a 3000$ ticket and 2 months in jail at the max , that person doesnt realy care about 2 months of his life and certainly does'nt care about 3000$ bcz he can makes that in 1 week STEELING CARS.all the cops in edmonton go all out on street races , they have special units to prevent them , do they realy think that street racing is that big of a deal , ya we get speeding tickets and other kinds of tickets but i dont cause damege to someones property that is worth more than 15000$ and 1000hrs of work. i am not blaming the police for not stoping all crime in edmonton i am blaming them for spending more time and money on little crime like speeding tickets . |
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| GOT BOOST |
Hi Fazza,
I now see where you are coming from. I agree with some of your points but not all.
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wut i ment in my post is that money that is going into the police department can be spent in another ( usefull) way, i meen the camera's in garbage bins thing toke 3.2 mill out of the budget , could'nt they have spent that money in a better way , even if they dont do bait cars they could get more officers on the road , they can have more undercover officers to find chop shops in edmonton.say the police dont even wanna spen more money on this , they can tell a bunch of there officers to look around for a stolen car
Yes I agree with you on that point mostly. However I imagine it is very difficult and time consuming to look for stolen vehicles. Ie) if the Police are searching parking lots for stolen vehicles that could take them hours to search a parking lot depending on the size of the lot and how many cars are in it. I think Britain has something to the effect where the Bobbies (Police) have a van or some sort of vehicle which has a camera attached to it. The main purpose of the camera is to scan licence plates and feed them to the computer. This will process which vehicles are stolen and which are not. This of course will work only the vehicle has been reported stolen. Yes there are some flaws to it as if the plate has been changed. The camera reads hundreds of plated an hour as the Bobbies drive up and down the roads, residental and main roads. I seem to recall the EPS wanting to institute something like this, or maybe they are already. I think this would be a better alternative as the processing time is quicker.
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in my opinion i think the reason for rising crime in edmonton is that the police dont know how to punish the people who comet crime, like for example a person who gets charged with grand theft auto, his punishment is a 3000$ ticket and 2 months in jail at the max , that person doesnt realy care about 2 months of his life and certainly does'nt care about 3000$ bcz he can makes that in 1 week STEELING CARS
With any city as the population rises crime too will increase. I see where you are going with your statement. I agree, tougher punishments for crimes, however with our current legal system in place it takes along time for a conviction and sentancing, when the sentance is handed down, the sentance is usually less than sub par. I think there are not enough resources and funding avaliable for this.
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do they realy think that street racing is that big of a deal , ya we get speeding tickets and other kinds of tickets but i dont cause damege to someones property that is worth more than 15000$ and 1000hrs of work. i am not blaming the police for not stoping all crime in edmonton i am blaming them for spending more time and money on little crime like speeding tickets
Here is where I dissagree with you. With vehicles travelling at a high rate of speed and if there is a collision, the costs can be high. Asides from vehicle repair, there is also property damage, bodily injury, damage to other vehicles if one bounces off a few cars, body damage or death to innocent bystanders. The costs of this can be quite high. I have also not touched on Emergency response fees, hospital fees, medicentre fees. The list can go on and on.
With routine traffic stops or speeding tickets this provides the officers to potentially uncover other items that they may not have uncovered with a photo radar device. Ie) Outstanding warrants, weapons, drugs, DUI driver, etc.
Sorry to hear your car was stolen. I hope it is found soon.
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Well a year or so ago, my mom had an 82 Tercel.. it was having minor issues, and my mom got a replacement car so we where giving the tercel to kidney car... the night before I took the plate off and stuck it in the rear window so it would be quicker come morning when the tow truck where to arrive.
Now everybody in the neighbour hood knew the car was ours, come morning we get a call saying the tow truck would be there in half an hour so I run out, double check the car's ready to go, pull the plate out, bring the registration inside, etc, etc.. not 2 min after I pull the plate off the rear dash and cop car rolls up.
I run out with the registration in hand to explain that a tow truck would be there any minute to take it to kidney car(hoping to avoid a ticket for parking a car with no plates on the road) and he said "Oh well we get alot of stolen cars dumped in this neighbour hood."
To which at the time was BS.
My understanding of the bait car program is that cops aren't hiding in bushes, but when the car is stolen, it basically calls 911 or reports back to it's base and they send the closest cruiser after it and on request of the officer in the cruiser turn off the engine. |
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| PraxGTI |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
My post was not intended in anyway shape or form to offend you and I appologize if it came accross that way. You have your opinion and I respect that. I too have mine.
Mike Nikolai
Your opinion is just as valid as mine.
But having more police officers on the streets doesnt seem to really stop a lot of crime from happening.
You have to lure the crooks into a trap.
Just how photo radar and the open road lures in speed violators, how undercover cops soliciting sex works against prostitution.
I say, put ads in the paper for hired killers and/or helping little old rich lady or something to lure murderers, use women that look underage but arent to lure in pedophiles, use drug sales to lure druggies, etc etc.
You cant just drive around waiting for crime to happen, if you give crime an opportunity that seems to good to pass up, they will take it and will get nabbed. Criminals are stupid.
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| PraxGTI |
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Originally posted by fazza
i am blaming them for spending more time and money on little crime like speeding tickets .
Exactly. Problem #1. We live in a capitolist society that encourages things like the police force to take the 1000 little things in order to make as much money as possible, instead of putting the time and effort towards what counts.
They could definitly spend more time and effort in other places other than handing out tickets for things that DONT CAUSE PROBLEMS (Tint, exhaust, etc.)
Our capitolist laws are based on making money. We need to change out government and our society...but guess what, as long as everybody loves money as much as I do, were screwed and nothing will change. |
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| inglewood |
basically what i'm getting from this thread is that people think every police officer should focus on major crimes ONLY and that traffic should not be enforced...might be good for a while...but, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO AFRICA OR ANY COUNTRY/CONTINENT WITH UNENFORCED TRAFFIC LAWS???????
It's fucking hell there because people can't drive! The person with the bigger car (or truck) wins...always. Even if you're a more aggressive driver, if your car is smaller, you lose, cuz you'll just get run over.
There's a reason traffic laws are enforced, and it's for our safety.
Minor point about criminals and stopping crime...simple solution:
-give government unrestricted power with death penalty for any type of social disobedience...
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| ehos |
Baitcar program too expensive?
Good thing we live in the poorest province. Where the government can afford to give everyone $400 EACH. There's something wrong when Alberta can't 'afford' better policing.
Also, I totally disagree that photoradar/tint/exhaust tickets are a money grab. It's selective police enforcement, not a money grab. :) |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by ehos
Baitcar program too expensive?
Good thing we live in the poorest province. Where the government can afford to give everyone $400 EACH. There's something wrong when Alberta can't 'afford' better policing.
Also, I totally disagree that photoradar/tint/exhaust tickets are a money grab. It's selective police enforcement, not a money grab. :)
When they put up a red light camera and shorten the length of the yellow... it's a money grab. |
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