| superspeed |
| will this make a big difference for the 300zx na? i know i know its not worth upgrading a n/a etc but i m gonna drive till the motor dies so..ya i have seen UDP sets and just like pulleys being sold speratly lke, crank, etc... and rouhgly how much am i looking at for UDP? |
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| ~30oZ~ |
1 - Crank Pulley
1 - Alternator Pulley
1 - Waterpump Pulley
you're looking at about $425US give or take.
1 - UDP Pulley
you're looking at $210US give or take. With a 16 - 18 HP gain for the NA motor. If I had the N/A 300ZX this is one of the first things I would add in search for some HP. |
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| Inzane |
Don't waste your time on the accessory pulleys. They're not even worthwhile on the TT engine.
The crank underdrive pulley is an ok mod. Its supposedly more effective on the TT compared to than the NA though (due to differences in the stock pulleys).
Go with the Auto Specialties pulley from Import Parts Pro in Texas. Its ~$125 USD including belts, which is cheaper than the Unorthodox Racing pulley and just as good.
For an NA, the pulley is not a bad mod, especially given the price. But I'd do a POP Charger intake upgrade first (if you haven't already). I think Gord said he noticed more of a difference with a pop charger than he did with the pulley on one of his former NAs.
Just for interest sake Gord and Neil (both Z Club members) did a little test a few years back:
Gord's NA (POP + pulley) vs. Neil's NA (POP + catback),
they were dead even, with A/C off. Only with the A/C turned ON in both cars did Gord squeak ahead, but not by much. |
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| superspeed |
question about exhaust system i DO have sTOCK EXHAUST PIPing but no cat no reso(dont think i have resonator) and only mufflers which is just cheap ractive (also i did not do this last owner did, he was too cheap to repalce exhaust system so he just welded straight pipes) was wondering would i lose performance? or should i get a catback system ?
So far the only REAL MOD i have is pop charger the k&n one from stillen and thats about it lol |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by superspeed
i DO have sTOCK EXHAUST PIPing but no cat no reso(dont think i have resonator) and only mufflers which is just cheap ractive
uMM.... i'm going to guess that that SOUNDS really awful.. Am I right? |
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| superspeed |
| sounds like firecrackers exploding behind my car =) i was told i can just get resonater and muff =\ would stillens be good? and how much is it jsut for resonator and muff? |
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| ~30oZ~ |
quote:
Originally posted by superspeed
how much is it jsut for resonator and muff?
Stillen.com would be a good place to start. They have a lot of brands on their site. another you can try is 300zx.com they have a lot of brands too. |
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| superspeed |
| alright did some reserach H pipe and X pipe which would be better for performance and QUIETNESS. I have looked at pacesetters and they are roughly 300-400 but i herad they suck =\ donno which kind to get =\ |
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| ~30oZ~ |
quote:
Originally posted by superspeed
alright did some reserach H pipe and X pipe which would be better for performance and QUIETNESS. I have looked at pacesetters and they are roughly 300-400 but i herad they suck =\ donno which kind to get =\
go with the X pipe, and I think Inzane had one for sale. |
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| superspeed |
| ya his is 2 seater i m 2+2 =( dam it !!!! =( hmm i want greddy but i hate the single tip outlet i want DUAL!!! =D |
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| ~30oZ~ |
As a general rule, H pipes allow for more low-end torque and slightly less Horse Power than X pipes do. Also, the sound note is quite different. The X pipe has a raspy sound while the H pipe is more “muscle car” sounding. As mentioned, the mid-pipe choice seems to mac-ltprobe a personal sound preference and most people who use chambered mufflers opt for the H pipe, while the straight through users tend to choose the X pipe. Typically, the X pipe/straight through muffler combination yields higher HP and lower torque than the H pipe/chambered muffler design. There is a third choice which only one manufacturer creates, and that is the MAC Pro-chamber, which consists of a box for a cross over.
Are looking for the whole exhaust system or just mufflers? |
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| superspeed |
| i donno right now i have stock pipeing no cat no res and these ugly ractive crap mufflers =\ so i donon waht i shud do what would u recommend? my dad told me to get a whole cat back reso cuz its loud like a #$%^& and it sounds garbage lol |
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| ~30oZ~ |
quote:
Originally posted by superspeed
i donno right now i have stock pipeing no cat no res and these ugly ractive crap mufflers =\ so i donon waht i shud do what would u recommend? my dad told me to get a whole cat back reso cuz its loud like a #$%^& and it sounds garbage lol
hmm well you could always get a good muffler, I have great mufflers on my car and it has a nice Deep growl too it...but I do have cats...I would say in your case go with a new exhaust system if you have the money, you're going to be looking at 1200-1300 give or take a little. |
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| MixManMash |
| Don't forget, Superspeed has a 2+2 coupe. There are definetely not too many choices for a 2+2 coupe. I would do a search on twinturbo.net to see what people used and have done on a 2+2 coupe. |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by MixManMash
Don't forget, Superspeed has a 2+2 coupe. There are definetely not too many choices for a 2+2 coupe. I would do a search on twinturbo.net to see what people used and have done on a 2+2 coupe.
You big goof!! j/k
In Z32 land "coupe" generally refers to the 2-seater. And the term coupe is redundant anyways since there's no such thing as a 4-door 300ZX. Just say "2+2" and we'll know what you mean. ;) |
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| MixManMash |
Sorry... my bad.... It was too early in the morning for me and I have nasty cold on top of it. IMHO, my brain was not functioning.... It usually only starts functioning after 10 am.
By definition, doesn't the coupe terminology in general usually refer to a 2 door car with a proper trunk....
I guess the Z32 would be more of a hatch back - yes/no?
Kind of like in MX-6 / Probe land where the MX-6 is the coupe and the Probe is the hatch back. |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by MixManMash
By definition, doesn't the coupe terminology in general usually refer to a 2 door car with a proper trunk....
I guess the Z32 would be more of a hatch back - yes/no?
Yeah, if you wanna get really picky you're probably right.
Besides, "j/k" means just kidding. I was just buggin' you. :p
BTW are you and your SO coming to the Christmas shindig tonight? |
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| MixManMash |
I know....
About the Christmas shindig:
1. I don't have an SO - which means I can put more time and money into my Z!!!
2. I am gonna see how I feel later. Like I said, I have a pretty nasty cold and I wouldn't want to share it with anybody else. |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by MixManMash
I don't have an SO - which means I can put more time and money into my Z!!!
Well, you did the first thing right, like I did. You got your Z secured BEFORE you meet your future wife. :thumbup:
I always rationalized that it'd be much easier to already have the sports car and just try to KEEP it (after marriage, kids, etc.) vs. not having it and trying to GET it later.
The plan has worked for me so far! ;) |
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| MixManMash |
Yeah. Exactly. My father was trying to convince me that you can always get the car after - and I said, maybe when I am 55.... My sister's said forget it and told me to get the car now.
Great minds think alike. |
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| superspeed |
i checked out the www.edmontonzcarclub.com site and noticed we only get 10% discount at the dealership how come calgary gets 20%!?!?!? ~ just wondering
dam i really need to go to the meets to pay for my memebership |
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| MixManMash |
As far as I know, I believe all the Nissan dealers have changed their policy to 10%. I believe the executive of our club has contacted the executive of the Calgary club and their discount is also 10% only.
Lately, I have found that with the exchange rate, it is cheaper for me to buy the parts from the US even with shipping and duty. I personally have been ordering parts from Concept Z and it has been significantly more cost effective. |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by MixManMash
As far as I know, I believe all the Nissan dealers have changed their policy to 10%. I believe the executive of our club has contacted the executive of the Calgary club and their discount is also 10% only.
Correct.
It felt like all the Nissan dealers in the province banded together to conspire against us. :mad: |
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| ~30oZ~ |
| Is it really cheaper to get parts from the US than here in Edmonton?, even with the 10% off?! :eek: |
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| MixManMash |
That's what I found. I called Ericksen for the Antenna mast back in the summer and it was $90.00 + 7% gst with the 10% off.
I got it from the states for $40 US ($1 US = 1.20 CDN) = $48 CDN + $12 CDN Shipping + 6% duty
= $63.60 CDN.
That's just one example. Another example is the knock sensor:
The knock sensor + sub harness from Ericksen was $250.00 CDN +GST with the 10% off.
I got it from concept Z last month for $163.00 US + $16.00 US Shipping = $179.00 US ($1 US = $1.15 CDN)
= $205.85 CDN
+ 6% duty
= $218.20.
Plus I ordered a whole bunch of other parts and saved even more money. |
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| ~30oZ~ |
| :eek: that's awesome!...I think i'm gonna have to find out what parts I need to replace in spring and just order them from concept Z and get Ron over at Ericksen to install them...thanks for the info!:thumbup: ...I think the savings from our club should be a little higher, like 15% so we can save some coin!:thumbup: |
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| MixManMash |
| Why get Ericksen to install them? Why not install it yourself? It'll save you more on labour costs. Just learn how to do things and buy some of the tools you'll need. |
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| ~30oZ~ |
quote:
Originally posted by MixManMash
Why get Ericksen to install them? Why not install it yourself? It'll save you more on labour costs. Just learn how to do things and buy some of the tools you'll need.
I agree with you, But i don't know that much about working on cars, so I don't want to get under the hood and start to mess with things, I do change my own oil, I will Install the pop charger when I get it, but for example I had them install my new master brake cyclinder for me, because I would have no idea on how to go about that, also I'm not sure I even want too. :dunno: I guess I just don't want to mess with things I know I can't do. |
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| vorpalz |
quote:
Originally posted by MixManMash
That's what I found. I called Ericksen for the Antenna mast back in the summer and it was $90.00 + 7% gst with the 10% off.
I got it from the states for $40 US ($1 US = 1.20 CDN) = $48 CDN + $12 CDN Shipping + 6% duty
= $63.60 CDN.
That's just one example. Another example is the knock sensor:
The knock sensor + sub harness from Ericksen was $250.00 CDN +GST with the 10% off.
I got it from concept Z last month for $163.00 US + $16.00 US Shipping = $179.00 US ($1 US = $1.15 CDN)
= $205.85 CDN
+ 6% duty
= $218.20.
Plus I ordered a whole bunch of other parts and saved even more money.
Yup, and my example was my starter:
OEM Nissan from Ericksen $ 399.99 + $ 60.00 core less 10%
OEM Nissan from Concept Z $ 189.99 USD + $ 50.00 USD core
Waaaaaaay cheaper to order from Coz, even factoring in shipping and brokerage. I don't even pick up the phone for local parts anymore, even if we had a 20% discount, it still isn't worth it.
Regards, |
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| MixManMash |
quote:
Originally Posted by VorpalZ
Waaaaaaay cheaper to order from Coz, even factoring in shipping and brokerage. I don't even pick up the phone for local parts anymore, even if we had a 20% discount, it still isn't worth it.
I couldn't agree with you more. Coz is definetely the man! |
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| ~30oZ~ |
| Are there any other stores (online) you guys buy from?...I know there's conceptZ which I hear nothing but good things about. Z1 motorsports, which i don't hear that many good things about. Are there any where else you guys perfer?:dunno: |
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| joker |
Import Parts Pro I hear is pretty good, run by Kyle formerly of SGP. They have a site. Cpark off of tt.net also I cant remember the company name but he always has stuff in classifieds on tt.net. I havent bought from either but they have alot of good feedback.
I bought some wheels from Z1 and had no problems but there are too many bad experiences out there for me to recommend them. |
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| Inzane |
Yep,
Coz is good (CZP).
Kyle is good (IPP, formerly of SGP).
Charles is good (Cpark --> Powertrix).
Paul is good (Avalon ENT), although he's kept a low profile for the longest while.
Greg is good (Specialty Z).
Kuah is good (SPL Parts).
I can recommend all of them from personal experience.
I actually haven't bought anything from Avalon for at least 4 years and only really used them when I was looking for deals on Stillen products.
But I've long since evolved beyond requiring anything from Stillen's overpriced, plagerised and often poor quality product line, and don't generally recommend their parts (other than their intercoolers and sway bar kits, which are two notable exceptions). |
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| joker |
| I was waiting for you to get in there with the full list, how I missed Greg Ill never know. |
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| vorpalz |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
But I've long since evolved beyond requiring anything from Stillen's overpriced, plagerised and often poor quality product line, and don't generally recommend their parts (other than their intercoolers and sway bar kits, which are two notable exceptions).
I dunno, I kinda like my Stillen Hi-Flow intake with genuine K&N filter. Good product, reasonable price. Guess I haven't evolved yet. lol
Regards, |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by vorpalz
I dunno, I kinda like my Stillen Hi-Flow intake with genuine K&N filter. Good product, reasonable price. Guess I haven't evolved yet. lol
lol is right. did you read what I wrote?? I said "overpriced", "plagerised" (sp), "poor quality".... PICK one. Usually one of the three applies to a Stillen product (sometimes more than one). In the case of the intake, its definitely overpriced compared to the near identical JWT POP Charger. I would agree that the Stillen Hi-Flow Intake is not poor quality, but I'd never recommend it (over a JWT POP charger) to anyone based on price.
The other aspect of what I meant when I said I "evolved beyond" is I don't see myself adding any MORE Stillen products to my car in the future. As I'm sure you're aware, at this moment in time I already have quite a few Stillen items on my car, despite my contempt and disdain for the company. If I were to do it all over again, I'd probably have next to none.
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| vorpalz |
Key word is similar, K&N filter is about the difference in cost between the two.
The lower rad hose upgrade is also decent product and reasonably priced.
I don't love Stillen, but I don't condemn them either.
And yes, I can read.
Regards, |
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| MixManMash |
| wow..... somebody really doesn't like Stillen. LOL. And I don't disagree with you.... They are seriously ridiculously overpriced on almost everything. And I noticed how much of their stuff is plagerised... |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by vorpalz
Key word is similar, K&N filter is about the difference in cost between the two.
A cost differential of on average about ~$50 USD on a $100 item is significant IMO. There is no advantage to having the Stillen. But at the end of the day they both work, and you are no better or worse off either way (as long as the Stillen filter is not giving anyone the low-speed stalling problem).
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The lower rad hose upgrade is also decent product and reasonably priced.
Yes I agree. I have it, and it is fine. Again I said "often poor quality product line". I didn't say ALL Stillen's products are poor. Obviously there are exceptions. When I bought my Stillen lower rad hose kit they were the only game in town. Not so anymore. There are other options. If I was to buy one now I'd consider the chrome option (for the added bling :) ) from others, complete with silicone hose. But hey its just a piece of pipe, right.
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I don't love Stillen, but I don't condemn them either.
Condemnation is a strong word, perhaps too strong for this subject. Lets just say I don't feel the need to buy Stillen parts for the sake of them being Stillen parts. They had their day in the spotlight 9+ years ago when they may have been the only game in town. But time and progress has not been as kind to them and now for most Z32 aftermarket parts there are many many other options available, and often superior at that.
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And yes, I can read.
Just checking. Occasionally I manage to inadvertantly push one of your buttons that sends you leaping into a counter rant when it was merely a case of miscommunication. |
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| joker |
Stillen sucks. Im pretty sure there was a thread about it awhile back that pretty much covers it.
Moving on... |
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| vorpalz |
I've been playing devil's advocate here for a reason. I know Stillen's reputation on the (mostly online) Z community. Yes, they overcharge for many of their products. I would never get service work done there based on some horror stories I have read. And they definitely feel that they are God's Gift to the Z car.
However, I have personally toured the place, bought anti-sway bars there, was treated well and given a cash discount for buying on Z day. So overall, I had a good experience there.
They make some products that are as good as whats out there for a reasonable price. Coz lists the POP charger for $ 108.00 and the Stillen for $ 129.00, a $ 21.00 difference, again, about the price of a K&N filter.
I just got myself a nice set of new Stillen I/C's from a guy in Calgary for a nice cash price. So my Stillen parts count is now:
IC's
Hi-Flow intake
ASB's
Lower rad hose upgrade (no bling there ;))
Of which I don't feel I was ripped or think there is a better product I could have bought in those cases.
I just read Joker's response based on something he read on a forum somewhere, not based on any more direct experience, and I have to at least give my experience.
There, that's enough from me.
Regards, |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by vorpalz
Coz lists the POP charger for $ 108.00 and the Stillen for $ 129.00, a $ 21.00 difference.
Ok, I must be a bit out of date. I recall not too long ago Stillen's list price was more like $159 USD. They must've dropped the price. OOPS... edit.. you meant Coz's price on the Stillen is $129? Gotcha. Still, for someone today that has a stock TT and needs the intake upgrade, why would anyone pay the extra $21 USD when you don't need to?
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I just got myself a nice set of Stillen I/C's from a guy in Calgary for a nice cash price.
Congrats on the find. I'm curious why a Calgarian Z32TT owner would be selling a pair of Stillen I/C's... unless its one of those kids that thinks he's doing himself good by getting a FMIC. LOL :rolleyes: Not that you should care, you got a good deal so its your gain and his loss. :)
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So my Stillen parts count is now:
IC's
Hi-Flow intake
ASB's
Lower rad hose upgrade (no bling there ;))
Of which I don't feel I was ripped or think there is a better product I could have bought in those cases.
Here's my Stillen parts count (blush):
Oil Cooler - yeah its the cheapest *bolt-on* upgrade available, but also the smallest. Despite being reasonably priced I'm not convinced this upgrade is worth a damn. I'd recommend someone hold out for the Greddy or Nismo, or one of the other substantially larger oil coolers if they can.
Lower Rad Hose - can't complain. It does what its supposed to do, and Stillen was the first to take the idea and market it. They're not the only ones now, and there's nothing special about the Stillen kit. DO swap out the lower hose, regardless who's part you buy, its cheap insurance.
Adjustable Upper Links (aka a-arms, front camber adj) - I do not recommend these. They are expensive, and there are definitely superior designs available today, based on the Midori style. At the time I bought mine ('98) Stillen's unfortunately were the only easily obtainable ones in the North American market. They are actually overpriced JUNK. They work, but the design is flawed and they can *slip*.
Adjustable Tension Rods - I do not recommend these either!! They are very expensive, at least $100-150 USD more than competitors and have a very poor finish. Mine rusted within the first year (and my car NEVER sees winter) and looked far worse than any other OEM piece under my entire car. I've since powdercoated them as I was sick of looking at them in that condition. I only bought those Stillen t-rods back then because like the a-arms they were the only ones available at the time. Now there are countless companies that market adjustable T-rods in north america, for way less and with superior finish and/or metallurgy.
Rear Strut Tower Brace - another dubious mod. The theory of strut braces is sound, but this design is not nearly as good as the Carbing. Save your money, don't buy this one and wait until you can afford the Carbing rear strut bar (and only have to cut your interior panels once). The Stillen bar looks nice, I'll give it that. But it basically just serves as jewellery for the rear hatch, and doesn't function very well for actual chassis bracing.
Really out of those five items I have the only one I'd recommend to others is the Lower Rad Hose.
The sixth Stillen item I had was their Short Shifter, a leftover from the previous owner of my car. To buy new it is very expensive and not necessarily any better than the numerous cheaper alternatives available now. I swapped mine out and sold it to a fellow Z Club member (who STILL owes me money for it, in case you're reading this!).
Now as far as a Stillen item I don't have that I wish I had bought instead of a competitor..... is the Sway Bars. The variance in the front bushings in the Stillen kit vs. the Suspension Techniques kit makes the front bushing brackets a HELL of a lot easier to install. I wish I had bought the Stillen kit for that reason only, and to anyone who still hasn't bought a sway bar upgrade the Stillen kit is worth it even if it costs you $15-20 more. Trust me. |
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| vorpalz |
Forgot about my short shifter... bought it used for $ 125.00. Again, does what it should and I quite like it. I wouldn't buy new for CZP price of $ 270.00 USD though.
I have to agree with your suspension mod recommendations, there are many better cheaper choices out there now for adj. suspension parts.
Regards, |
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| MixManMash |
Very good information. Thanks guys.....
Please feel free to continue more so the rest of us young Padawans can get a taste of your infinite wisdom.
Umm, BTW, I was just reading on TT.net and found that the Stock Sway Bars are actually stiffer and lighter than the Stillen ones.... Hmm.... Maybe another Stillen product that isn't worth the money...
http://www.twinturbo.net/net/viewms...;msg_id=1719657
It's a pretty new post too, just today.... Any comments? |
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| vorpalz |
Well, they put a 40 # bag of sand on the end of the bar, and the TT bar didn't bend as much.
No mention of adjustability of the bar on the car or any kind of real driving test. If you want to take this as scientific, be my guest.
My Stealin' sways amplify massive power oversteer (grin)
Dat's a fact!
Regards, |
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| MixManMash |
Not taking it as science... Many more aspects to it I guess:
In fact, and I quote Technomancer on TTnet:
"The stock bar has only 1 attachment point. What I'm trying to say is that the rotational flex of the bar is not important. The important thing is that if the left wheel moves up some linear distance X, how far up does the right wheel move? That depends on both flex and attachment point.
While interesting, Kuah's test only tells part of the story."
And quote SamZTT:
"Very, very easy to prove. Take them OFF a car that had them. No placebo there, it is damn noticeable. I don't know how...if indeed this guy is right, it might be some other factor of how it bends and where it bends. I just can't believe it."
BTW, we have really moved off the subject....
Sorry for stealin' your thread SuperSpeed. |
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