| 2HIGH~PSI |
| Im debating selling the porsche and 300zx for a Mkiv Supra TT, good idea? |
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| bigmack000 |
| i would stick to what you got man . :) unless you jsut wnats a supe fast car then get the supra |
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| S2KPWR |
| how much would you sell the porsche for? |
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| dc2696 |
| change is good, supras are better:thumbup: can you say 800hp on a stock bottom end? lol |
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| Marcenator |
Do it man!!!
Come over to the dark side.
You won't be dissapointed:D |
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| noriceforme |
| yeah supra are just as classy as any porsche and faster then most! |
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| ChromeDragon |
| I thought the Boxster was your rent's?:dunno: |
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| DSM |
| A MKIV Supra is one of my dream cars so I say do it. |
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| Nightstalker |
quote:
Originally posted by ChromeDragon
I thought the Boxster was your rent's?:dunno:
As did I, I remember hearing that more then a few times. and the supra has more class then a boxster.. But its no porshe GT3. Sorry.
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| shawley |
quote:
Originally posted by ChromeDragon
I thought the Boxster was your rent's?:dunno:
i thought he was buying it from his dad, or buying out the lease or some shit,
i dunno
SUPRA ALL THE WAY TJ |
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| seevik |
| DONT SELL THE 300ZX MAN thast like the nicest car not for a supra anyways |
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| DelSoln |
| I would make the trade. It's one of the few cars that pretty much doesn't depreciate. Not to mention there are probably less then 5 in Edmonton. A real attention grabber for sure. |
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| dsl55 |
| I like the MKIV, but I'd rather have that GT3 coupe! Anyways I think thr MKIV would go under appreciated in this city as only the enthusiasts would truely care, as an attention grabber. Whereas the average joe says' hey a porsche badge! wow... even if it is lesser than a MKIV supra. |
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| shawley |
quote:
Originally posted by DelSoln
I would make the trade. It's one of the few cars that pretty much doesn't depreciate. Not to mention there are probably less then 5 in Edmonton. A real attention grabber for sure.
theres more than 5
theres a few white ones, i've seen 3, one with a/m wheels no tint, one with no tint just stock, and one tinted out crazy dark, all white ones
then theres a blue auto one that followed me to my house one day to talk about my car
then lyric (think its his name) his red one
and i know i've seen a few others around the city |
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| Fish_e_o |
quote:
I would make the trade. It's one of the few cars that pretty much doesn't depreciate.
the porshce doesn't really depreciate either. providing you didn't buy it new it should be worth around what you payed for it...
can't really say i like the supra anyway but hey thats my opinion drive one and see what you like more:dunno:
but than again twin turbos... if you work on it it could be crazy fast
dude clear choice (if i was in your shoes)... porsche... there is no substitute
(but you could sell the 300zx and put the money into the porsche..) |
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| stealth |
quote:
Originally posted by shawley
theres more than 5
theres a few white ones, i've seen 3, one with a/m wheels no tint, one with no tint just stock, and one tinted out crazy dark, all white ones
then theres a blue auto one that followed me to my house one day to talk about my car
then lyric (think its his name) his red one
and i know i've seen a few others around the city
And one real pimp one on this board, that has a full kit, rims and cf hood:thumbup: |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| a boxter doesnt contend with a TT IMO |
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| DelSoln |
quote:
Originally posted by shawley
theres more than 5
theres a few white ones, i've seen 3, one with a/m wheels no tint, one with no tint just stock, and one tinted out crazy dark, all white ones
then theres a blue auto one that followed me to my house one day to talk about my car
then lyric (think its his name) his red one
and i know i've seen a few others around the city
Oh cool I guess I just haven't been lucky enough to spot them all. I'd love to see this blue one you are talking about. By the way any idea if the twin turbo only came in standard or was there one for an auto as well? |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by DelSoln
Oh cool I guess I just haven't been lucky enough to spot them all. I'd love to see this blue one you are talking about. By the way any idea if the twin turbo only came in standard or was there one for an auto as well?
Auto as well i believe. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| yes they came in auto.. i havent seen the blue one yet..ive seen a black one a red one and two white ones. so im pretty sure there are more then 5 in edmonton |
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| 2HIGH~PSI |
i just see the supra as more potential in the "tuner" world, but there is a tight supercharger for the boxster :limpwrist i also really really like the new carrera S but then again going with a new porsche is stupid expensive, also weissach in vancouver has a yellow GT3 for sale, and its been for sale for awhile, so i think they might be willing to do some negotiating..but i donno
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| youngbex |
| supra, you have basically UNLIMILITED potential |
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| HeavyEarly87T |
This would depend on what you wanted to say about yourself by owning the type of car:
Porsche:
- I bought a badge that is well known for its prestige and performance.
- I have an entry level, high end car that people know on sight.
- Porsche; cause it will get me great sex.
- This is classed as a great sports car.
- Can be modded for more hp with warrantee.
- Expensive dealer support rates.
Supra MKiv
- I bought a car few people really know what it is.
- I own the highest level of performance this brand produces.
- Toyota; cause great sex is over-rated.
- This is classed as a super car.
- Can be modded for extreme power at own risk.
- Most dealers have no idea how to fix’em and you will have to do the work yourself or pay extra for it.
If I were only allowed to choose from the two, I would go for the Porsche. I am shallow and self-centered enough to want people to know I am shallow and self-centered. The Supra sends the wrong message about self-reliance and modest pride. What is the point of having a “big stick” if nobody ever sees it? |
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| 2HIGH~PSI |
| haha...im just interested in the supra because it has alot of potential and i wouldnt mind doin the work myself....i cant really do any work on the porsche, and if i tried and messed something up, well then it would cost big $$$ to fix it..while the supra, if i mess something up, its a less expensive car overall...plus the porsche is going to depreciate more than the supra will.. |
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| ehrgeiz |
I wouldn't get an MKIV Supra, bang for the buck the car is simply overrated.
Well the car may not depreciate that much, you're still paying 30+ (average price I've seen locally in that past couple years) for a car thats over 10 years old. It just wouldn't sit well with me personally, but hey these are just my opinions.
I'd be looking at selling both and upgrading to a better Porsche. |
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| HeavyEarly87T |
In reality there is a ton of good dealer support for the MKiv. That motor moved into the Lexus line for a long while before it was replaced.
The Supra, at some point, will actually appreciate with time. I have spoken with many “older” Supra owners who feel that the Mkiii and Mkiv Supra’s may become like the Cuda’s & Mustang’s are today. Well loved, well remembered. Ask around and everybody remembers a buddy/friend/uncle who had a Supra of some nature and loved it.
You say you are running a Mkiii or Mkiv Supra and people automatically have some respect for the car and it’s abilities. Even if it is just because they saw it in a movie once.
There was a white 98 listed on here last summer by SXN. I think he still has it and may still be thinking of selling. Very nice car with excellent work done on it. I think it has the 6 speed tranny swap done….a nice and rare option. Maybe PM him to see if he’s still selling. It is worth the look.
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Edmonton Supra Club Prez Dude.
www.supraclub.ca
EDit: Bang for buck is really subjective cause I have a 86 Saab turbo sitting around that I could push some killer numbers out of for less than the cost of new tires on the Porsche. It is more of what you want the car to say about you. Thats my way of looking at it. (note: the above mentioned Sabb would say that I am into cheap thrills that could take my life. Sweet!) |
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| NTM |
Supra for sure if you have the pockets for it.
Buy in isn't bad, but for really impressive power, and the driveline/suspension upgrades to go with it, you better have deep pockets (and the know how to do at least some of the work yourself).
There is also the matter of requiring c12 or better for 500+rwhp boost levels. That makes a trip to the pumps really painful !
Stock or even mildly modified, on pump gas, it's no better than a 300zx with a few mods.
But lord I hate boxsters, definitally sell that ! |
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| ~30oZ~ |
Hey TJ,
You could always sell the boxster and Z and get a TT 300ZX like you originally wanted:thumbup:...I think I need to take you for another rip lol...just to clear your head!;) but as for your topic...I would get the Supra!:) |
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| Sxn |
quote:
Originally posted by NTM
Supra for sure if you have the pockets for it.
Buy in isn't bad, but for really impressive power, and the driveline/suspension upgrades to go with it, you better have deep pockets (and the know how to do at least some of the work yourself).
There is also the matter of requiring c12 or better for 500+rwhp boost levels. That makes a trip to the pumps really painful !
Stock or even mildly modified, on pump gas, it's no better than a 300zx with a few mods.
But lord I hate boxsters, definitally sell that !
you're an idiot if you think a bpu 300zx compares to a bpu supra |
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| NTM |
quote:
Originally posted by Sxn
you're an idiot if you think a bpu 300zx compares to a bpu supra
Tt 300zx that is.
And yes, they are quite comparable when lightly modified. Neither one would be what I would consider fast, but they'd both be fairly quick. The difference between 320rwhp and 360rwhp is negligible in the grand scheme of things, with the supra costing twice as much. |
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| Sxn |
quote:
Originally posted by NTM
Tt 300zx that is.
And yes, they are quite comparable when lightly modified. Neither one would be what I would consider fast, but they'd both be fairly quick. The difference between 320rwhp and 360rwhp is negligible in the grand scheme of things, with the supra costing twice as much.
a supra with intake and exhaust will put out more than 360whp.
i dont think the 300zx puts out that much with exhaust and intake. |
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| NTM |
quote:
Originally posted by Sxn
a supra with intake and exhaust will put out more than 360whp.
i dont think the 300zx puts out that much with exhaust and intake.
No it won't, don't believe the hype :lol:
You'd have to do both and up the boost to even get to 360 rwhp.
Dollar for dollar until around 390 rwhp, they're very close.
Me, being the warped hp addict I am, I'd go for the supra and throw cubic dollars at it, no question. But If you're satisfied with between 300 and 400rwhp the 300zx makes more sense from a financial point of view. The potential you paid through the nose for, that is present in the supra, is wasted at those hp levels. |
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| Sxn |
quote:
Originally posted by NTM
No it won't, don't believe the hype :lol:
You'd have to do both and up the boost to even get to 360 rwhp.
Dollar for dollar until around 390 rwhp, they're very close.
Me, being the warped hp addict I am, I'd go for the supra and throw cubic dollars at it, no question. But If you're satisfied with between 300 and 400rwhp the 300zx makes more sense from a financial point of view. The potential you paid through the nose for, that is present in the supra, is wasted at those hp levels.
you just proved to me that you're no different than most of the other muscle car guys haha
i've seen it with my own eyes a supra pull more than 360 with intake and exhaust with no boost controller.
dyno read the boost at 13psi. |
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| NTM |
quote:
Originally posted by 95IntegraRS
Making power is expensive, period.
But, the BPU Supra Store kit makes a very convincing arguement:
http://www.suprastore.com/450hppackage.html
Those numbers are on c16 with the boost nutted.
14 pounds is all you can run on pump fuel, on the stock twins, before significant amounts of timing are pulled. Roughly 360-380rwhp. I'm not pulling these numbers out of my arse :lol:
Go hang around on supraforums, I've been looking at supras (as a project car) since before they became "popular" . A friend of mine also owns a '94tt.
quote:
Originally posted by Sxn
you just proved to me that you're no different than most of the other muscle car guys haha
i've seen it with my own eyes a supra pull more than 360 with intake and exhaust with no boost controller.
I call bull on that, maybe with the wastegate vacuum line pinholed :dunno: .
And I'm hardly like the other "mulletheads", I know exactly what a supra is capable of and what it's not. I respect a well modded bpu+ supra, but definitally don't fear it :D |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| Those numbers were produced on 94 octane. :thumbup: |
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| Sxn |
quote:
I call bull on that, maybe with the wastegate vacuum line pinholed :dunno: .
And I'm hardly like the other "mulletheads", I know exactly what a supra is capable of and what it's not. I respect a well modded bpu+ supra, but definitally don't fear it :D
you know what its capable of but yet you doubt it so much..
hahah
right away you predicted those numbers from the link were from race gas.
and the car i watched get dynoed was only at 13psi. |
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| ~30oZ~ |
boys, boys, boys, I'll settle this once and for all....300ZX TT OWNS the MK4....*flame suit activate*lol
but seriously I thought they were almost the same in terms of potential and very close in HP and torque numbers...:dunno: |
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| NTM |
quote:
Originally posted by Sxn
you know what its capable of but yet you doubt it so much..
hahah
right away you predicted those numbers from the link were from race gas.
and the car i watched get dynoed was only at 13psi.
That's not stock boost !
What do you guys think a stock supra dynoes at ?
Between 260-270rwhp.
Do you honestly think an air filter and exhaust will produce an extra 100rwhp ? :blink:
And as for that being 94 octane, something is smelly there, the norm for a bpu+++ supra is 380-400rwhp. Guys have managed 450-540rwhp on the stock twins but that is with every concievable bolt on (especially a large intercooler and/or alky injection) running on race fuel. The stock twins are far out of they're effeciency range at the cfm required to support 450+rwhp. The fun doesn't start until you bolt on a large single.
Again do a little research of what people are actually getting hp wise for given mods on some of the supra forums rather than taking a store's , that's in the business of selling it's parts, word for it.
Supras are nice cars with a strong short block. They have excellent potential. They are not magical, they will not make, and be able to use, big hp without a large transfusion of cash ! |
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| 95IntegraRS |
Oh I agree with you totally.
I just felt like proving you wrong. :thumbup: |
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| SketchifisT |
do what you want.. 300zx are nice TT ones but if you want the supra go for it... me i would save for a GT3 anyday like chrome showed but whatever if its ment to be then :D until then SKyline r34 baby :D
btwi voted yes to get the supra cause its just one of those omg cars but dont body kit it out .. |
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| HeavyEarly87T |
quote:
Originally posted by NTM
No it won't, don't believe the hype :lol:
You'd have to do both and up the boost to even get to 360 rwhp.
Dude! If it's dark and smells like poop...it's time to take your head out of your A$$.
Bench racing is for losers. Any car can be made to beat another and I don't think this is what this thread is about.
As for modification costs? It is still cheaper to mod a MKiv Supra than a MKiii. More parts are available. For the Mkiv, they may cost more but less are needed.
Just as a sub note. There will be a few Supras out this summer that will be attending some of the Bud Park nights. I think this will help resolve the misinformation floating around as to what car can do what.
As my grand-pappy used to say "Stop talking shit! That air is for boost!". I loved my grand-pappy God rest.... |
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| Inzane |
| I agree with most of what NTM is trying to tell you guys here (regarding Z vs. Mkiv). |
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| Sxn |
quote:
Originally posted by NTM
That's not stock boost !
What do you guys think a stock supra dynoes at ?
Between 260-270rwhp.
Do you honestly think an air filter and exhaust will produce an extra 100rwhp ? :blink:
the exhaust caused it to jump in boost.. not a boost controller.
stock boost is at 11.6psi. car went up tp 13psi at the time of the dyno. |
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| Sxn |
but back on topic,
i recommend 2high to stick with the 300zx and porsche
or get a 300TT. |
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| HeavyEarly87T |
quote:
Originally posted by Sxn
but back on topic,
i recommend 2high to stick with the 300zx and porsche
or get a 300TT.
After reading this I would have to agree.
Supra's are not for everyone. |
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| Nightstalker |
quote:
Originally posted by NTM
Do you honestly think an air filter and exhaust will produce an extra 100rwhp ? :blink:
Charger Guy does.. But only one his super mopar :p |
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| 2HIGH~PSI |
well if i keep the porsche and 300..i would prolly get a jdm TT engine and rebuild it myself aiming for something along the lines of 500hp....if a single turbo is needed..well then id do it, w\e
and if i go with the supra, then id be aiming for higher hp numbers along the lines of 600-650, and prolly going with a turbonetics or a garett single turbo conversion.
i just dont know:confused: :confused: :confused: |
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| No-Pistons |
| theres alot of time in life to own a porsche and all but the way i see it the supra is only going to be great car for the next 5-10 years or so so why not own one now while there still great cars to have. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| Id love to own a supra.. that is all |
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| crazyrx7 |
Alright lets educate some people. First of all a MKIV does not dyno at 380rwhp at 13psi of boost. The white one in town did dyno at 380rwhp but that was at 18psi of boost!!!!! Now that is all it can do without doing some major mods now. I talking about turbos, manifolds, tuning etc. Sure it cost relatively little money for modifing ($5329 gets you 550hp on top of the bpu bolt ons and not including doing your motor) which will give you about 475 rwhp. Now that sounds like a lot of power but for a mkiv to keep up with a 400rwhp fd you will need almost 550rwhp. That kind of puts it into perspective. The supra is great for making power. Its the japanese mustang/camaro. In the end its your/your dads money. Spend it with care.
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| Sxn |
quote:
Originally posted by crazyrx7
Alright lets educate some people. First of all a MKIV does not dyno at 380rwhp at 13psi of boost. The white one in town did dyno at 380rwhp but that was at 18psi of boost!!!!! Now that is all it can do without doing some major mods now. I talking about turbos, manifolds, tuning etc. Sure it cost relatively little money for modifing ($5329 gets you 550hp on top of the bpu bolt ons and not including doing your motor) which will give you about 475 rwhp. Now that sounds like a lot of power but for a mkiv to keep up with a 400rwhp fd you will need almost 550rwhp. That kind of puts it into perspective. The supra is great for making power. Its the japanese mustang/camaro. In the end its your/your dads money. Spend it with care.
R.K.
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
quote:
Originally posted by crazyrx7
Alright lets educate some people. First of all a MKIV does not dyno at 380rwhp at 13psi of boost. The white one in town did dyno at 380rwhp but that was at 18psi of boost!!!!! Now that is all it can do without doing some major mods now. I talking about turbos, manifolds, tuning etc. Sure it cost relatively little money for modifing ($5329 gets you 550hp on top of the bpu bolt ons and not including doing your motor) which will give you about 475 rwhp. Now that sounds like a lot of power but for a mkiv to keep up with a 400rwhp fd you will need almost 550rwhp. That kind of puts it into perspective. The supra is great for making power. Its the japanese mustang/camaro. In the end its your/your dads money. Spend it with care.
R.K.
were you at the dyno the day it dynod??? im almost 100% sure it was on 13psi. |
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| crazyrx7 |
No it was at 18psi.
R.K. |
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| SilviaDrifter |
| werent u gonna buy that supra rad? |
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| BB6SE |
quote:
Originally posted by crazyrx7
No it was at 18psi.
R.K.
no it was 13psi, there's many witnesses.
whiteH23 knows also.
and you cant run 18psi on 91 octane anyways. |
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| crazyrx7 |
I was also positive that it was 18psi. Thats what everyone was saying. Well then I retract my statements.
R.K. |
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| crazyrx7 |
BTW what do the factory turbos max out at?
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| BB6SE |
maybe you're mistaken for the red one that dynoed.
he was at 18psi.
the oem turbos max out at around 22psi.
but i wouldnt go more than 20psi |
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| crazyrx7 |
I know that one of the mkiv's dynoed at 380rwhp at 18 psi of boost. I think your right and it was the red one.
R.K. |
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| CryoSlash |
| mk4's are overrated ver since that damn movie. I love them to death but for 30k i would not do it unless it had some modificatiosn to it or low mileage. Well that is i dont have the money. thats why i have a different plan to get mine when the tiem rolls around :D |
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| Supra_devil |
quote:
Originally posted by CryoSlash
mk4's are overrated ver since that damn movie. I love them to death but for 30k i would not do it unless it had some modificatiosn to it or low mileage. Well that is i dont have the money. thats why i have a different plan to get mine when the tiem rolls around :D
they are expensive, but they were damn close to 90K new, so they have dropped in price a fair bit. Once they are legal to import from Jap the price will have to drop to sell them at all, the Jap ones will be much cheaper to buy.
I would say go supra, they are less common, can be much faster, have more room to work on the engine. And i saw a single turbo mk4 at suprafest, 71mm compressor wheel, mmmmm, it was sexy. But it had a fair bit more room in the engine bay with a single over the stock twins. |
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| CryoSlash |
quote:
Originally posted by Supra_devil
they are expensive, but they were damn close to 90K new, so they have dropped in price a fair bit. Once they are legal to import from Jap the price will have to drop to sell them at all, the Jap ones will be much cheaper to buy.
I would say go supra, they are less common, can be much faster, have more room to work on the engine. And i saw a single turbo mk4 at suprafest, 71mm compressor wheel, mmmmm, it was sexy. But it had a fair bit more room in the engine bay with a single over the stock twins.
the japs are cheap as it is. you can get one landed for failry cheap. 10k CDn cheap. (NA) But in 6 yeras when me and 3 other friends are going to japan and bringing back cars, im definately bringing one of these back :D. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| k but for only about 40 grand your getting a car that can easily put you into 11's for little money. I dont know any other cars with this potential that have the style of a supra and its class.. if i could find one in good shape for only 40g id buy it. id have to cash in all my RRSPs but who cares i can retire when im dead. |
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| bigmack000 |
quote:
Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
k but for only about 40 grand your getting a car that can easily put you into 11's for little money. I dont know any other cars with this potential that have the style of a supra and its class.. if i could find one in good shape for only 40g id buy it. id have to cash in all my RRSPs but who cares i can retire when im dead.
jdm sc300 way nicer stlye and coems withthe tt motor |
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| Supra_devil |
quote:
Originally posted by bigmack000
jdm sc300 way nicer stlye and coems withthe tt motor
thats the Soarer right? |
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| CryoSlash |
quote:
Originally posted by bigmack000
jdm sc300 way nicer stlye and coems withthe tt motor
it comes with the 2.5 L 1jz tt motor. not the 2jz TT in the supra. oh and try to find a stock 5spd soarer. Almost impossible. and the soarer IMO looks a tad stretched. |
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| REFLUX |
quote:
Originally posted by 2HIGH~PSI
Im debating selling the porsche and 300zx for a Mkiv Supra TT, good idea?
I didn't bother staying updated with the current conversation but as for an ON TOPIC answer to your question:
Hell no, don't sell.
You can get plenty of go from the Z and the Boxster isn't slow either but has the added benefit of being a convertible + the blingblang factor.
The Porsche will always be a Porsche (unless you're one of those 911 elitists that think a Boxster is a poor man's Porsche) but a Supra will always be a Toyota.
IMO, a respectably fast & tastefully modified Z will draw as much respect as a Supra. |
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| SilviaDrifter |
quote:
Originally posted by REFLUX
I didn't bother staying updated with the current conversation but as for an ON TOPIC answer to your question:
Hell no, don't sell.
You can get plenty of go from the Z and the Boxster isn't slow either but has the added benefit of being a convertible + the blingblang factor.
The Porsche will always be a Porsche (unless you're one of those 911 elitists that think a Boxster is a poor man's Porsche) but a Supra will always be a Toyota.
IMO, a respectably fast & tastefully modified Z will draw as much respect as a Supra.
i second that.....
its a porsche man hah |
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| 2HIGH~PSI |
| thanks everyone for your feedback, i have some serious thinking to do..i also just got an email from a good friend about a really good deal on a porsche 996TT, it is a really good deal, but its still extremely expensive, but such a beautiful car...meh we;ll see what happens:thumbup: |
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| 2HIGH~PSI |
| ooops double post :rolleyes: |
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