| ehos |
My friend told me about this idea, so I'm not taking any credit, but I wanted to share it.
Every vote in a riding should be put in a barrel. One vote should be picked and whoever that person voted for would win the riding.
Check this out. EVERY vote would count, because potentially YOU alone would be determining the leader.
Second, the more votes for a candidate, the better chance to get elected.
And best of all, it would force change on the people regardless of how they feel about it. It's a bit random, but I have never met the perfect politician. Everyone has their own ideas and we need to encourage participation (who says Harper/Layton etc have all the good ideas or skills?). It truely would be a government OF the people. Not the autocracy of the majority.
Also, a byproduct would be that a consensus would form VERY quickly if someone was terrible at their job (ie instead of a 50/30/20% spread for the candidates, it would be more like 99/1% so they wouldn't get a repeat). |
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| S2KPWR |
Its basically the same thing as flipping a coin. Almost completely random.
There would be no sense in voting. They may aswell draw straws.
The BQ having a 1in4 chance of being elected? Regardless if 95% of the population is against them...
Im sorry but I would have to say I dont think your idea is a good one. |
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| oldraven |
Bah, who needed proportional representation anyway? :rolleyes:
What's the point of a vote, if only one voice counts? |
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| raidar |
I am a fan of proportional representation, but highly doubt we will see it come alive anytime soon in Canada.
I do have to say though, the barrel choice isn't close to flipping a coin or drawing straws really. Statistics tells you that.
Lets say
7000 votes in riding
6000 for party 1
1000 for party 2
Those odds are no where near the 50/50 odds that a coin toss allows..
just a thought... |
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| S2KPWR |
quote:
Originally posted by raidar
I am a fan of proportional representation, but highly doubt we will see it come alive anytime soon in Canada.
I do have to say though, the barrel choice isn't close to flipping a coin or drawing straws really. Statistics tells you that.
Lets say
7000 votes in riding
6000 for party 1
1000 for party 2
Those odds are no where near the 50/50 odds that a coin toss allows..
just a thought...
True, but if there are 1000 votes, 999 being for conservative and 1 for BQ ... There is still a chance that the 1 will be drawn. |
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| DelSoln |
| I don't like this idea either. The voting process should not be a lottery. |
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| bigmack000 |
| migth as well line up all the candidates in each riding put them behind a black curtaint hen give a guy a gun who ever is alive after wins. :p |
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| ehos |
It's a thought exercise.
It removes many of the factors that are crippling modern day politics (apathy for one, inertia the other). In one swoop you would effectively force people to vote (of their own choice).
I love exercises like this, show me another way, I'd love to listen! :)
PS I don't think 'killing' potential candidates would be a great idea, but it sure would make for some interesting tv. |
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| bigmack000 |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
It's a thought exercise.
It removes many of the factors that are crippling modern day politics (apathy for one, inertia the other). In one swoop you would effectively force people to vote (of their own choice).
I love exercises like this, show me another way, I'd love to listen! :)
PS I don't think 'killing' potential candidates would be a great idea, but it sure would make for some interesting tv.
would weed out the ones who run for their agndas and not for the publics |
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| ehos |
| Unless they were good shots. |
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| SketchifisT |
I dont agree with the barrel system at all, if you need a barrel to tell you your vote may count for something then dont go vote. Just fill the barrel with water and put your head in it. Its a democracy for a reason, if you blend everyone vote then its kind of negating the purpose.
You would have to fill 1 barrel with all the votes then pour them out into a another bigger barrel and shuffle them and after that shuffle send them into another barrel where you shuffled them there, to make it fair. Otherwise the votes counted first would be at the bottom, and so forth. Either way i dont agree with the system , but if thats what it takes for you to go out and vote, the fact that you vote could randomly get chosen from the barrel then go for it. Makes no sense to me. Like in my riding i had the communist party. So out of sheer fluke , buddy gets in, when like 2 people voted who would possibly agree with the system? In the end the barrel system has less chance of making people go out and vote, because in the end the vote is negated either way. beacuse in theory its just 1v1 in the end. Not like they are picking a huge hand ful of votes and pickin out the majority from the handful ( which imo is better i guess if your stickin with the barrel system )
No matter how i look at it, i dont agree with the statement at all, but i guess when you think logically about an illogical statement it rarely makes sense. |
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| ehos |
Oh no, not the democracy card!
What was voter turnout this year? How much popular vote did the Conservatives get?
That's democracy at work folks! 2 out of 10 people are enough to run the government.
If that's not an aburd enough example, remember when Cambell was PM? PC's recieved 2 seats, yet they had a huge popular vote. You're telling me that's representation by population?
Please. |
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| oldraven |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
Oh no, not the democracy card!
What was voter turnout this year? How much popular vote did the Conservatives get?
That's democracy at work folks! 2 out of 10 people are enough to run the government.
If that's not an aburd enough example, remember when Cambell was PM? PC's recieved 2 seats, yet they had a huge popular vote. You're telling me that's representation by population?
Please.
The system isn't perfect. I don't think anyone is arguing that. But lotto voting? You're last paragraph complains that there isn't enough proportional representation. I'm confused. |
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| snugs |
"It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. " - Douglas Adams
So you see the whole thing is actually screwed up before it even gets going. :D |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by snugs
"It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. " - Douglas Adams
So you see the whole thing is actually screwed up before it even gets going. :D
:)
Good quote! |
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| ChromeDragon |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
Oh no, not the democracy card!
What was voter turnout this year? How much popular vote did the Conservatives get?
That's democracy at work folks! 2 out of 10 people are enough to run the government.
If that's not an aburd enough example, remember when Cambell was PM? PC's recieved 2 seats, yet they had a huge popular vote. You're telling me that's representation by population?
Please.
Do you even understand what representation by population is?
If people in our country understood what the hell representation by population is there isn't a doubt in my mind that we would be able to bring it in. Better representation for our votes no matter where we are in the country should be reason enough.
http://www.fairvotecanada.org/ |
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