| droppedatbirth |
i'm pretty sure its legal and everything im just not sure and trying to clarify everything. is it illegal or legal to have a bulletproof vest?
if its illegal than wow now i don't have one :D
if its legal than would someone be interested in buying a slightly used bulletproof vest? |
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| nis_mo |
| easy fiddy cents, im pretty sure they are illegal, why would you need one anyway? you slanging rocks in tha hood?? |
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| droppedatbirth |
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Originally posted by nis_mo
easy fiddy cents, im pretty sure they are illegal, why would you need one anyway? you slanging rocks in tha hood??
:p no i have my reasons. and definetly not to look like 50 cent. i knew i would get that one |
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| Big Bad Bruce |
| I dont think they are that illegal, i seen some in millarm the other week when i was in edmonton. but iam not 100% sure. It pretty fucked up if you cant own one, we should have the right to protect ypurself. |
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| bigmack000 |
| i think there is restiction on who can buy them. like ebay sellers will only sell vests to police/security/ milatary personal. i foudn a few years back. and lots of shops do the same thing. they are just trying to keep the bad guys from being bullet proof . so How did you get one and why do you have one lol, and constitutes as slightly used ? |
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| droppedatbirth |
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Originally posted by Big Bad Bruce
I dont tihnk they are that illegal, i seen some in millarm the other week when i was in edmonton. but iam not 100% sure. It pretty fucked up if you cant own one, we should have the right to protect your self
thats why i was clarifying.....i'm thinking that way....but maybe they're illegal cause then the cops can't take you down....well one that can't shoot |
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| SketchifisT |
Well all i know is a guy that was playin paintball like 3-4 years ago had a full kevlar vest but i dont know what his job was. In the end he was really silly for usin it, because paintball you want a cushion not a solid peice of kevlar.
But yeah i dont think any jo smo can buy one at kmart due to the fact it would suck for the cops |
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| droppedatbirth |
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Originally posted by bigmack000
i think there is restiction on who can buy them. like ebay sellers will only sell vests to police/security/ milatary personal. i foudn a few years back. and lots of shops do the same thing. they are just trying to keep the bad guys from being bullet proof . so How did you get one and why do you have one lol, and constitutes as slightly used ?
its not stolen or anything. i had bought it off someone who used to be one of the guards that protect the brinks trucks. i was going to cut it down to pieces and use the kevlar for a little project i had. no longer doing it. seeing if anyone had a use for it?
and by used basically the only thing thats wrong is it seems theres a couple threads loose on the left side shoulder...think its just normal wear. |
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| droppedatbirth |
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Originally posted by SketchifisT
Well all i know is a guy that was playin paintball like 3-4 years ago had a full kevlar vest but i dont know what his job was. In the end he was really silly for usin it, because paintball you want a cushion not a solid peice of kevlar.
But yeah i dont think any jo smo can buy one at kmart due to the fact it would suck for the cops
they can stick big ass tips on the tiburon and i can't stick shit on my car. they can have kevlar vest. i can't? c'mon wheres the equality |
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| droppedatbirth |
| to who are interested: will trade for pink razr. thats right. pink. |
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| hAxOr |
Not to long ago I was told by police officers that possesing those vest unless your Parmedic or police officer and getting caught would be treated as a possable act of terorism.
Is that still true or was it ever true? |
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| Kirill |
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Originally posted by hAxOr
Not to long ago I was told by police officers that possesing those vest unless your Parmedic or police officer and getting caught would be treated as a possable act of terorism.
Is that still true or was it ever true?
I really doubt thats true, they sell them at army suplus stores. It might though riase a concern as to why one would feel the need to wear it in public. |
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| inglewood |
| yes you can possess bullet proof vests...i KNOW FOR A FACT. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by inglewood
yes you can possess bullet proof vests...i KNOW FOR A FACT.
Holy CAPSLOCK BATMAN!!! You didn't capitalize the only letter that should have been in the sentance.
I have a vest. Bulletproof is kind of misleading though. If you got it off a Brink's guy, then it's a level 2 soft armour, capable of stopping any pistol up to a .50 caliber, and any shotgun.
Mine is the same, level 2 soft armour, except I have a ceramic plate in the rear so people can't stab me from behind at work...
And my curiosity gets ahold of me here... why did you buy one? |
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| 86SilverFox |
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And my curiosity gets ahold of me here... why did you buy one?
lol i was thinking the same thing. from what i know they are legal, one of my buddies has one and he was told they are legal by a cop. |
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| bluSRT |
Why dont you just give the cop shop a call and ask?
A level 2 will stop a 50 cal? I doubt it |
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| S2KPWR |
Bulletproof and fragmentation are different. I'm assuming you have a frag vest, which most people think are bulletproof.
Frag vests will stop basically handguns ,
any rifle 7.62mm or larger will punch right through.
and 95talon, the ballistic plate should stop 7.62 in your case not for knives. lol..
If you just have a kevlar vest it shouldnt be illegal, seeing how most motorbike jackets are mostly kevlar now.
I know this cause i've taken various vests to the range, and done "tests" if you will. |
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| bluSRT |
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Originally posted by S2KPWR
Bulletproof and fragmentation are different. I'm assuming you have a frag vest, which most people think are bulletproof.
Frag vests will stop basically handguns ,
any rifle 7.62mm or larger will punch right through.
and 95talon, the ballistic plate should stop 7.62 in your case not for knives. lol..
If you just have a kevlar vest it shouldnt be illegal, seeing how most motorbike jackets are mostly kevlar now.
Army goof :rolleyes:
:lol: :D :D |
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| S2KPWR |
fah-q..:asshole:
lol |
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| S2KPWR |
| referring to my last post, I should say a 5.56mm round shoudl penetrate the vest aswell, and talon, I wouldnt want to test it out against a .50cal desert eagle.. lol |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by bluSRT
Why dont you just give the cop shop a call and ask?
A level 2 will stop a 50 cal? I doubt it
The vest will catch the bullet. But it will kill you nonetheless from the impact. Like shotgun slugs. The vest'll catch 'em, but you're just a nice clean corpse...
The plate will stop a 5.56 and a 7.62 as well, but I'm not terribly worried about those around here. The main reason I wear it is for knives. The kevlar won't stop a blade, so if someone sneaks up behind me, at least I have some sort of chance. |
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| hAxOr |
| I wunder if I was to get a vest and wear it when I go to a courthouse if I would get aressted? |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
No Armor is 100% stab proof.
A 'stab-proof' vest will protect you from the vast majority of hand-delivered knife and / or spike threats you are ever likely to face. But there is always a tradeoff between more protection and more wearability (and the constraint to stay within your budget). Please know that:
axes, hatchets, digging picks, etc.
claw hammers, crowbars, etc.
bayonets mounted on rifles
spears, lances, etc.
unusually strong pressure or force behind the stab blow
and/or other unusual weapons or situations...
CAN defeat any Stab-Resistant body armor.
Also, at some angles weapons can slide, or deflect off the edges of Body Armor. Furthermore, impacts that are successfully stopped by the vest will always produce some level of injury, resulting in severe bruising, broken bones, and possibly serious internal injury or even death. Stab-Resistant vests defeat most common threats, but NO vest on earth makes you invulnerable. To state the obvious, getting stabbed ALWAYS carries some risk.
Level II-A is the minimum reccommended level of protection, but a level II vest is built as 22 layers Kevlar® 129 as rated by the Nationail Institude of Justice will stop a 9 mm FMJ, at ~1,175 fps
minimum and maximum .357 JSP at ~ 1,395 fps and blunt trauma protection, versus cost, and thickness / comfort / concealability. Handles the blunt trauma of higher velocity +P rounds better.
III-A is ~30+ layers Kevlar® 129, will stop 9 mm FMJ at ~1,400 fps to .44 Magnum at ~1,400 fps 1,400 fps is to cover the velocity of 9 mm FMJ from a submachine gun. The highest blunt trauma protection rating in soft body armor. The best for very high-risk situations to cover more of the uncommon or unusual threats.
Minimizes blunt trauma injury to allow more effective return fire.
Vests provide excellent protection against most SLASHING attacks - but are not as effective against THRUSTING attacks with daggers or ice picks.
Pointed and streamlined objects such as an ice picks, arrowheads, and knives, etc. can penetrate if THRUST with enough force. Because of the “pointedness” they can get in-between the Kevlar® or aramid fiber weave to penetrate. We do offer some of our models with a special aramid weave to provide stab-resistant AND ballistic protection.
Obviously having any ballistic vest on is better than nothing between you and a knife attack – but it is not as "bullet-proof" as the pistol protection offered.
Given the choice, I'm with 95EagleAWD on this one, I'd like to atleast has some chance rather than none.
My $.02 :) |
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| 95EagleAWD |
Our most realistic threat on my job is the desperate person who rushes you outside of Safeway or Best Buy after picking up there. So chances are it's going to be a small pistol, and the guy probably won't know how to shoot. So for that threat, body armour is worth it's weight in gold.
The first thing I'd do if someone rushed me with a gun would be to just fire the bag of money I have right at him. Give him what he wants, and he probably won't try and shoot you. That said, though, the first thing we do AFTER throwing the bag away is to take cover and see if it's realistic to engage this target.
Now, without blowing my horn too much here, I'm a damn good shot. I'd challenge anyone for a 100 round pistol match for a case of beer. So for me, I have a lot of confidence that I'm not going to put bullets into the store walls behind him.
If you're going to do an armoured car robbery the RIGHT way, our vests won't make a difference. They'd have heavy weapons and be wearing body armour themselves. We're supposed to be replacing our .38 revolvers with .40 caliber Glocks (the same model as EPS) but it's expensive. We also get Law Enforcement magazines for them, so it's 15 rounds per mag instead of 10. :D A lot of us younger guys working there are campaigning for replacing the shotguns with a high powered rifle as well. The Edmonton Max prison uses AR-15s with hollowpoint rounds, and that's what we want. Enough to pierce soft body armour and do damage to someone without penetrating the target and hitting mom behind him.
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I wunder if I was to get a vest and wear it when I go to a courthouse if I would get aressted?
I highly doubt those cheery chaps at CAPS would let you into their courthouse wearing a vest. They are Peace Officers and would probably question why you're wearing it. |
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| Transporter |
| if u can legally own a gun u can own the armour |
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| S2000_rider |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Now, without blowing my horn too much here, I'm a damn good shot. I'd challenge anyone for a 100 round pistol match for a case of beer.
I'll be up for that for sure. The next 2 months I'll be in and out of Edmonton so this is kind of really early notice but touch base with me or vice versa and will setup a date to meet at the Phoenix Gun Range. We use 9 mil handguns and if you don't mind, let's make it 50 rounds instead of a 100. Do you have membership at the Phoenix? If not, then it's gonna cost you around $40 bucks for the gun, 50 rounds, target and use of the range...expensive I know but the guns are really clean unlike the shitty range at WEM. Phoenix has glocks, berretas and I beleive a couple of P19 specials. I've used all these guns and they are great! Anyhow, how about this. Instead of a case of beer (sorry, I don't drink), how about the loser pays for the winners cost at the Range ie. around $40.
If you're okay with this, let's keep in touch and we should do this some time in early Feb (far away I know so consider it an early heads up :D ) |
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| 2003specv |
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Originally posted by S2000_rider
Phoenix has glocks, berretas and I beleive a couple of P19 specials.
And a DE .50 that kicks like a mule.:p To damn expensive though, $5 a round. Glad I wasn't paying. |
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| S2000_rider |
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Originally posted by 2003specv
And a DE .50 that kicks like a mule.:p To damn expensive though, $5 a round. Glad I wasn't paying.
Ah yes, one of Israeli's finest and quite popular handgun...if you can even call it one. When a person pulls out a DE he/she only has one thing in my mind...it's not to stop the person or injure them, it's to flat out kill. Nice looking gun but pretty damn impractical in my opinion. |
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| GQsmooth |
| 95talon - so do you wear your vest 24/7?:lol: |
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| 2003specv |
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Originally posted by S2000_rider
Nice looking gun but pretty damn impractical in my opinion.
Definetly a nice gun but you are right about impractical. Too much kick, too heavy, too big, blah blah.... I'd still like one if I had a spare 2k burning a hole in my pocket. :)
The only use I can think of for a pistol like that would be bears. I'd rather have a rifle if I needed that kind of stopping power for people. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by GQsmooth
95talon - so do you wear your vest 24/7?:lol:
Nah, you sweat like a bitch in the summer with 'em... Kevlar don't breathe too well :p
S2000_rider: PM me... Brink's has a membership at Phoenix, and I might be able to swindle a 9mm. :D |
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| chris f |
| Well it so happens i was in a calss where they were showing what the army was trialing for frag vests for the army, frist option was two ceramic plates for a kevlar frag vest, much much duffrent then what the cops wear, so the shot at it at 300m with 6 rounds 5.56 and six 7.62, none went through, then someone said whe dont we use what the cops have, swat mainly, shot it with the same rounds everyone went clean through, diffrance the one the army uses weights 20lbs easy, when i was overseas i had alot of faith in the vest. |
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| sarkat |
| hey how much you asking and how big is it |
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| S2KPWR |
| HOLY back from the dead!:thumbup: |
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| Altezza |
| love seeing old school posts haha |
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