| ehos |
Well, it's good to know that Alberta and the West gained a voice, however weak, after 12 years. Maybe this small victory will lead to a stronger foothold for change.
The only dissapointing thing is how many people voted Liberal considering the overwhelming evidence/facts linking them to scandal after scandal and screwup after screwup.
I couldn't understand how Bush got re-elected. I always used to think, 'Are American's stupid, can't they see the writing on the wall??'
After today, I TOTALLY understand. Good one Canada. |
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| ae1969 |
Nothing changes.......... the Bloc will control canada for the next 50 years...
They actually dictate policy. Conservatives or Liberals........they don't need to please Western Canada.
Nothing will change. |
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| 2ndgenlude |
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Originally posted by ae1969
Nothing changes.......... the Bloc will control canada for the next 50 years...
They actually dictate policy. Conservatives or Liberals........they don't need to please Western Canada.
Nothing will change.
however sad it is your right. |
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| LeadSled |
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Originally posted by ehos
I couldn't understand how Bush got re-elected. I always used to think, 'Are American's stupid, can't they see the writing on the wall??'
After today, I TOTALLY understand. Good one Canada.
I agree 100%. Look at their track record over the last few years, its just scandal after scandal... yet some people will follow them to the end of the earth. I just don't get it, maybe its all the scare mongering on Harper.
Hopefully people will see Harper can do a good job, albiet without much flare or panache. But he's no George W yes-man, or eccentric rightwinger beating up gay people and lighting the homeless on fire like the Liberals want you to believe. |
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| S2KPWR |
People are to spineless to vote for change aswell i think.
Scared of Change. |
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| crazyrx7 |
I think they should of had "Non of the above" square on the ballot. All we are doing is voting for the theif that will steal the least. I'm tired of seeing my hard earned money being pissed away by politicians just because they can.
R.K. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by ehos
Well, it's good to know that Alberta and the West gained a voice, however weak, after 12 years. Maybe this small victory will lead to a stronger foothold for change.
The only dissapointing thing is how many people voted Liberal considering the overwhelming evidence/facts linking them to scandal after scandal and screwup after screwup.
I couldn't understand how Bush got re-elected. I always used to think, 'Are American's stupid, can't they see the writing on the wall??'
After today, I TOTALLY understand. Good one Canada.
lol, so does this mean and end to western whining? Probably not, but speaking of Bush, what this reminds me of is what happened in the US after Clinton, when Bush got in. You had a hardline winger who got in by mainstreaming his campaign (remember compassionate conservatism) and then once in power went right off the deep end. The difference here though is that Harper just got a minority, which should limit any sillyness the PC wingnuts might want to get up to. :) |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
<bear in mind, politics and Social Studies are not my strong point and will never be, so feel free to laught openly if I get a few details wrong :P>
The Liberals have been linked to scandal after scandal. But most of them have already been made public. So in essense, we already know what the Liberals have done, some have forgiven, some haven't.
Now, has anyone serioulsy done some digging on Steven Harper? I'm sure he could be linked to a few things, but at the moment, he's just starting. If he or any governement is in power for as long as the Liberals were, they'd be just as crooked.
I remember listening to one of Harpers speeches, something along the lines of "If I am elected, I will insure that I initiate an extreme right wing social agenda" now, wtf does that mean?, I guess we're all about to find out but this does worry me somewhat.
I give credit to Liberals however silly that may sound to you, but if Canada was a "Right Wing" country, my family and relatives may not even be in this country. Maybe that's why I'll always be a Liberal at heart?. |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by crazyrx7
I think they should of had "Non of the above" square on the ballot. All we are doing is voting for the theif that will steal the least. I'm tired of seeing my hard earned money being pissed away by politicians just because they can.
R.K.
There is. If you check every box, it's considered a protest ballot, and it will be counted as such. The gov. doesn't really tell anyone that, but it's true. |
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| n0c7 |
quote:
Originally posted by crazyrx7
I think they should of had "Non of the above" square on the ballot. All we are doing is voting for the theif that will steal the least. I'm tired of seeing my hard earned money being pissed away by politicians just because they can.
R.K.
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by oldraven
There is. If you check every box, it's considered a protest ballot, and it will be counted as such. The gov. doesn't really tell anyone that, but it's true.
Sorry, it's counted as a spoiled ballot. I was a scrutineer.
Just like those fools that still circle thier choices and write their names on their ballots (yup and yup). All spoiled. |
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| GOT BOOST |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
Well, it's good to know that Alberta and the West gained a voice, however weak, after 12 years. Maybe this small victory will lead to a stronger foothold for change.
The only dissapointing thing is how many people voted Liberal considering the overwhelming evidence/facts linking them to scandal after scandal and screwup after screwup.
I couldn't understand how Bush got re-elected. I always used to think, 'Are American's stupid, can't they see the writing on the wall??'
After today, I TOTALLY understand. Good one Canada.
Hi Ehos,
Last nights election was an interesting one to watch. It was interesting to see how after Atlantic Canada had voted that Lloyd Robertson (sp) (I think it was him, Silver haired fellow) on CTV was saying how it was going to be a Libera gov't and implied that the rest of the voted to come in from Canada did not really have an impact on the polls. :lol:
I found it interesting that the Bloc had aquired a few seats. I think that since the Bloc wants to seperate from Canada very much the rest of Canada should be allowed to vote for them, not just Quebec. That way we could all Vote the Bloc in, they seperate and we have another election. :D :lol: Just some food for thought.
I thought the turn out would have been Conservtive Majority with NDP second, or Conservative Minority, NDP, Liberal followed by the Bloc.
Now it will be interesting to see where Canada proceeds with Mr. Haprer at the Helm.
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| Lakerfan32 |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
Well, it's good to know that Alberta and the West gained a voice, however weak, after 12 years. Maybe this small victory will lead to a stronger foothold for change.
The only dissapointing thing is how many people voted Liberal considering the overwhelming evidence/facts linking them to scandal after scandal and screwup after screwup.
I couldn't understand how Bush got re-elected. I always used to think, 'Are American's stupid, can't they see the writing on the wall??'
After today, I TOTALLY understand. Good one Canada.
I had to read your post twice. At first glance, it appeared you thought Canadians had made a poor choice in electing the Conservatives but then I realised your real meaning.
It's kind of funny actually. I liken the Conservative gov't here very much to the neo-conservatism of the United States. Every so often it appears we need to take a step backwards in terms of the social climate only to realize that's not what we really wanted. In any case, the fact that almost 64% of Canadians did not vote Conservative, I feel there is still hope for our country. ;) |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by Lakerfan32
It's kind of funny actually. I liken the Conservative gov't here very much to the neo-conservatism of the United States.
Indeed, that's why we call them neoconucks. :p |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
Hi Ehos,
Last nights election was an interesting one to watch. It was interesting to see how after Atlantic Canada had voted that Lloyd Robertson (sp) (I think it was him, Silver haired fellow) on CTV was saying how it was going to be a Libera gov't and implied that the rest of the voted to come in from Canada did not really have an impact on the polls. :lol:
That doesn't make any sense at all, since Atlantic Canada only has 32 seats in total. |
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| ehos |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
Hi Ehos,
Last nights election was an interesting one to watch.
I found it interesting that the Bloc had aquired a few seats. Now it will be interesting to see where Canada proceeds with Mr. Haprer at the Helm.
Mike Nikolai
Hi Mike,
I think it's interesting you bring up the Bloc. Poor poor bloc. They went into the election thinking they had nothing to lose, but big surprise!
The only 'losers' in the whole election was the Bloc. Conservatives really cut a huge hole in their backyard, and they should be worried. I think that was the only real 'shock' of the election.
I think Harper is a smart man to win power in Quebec the way he did. He has the West locked up tight, and he will make more ingress in BC I think. I have no idea why Atlantic Canada voted Liberal? (Newfies!) :)
That's ok, they're a little slow, they'll catch on I think. :) |
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| LeadSled |
Must have gotten worried that the Conservatives would try to ween them off pogey :omg:
Just kidding, all you Newfballs in here :D |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by LeadSled
Must have gotten worried that the Conservatives would try to ween them off pogey :omg:
Just kidding, all you Newfballs in here :D
Any Maritimer on this board is in full support of weening the fisherman off pogey. We left so we could have some self respect and a steady job.
You weren't baiting anyone there, were you Ehos? Why the need for insults? It's sad that you guys have no freakin idea what goes on the the Maritimes. You think you've got us all figured out, but in all honesty, your generalizations are way off base.
BTW, the Maritimes were around ages before Newfoundland became part of confederation (let alone Alberta). I can't tell who's teasing us, or who really doesn't know the difference. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by oldraven
BTW, the Maritimes were around ages before Newfoundland became part of confederation (let alone Alberta). I can't tell who's teasing us, or who really doesn't know the difference.
I'd go with number 2 on that one.... lol, man that's funny on so many levels. :p |
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| Bad Egg |
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Originally posted by oldraven
Any Maritimer on this board is in full support of weening the fisherman off pogey. We left so we could have some self respect and a steady job.
You weren't baiting anyone there, were you Ehos? Why the need for insults? It's sad that you guys have no freakin idea what goes on the the Maritimes. You think you've got us all figured out, but in all honesty, your generalizations are way off base.
BTW, the Maritimes were around ages before Newfoundland became part of confederation (let alone Alberta). I can't tell who's teasing us, or who really doesn't know the difference.
Most of the people who originally came from Newfoundland and the Maritimes(guess what, some of us know the difference), who I have come accross here in the west, have been solid workers and decent people all-around. Some have also told me the same thing that you just posted; Some were ashamed of the way the system is milked and did not want to be any part of it so they came here.
Nobody was insulting you from what I saw, just some light hearted banter. Most people think well of those we know from the Atlantic provinces. I know that I personally have to grow a thicker skin when you and snugs post because every second one is another shot about rednecks/whiners/sheep______/etc. When people see you guys joking about westerners they assume that you can take a joke as well.
You may want to check your stereotypes at the door if you want less of the teasing. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by Bad Egg
I know that I personally have to grow a thicker skin when you and snugs post because every second one is another shot about rednecks/whiners/sheep______/etc. When people see you guys joking about westerners they assume that you can take a joke as well.
You may want to check your stereotypes at the door if you want less of the teasing.
whutcu cypherin bowt nah me suhn? imma naht gonna havtu smahk yu wit mah cawd agin fer aktin uhp ammi? :lol: |
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| LeadSled |
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Originally posted by Bad Egg
Nobody was insulting you from what I saw, just some light hearted banter.
Not my comment, it was in pure hatred!!! :omg: :omg:
I work with guys from out east on the service rigs, cementing crews, wireline etc etc and they are always poking fun. I have heard what they think of it back home and what they think of it out here, its pretty suprising. |
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| Bad Egg |
My favorite Newfie:
Doesn't that forehead remind you of something off The Next Generation?
One of the few guys that can send me to the dictionary to find the meaning of words. Now he could teach some cypherin' to Snugs & his boyo, but I doubt if the Newfies/Capers/etc. could understand him either.
Now, snugs, back away from the cod, you know it's protected. |
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| ozzmodan |
The only problem with Harper making the inroads he did into Quebec, is the fact that Gilles Duceppe will be less likely to back conservative initiatives, becuase if the Conservatives are seen as successful the Bloc lose ever more seats.
Personally I voted Conservative mearly under the pretence that corruption or even precevied corruption by public officials should not be tolerated. Unfortunately this seems to happen to any government that views themselves as invincible, like the Liberals did back in the late 90s. I can only imagine what's happening at the provincial level with the PCs, but there is no compitent opposition to act as a check.
None of the federal parties had any serious platform for the election. Any specific questionning beyond things like education, healthcare, Veteran's affairs & trade practices, showed none of the candidates bothered to think of special interest issues.
The main thing Harper had going for him is the fact that he based his platform on things that are actually legislatable in a minority government, such as a 2% reduction in GST. So many people get stuck on giant ethical questions like abortion, gay marrage, ect. In reality most governments would never spearhead issues like this until the gap between culture & law grows too big to ignore, by that time it's usually not an issue anymore.
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by oldraven
That doesn't make any sense at all, since Atlantic Canada only has 32 seats in total.
Hi Oldraven,
I agree with you. That is why I found it to be interesting. Any party needs 155 seats to have a majority Gov't. I think the assumption was based that the east still voted Liberal for the most part, the momentum would continue for a Liberal minority gov't.
As I was watching the number roll in, at one point the liberals had a 20 seat lead on the Conservatives.
Mike Nikolai |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by ehos
Hi Mike,
I think it's interesting you bring up the Bloc. Poor poor bloc. They went into the election thinking they had nothing to lose, but big surprise!
The only 'losers' in the whole election was the Bloc. Conservatives really cut a huge hole in their backyard, and they should be worried. I think that was the only real 'shock' of the election.
I think Harper is a smart man to win power in Quebec the way he did. He has the West locked up tight, and he will make more ingress in BC I think. I have no idea why Atlantic Canada voted Liberal? (Newfies!) :)
That's ok, they're a little slow, they'll catch on I think. :)
Hi Ehos,
The bloc was a surprise. I found it interesting how the Conservatives positioned themselved in Quebec. If Quebecers did not vote for Conservative, they were encouraged to vote for the Bloc as the Conservitives will give the Bloc more of what they want. Nicely achieved! The Bloc did aquire more seats that I had thought they would.
I think Atlantic Canada voted Liberal as they normally vote Liberal. I think that it may have been a case of "must vote Liberal as I always have been" or the person representing the party in their riding they favored. At any rate it was a tough election to vote for as the Conservatives had a good platform. I think the Liberals may have won if Mr. Martin was not running for PM. I think the recent advertizing blits by the Liberals was somewhat if I dare say.....American Style Politics of smashing your oponent. I believe that may have helped sway a few votes too.
Mike Nikolai |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by GOT BOOST
I think Atlantic Canada voted Liberal as they normally vote Liberal. I think that it may have been a case of "must vote Liberal as I always have been" or the person representing the party in their riding they favored.
Mike Nikolai
I totally agree with you there. People vote out of habit, more than issues/trust/whatever. I didn't mean to imply anything else with my comments.
Martin is a smart man, he promptly moved aside after he lost because he knows that the Liberals are a dead ship with him as Captain.
I think he wanted to resign before, but that would've been disasterous. I still have to give the man respect for playing the game the best, then Harper and a good tie with Layton.
Even though Martin 'lost' he did his job as leader, he kept his party 'in the hunt.' If he was weaker, he would've resigned and it would be a Conservative Majority.
Layton did what he had to and split the votes (much to Harpers' chagrin). One day offical opposition? I think so. |
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| oldraven |
quote:
Originally posted by Bad Egg
Most of the people who originally came from Newfoundland and the Maritimes(guess what, some of us know the difference), who I have come accross here in the west, have been solid workers and decent people all-around. Some have also told me the same thing that you just posted; Some were ashamed of the way the system is milked and did not want to be any part of it so they came here.
Nobody was insulting you from what I saw, just some light hearted banter. Most people think well of those we know from the Atlantic provinces. I know that I personally have to grow a thicker skin when you and snugs post because every second one is another shot about rednecks/whiners/sheep______/etc. When people see you guys joking about westerners they assume that you can take a joke as well.
You may want to check your stereotypes at the door if you want less of the teasing.
Try again. Find me one post where I call Albertans rednecks/whiners/sheep, etc. Snugs, on the other hand loves saying it. (You know you do, man :D ) I try to keep that kind of talk to a minimum. I'll shit on Alberta drivers, but no more than any Albertan in the same thread. I actually have to dial that in too, because it's been taken as a form of superiority.
Still, I said I couldnt' tell who was joking and who was ignorant. I've come accross plenty of people out here who really don't know that a Nova Scotian isn't a Newfie. Sure, we all talk silly, but try to see the individual silliness. It's a point of great pride. It's hard to tell when you get called simple just after a comment about Atlantic Canadians voting Liberal. You assume the attitude continues on to the next scentence.
The Cod comment.............. that was funny. :thumbup:
I'll leave you with this. Newfies are from Newfoundland, Bluenosers are from Nova Scotia.................. and drunks are from Cape Breton. ;) |
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| RS13 |
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Originally posted by ehos
I have no idea why Atlantic Canada voted Liberal? (Newfies!) :)
Because the Liberal government will give more hand outs that these people survive on. |
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| Bad Egg |
I won't bother to search, raven, I'll take your word for it. I still don't see where there was any mean spirited shots - but that's from my perspective.:dunno:
It's great to be proud of your roots, it's kind of the same reason I get pissed when people make blanket assumptions about Albertans that aren't true.
So if you read me making a shot about Newfies/Brunswackers/whatevers, its all just in good clean fun. Ever since a 6 foot tall New Brunswick university graduate "lady" that lived next door to us soon after I got married drank me under the table one night(and I am over 6' >200lbs myself), I have learned not to underestimate those from the Atlantic provinces... |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by Bad Egg
So if you read me making a shot about Newfies/Brunswackers/whatevers, its all just in good clean fun.
I'll keep that in mind.
And maybe toss one of these ;) :p :D in there next time. There will be no confusion then. :) |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by oldraven
Try again. Find me one post where I call Albertans rednecks/whiners/sheep, etc. Snugs, on the other hand loves saying it. (You know you do, man :D ).
The Cod comment.............. that was funny. :thumbup:
gar..... mus be me edjukashun but ahlwaiz sehms lihk de peeple complahnin gives as gooder as dey gits iffin ya no whut ihs sayin. ;)
And the cod thing, its not funny, its a a damned lie, everybody knows there aren't any cod left. :mad: |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by snugs
And the cod thing, its not funny, its a a damned lie, everybody knows there aren't any cod left. :mad:
True. We handed what was left to the EU. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by oldraven
True. We handed what was left to the EU.
gar.... :(
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| DeathBy240 |
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Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG
I give credit to Liberals however silly that may sound to you, but if Canada was a "Right Wing" country, my family and relatives may not even be in this country. Maybe that's why I'll always be a Liberal at heart?.
Canada is NOT a right wing country. If the Liberals and NDP pulled a "unite the left" it would have been a much different election. I'm not saying that a two party system is a good thing, it just would have changed a lot.
All the tight races where the Conservatives pulled ahead would have been won by the Liberal/NDP party (assuming everyone voted the same) because the NDP wouldn' take votes from the Liberals.
Almost 50 per cent of Canadian voters voted for a left-wing party.
I'm not bitter though. :) |
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| SilverZ24 |
| ^ I personally think the Liberal's are closer to the Conservatives than they are to the NDP. |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by SilverZ24
^ I personally think the Liberal's are closer to the Conservatives than they are to the NDP.
They are. There's really not much difference between the two larger parties in Canada, other than fundamental issues. The Bloc is another very left wing party. |
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